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A85387 Cata-baptism: or new baptism, waxing old, and ready to vanish away. In two parts. The former containes LVIII. considerations, (with their respective proofs, and consectaries) pregnant for the healing of the common scruples touching the subject of baptism, and manner of baptizing. The latter, contains an answer to a discours against infant-baptism, published not long since by W.A. under the title of, Some baptismall abuses brielfy discovered, &c. In both, sundry things, not formerly insisted on, are discovered and discussed. / By J.G. a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1655 (1655) Wing G1155; Thomason E849_1; ESTC R207377 373,602 521

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demonstrate_v pag_n 24_o 25_o 26_o 27._o of_o my_o discourse_n entitle_v water-dipping_a etc._n etc._n consectary_n if_o baptism_n be_v not_o ordain_v by_o god_n for_o itself_o or_o for_o the_o bare_a letter_n sake_n of_o it_o but_o for_o end_n and_o purpose_n spiritual_o beneficial_a unto_o man_n then_o can_v the_o receive_n of_o it_o afterward_o be_v any_o way_n commodious_a unto_o they_o who_o by_o mean_n of_o their_o infant-baptism_n or_o otherways_o be_v actual_o possess_v of_o these_o end_n nor_o do_v god_n require_v a_o subjection_n unto_o it_o of_o such_o man_n the_o second_o part._n be_v a_o modest_a examination_n of_o mr._n william_n allen_n argument_n pretend_v clear_o to_o prove_v as_o himself_o express_v it_o the_o invalidity_n of_o the_o administration_n of_o baptism_n to_o infant_n sect._n 1_o i_o trust_v that_o mr._n a._n notwithstanding_o the_o great_a disservice_n he_o have_v do_v i_o presume_v not_o out_o of_o a_o worse_a conscience_n then_o what_o want_v of_o light_n in_o the_o particular_a render_v it_o unto_o god_n in_o the_o affair_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o the_o gospel_n by_o publish_v his_o baptismal_a abuse_n have_v yet_o so_o much_o interest_n in_o he_o as_o to_o be_v hear_v by_o he_o in_o that_o christian_a and_o worthy_a petition_n in_o the_o close_a of_o his_o premonition_n viz._n that_o god_n will_v give_v unto_o his_o reader_n so_o much_o light_n as_o to_o discern_v that_o which_o be_v of_o he_o from_o that_o which_o be_v but_o of_o man_n nor_o be_o i_o without_o all_o hope_n but_o that_o this_o prayer_n of_o his_o will_n unto_o many_o of_o his_o reader_n turn_v to_o a_o sovereign_a antidote_n against_o the_o danger_n and_o infection_n of_o his_o follow_a discourse_n for_o if_o god_n shall_v vouchsafe_v so_o much_o light_n unto_o any_o man_n as_o to_o d●scern_v that_o which_o be_v of_o god_n in_o this_o piece_n from_o that_o w●ich_a be_v but_o of_o man_n there_o be_v not_o much_o fear_n that_o his_o judgement_n will_v be_v overrule_v by_o the_o argument_n to_o espouse_v the_o conclusion_n commend_v by_o they_o it_o be_v a_o say_n too_o hard_o for_o my_o spirit_n nor_o of_o any_o good_a comportment_n with_o my_o respect_n to_o the_o author_n yet_o be_v it_o the_o say_n of_o a_o judicious_a and_o sober_a christian_a both_o in_o my_o hear_n and_o in_o the_o hear_n of_o some_o other_o that_o they_o never_o meet_v with_o so_o many_o scripture_n within_o so_o narrow_a a_o compass_n more_o abuse_v than_o those_o levy_v by_o mr._n a._n to_o fight_v the_o battle_n of_o that_o cause_n which_o he_o labour_v to_o assert_v in_o his_o book_n but_o though_o i_o can_v with_o confidence_n rise_v up_o to_o the_o height_n of_o such_o a_o say_n or_o censure_n yet_o very_o possible_o they_o who_o speak_v the_o word_n may_v speak_v they_o with_o truth_n sect._n 2._o he_o enter_v his_o discourse_n with_o this_o observation_n that_o that_o which_o bo●h_n busy_v the_o mind_n and_o take_v up_o much_o time_n among_o the_o servant_n of_o god_n in_o debate_n be_v that_o question_n about_o baptism_n viz._n which_o administration_n be_v most_o agreeable_a to_o the_o mind_n of_o god_n whether_o that_o which_o be_v make_v to_o infant_n or_o whether_o that_o which_o not_o make_v but_o unto_o person_n who_o either_o indeed_o believe_v the_o gospel_n or_o make_v profession_n so_o to_o do_v i_o confess_v that_o the_o business_n of_o baptism_n do_v indeed_o much_o if_o not_o much_o too_o much_o busy_a the_o mind_n of_o many_o in_o these_o day_n as_o circumcision_n also_o do_v the_o mind_n of_o many_o of_o old_a but_o as_o the_o great_a apostle_n paul_n though_o circumcise_v himself_o according_a to_o the_o law_n of_o god_n yea_o and_o upon_o occasion_n a_o administrer_fw-fr of_o it_o unto_o other_o yet_o severe_o rebuke_v yea_o and_o wish_v the_o cut_n off_o of_o those_o that_o stickle_v for_o the_o practice_n
affirm_v in_o the_o case_n unto_o all_o that_o shall_v have_v oppose_v or_o question_v he_o about_o it_o origen_n likewise_o who_o live_v about_o 200_o year_n near_o to_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n than_o austin_n and_o not_o much_o above_o a_o 100_o year_n after_o the_o death_n of_o the_o apostle_n john_n and_o consequent_o be_v a_o very_a learned_a industrious_a and_o inquire_a man_n can_v not_o but_o know_v what_o be_v do_v in_o a_o business_n of_o that_o public_a nature_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n this_o author_n i_o say_v express_o affirm_v that_o the_o church_n from_z the_o apostle_n have_v receive_v a_o tradition_n or_o practice_n to_o administer_v baptism_n even_o unto_o little_a one_o etc._n one_o pro_fw-la hoc_fw-la &_o eccl_n siam_fw-it ab_fw-la apostolis_n traditionem_fw-la suscepit_fw-la etiam_fw-la parvulis_fw-la baptismum_fw-la dare_v sciebant_fw-la enim_fw-la illi_fw-la etc._n etc._n origen_n ad_fw-la rom._n c._n 6._o v._n 5_o 6_o etc._n etc._n yea_o and_o subjoin_v a_o reason_n which_o as_o he_o conceive_v induce_v the_o apostle_n to_o this_o practice_n however_o this_o author_n be_v not_o so_o sound_a in_o many_o point_n of_o doctrine_n as_o some_o other_o of_o the_o father_n although_o there_o be_v none_o of_o they_o who_o do_v not_o now_o and_o then_o step_v beside_o the_o way_n of_o truth_n as_o neither_o be_v there_o any_o among_o those_o themselves_o who_o be_v the_o severe_a observer_n of_o their_o error_n but_o be_v obnoxious_a also_o in_o the_o same_o kind_n yet_o as_o to_o matter_n of_o fact_n i_o suppose_v he_o as_o competent_a a_o witness_n as_o the_o law_n of_o god_n late_o mention_v intend_v he_o that_o desire_v to_o see_v more_o of_o the_o sense_n of_o antiquity_n about_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n may_v consult_v the_o write_n of_o dr._n holms_n and_o mr._n stephen_n marshal_n and_o especial_o mr._n richard_n baxter_n against_o mr._n tomb_n the_o first_o in_o his_o animadversion_n upon_o mr._n tomb_n his_o exercitation_n etc._n etc._n c._n 13._o p._n 107._o etc._n etc._n the_o second_o in_o his_o defence_n of_o infant-baptism_n in_o answer_n to_o two_o treatise_n etc._n etc._n beginning_n pag._n 7._o to_o the_o end_n of_o pag._n 61._o the_o three_o and_o last_o in_o his_o plain_a scripture_n proof_n of_o infant_n church-member-ship_n and_o baptism_n part._n 2._o cap._n 15._o pag._n 152_o 153_o 154_o etc._n etc._n see_v also_o pag._n 262_o 263_o etc._n etc._n and_o pag._n 374_o 375._o to_o which_o he_o may_v please_v to_o add_v a_o short_a treatise_n entitle_v infant-baptism_n publish_v some_o year_n since_o by_o mr._n robert_n ram_n minister_n of_o spalding_n in_o lincolnshire_n in_o this_o treatise_n the_o reader_n among_o other_o thing_n shall_v find_v a_o breviate_v draw_v out_o of_o the_o century_n of_o the_o divine_n of_o magdeburgh_n point_v at_o such_o passage_n in_o the_o say_a century_n wherein_o the_o continue_a practice_n of_o infant-baptism_n for_o 1300_o year_n together_o from_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v demonstrate_v from_o history_n and_o author_n of_o best_a account_n in_o the_o two_o former_a beside_o many_o pregnant_a testimony_n from_o the_o most_o ancient_a writer_n evince_v the_o descent_n of_o infant-baptism_n from_o the_o apostle_n he_o shall_v find_v both_o the_o authentiquenesse_n of_o the_o author_n from_o whence_o the_o say_v testimony_n be_v cite_v full_o vindicate_v against_o those_o pretence_n which_o be_v levy_v by_o antipoedobaptists_a against_o their_o authority_n respective_o as_o also_o such_o colourable_a argument_n substantial_o answer_v which_o be_v by_o these_o man_n draw_v by_o head_n and_o shoulder_n from_o antiquity_n so_o that_o nothing_o needs_o to_o be_v add_v upon_o any_o of_o these_o account_n beyond_o what_o have_v be_v do_v late_o by_o other_o and_o be_v i_o presume_v of_o ready_a procurement_n by_o any_o that_o be_v desirous_a of_o satisfaction_n in_o any_o of_o the_o particular_n sect._n 27._o to_o the_o testimony_n and_o authority_n of_o ancient_a writer_n who_o be_v one_o and_o all_o in_o assert_v the_o lineal_a descent_n of_o infant-baptism_n from_o the_o apostle_n i_o shall_v only_o subjoin_v the_o sense_n and_o judgement_n in_o the_o case_n of_o that_o learned_a and_o worthy_a martyr_n in_o queen_n mary_n day_n mr._n john_n philpot_n in_o a_o letter_n write_v to_o a_o fellow_n prisoner_n of_o he_o at_o the_o same_o time_n in_o newgate_n record_v in_o the_o book_n of_o martyr_n vol._n 3._o pag._n 606._o of_o the_o last_o edition_n a._n 1555._o together_o with_o a_o testimony_n from_o robert_n l._n brook_n cite_v by_o mr._n tomb_n for_o antipoedobaptism_n in_o which_o respect_n i_o conceive_v his_o testimony_n will_v be_v the_o more_o passable_a with_o mr._n a._n and_o man_n of_o his_o judgement_n but_o first_o in_o one_o place_n the_o martyr_n say_v now_o will_v i_o prove_v with_o manifest_a argument_n that_o child_n ought_v to_o be_v baptize_v and_o that_o the_o apostle_n of_o christ_n do_v baptise_v child_n in_o another_o since_o the_o apostle_n be_v the_o preacher_n of_o the_o word_n and_o the_o very_a faithful_a servant_n of_o jesus_n etc._n etc._n who_o may_v hereafter_o doubt_v that_o they_o baptise_a infant_n since_o baptism_n be_v in_o place_n of_o circumcision_n in_o a_o three_o therefore_o we_o may_v conclude_v that_o the_o apostle_n do_v baptise_v infant_n or_o child_n and_o not_o only_a man_n of_o lawful_a age_n more_o of_o like_a import_n may_v be_v cite_v from_o this_o letter_n if_o it_o be_v needful_a so_o that_o unless_o mr._n a._n or_o man_n of_o his_o mind_n can_v produce_v some_o negative_a testimony_n or_o witness_v from_o the_o scripture_n which_o do_v as_o express_o deny_v the_o baptise_v of_o child_n by_o the_o apostle_n as_o these_o late_o produce_v by_o i_o and_o many_o more_o in_o far_o great_a number_n produce_v by_o other_o do_v affirm_v it_o the_o affirmative_a be_v to_o be_v take_v for_o truth_n and_o this_o by_o the_o express_a law_n of_o god_n mention_v which_o say_v that_o in_o the_o mouth_n of_o two_o or_o three_o witness_n every_o word_n shall_v be_v establish_v this_o law_n be_v make_v by_o god_n to_o over-rule_v and_o issue_v case_n and_o question_n of_o life_n and_o death_n and_o consequent_o of_o far_o great_a import_n then_o whether_o child_n be_v baptize_v or_o no_o by_o the_o apostle_n second_o for_o the_o l._n brook_n his_o word_n towards_o the_o end_n of_o his_o book_n concern_v episcopacy_n be_v these_o first_o for_o aught_o i_o can_v ever_o learn_v it_o be_v the_o constant_a custom_n of_o the_o pure_a and_o most_o primitive_a church_n to_o baptise_v infant_n of_o believe_a parent_n for_o i_o can_v never_o find_v the_o beginning_n and_o first_o rise_v of_o this_o practice_n whereas_o it_o be_v very_a easi●_n to_o tract_n heresy_n to_o their_o first_o rise_v up_o and_o set_v foot_n into_o the_o church_n again_o i_o find_v all_o church_n even_o the_o most_o strict_a have_v general_o be_v of_o this_o judgement_n and_o practice_n yea_o though_o th●re_o h●ve_v be_v in_o all_o age_n som●_n that_o much_o affect_a novel●y_n and_o have_v part_n enough_o to_o discuss_v and_o clear_v what_o they_o think_v good_a to_o preach_v yet_o be_v this_o scarce_o ●ver_o question_v by_o man_n of_o note_n till_o within_o these_o last_o age_n and_o sure_o the_o constant_a judgement_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v much_o to_o be_v honour_v and_o hear_v in_o all_o thing_n that_o contradict_v not_o scripture_n it_o may_v be_v mr._n a._n will_v object_v that_o the_o witness_n intend_v by_o god_n in_o his_o law_n be_v only_o such_o who_o can_v speak_v to_o the_o case_n in_o question_n upon_o their_o own_o knowledge_n as_o have_v be_v either_o eye-witness_n or_o ear-witness_n themselves_o of_o what_o they_o testify_v not_o such_o who_o testify_v upon_o the_o credit_n or_o assertion_n of_o other_o to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o justin_n martyr_n ireneus_fw-la origen_n cyprian_n augustine_n with_o many_o other_o studious_a and_o learned_a man_n about_o their_o time_n all_o thing_n consider_v have_v as_o considerable_a as_o unquestionable_a ground_n for_o what_o they_o testify_v concern_v the_o practice_n of_o infant-baptism_n by_o the_o apostle_n as_o a_o witness_n who_o speak_v or_o give_v evidence_n upon_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o eye_n can_v reasonable_o be_v suppose_v to_o have_v for_o such_o his_o testimony_n for_o as_o it_o be_v possible_a for_o a_o man_n to_o have_v a_o mist_n cast_v before_o his_o eye_n or_o to_o suffer_v such_o a_o deceptio_fw-la visûs_fw-la a_o deception_n of_o his_o signt_n that_o may_v occasion_v he_o to_o believe_v with_o confidence_n that_o he_o see_v such_o or_o such_o a_o thing_n which_o indeed_o he_o see_v not_o yet_o this_o possibility_n disableth_a no_o man_n testimony_n who_o give_v evidence_n upon_o the_o authority_n of_o his_o eye_n in_o like_a manner_n there_o be_v no_o more_o than_o a_o bare_a
this_o to_o prove_v that_o therefore_o his_o intent_n be_v to_o set_v forth_o the_o power_n and_o great_a success_n of_o the_o gospel_n in_o these_o word_n they_o be_v baptise_v man_n and_o woman_n consider_v as_o have_v be_v late_o observe_v and_o prove_v viz._n §_o 35_o and_o 36._o that_o in_o this_o verse_n he_o speak_v of_o the_o believe_a of_o man_n and_o woman_n as_o well_o as_o of_o their_o be_v baptize_v and_o that_o if_o there_o be_v any_o thing_n intend_v here_o to_o set_v forth_o the_o power_n and_o great_a success_n of_o the_o gospel_n it_o be_v project_v rather_o by_o the_o mention_n of_o their_o believe_a philip_n preach_v the_o thing_n of_o god_n and_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n christ_n then_o by_o the_o mention_n of_o their_o baptism_n in_o as_o much_o as_o the_o evangelist_n have_v frequent_a occasion_n elsewhere_o in_o this_o book_n to_o report_v the_o great_a success_n of_o the_o gospel_n still_o upon_o this_o account_n mention_v only_o the_o faith_n of_o those_o who_o be_v convert_v by_o it_o and_o not_o their_o baptism_n beside_o mr._n a_n supposal_n the_o ground_n of_o this_o vein_n of_o his_o discourse_n viz._n that_o luke_n speak_v of_o the_o same_o generality_n of_o the_o people_n ver_fw-la 12._o of_o which_o he_o have_v speak_v ver_fw-la 10_o 11_o where_o it_o be_v thus_o express_v to_o who_o they_o all_o give_v heed_n from_o the_o least_o to_o the_o great_a be_v not_o so_o authentic_a or_o clear_a for_o it_o be_v hardly_o credible_a that_o among_o the_o great_a number_n of_o the_o inhabitant_n of_o such_o a_o city_n as_o samaria_n there_o shall_v not_o be_v find_v so_o much_o as_o one_o unbeliever_n leave_v upon_o the_o preach_n of_o one_o sermon_n only_o certain_a i_o be_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o instance_n produce_v from_o the_o scripture_n of_o like_a nature_n or_o import_v nor_o be_v it_o say_v v._n 12._o either_o that_o they_o believe_v philip_n or_o be_v baptize_v from_o the_o great_a to_o the_o least_o or_o if_o by_o this_o expression_n mr._n a._n understand_v simple_o and_o absolute_o the_o generality_n of_o the_o inhabitant_n of_o samaria_n do_v it_o not_o follow_v from_o his_o say_a supposition_n that_o as_o well_o child_n as_o man_n and_o woman_n be_v here_o baptize_v unless_o he_o will_v either_o understand_v this_o expression_n from_o the_o least_o unto_o the_o great_a exclusive_o or_o else_o say_v that_o child_n be_v not_o to_o be_v number_v either_o among_o the_o least_o or_o the_o great_a nor_o yet_o among_o those_o that_o be_v between_o both_o but_o for_o a_o close_a of_o the_o point_n now_o in_o hand_n to_o give_v mr._n a._n a_o brief_a account_n of_o his_o man_n and_o woman_n with_o who_o he_o have_v have_v so_o much_o to_o do_v to_o so_o little_a purpose_n for_o his_o cause_n the_o reason_n why_o the_o evangelist_n luke_n have_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o verse_n mention_v the_o believe_a of_o the_o samaritan_n without_o distinguish_v the_o different_a sex_n of_o those_o who_o 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