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A69202	Generall demands concerning the late covenant propounded by the ministers and professors of divinitie in Aberdene, to some reverend brethren, who came thither to recommend the late covenant to them, and to those who are committed to their charge. Together with the answers of those reverend brethren to the said demands. As also the replyes of the foresaid ministers and professors to their answers.	Henderson, Alexander, 1583?-1646.; Forbes, John, 1593-1648.; Hamilton, James Hamilton, Duke of, 1606-1649.	1638 (1638)	STC 66; ESTC S100396	26,442	56

are also abjured in this your late Covenant The first proposition is evident For in your late Covenant speaking of the oath contained in that old Covenant which was made Anno 1581. you professe That the present and succeeding generations in this land are bound to keep the foresaid nationall oath as you call it and subscription unviolable The second proposition also cannot be denied by you For these twenty years by-past you have accused those who conformed themselves to the ordinances of Pearth of perjurie and that because they had violated the oath made Anno 1581. in the which those articles as you alledge were abjured But perhaps you will say to us That we think those things not to be abjured in that oath made Anno 1581. and therefore we may swear and subscribe your late Covenant and notwithstanding of our oath and subscription be tied only to the forbearance of the practice of Pearth articles for a time We answer first The words of an oath should be clear and plain or if they be any wayes ambiguous the true sense of them should be so declared and manifested that all may know it 2 An oath is to be given according to the minde and judgement of him that requireth it And therefore seeing you who require this oath of us think the rites or ceremonies concluded at Pearth to be abjured in that oath made Anno 1581. how can we swear and subscribe your Covenant which reneweth the foresaid oath and bindeth us to it 3 If we should swear and subscribe the negative confession as it is included in your covenant then ye who think the articles of Pearth to be abjured and condemned in the negative confession will think us tied by our own personall oath to condemn the articles of Pearth 4 Seeing this covenant was penned by you who have hitherto not conformed your selves to Pearth assembly and have opposed Episcopacie and seeing you all condemn Episcopacie as if it were that popish or wicked Hierarchie mentioned in the negative confession as also esteem the things concluded in Pearth assembly to be idolatrous or superstitious how can we think that you in your solemn vow made to God for reformation of this Church and resisting in times to come the novations and corruptions of it have passed by these things which are the only novations already introduced by authority and from which as you affirm the Church hath so great need to be purged chiefly seeing ye think them as popish superstitious and idolatrous as ye do these other novations which are not as yet introduced 5 If in all your supplications plaints and protestations ye have only sought the removing and discharging of the Service book Book of canons and the new high commission not complaining of any other novations and seeing his Majestie hath discharged the first two and hath promised to rectifie the third or last of them Then what reason have ye to think that his Majestie hath not satisfied your supplications For all the novations upon which you complained are removed by his Majestie and ye have his princely promise That no further shall be urged upon us but by such a fair and legall way as may satisfie all his subjects 6 As for that which your Covenant by your own confession requireth of us to wit The forbearance and abstinence for a time from the practising the articles of Pearth We professe sincerely and in the sight of God That our c●nscience will not suffer us to subscribe that part of your Covenant and that because laws being standing for them and our lawfull superiours requiring obedience from us by practising them to swear forbearance of the practise of them is to swear disobedience and to wrong their authority 7 How can we with a good Conscience abstaine presently from private baptisme and private communion being required thereunto by sick persons and those parents whose children cannot be carried to the Church commodiously with their lives seeing we think it a thing very unlawfull in such cases to refuse to administrate those Sacraments in private houses Not that we think that God hath tyed himself or his grace to the Sacraments but because he hath tyed us unto them by his precept and not to use the means appointed by God when our people or their children stand in need of them is a contempt of the means and a tempting of God THE V. DEMAND WHether or no we can sincerely and with a good conscience subscribe the negative confession as it is expounded and interpreted by the contrivers or authors of the late Covenant seeing it maketh a perpetuall law concerning the externall rites of the Church which God hath not made as if these rites were unchangeable And how they who both swear the positive confession and the negative thus interpreted can eschew contradiction seeing the positive confession Chap. 21. evidently declareth That these rites are changeable according to the exigencie of time and consequently that no perpetuall law may or ought to be made concerning them Likewise we would know how it can stand with truth to abjure all these rites as Popish which are used in the Church without divine institution expressed in Gods word seeing even these who urge the Covenant practise some ceremonies which are not mentioned in Gods word as the celebration of marriage before the Church in the beginning or at the end of divine service with all the particulars of it and the stipulation of Fathers and God-fathers for the childe in baptisme which are not meer circumstances as they use to distinguish but also ceremonies properly so called ANSWER THe late Covenant maketh not a perpetuall law concerning the externall rites of the kirke as if they were unchangeable but as we have said before onely bindeth us for a time to forbear the practise of innovations already introduced and doth not determine whether they ought to be changed or not 2. According to this true interpretation all appearance of contradiction betwixt the confession of faith insert in the act of Parliament and the latter confession is removed beside that the article 21. of the confession of faith giveth power to the Kirke in matters of externall policie and order of the worship of God is expounded in the first booke of Discipline distinguishing between things necessary to be observed in every Kirke and things variable in particular congregations 3. We declare again That the Covenant doth not abjure Pearth articles as Popish and thinketh not time now to dispute of significant ceremonies or other holy rites and whether the two particulars named be ceremonies or not since the confession condescended upon on both sides abjureth rites which are added without the word of God REPLY FIrst VVe have already told you That we cannot subscribe your oath of forbearance of the practise of the articles already introduced without violation of authority and of wronging our own consciences who think private baptisme and communion not to be indifferent but also necessary in

taken and that it should be so taken we are readie to demonstrate Neither can we swear it in any other sense 2 Whether your promise of mutuall defence In the same cause of maintaining the true Religion and his Majesties authoritie c. ought to be understood of the maintaining the Kings authoritie absolutely that is Whether he maintain the true Religion or no Or on the contrarie If it ought to be understood of the maintaining the Kings authoritie conditionally in so far as he maintaineth the true Religion and not any other wayes If you say that it is to be understood the first way we assent to that part of your Covenant and have no more scruple anent it except that one which we mentioned in our Reply to your second Answer to wit That the words of your Protestation seem to import more and that your Paction or Covenant is made without the Kings privitie and consent If ye say that it is to be understood the second way then we continue urging our foresaid Demand to wit How a man can maintain the Kings authoritie and withall maintain the meanest of his subjects in resisting his Authoritie And how we can be said to stand for the Kings honour when we vow and promise do to that which he himself professeth to be against his Honour and which in the common judgement of men is thought to be so The determination of this point is more than necessarie at this time and therefore let us in sinceritie and brotherly love confer of it that the consciences of others who doubt of this may receive satisfaction THE X. DEMAND WHether or no we ought to swear to such a Covenant which taketh away from us all hope of a free assembly or Parliament to judge of the matter presently debated For how can these vote freely of any matter propounded to the decision and deliberation of the Church and Estate who have already sworn to adhere to one part of the question and how can those who dissent from them submit themselves to their judgement chiefly seeing they are possessours and have laws Civill and Ecclesiastick standing as yet for them ANSWER WE perceive that this tenth Demand is made of the articles of Pearth therefore we answer as before That we promise only forbearance which can prejudge no mans liberty in a generall assembly REPLY WE have shown That your Covenant and Oath importeth a manifest abjuration of the articles of Pearth and therefore the swearing of it doth manifestly prejudge the liberty of voting in a nationall assembly For how can they freely either reason in an assembly concerning Episcopacie and the articles of Pearth or else give their judgement without prejudice concerning them who have alreadie promised sworn and vowed first To adhere to the discipline of the Kirke that is according to your interpretation to the whole externall policie of the Church as it was 1581. 2 To labour by all means lawfull to remove and expell all those rites and ordinances which have come into the Church since the foresaid year of God that the Church may be restored to the liberty and purity which it then had Whereby ye declare That the foresaid articles and Episcopacie are contrary to the liberty and purity of the Church and consequently ye are tied by your oath to vote against them if ye be called to the intended assembly THE XI DEMAND WHether our subscribing together with our people to the confession of this nation which is ratified and registrated in Parliament Anno 1567. may give full satisfaction to all who doubt of the sincerity of our profession if so be they have no farther ayme but only to know and see our willingnesse and constant resolution to adhere to the religion presently professed and to oppose all errours contrary to it to our lives end Now seeing we are willing to do this as we take God to witnesse we are how are we hated maligned and traduced as enemies of the truth only because our consciences do not suffer us to subscribe to that interpretation of the negative confession insert in the Covenant concerning which we can see no warrant of the truth of it nor lawfull authority binding us to it and to the politick or rather military part of that Covenant which is a thing without the compasse of our calling and not belonging to that contending for the faith once delivered to the saints of which S. Iude speaketh in his epistle ANSWER SInce no other mean could be found so effectuall for holding out of Poperie and forbearing of dangerous novations in religion such as the Service book and Canons which as yet are only discharged till in a fair and legall way they may be introduced and are by no word of the late Proclamation disallowed although the Service book by the Proclamation February 19. be highly praised as serving to edification and to beat out all superstition and nothing in this application is abjured but what was abjured in the former why shall we forbear to use a mean so just and so powerfull for the preservation of the purity of religion REPLY HEre ye do not particularly answer to our Demand and seem unwilling to give that testimonie of us your brethren concerning our sincerity in professing of the Truth which all who know and judge unpartially of us do think to be due to us It is sufficiently known what pains we take in disputing and writing against Papists in confuting their errours in our pulpits in leading processe against them according to the order of the Church and in doing all things against Romish errours which can be expected from the most zealous Professours of the Truth If ye or any other of our reverent brethren doubt of the sinceritie of our profession then pose us concerning any Article controverted and we shall be most ready to declare our minde concerning it before all men and give a sufficient proof to the world that we have pried as narrowly into the mysteries of Romish errours for refutation of them as any of those who impiously and uncharitably traduce us as favourers of Poperie 2. We have other means more effectuall and lawfull whereas we think this your mean to be unlawfull for holding out of Poperie and in which we ought to confide more than in all the promises and vows of men yea also more than in all the united forces of all the subjects of this land to wit Diligent preaching and teaching of the word frequent prayer to God humbling of our selves before him amendement of our lives and conversations and arming our selves against our adversaries by diligent searching of the Scriptures and using all other means whereby we may increase in the knowledge of the truth and in ability to defend it against the enemies of it 3. The subjects of this Kingdome at least a great part of them either by their own inclination or by the perswasion of others have such a hard conceit of the Service book and Canons that if

thing of that nature but by such a fair and legall way as shall satisfie all his subjects And thence we do collect that which we affirmed before to wit That there is no such extraordinary or extreme case as might give occasion to subjects to make such a band as is directly forbidden by the foresaid act of parliament and to contraveen it in such a manner as may seeme to import a resisting of Authority by force of armes THE IIII. DEMAND COncerning that interpretation of the negative confession which is urged upon us and wherein the articles of Pearth and Episcopacie are declared to be abjured as well as all the points of Poperie which are therein expresly and distinctly mentioned Quaeritur Who are the interpreters of that confession that is Whether all the subscribers or only those Ministers conveened in Edinburgh in the end of February who set it down If all the subscribers then what reason have we to receive an interpretation of that confession from la●cks ignorant people and children If only those Ministers conveened then in Edinburgh then seeing no man should take an honour to himself but he who is called of God as Aaron Heb. 5.4 what power and authority had they over their brethren to give out a judiciall interpretation of these articles of faith and to inforce their interpretation of these articles upon them ANSWER THe subscribers are here mis-interpreted in two points very materiall One is that they presume upon power or authority which they have to give out a judicial interpretation of the articles of the confession and to enforce the same upon others whereas they only intended to make known their own meaning according to the minde of our Reformers and in charity to propound and recommend the same to others who might be made willing to embrace it Although it be true also that very great numbers of Ministers were conveened and testified their consent as that time And although the private judgment of those who are called laicks ought not to be mis-regarded For it is confessed That an interpretation which is private ratione personae may be more than private ratione medii The other which being observed will answer diverse of the following demands That the articles of Pearth and of Episcopall government are declared to be abjured as points of Poperie or as Popish novations where as the words of the Covenant put a difference betwixt two sorts of novations one is of such as are already introduced in the worship of God and concerning those whatsoever be the judgement of the subscribers which to every one is left free by the words of the Covenant they are onely bound to forbear the practise of them by reason of the present exigence of the Kirk till they be tried and allowed in a free Generall assembly The other sort is of such novations as are particularly supplicated against and complained upon as the Service book and Canons c. which are abjured as containing points of Poperie And this we avouch from our certain knowledge to be the true meaning of the controverted words of the Covenant And therefore humbly intreat That no man any more upon this scruple with-hold his testimony REPLY AS for the first of these two mistakings If you have not given out that interpretation of the negative confession judicially but only have made known your own meaning according to the minde of the Reformers as you alledge then first your interpretation hath no obligatory power over others and consequently you ought not to obtrude your interpretation upon us more then we doe our interpretation thereof upon you Neither ought any man to be molested or threatned for not receiving your interpretation chiefly seeing all who are of your confederation have so solemnly vowed and promised to be good examples to others of all godlinesse sobernesse and righteousnesse and of every duety which you owe to God and man Secondly As for the minde or judgement of our Reformers we know no evidence of it having publick authority to oblige the subjects of this Kingdome except that which is expressed in our nationall confession of faith ratified in Parliament twenty years before the negative confession was penned wherein we finde no warrant or ground of such interpretation as you bring Thirdly The interpretation of the negative confession set down in your covenant as it is not publick ratione personae so also not ratione medii for it hath no warrant for ought we could ever perceive either from the word of God or from the testimony of the ancient Church or from the consent of other reformed Churches or from our nationall confession registrated in Parliament As for the second mistaking or mis-interpretation of the words of the late covenant first we marvell that a generall Covenant appointed to be subscribed by all learned and unlearned should have been set down by you in such ambiguous termes For truly all men here even the most judicious do so take your words as if the articles of Pearth were in them abjured 2. We have again more attentively examined the words of the late Covenant and do evidently perceive by them That in the said Covenant the articles of Pearth and Episcopacie are condemned and abjured as erroneous and damnable corruptions For where you professe and before God and his angels and the world solemnly declare That you shall labour by all means lawfull to recover the libertie and puritie of the Gospel as it was established and professed before the foresaid novations We ask you what is that period of time to which your words have reference when you promise to labour to recover the puritie and libertie of the Gospel as it was professed and established before the foresaid novatitions If you mean that period of time when the Service book and Book of Canons were urged upon you to wit the last year by-past in Summer then you acknowledge That all that time you enjoyed the puritie and libertie of the Gospel and consequently That you yet enjoy it for no new thing hath since that time been publickly received and practised in this Church If you mean as undoubtedly we think you do the time praeceding the bringing in of Episcopacie and the acts of Pearth then you comprehend both Episcopacie and the acts of Pearth under these novations for the removing whereof you promise to labour according to your power and consequently do dis-allow and condemne them even before they be tried in a free assembly and before they be heard who maintain and approve them as lawfull 3. We may evidently demonstrate this argumento ad hominem as we say in the schools For those rites and ceremonies which are abjured in the negative confession are also abjured in your late Covenant which as you say is all one with the negative confession or with the Covenant made 1581. But the rites and ceremonies which were concluded in Pearth assembly are abjured as you say in the Covenant made 1581. and therefore they