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A16954 An apologie to my Lorde Treasorer touching a speach vttered vnto His Lordship by my Lord of C. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612. 1597 (1597) STC 3845.5; ESTC S1829 4,942 10

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our cōtrouersie telling that he marked howe I vsed mine aduersarie reuerentlie and was no worse vsed by him But sayde to the matter Our D. hath turned all against you all of all degrees Then sayde I Your selfe shall turne to me against them presently if you will speake your conscience God forbid quoth he that I should striue against the light Then I Marke the narration whence my demaunde shall arise Daniel prayeth at three a clocke or Euening offering the nineth houre by Iewes Act. 4. when Gabriel fleeth to him and promiseth to teach him wisedome and sayth Seauentie seauens of yeares are pared out to bring in Eternall redemption Herevpon followeth my demaunde Speake before God and his Angels whence must the beginning be taken Doubtles sayeth he from Daniels prayer And where endeth it Doubtles at our Lordes death Then saide I Commende me to your D. and tell him from me that when he hath weyghed all he will iudge that hee may as well denie all Religion as make any other limites Vpon his speach the learned man sayth in his lecture booke That by all argumentes of Scripture the time should begin from the first of Darius or Cyrus as I taught and Septuaginta septimanis cōpletis excisus est Christus So your Lordship seeth that he graunteth my assumption and the whole controuersie My Lords Grace hath seene his wordes in print and may not pleade ignorance Nowe the D. consydering what an infinite cōpanie of bookes he should condemne all the West for two thousand yeares recordes and not seeing the millions of Iewes and all Heathen in particulars to be with me all the Bibles frame sought a kinde of cure and sayde Restat confirmandum per septuaginta septimanas non posse intelligi annos quadringentos nonaginta sed alium aliquem numerum incertum per certum Vpon this commeth a third sequell which I was to fall into by the prouocation of D. R. his deniall A chayning of yeares is from Adam to Cyrus which sheweth that thence it must be propre as no wise goldsmith beginneth a chaine but to make it vp and breaking off in any one place disannulleth the vse of all Then saide he The time is not chayned thither from Adams fall to Babels Vpon that I wrote a booke prouing this proposition He that denieth the Scripture to haue a certen recorde of times from the creation to the redemption may as well denie that the sunne hath brightnes And that booke I sent vnto his Grace which he sawe and sent me great thankes with a promise that what so euer his worde could further me I should haue it Nowe your Lordship knoweth that duetie required him to determine whether I was deceyued or not and to haue taught me better if I had bene deceyued And his Grace knoweth that I stande resolute to defende this that if he saye it is erroneous in an Epistle to the Queene he sawe alreadie a sharpe replie In which Epistle I write these wordes If it please your Maiestie to cause both your Archbishops and both Vniuersities to determine I dare assure your Highnes that while the sunne shineth they will not denie seeing what profe is brought that God hath recorded the time certeinlie from the creation to the redemption Here had bene a place for his Grace to haue foyled me for euer if by learning hee could shewe that I was deceyued But he sawe that D.R. whom Oxford men thinke to be not his Graces inferiour further comparison I will relinquish would full quicklie haue tryed if learning could ouermatch the position set down Thus by the matter your Lordship seeth what his Grace must buckle with And whether he forgate his determination or three commenders of his learned censure honorable speaches towards me mistoke him that little forceth for the Queene to knowe neyther is it trauersable or matteriall for our state This must be holdē the substāce of the matter whether if his Grace deny that God hath recorded in scripture the worldes age from the creation to the redemption I may iustly accuse him for concluding against Christ his Religion For euery mans hart can tell it is good that the recorde were in scripture And seeing nothing is omitted in the perfect booke which is good to be there his Grace should think that there it was though he can not tell where And although it is made easie nowe to see and soone learned yet to cleare euery parcell it was not an easie matter And I knowe a King to whom if I had dedicated such a trauel I should haue had thankes and so I should haue had of the Queene but that the L. Chauncelour and his Grace both disgraced the worke whiche neither vnderstoode Your Lordship promised me that you would cause his Grace to determine the controuersie betwixt D. R. and my selfe But I was sure that you would be deceyued Likewise my Lord Keeper hauing seene the marrowe of all that which cōcerneth the bones of this strife brought into an easie view and tast promised that he also would cause his Grace to determine And I knew that he should be no lesse deceyued The matter was brought past all colour of strife and cōfirmed for euery ioint by ancient vnbeleeuing Iewes testimonie which vnvincible trueth forced to affoord And nowe if it please your Lordships both to vrge his Grace to laye downe in writing the contradictorie to anie position of mine then if I make it not as easie for him to reackon all the tyles in Lambeth euery one as the erroures which will followe his Graces assertion your Lordshippes may affirme that I haue not dew regard of trueth and but small grace in study to marke sequelles and appendances in absurdities This kinde of speach his G. must warrant by a narration whiche may here be fitt M. Mulcaster who caryed the declaration of D.R. his cause and mine with a full anatomy of the matter returned to the right worshipful M. Peter Osborne this message how his G. had determined with what honorable speaches how he said that he knew my studies earnest then twentie yeares in a path vntroden since the Apostles time to cleare the narratiōs of scripture by time place person wherin he that crossed me once would be caught in a thousand absurdities They liue yet in the familie who heard him speake and doe all this well remēber Thus I thought good to defende his Graces censure euen against him selfe as in my Epistle to the Queene I wrote as fearing no replier That I refused not to abide al disgrace if my paynes were not found true for the story and profitable for the quietnes of the Realme And thus your Honour may see that I haue not written of his G. slaunderous nor of the trueth erroneous Neither did I commend him to countenance my cause by his authoritie in learning but to countenaunce her Maiesties high preferred scholler and to shew that I envied not his lot though he hath receyued fiftie thousande pounde more then one whom fiftie thousand thinke to haue honored the originall trueth more then he with bare latin studies could doe possiblie Your Lordships to commaund HVGH BROVGHTON
An Apologie to my Lorde Treasorer touching a speach vttered vnto his Lordship by my Lord of C. MY duetie remembred to your Lordship I receyued your Lordships aunswere why your Lordships performed not your promise sent vnto me by Maister D. Caesar for that the Archbishop saide that I had written a booke slaunderous and erroneous I must needes confesse that your exception is sage whyle the Archbishop is not forced to alter his wordes And I might be holden dull if demaunding recompence of twentie yeares trauels with the principall approbatiō of the best the best learned in the Realme I would take my Lordes Graces speaches for a gracious recompence and full rewarde or thinke such dealings honorable or my Lord to be such a scholler that one of my leasure in studie should yeeld vnto Wherefore I must craue leaue to call his Grace into iudgement And your Honours shalbe my iudges I will seeke no better Thus I pleade His Grace denyed to my agent that he saide I had written erroneous but said that he sayde I had written to the Queene vntruely So if his Grace doeth not stande to his wordes his testimonie cannot in anie honour be my hinderance Iudge I pray your Lordship whether I say true or not Nowe it remayneth I aunswere for my writing to the Queene of his Graces determination whether I can defende my selfe or not First this I hope will appeare by writing that I sent vnto his Lordship by Maister Mulcaster a full declaration of the controuersie betwixt D. R. and my self that determining vpon so much the strife he should end I layd downe the controversies in three sequeles The first was Whether Iudah was vnder Persia but an hundred and thirtie yeares or two hundred yeares Now therein seeing D. R. and I agreed that after Zerobabel built the temple the time to Alexander was not an hundred yeares so the time betwixt Babels fall and the Temple building was to be tried whether it were two and thirtie yeares or 107. yeares by both falling to newe particulars That I cleare by nyne and fortie thousand argumentes at once For 49000. thousand returned Esr 2. and in Esra 6. the returned buylt vp the Temple D. R. must proue howe manie died and if the greater halfe wholly had died or almost all yet two only Zorobabel and Iosuah had bene enough for me both named returners aliue all the while Thus much his Grace I trowe could not chuse but see And all Oxford will graunt that thus much ouerturneth my aduersarie So reason would warrant me to write of his Grace that whiche he could not omit without eternal shame I hope her Maiesty will not be angry with me for speaking the best of her Archb. that which common entendement would require anie man to holde true By this your temporall Honours will see that his spirituall Grace disgraceth not me but his owne grace the Queenes Maiesty the maiesty of Gods grace not acknowledging his goodnes which in 49000. Iewes liues in fewe wordes burnes all Heathen Libraries Although his Grace hauing receyued 50000. poundes of the Church at the least knew not of him selfe howe the onely life of Zorobabel or the only of Iosuah of Nehemiah of Ezra of Mardochai of Aggai of Zachari ouerthrewe all Heathen study-glory yet when he sawe that D. R. marked the sequell schollerlike was driuen to invent newe opinions against all the world and reason I hope his Grace will not pleade that he sawe not which way the determination must passe or seeing contemned his duetie And if he doe I trust her Maiestie will tell him what it is to holde the place of an Archb. vnable to perform that which is easie that a Bachler of art would confidently iudge And thus I hope your Lordships will not thinke it reason that I should lose all that recōpence which for twentie yeares paynes by the Queenes honour of Gouernement should befal me for commending one of your owne ordre and neare the Church that he was not farre from God herein but sharp-eyed true learned and honorable Truely Syr I thought it no great paynes to affoord a man of high place good wordes with all aduantage of warrant for honoring such as her Maiestie preferred tendering the quietnes of the Church Although in my conscience I knewe that his Grace had but small skill in difficulties about the Bible as hee sheweth in complayning that he was commended To countenance our common weale I spoke that which his bodily eyes sawe though not the eyes of this minde and had three reporters from him to speake that commendation which of humanitie I would affoord him My aduersarie D. R. affoordeth me as good wordes as anie can bestowe on anie scholler And if I did not confesse that he was the first that hazarded his fame to trye whether the millions of christians that folowed Iewes on the captiuitie bookes all sauing Daniel and on him followed Heathen vnreconciliable must burne all their agreement either with the Iewes or all their innumerable writings after the Heathē if I giue not him this high commendation I should doe him iniurie All must confesse that hee shewed learning that carried an whole Vniuersitie sixe yeares after him an Archb. to deny his owne decree and to be guiltie of denying all ancient grauntes and cōmon reason for the space of the Temples building a most famous diuinitie storie such as of which a Church man could not with any honour be ignorant The Pericles that so could lighten thunder mingle Graecia as D. R. did must needes be holden pericles and full of glorie As I must affoorde him all good speach so I would haue affoorded vnto his Grace but that he doeth plague me for commending his learning care of trueth and regard of his honour The second sequel which followed vpon the first or as the vser will the first vpon it was for Daniels Chronicle of foure hundred and ninetie yeres Thus it fasteneth vnto the other If it be but foure hundred and ninetie yeares from Daniels prayer vnto our Lordes death Iudah was but an hundred and thirtie yeares vnder Persia for we both agree vpon three hundred sixtie yeares following vnto the eighteenth yere of Tiberius But Onely foure hundred ninetie yeres are from Daniels prayer at the Euening offring vnto our Lords death Therefore Iuda was vnder Persia but hundred thirtie yeares My aduersarie denied the assumption for which I will tell a storie howe he was brought to graunt it A modest learned man of Oxford came to me with one Edward Phynees a seruant of my honorable Patrone whose reast is in Paradise Henry the late Earle of Huntingdon whom my pen must honour for that he was so deepe for iudgement in the chiefe heads of all the Bible so syncere for affection in the hart of Religion that he is not like euer to be soone ouermatched by any But for my syllogisme A good scholer of Oxford came to be resolued in