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A30961 The Winchcomb-papers revived wherein are contained some particulars concerning the govenment of the church, the liturgy and forms of prayer, the ordination and power of ministers, the administration of the Sacrament &c. : for the use of dissenting brethren. Barksdale, Clement, 1609-1687. 1675 (1675) Wing B810; ESTC R25862 79,287 210

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