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A47432 An answer to the considerations which obliged Peter Manby, late Dean of London-Derry in Ireland, as he pretends, to embrace what he calls, the Catholick religion by William King ... King, William, 1650-1729. 1687 (1687) Wing K523; ESTC R966 76,003 113

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