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A09441 The churches plea for her right, or, A reply to an answer made of Mr. Iohn Paget against William Best and others wherein the maine points of our present differences are handled and the principall causes of our troubles declared / published by William Best. Best, William, fl. 1635.; Paget, John, d. 1640. Answer to the unjust complaints of William Best. 1635 (1635) STC 1973.5; ESTC S151 93,797 110

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