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A17971 Astrologomania: the madnesse of astrologers. Or An examination of Sir Christopher Heydons booke, intituled A defence of iudiciarie astrologie. Written neere vpon twenty yeares ago, by G.C. And by permission of the author set forth for the vse of such as might happily be misled by the Knights booke. Published by T.V. B. of D. Carleton, George, 1559-1628.; Vicars, Thomas, d. 1638. 1624 (1624) STC 4630; ESTC S107657 76,014 146

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when_o the_o father_n reprove_v astrology_n this_o be_v their_o purpose_n to_o reject_v it_o for_o prediction_n of_o future_a thing_n this_o prediction_n can_v be_v do_v without_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n the_o holy_a prophet_n do_v make_v prediction_n by_o that_o spirit_n if_o any_o shall_v attempt_v such_o thing_n by_o the_o star_n then_o they_o answer_v the_o star_n be_v not_o make_v to_o have_v the_o honour_n of_o the_o holy_a prophet_n which_o they_o shall_v have_v if_o by_o they_o we_o shall_v come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o thing_n to_o come_v the_o father_n say_v the_o star_n have_v no_o other_o use_n or_o end_v but_o to_o give_v light_n and_o by_o their_o motion_n to_o measure_v the_o time_n the_o knight_n say_v they_o shall_v have_v a_o idle_a and_o vain_a creation_n if_o this_o be_v all_o their_o use_n so_o he_o say_v pag._n 2._o behold_v how_o far_o these_o man_n proceed_v to_o censure_v not_o only_o all_o learned_a man_n that_o stand_v against_o their_o fancy_n but_o the_o very_a creation_n of_o god_n must_v be_v censure_v if_o it_o stand_v against_o their_o madness_n god_n give_v they_o a_o meek_a spirit_n to_o satisfy_v the_o knight_n in_o this_o that_o the_o father_n in_o reprove_v or_o reject_v astrology_n do_v it_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o prediction_n that_o their_o divination_n and_o prediction_n be_v unlawful_a that_o this_o be_v the_o thing_n which_o so_o trouble_v the_o father_n he_o may_v understand_v by_o that_o which_o we_o have_v say_v and_o if_o that_o will_v not_o satisfy_v we_o can_v bring_v enough_o s._n augustine_n say_v planetarios_fw-la quos_fw-la 3._o mathematicos_fw-la vocant_fw-la plane_n consulere_fw-la non_fw-la desistebam_fw-la quod_fw-la quasi_fw-la nullum_fw-la eye_n esset_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la &_o nulla_fw-la preces_fw-la ad_fw-la aliquem_fw-la spiritum_fw-la ob_fw-la divinationem_fw-la dirigentur_fw-la quod_fw-la tamen_fw-la christiana_n &_o vera_fw-la pietas_fw-la consequenter_fw-la repellit_fw-la &_o damnat_fw-la and_o again_o jam_fw-la &_o mathematicorum_fw-la fallace_n 6._o divinationes_fw-la &_o impia_fw-la deliramenta_fw-la reicceram_fw-la and_o again_o ind_n certissime_fw-la collegi_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la vera_fw-la consideratis_fw-la 6._o constellationibus_fw-la dicerentur_fw-la non_fw-la arte_fw-la dici_fw-la sed_fw-la sort_n quae_fw-la autem_fw-la falsa_fw-la non_fw-la artis_fw-la imperitia_fw-la sed_fw-la sortis_fw-la mendatio_fw-la and_o again_o his_o omnibus_fw-la consideratis_fw-la non_fw-la immerito_fw-la creditur_fw-la 7._o cum_fw-la astrologi_fw-la mirabiliter_fw-la multa_fw-la vera_fw-la respondent_fw-la occulto_fw-la instinctu_fw-la fieri_fw-la spirituum_fw-la non_fw-la bonorum_fw-la quorum_fw-la cura_fw-la est_fw-la have_v falsas_fw-la &_o noxias_fw-la opiniones_fw-la deastratibus_fw-la fatis_fw-la humanis_fw-la mentibus_fw-la inserere_fw-la atque_fw-la firmare_fw-la non_fw-la horoscopi_n notati_fw-la &_o inspecti_fw-la aliqua_fw-la arte_fw-la quae_fw-la nulla_fw-la est_fw-la and_o to_o this_o purpose_n theodoret_n say_v vniversum_fw-la diaboli_fw-la genus_fw-la in_o zac._n medio_fw-la proposuit_fw-la divinatores_fw-la ex_fw-la syderibus_fw-la prognostica_fw-la profitentes_fw-la somniorum_fw-la interpres_fw-la corum_fw-la mendacia_fw-la reprehendit_fw-la &_o poenas_fw-la constituit_fw-la it_o will_v be_v a_o work_n to_o fill_v a_o book_n if_o i_o shall_v write_v all_o which_o the_o father_n have_v observe_v to_o this_o purpose_n let_v the_o knight_n satisfy_v himself_o in_o this_o that_o the_o especial_a cause_n why_o the_o father_n reprove_v astrology_n be_v for_o that_o they_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o foretell_v particular_a event_n fortuitall_n which_o thing_n can_v be_v do_v but_o by_o a_o spirit_n though_o many_o time_n that_o spirit_n may_v lie_v but_o without_o a_o spirit_n this_o can_v be_v perform_v by_o the_o common_a consent_n and_o torrent_n of_o the_o father_n chap._n x._o the_o censure_n of_o the_o knight_n divinity_n the_o 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