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A90435	Some remarks upon a book, entitled, Christ's lambs defended against Satan's rage, &c. Being the Quakers answer to The Quakers unmask'd &c. : In a letter to E.S., Esq.	A. C.; Pennyman, John, 1628-1706.; E. S.	1691 (1691)	Wing P1417C; ESTC R233470	11,676	10

SOME REMARKS Upon a Book entitled Christ's Lambs defended against Satan's rage c. Being the Quakers Answer to The Quakers Vnmask'd c. In a Letter to E. S. Esq LICENSED June 19. 1691. SIR HAving had the curiosity and opportunity of reading The Quakers Vnmask'd Their Double dealing and False-heartedness discovered c. I thought it impossible for the Quakers to vindicate themselves from that Authors Charge which made me desirous to read their Answer and having perused it I can scarce forbear to Remark some few Passages which are clear Confutations of their boasted Innocency Plainness and Christian Charity In the Advertisement to the Reader G. Whitehead takes notice that The Quakers Vnmask'd c. was sent them in Manuscript in the year 1677. and that Liberty of Conscience being established by Law and placed upon the Book in writing is the cause of its now publication Which says G. W. looks as if he envyed our present Liberty Behold the Spirit of this Answerer Mr. Pennyman kept his Books unpublished for 13 years together lest it might be any occasion of the Quakers Persecution but when Liberty of Conscience is established by Law he publisheth 10 or 11 of them presuming there is now no danger of their being persecuted Does this look as if he envyed their present Liberty and not rather that he was glad of it as no doubt he is In p. 6. to the Reader Our Adversary again p 14. says he deals very unfairly and unjustly by G. W. about some of our Friends saying They give forth Writings from the immediate Eternal Spirit of God and by the same Spirit and Power that was in the Prophets Christ and his Apostles unto which he falsly addeth And their so speaking G. W. saith is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and greater his words and their so speaking are J. P's own Abuse and Perversion Now I beseech you Sir read the Passage in p. 14. and see wherein J. P's Abuse and Perversion lies It lies in this that he added these words and their so speaking and did not put them in a different Character to distinguish them from G. W's words though they did not alter the sense at all if you leave them out the Passage is as much to the same purpose as if they were in Did ever any Writer charge his Adversary with Abuse and Perversion upon so slender an account What an affront is it to the simple-hearted Reader to write at this rate This is the Man that in his Letter to J. O. threatens Mr. P. farther to detect and unmask him if he will not be reduced to Christianity Does he mean by Christianity Quakerism which it seems teaches him to use the basest Equivocations and Slights that can be found in any Writer Of his Book p. 3. He utterly denies it as a Slander that the Quakers formerly exhorted Men to fight and would fight themselves I must refer you to The Quakers Vnmask'd c. to judge whether that is a Slander or not It will abundantly satisfie you whilst you understand their Writings in the plain honest sense of the Words without their after Equivocations J. P cites one of the Quakers Ministers saying We directed all People to the Spirit of God in them and if that led them to fight I had nothing against it for this saith G. W. he quotes fol. 4. but tells us not what Book But why did he not tell J. P so 13 years ago when he desired to know what Errors they sound in the Quotations if there were any however to satisfie him that it was a true citation he took it out of the Quakers Book where Foreign Letters were recorded which was first in J. O's custody and afterwards in J. P's P. 4. The Quakers tell Rich. Protector ' That he would walk with the Lord and preserve his People then thy Name shall be greater than was thy Fathers and the numberless number of this Now distressed People will be unto thee a strength and stand by thee and Defend thee and thy just Government Sir If you had been Protector I persuade my self you would have thought these People would have fought to defend you and your Government But whatever they or you thought then the meaning now is according to G. W. c. they would defend him and his Government By Righteousness Prayers and Faith and by Contributions Taxes c. or the fear of the Lord as in the days of Jehosaphat Would you not judge that Man perjured that should swear Allegiance in such terms with such a meaning And must we not take the Quakers words for as binding as an Oath Next p. 5. you will please to note what G.W. Answers to the Charge of upbraiding others with that which themselves for many years were as deeply concerned and ingaged in c. To all which saith G. W. I do conscientiously Answer He hath most grosly and palpably belyed the People called Quakers in these Passages divers ways First in rendring them without exception of Persons not only Justifiers of the late Wars and what had been done therein without exception of things done but also equally concerned with the Presbyterians Independents and others therein But do the Quakers when they charge these things upon the Presbyterians c. make any exception of Persons or Things And yet it is well known and it is proved out of their own writings in The Quakers Vnmask'd c. that their Chief Leaders approved of the greatest things done in the late Wars against the King and to his Person whereas the Presbyterians generally dis-approved of them Besides they say their giving forth Papers or Printed Books is from the immediate eternal Spirit of God and that their Preachers are guided by an Infallible Spirit and that they are of one Mind and Judgment and the like and therefore an indefinite and general charge will affect them more generally than other Parties G. W. says p. 6. The War began in 41. and in 48 the King was Beheaded and all this while no Quakers heard of till about 50.51 52. when there was no Wars in England for them to be concerned in how false then is J P. to say The Quakers were as much or more concerned in the War against the King as any others But G. W. confesses that divers who have been since and now of us Quakers have formerly been concerned in the late Wars And J. P. has made evident their approbation of what was then done and that many that turned Quakers in the Armies continued there till they were turned out that the Protector is blamed for putting them out by G. Fox and others that they are called Sober Men and true Hearts that feared God and trembled at His Word valiant Captains Soldiers and Officers it may be for saying thou to a single Person or for wearing their Hats c. the distinguishing Characters of Quakers from others Whereas he says there was no Wars in England in 50.51.52

lawfulness of Fighting only G. W. brings it in needlessy P. 21. One of their chiefest Preachers had said It is no Rebellion to call away those in Power by which J. P. understands to Depose those in Power that perform not their Trust G. W. calls this a perverse addition of a meaning as if to call away and to Depose were both one in common acceptance But G. W. is not pleased to tell us what other thing was meant by it and I am persuaded that no Man but a fore-warn'd Quaker will take them for other than both one But I must hasten read his 23 page and you will find it amount to this Had you the Army been faithful to the Power of the LORD GOD you had gon into Spain to require the Blood of the Innocent and knock'd at Rome Gates c. And done wonderful great things by wicked and unchristian Fighting or otherwise by the fear and terror of your Power Arms and Conquests without Fighting or as the Host of the Midianites fled and were overcome and yet not by Fighting on Gideon 's part but by a mean Stratagem Quere Whether they that kill by Stratagem do not Fight And when the Ephraimites slew Oreb and Zeeb and brought their Heads to Gideon and pursued Midian they did not Fight Judges 7.25 And whether Barack Jepthah Samson David Samuel and the Prophets who by Faith subdued Kingdoms and turned to flight the Armies of the Aliens did not Fight G.W. has found out all these ways of an Army's Conquering without Fighting Sir I know you are an impartial Man can you think seriously not that any Man to whom the Quakers wrote or any Man that should read what they wrote would understand them in any such sense without Fighting for I take it for manifest no Man did but whether they that wrote or even the Quakers themselves till now they are press'd with these passages ever thought of such Senses And if not where is the Quakers plainness whereof they so nauseously boast P. 24. G. W. says It cannot consist with our Christian Principle so much as to avenge our selves Who are more ready to avenge themselves in Word and Print than Quakers How have they railed and reviled their Opposers Witness those Names G. W. calls Will. Rogers F. Bugg Tho. Crisp and others in the Preface to his Book Judgment fixed viz. Apostate-Informers Treacherous Hypocrites False Brethren and Deceitful Workers Betraying Judas's Devils Incarnate who having tost their first love to Truth and gone out from us are become degenerate without Natural Affections Dogs that are without Wolves and raging waves of the Sea that foam out their own shame And a multitude of other such like Names do they call those that oppose and cannot conform to their outward Prescriptions and Impositions besides their frequent violence with their own Hands * See the complaint of one of their own People touching this matter It hath been their lot to be haled with violence out of the Assemblies Did I think to see the same violence offered in our Assemblies Nay but with Sorrow mine Eyes have seen pulling down haling out and thrusting forth of our Meetings and they went to the utmost as far as their Power and doubtless they wanted not Will but Power to punish And although they exercise the Oppressions before-mentioned and much more as may be seen in the said Book yet by their deceitful flatteries they make People believe That they are harmless innocent and peaceable People suffering and bearing wrong but not doing any And if any Person write or speak their Grief they will represent them under such terms as may render them odious and the more effectually to weaken their Testimonies they will fix upon them scurrilous and contemptible Appellations as Scotch-Men Welch men Tinker Taylor c. Some of them utterly untrue and to prevent an Inquisition into the matter they would make People believe that they are envious malicious and discomposed Spirits bad dirty factions and ranting Spirits who are gone from Truth and are out of Truth Such is the Portion of those that appear in the least against their imperious tyrannical and lascivious Actions And whatever Man detected the Fallacies and destructive Cheats of imperious disdainful Men but was thus reproached Must it be Justice in them to complain of their Oppressions and Envy and Malice c. in us to complain of ours Their years are but few yet verily they have been exceeding expert to learn of the Papists Subtilties Spirit of the Hat p. 29 36 37. and what is a great part of this Book of G W. c. but avenging themselves of J. P. They might have said all they had to say in their own vindication without those manifold reproaches and even Curses which they belch out against him such as that in p. 30 God will smite thee thou malicious Hypocrite Our Innocency shall rise up in Judgment against thee Read to the end of that Paragraph Of this nature is G. W. glorying that Jer. Ives not long after his malicious Works against us Quakers was soon cut off by Death p. 33. I must desire you Sir to read p. 34 35 36 37. of their Vindication of that Declaration to which Mr. P 's Name was amongst the rest subscribed and then judge what disingenuity and deceit there was in him to insert the substance of that Declaration without telling that his own Name was to it since his Name was not to those after Declarations which are inconsistent with this 2. Whether it is possible to give a more Equivocating Answer to any charge than G. W. c. has given of this They say God might command Thousands and Ten Thousands of His Saints at this Day to Fight in His own Cause † This passage and the like the Quakers left out in the reprint of E. B 's works knowing it seems they would expose them in their clear sense but being brought to light they then study to put an equivocal sense on them But it must not be taken for granted says G. W. that therefore he would do it But that which GOD may do and which we cannot yet believe that He will make use of us in that way and therefore for the present we are given up to bear and suffer c We must needs conclude that this is one of those things that GOD hath made no DECREE to the contrary but that He may Will it to be done even by us in the future though He hath not done it at present And all that G. W. c. has Criticiz'd upon the Equivocalness of the term YET does but bewray his and their Equivocation for though YET may be taken for Nevertheless when they say but YET His Kingdom is not of this World notwithstanding it cannot be so taken when they say neither can we YET believe c. but it must be taken to denote the time to this present adhuc as yet in exception to the time to come