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A91190	A full reply to certaine briefe observations and anti-queries on Master Prynnes twelve questions about church-government: vvherein the frivolousnesse, falsenesse, and grosse mistakes of this anonymous answerer (ashamed of his name) and his weak grounds for independency, and separation, are modestly discovered, refelled. / By William Prynne of Lincolnes Inne, Esquire.	Prynne, William, 1600-1669.	1644 (1644)	Wing P3966; Thomason E257_7; ESTC R210038	32,460	24

them so I dare not stile them Conventicles in an ill sense since not † such by Law being only lawfull Assemblies of private Christians to seek unto God by prayer fasting upon extraordinary occasions which all good Christians cannot but approve But all these meetings were farre from being then stiled reputed Independent Churches or having any affinity with them so as they make nothing for his cause To the eighth Quere he gives a negative Answer First in generall next in particular to some instances First he grants that there was a Nationall Church yea Nationall assemblies Parliaments determining church-affaires of the Jewes but these saith he cannot be a pattern for its now because the covenant of the Gospell is not made with any one particular Nation as with the Jewes but to all Nations that embrace the Gospel and beleeve in Christ you have no promise nor prophesie of any Nation to be holy to God but the Jewes Nation when they shall bee called againe To which I reply first That Independents have not the least precept or example for any solemne Covenant made betwixt God and men to walke in the wayes of God c. but onely * in the old Testament and Church of the Israelites and that no private congregationall but publike Nationall covenant prescribed by the supreme temporall Magistrate and Assembly not by the Priests or private Synagogues yea the principall precepts presidents for publike or private fasts sanctifying the Sabbath c. you likewise derive from the old Testament and that Church why then should not their Nationall Church be a pattern for us and you to imitate as well as their Nationall covenant fasting sabbath-keeping the Church of God being all one as it is a Church both under the old Teastament and new and the pattern of it under the Law a better pesident for the Church under the Gospel of which it was a type and fore-tunner then the pattern of the Tabernacle shewed in the Mount so frequent in your Lips and Books a president for your Independent Modell to which it hath no analogy 2. This reason is most absurd and false the Covenant of the Gospel extending not onely to particular persons but to † all Nations and people whatsoever who are both prophesied and promised to become Christs own inheritance possession people spouse church and to be an HOLY NATION A PECVLIAR PEOPLE c. to the Lord in infinite Texts both of the old and new Testament which I wonder the Respondent should either not see or forget being ten thousand fold more cleare and visible then his Independent platforme which few or none can yet espy in Scripture History or Politiques 2. He addes that I cannot shew any Nation every member whereof is qualified sufficiently to make up a church which is Christs body unlesse I will take in Drunkards Whore-masters c. to be members of a church whereas the Word saith they must be visible Saints and this cannot be avoided in a Nationall church I answer that I dare not be wiser then my Master Christ who Informes me that there will and must be alwayes in the visible church on earth be it Nationall parochiall presbyteriall or congregationall * goats among the sheep chaffe among the wheat which must grow together till the harvest at the end of the world to wit the day of judgment good fish mixed with the bad in the churches Not. 2. I finde a a Judas a Devill among the Apostles many b grosse sinners idolaters and corruptions in the Jewish church many abuses Epicures Drunkards Whore-masters Libertines uncleane persons and false Teachers in the churches of Galatia Ephesus Colosse Pergamus Smynna Thyatira and Laodicea yet the Scripture expresly stiles them c the body and churches of Christ and rep●tes such members though corrupt ones of those Churches who doe not actually cease to be members when excommunicated or suspended for a season after they are baptized and professe the Christian faith nor did any separate from these churches though they had some corruptions and evill members For you therefore to separate from and unchurch such Nationall or Parochiall churches which have such members in them is to unchurch all churches both in the old and new Testament and the world it self yea your own churches too 3. The Scripture is expresse d that many are called but few chosen and saved that all must be compelled to come into the church though they want the wedding-garment There never was nor shall be here on earth any one visible church compacted wholly of reall elected Saints without any mixture of Reprobates such a church we shall meet with onely in heaven I am sure you can gather none such on earth 4. Are there no corrupt or drunken members in your independent churches but onely reall visible Saints are there no usurers oppressors corrupt dealers covetous proud malicious uncharitable censorious persons no apparent hypocrites or dissemblers yea are there not many sinnes and corruptions in the best the choicest of all your members who cannot depart away or quite separate themselves from their owne bosome corruptions as there is and will be in the best of men during their mortality If your Independent congregations consist of such members as these of men subject to like passions sinnes infirmities as others in Presbyteriall churches what then is become of this your reason and principall ground of Independency or rather Separation or Brownism its ancient proper title you may lay it up in Lavander for another world but can make no use of it in this where you cannot so much as dream of a church of reall Saints without any mixture of corruption 3. For his answers to that of Acts 15. all ages churches till this present have held it both an expresse warrant and president for the lawfulnesse , usefulness of Nationall and Provinciall Synods to determine differences in Religion which particular churches persons cannot decide and making necessary Canons for church-affaires neither can all his shifts elude it To his first and second reasons or rather evasions I answer it is clear by Act. 15. 2. that the church of Antiech it selfe could not decide the question nor Paul nor Barnabas satisfactorily determine it so farre as to quiet all parties and therefore they sent Delegates to the Apostles and Elders at Hierusalom there to decide it None is so ignorant but knowes that there are many controversies now on foot concerning doctrine discipline and church-government which no particular congregations nay hardly an whole Synod and Parliament together are sufficient to settle and determine therefore there is a kinde of necessity of Nationall Synods as well as of Parliaments whence all ages churches have used them To his third reason I reply that it is evident by expresse words vers. 2. 5. 6. 7. 10. 19. 20. 24. that the principall end why the Apostles went up to Hierusalem and why this Synod assembled was not to prove

l. 4. c. 12 13. l. 2. c. 33. See 35. El●z c. 1. † See 35. Eliz. c. 1. None are Conventiclers but Hereticks or Schismatickes who wholy seperate themselves from our publique Assemblies established by Law * 2 Chro. 15. 8 to 16. c. 34. 29 to 33 8. 29 10. Ezra 10. 3. Neh. 9. 38. c. 10. 1. c. † Psal. ● 8 9. Psal. 72. 8 to 18. Ps. 82. 8. Ps. 86. 9. Ps. 65 ● Ps. 67. 2 3. 4. 5. Isa. 2. 2 3. c. 9. 22 23. c. 11. 9 to 16. c. 54. 1 2 3. c. 60. 3. to 22. Mich 4. 1. to 5 Mal. 1. 11. Zach. 8. 22. Act. 13. 46 47 48. Matth. 28. 19 20. Mar. 14. 15. Rom. 10. 18 20. c. 11. 4. Isa. 62. to the end 1 Pet. 2. 9. 10. * Matth. 3. 12 c. 13. 24. to 52 c. 25. 32. 33. a Joh. 6. 70 71 b See Iudges Samuel Kings Chronicles Nehemiah Ezra and all the Prophets c See Pauls and Johns yea Christs Epistles to them Rev. 2 3. 1. Cor. 11. 13 to 34. c. 12. 12. 27. d Mat. 24. 14. 15. c. 26. 16. Luk. 14. 23 c. c. 13. 23 24. † ● Chro. 13. ●● to 14. c. 28 29. 2 Chro. 5. 2 c. c. 6 7. c. 15. 9 to 29 c. 17 7 8 c. c 20 3 4. 5. c. 24. ● to 16. c. 29. 3 to 36. c. 30. v. 31. c. 31. 29 to the end c. 35. 1 to 19. Ezra Neh. throughout Esth. 9. 17. to 32. * Dan. 7 9 13 ●● * 1 Cor. 13 11 12. c. 14. 20. c. 3. 1. 1 Pet. 2. 2. Heb. 5. 12 13 14. 1 Ioh. 2. 11. to 15. Ephes. 4. 15. 16 † 1 Tim. 3 6. † Ezek. 16. 13 * Rom 13. 1 to 7. 1 Tim 2 1 2 3. Tit. 3. 1 1 Pet. 1. 2. to 24 c. 3. 1. 1 Cor. 7. 1 to 18. Eph. 5. 22. 23. c. 6 1. to 10 Col. 3. 18 to 25. † See my Catalogue c. The unbishoping of Timothy and Titus A Breviate and Antipathy of the English Lordly Prelacy † See my humble Remonstrance against Ship-money * Deut. 12. 8. Judges 17. 6. 1. 21. 25. † Yea never more dangerous errours refuted suppressed then in the 4. first general Councels and some Synods since as that of Dort and other Protestant Synods in the Harmony of Confessions Where therefore they determine rightly you must submit unto them where they confirm apparent dangerous errours there you may vary from them when proved such * Th●●e are the true grounds of all s●parations Esa 65. 5. Luk. 18. 10 to 16. Iude 18. 19. witnesses the Novatians Donatists of old The severall orders of Monks Nuns Eremites Anchorites in the Church of Rome and their new order of Jesuits ●●th of them pret●nding more sanctity and strictnesse then anoth●r and so severing in their different orders habits Monasteries rules covenants one from another † Mr. Good●●ns Theomachia p 24 25. The Reply of two of the Brethren passion * Epistle to the Reader p. g. 11. 33. 4● to 52. b Page 18. 22. 52. and else Gamaliell Himselfe no Apostle nor Christian from whose words you yet take your text as Gospell was not altogether of this opinion * See Epiphanius Basil Augustine and all the Bookes of or against any Hereticks and Sectaries * Matth. 4 6. * Mat. 24. 11. 23. to● 27. c. 7. 15. 2 Cor. 11 13. 14 15. Ephes. 4. 14. 2 Thes. 2. 9. 10. Rev. 13. 2. to 18. 2 Ioh 10. 11. f Gal. 2. 4. to 1● * Rom. 19. 15. 16 26. h See Iustinian Cod. l. 1. Tit. 8. 1. Eliz. c. 2. 35. Eliz. c. 1. 2. i Page 21. 1 k See the London Ministers Petition against it l See 1 Cor. 21. 26. ● 10. 32 33. m See p. 30. to 52. o p. 3 4. 11. 12. p Ezra 1. 1. to the end c. 4. 17. to 24. ● 6. 2. to 17. c. 7. 12. to 28. Neh 2. 1. to ●7 2 Chron. 36. 22 23. Isay 44. 28. Dan. 3. 29. c. 6. 25 26 27. Ionah 3. 5 6 7. r Acts 24 c. 〈◊〉 26 27 28. 2 Tim. 4. 10. 17. ſ ● Tim. 2. 1 2. 3. Rom. 13. 1. to 7. Tit. 3. 1 t Matt. 10. 17 18. 21. c. 26 27. q Tim. 2. 1 Jer. 19. 7. v Page 38. to 40. Amos 13. 9. a. 15. Acts 4. 1. to 24. c. 5. 17. to 4. c. 6. 12 13. c. 9. 1 2. 3. c. 11. 2 ● 4. c. 16. 10. to 40. c. 18. 12. x Pag. 30. 31 y Amos 3. 3. * Esa. 9. 6. See my twelve Questions p. 7 8. Pag. 48 49 50. This he ●ore ●●fly expressed in a Sermon in Febuary last Note Gamaliell your Text never taught you any such Anti Parliamentary Doctrine Note * The people having power to elect Princes Magistrates Ministers Parliaments Synods have likewise authority to nominate such who by the rule of Gods Word may limit these particulars though not by their owne bare authority without or against the Word † Every Magistrate Parliament and Synod have power to declare and enjoin what is necessary to be beleeved practised by or according to Gods Word not without or contrary to it a See my Appendix to the soveraigne power of Parliaments and Kingdomes p. 122. to 131. Twelve considerable Queries p. 4 5. Independency examined p. 2 11 12. b Page 25 26 c Num. 22. 35 c. 23 24. 1 Sam. 10. Act. 5. 34 to 40 Joh. 11. 49 to 53. d Ioh. 6. 70 71 Mar. 6. 7. to 14 e Matth. 5. 1. c. 13. 1 2. c. 8. 18. c. 9. 36. c. 14. 14 19. c. 11. 32 33 c. 21 8 9 10. Luk. 8. 17 19. c. 8. 44 45. Joh. 6. 2 5. Mar. 12. 12 37. Luk. 13 17. c. 18. 43. c. 2● 38. c 22. 1. Joh. 7 40 43. c. c. 8. 2. Act. 2. 47. * This he confessed and appeared by a writing before the Committee of plundered Ministers * Or as well as himselfe extracts many spirituall Doctrines out of Gamaliels secular speech in these very sermons * Therefore your principall Argument that the seven particular Churches in Asia had no Iurisdiction one over another being under different civil Dominions and not members of the selfe same Christian Republike Ergo the whol Parliament and Church of England have no Iurisdiction over particular parish Churches or Independent Congregations in England is a meere Independency