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A28899 A defence of the Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit speaking in them, as the chiefe iudge of controversies of faith ... with a vindication of that honour due to magistrates, ministers, and others ... in a relation of a disputation at Chesterfield in the county of Darby, between some ministers of the Gospell and James Naylor, an erring Quaker ... : with some animadversions upon a lying relation of that disputation, published by Iames Nayler / by Immanuel Bourne ... Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672. 1656 (1656) Wing B3852; ESTC R23281 45,977 64

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evidence the second proposition Mr Bourne did shew a book the Title of it was concerning a threefold Antichrist or to that effect The same in effect by Richard Tarnworth in his discovery of Faith or rather of infidelity page 13. This was set out by some Quaker and in page the 13. in the very leafe in which beginneth a Letter of James Naylers to severall friends about Wakefield when Nayler was prisoner at Appleby There is Printed this false accusation of the Ministers in England as of Errour because they say the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John are the Gospell or containe the glad tidings of salvation through Jesus Christ therefore the Quakers are not fit to be the chiefe Judges of Controversies of Faith Naylers Answer Nayler answered hee did owne that Letter writ to his friends about Wakefield and said the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John were not the Gospell but Christ was the Gospell Mr Bourns Reply Mr Bourne went on to prove that the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John were the Gospell by this Argument Whatsoever book the Spirit of God by the mouth of the Evangelist Marke calleth the Gospell that is the Gospel but the Spirit of God by the mouth of the Evangelist Marke calleth the book of Marke the Gospell therefore that book of Marke is the Gospell The first proposition is unquestionable The second is witnessed Marke 1.1 Marke 1.1 The beginning of the Gospell of Jesus Christ the Sonne of God as it is written in the Prophets Observe first That the Evangelist affirmeth that the Gospel was written in the Prophets Secondly that he calleth the beginning of that book the beginning of the Gospell not that the Gospell was not before for the Gospell was preached to Adam and Eve in Paradise after the Fall Gen. 3.15 But the seed of the woman shall break the serpents head but that it was the beginning of that book of the Gospell of that history of Christ and declaration of salvation by Christ Jesus For what is the Gospell but good newes or good tidings of a Saviour as that Angell speaketh Luke 2.10 And good tidings of Christ is not Christ himselfe and so the Gospell is not Christ himselfe but good newes of salvation by Christ This is the book of Marke the Gospell and thus are the books of Matthew Luke and John the Gospell and the Quaker denying this and accusing the Ministers of Christ as of Errour for affirming it this assertion is plainely proved that the Spirit in the Quaker is a Spirit of Errour lying and false accusation and so not fit to be the Judge of Controversies of Faith Naylers Reply Nayler had nothing to answer but lyar lyar hold thy tongue and sit downe for Christ is the Gospell the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John are not the Gospell Mr Bournes Argument Mr Bourne began to presse another Argument out of a booke of one Nicolas Cowlings Nicol. Cowling his word to 52 London Ministers p. 15 c. A word to the 52 London Ministers pages 15 16. whereing he blasphemously compareth Christ that dyed at Jerusalem to a woodden leg Let me be bold saith he to impart unto you my former experience in the mystery of Christ I thought a long while a faith in Christ that died at Jerusalem was the top gallant of a Christian but since it doth appeare I Answer There was a twofold Faith in the person of Christ 1. Erring of an outward Redemption from Roman tyranny of which Luke 24 21. Acts 1.16 2. True Faith of an eternall Redemption from sinne c. and purchase of liternall happinesse for his people in Heaven of which Mat. 1.21 Iohn 1.29 6 47 14 1 2 3. The Erring faith died with Christ but the true faith in Christs person did not dye as the Blasphemer imagineth c. that faith the Disciples had in the person of Christ died with him c. therefore it is Christ in the mystery that will save A woodden legge saith he that is tyed on may do some service but it is the legge naturall that is usefull for all occasions Thus doth this blasphemer make Christ our Saviour that died for us at Jerusalem but as a woodden legge But it is not that Christ that died at Jerusalem mighty to save not only by the work of sanctification in us by his Spirit through Faith to purifie our hearts but by the worke of justification by his blood and merits of his death and passion by which he hath made our peace even by the blood of his crosse and righteousnesse imputed to us for our justification before God as by our holinesse and good workes we are declared to be justified before men For God made him to be sinne for us who knew no sinne that we might be made the righteousnesse of God in him But this Spirit in this deceived Quaker or Erring Sectary who glories in his perfection and disgracefully calleth Christ that died at Jerusalem a woodden legge it is an Erring spirit and therefore not fit to be judge of Controversies of Faith Naylers Answer James Nayler would give no Answer to this but said he would not answer for any but himselfe Yet certainly James Nayler needed not then to have disowned that or denied to answer for it is nothing but what he himselfe did owne before Read the Perfect Pharisee p. 8. position 5. as appeares by that expression of his in a Letter sent by him to one in Lancashire That he that expected to be saved by him that died at Jerusalem should be deceived This witnessed by those reverend Divines who writ that book called the Perfect Pharisee And it seemeth it is their common opinion as may appeare by that speech of another Quaker neer Bristoll who said he was not such a foole as to hope to be saved by Jesus Christ that died at Jerusalem sixteen hundred yeares agoe Mr Farmer in his mystery of godlinesse and ungodlinesse witnessed by Reverend Mr Farmer a Reverend Minister in Bristol This spirit in the Quaker cannot be the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith Mr Billingsleys Argument Then Mr John Billingsley to prove that the Spirit in the Quakers and in James Nayler in particular was a lying scandalizing Spirit and so not fit to be Judge of Controversies of Faith brought an Argument to this purpose That Spirit whatsoever that did or doth affirm that Bul-baiting swearing cursing and such like are the fruits of John Billingsley's Ministrie that is a lying scandalizing Spirit but the Spirit that is in thee James Nayler or thou thy selfe James Nayler diddest affirme that Bul-baiting swearing cursing and such like is or are the fruits of John Billingsley's Ministery therefore thy Spirit is a lying scandalizing Spirit and so not fit to be Judge of Controversies of Faith For the first proposition I John Billingsley doe appeale to all the Congregations which have heard me preach in Chesterfield or else where
Scriptures I say to the satisfaction of a man or womans owne conscience in what they are to believe yea those to whom God hath given a more excellent measure of understanding in the mystery of Christ revealed in the Scriptures these may in some measure judge or be inferiour Judges of spirituall things and of private mens opinions in the Controversies of Faith For the Spirit of the Prophets 1 Cor. 14.32 is subject to the Prophets but all private spirits of men in the world yea the Pope himselfe and all the Quakers they are and must bee subject one day to the voice of Gods Spirit speaking in the holy Scriptures and that word of Christ recorded in holy Scriptures shall judge them all at the last day witnesse our Saviour himselfe John 12.48 The Quaker abuseth other places of holy Scripture But the Answers I have given may satisfie any understanding Reader I shal name only one more from Nayler and his fellow Quakers which seems to conclude against the Scriptures excellency and authority of being chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith calling the holy Scriptures a dead letter and the letter that killeth all to discountenance the credit of the Scriptures to exalt their owne private spirit The place of Scripture they pervert is that of the Apostle 2 Cor. 3.6 Who hath made us able Ministers of the New Testament not of the letter but of the Spirit for the letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life I might answer at large shew how the letter is taken in severall places of Scripture and evidence the falshood of Naylers application of this place also but in briefe The letter is taken 1. Propperly for the first Elements or beginnings of learning for the letters in severall languages from which by spelling and putting together are made syllables and words and sentences in and by which the mind of God and men is held forth to our understanding as in those letters of Greek and Latine and Hebrew which were written over Christ upon his Crosse Luke 23.38 And these letters may be called dead letters because of themselves they signifie nothing to declare the mind of the writer except they be joined and put together in● syllables words and sentences Againe Improperly and more generally letters are taken severall waies in Scripture for Epistles private or publick 2 Cor. 3.6 c. And in that place alledged The letter killeth The Apostle doth speak of the Law which he opposeth to the Gospell which is the ministration of the Spirit as will appear plainly if the Chapter be truly looked into yea the Law it selfe doth not properly kill of it selfe but is said to kill when men break it and so are become subject to death by sinning against it Rom. 7.12 13. Rom. 6.27 Psal 119.50 for the wages of sinne is death otherwise the Law and word of God doth quicken as David found by experience Psal 119. And the written words of God are lively oracles Acts 7.38 Heb. 4.12 2 Tim. 3.16 17 as the blessed Martyr Stephen witnessed yea mighty in operation and able to make us wise to salvation and therefore most fit to be the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith whatsoever the deluding Quakers pretend to the contrary Thus I have done with the first Question I come now to the second Question Mr Bourns Argument The second Question Whether the private Spirit in the Pope or in any Quaker be the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith This was denyed and Mr Bourne proved the negative by this Argument No Spirit which is subject to tryall it selfe can be the chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith but the private Spirit in the Pope or in any Quaker is subject to tryall it self therefore the private Spirit in the Pope or in any Quaker cannot be the chiefe Judge of any Controversies of Faith The first proposition was not denied and the second is witnessed 1 John 4. Beloved believe not every spirit but try the spirits whether they be of God for many false Prophets are gone out into the world And here you may see the Evangelist giveth a generall rule for Christians to try the spirit all spirits in any man yea all that pretend to the Spirit of God as the Pope and the Quakers doe therefore their spirits are to be tried and so are not fit to be chiefe Judges of Controversies of Faith Naylers Answer James Nailer wrangled about the Spirit but gave no satisfying answer to the Argument but said the Spirit was not a private spirit if he was but in one against a hundred and said the Spirit was in them and he was Judge in them as if the Spirit in the Quaker were a publick infallible Spirit and so fit to be the chief Judge of Controversies of Faith which cannot be for if the Spirit of the Prophets be subject to the Prophets 1 Cor. 14.32 then much more the Spirit in the Pope or in any Quaker subject to tryall and therefore they cannot bee the chiefe Judges of Controversiies of Faith Mr Bourns 2 Argument Then Mr Bourne pressed a second Argument No Spirit which is a Spirit of Errour lying and false accusation is or can be a chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith But the Spirit in the Quaker and in James Nayler in particular is a Spirit of Errour lying and false accusation therefore that Spirit in them cannot be a chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith The first proposition is cleare because a chiefe Judge must and ought to have in him a Spirit not of errour lying and false accusation but a Spirit of truth and righteousnesse that he may bee directed to give true judgement and not to wrest or give wrong sentence for this is contrary to the Law of God Exod 23.6 7. Thou shalt not wrest the judgement of the poor in his cause and keep the farre from a false matter c. Therefore a Spirit of lying and Errour and false accusation is not fit to be a chiefe Judge of Controversies especially not of Controversies of Faith And for the second proposition that the Spirit in the Quaker and in James Nayler in particular is a Spirit of Errour lying and false accusation Mr Bourne proved it by these Arguments Mr Bournes Argument Whatsoever Spirit did or doth affirme and falsely accuse the Ministers of Christ in England that they erre and are false Teachers because they say the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John are the Gospell that is a Spirit of Errour lying and false accusation But the Spirit that is in James Nayler and some of his fellow Quakers did or doth accuse the Ministers of Christ in England that they erre and are false Teachers because they affirme the books of Matthew Marke Luke and John to be the Gospell therefore the Spirit in the Quakers and in James Nayler in particular is a Spirit of Errour lying and false accusation and so not fit to be chiefe Judge of Controversies of Faith To
Nayler answered that he himselfe was as holy just and good as God himselfe And this Mr Baldw●nson did offer to depose to Colonell Briggs who is a man fearing God and of eminent trust in the Common-wealth and what is this but presumptuous blasphemy both in Fox and Nayler so proudly to boast of their owne perfection and that not by the imputed righteousness of Christ for that they deny but by their own inherent holiness which they pretend to be Christ within them and yet so basely to manifest themselves notorious lyars The briefe volation of the irreligion of the Northern Quak●rs wherein their h … d principles and practises doctrines and manners are discovered read page 24 25. As in that Pamphlet called Saul's Errand to Damascus in which there are a hundred untruths as may be proved by a hundred witnesses testified in that booke called A Briefe Relation of the irreligion of the Northern Quakers page 24. Many of them saith that Author will be as ready to say and unsay any thing as if lying were a vertue and they make no conscience saith he of raising false reports against those especially who doe any way oppose them and he goeth on further Thus wholly by lies lying doctrines lying wonders lying reports they endeavour to build up the Kingdome of the Father of lyes amongst us Thus farre and further that reverend Author I might add many more of their errours lies and abominable blasphemies But these are sufficient to witnesse the Spirit in James Nayler and divers of his fellow Quakers to be a Spirit of Errour and Blasphemy and therefore not fit to be chiefe Judges of Controversies of Faith Other their Errours and Blasphemies are so abominable that I hold them fitter to be buried in silence then to rake them up out of the Devils dung-hill to be an odious noisom stinke and offence to the people of God Now for Naylers answer and his crosse interrogatories upon this and other Questions I have answered them fully in every particular which with my Reply to his Quaeries and discoveries of many of his abominable lies increased in my written hand prepared for the Presse to above threescore sheets of paper which I have ready by me the which I was resolved by Gods grace to have printed in Defence of Christ the Gospell and the faithfull Gospel-Ministers of Christ in England and their maintenance But comming to London I finde these things so sufficiently answered and truth so sully satisfied against the Quakers and their errours by so many godly and learned Divines that I conceive to add more is but to cast water into the sea and therefore I have thought good to print only these few sheets and to let the rest of my labours rest unprinted untill God shall give me a further call unto that worke I now therefore proceed to the third Question Disputed 3 Question Disputed Whether every man be bound to looke to the light within him as sufficient for his ditection to attaine salvation This we denyed The state of the Question The sence of the Question is Whether every man and woman in the world have a sufficient light within them for their direction to attaine eternall life so as he or shee needeth not to looke to the outward light of the written word of God or to the light of the Gospell revealed in the holy Scriptures or to any outward teaching by man whatsoever although it be agreeable to the Scripture of truth This in effect was the opinion of Nayler as it is of divers of his fellow Quakers witness Nayler himselfe in his answer in writing sent to us the day after the Dispute and since printed The light of Christ saith hee which hath enlightned every man that commeth into the world is ourlight and to that is every one bound to look for direction to attaine Salvation and that he affirmeth as sufficient or to that effect And the same did Nayler affirm before in his discourse with Mr Will. Cole at Kendall See the Perfect Pharisee the subscription to the Epistle and pages 17.18 Richard Tarnworth p. 51. c To whom he said that every man in the world had a light within him sufficient to guide them to salvation and this he extended to the Indians that never heard the Gospell witnesse that booke called the Perfect Pharisee written by those five Reverend Ministers nere New Castle named before And thus James Nayler and divers others of his fellow Quakers in other Pamphlets which for brevity sake I omit Mr Bournes Argument But I did prove the contrary by this Argument No man whosoever is darknesse is bound to looke to the light within him as sufficient to direct him to attaine Salvation but every naturall man is darknesse therefore no naturall man is bound to looke to the light within him as sufficient for his direction to attaine salvation and so not every man that commeth into the world The first proposition is evident because it is in vaine to look for light in darknesse And the second proposition is witnessed by the Apostle Paul Eph. 5.8 Ye were once darknesse saith he to the Ephesians but now ye are light in the Lord. In the state of nature corrupted by Adams Fall they were darknesse having their understandings darkened through the ignorance that was in them because of the blindnesse of their minds And what light then had these within them sufficient to direct them to Salvation or what sufficient light hath any naturall man in the world and therefore all are not bound to looke to the light within them as sufficient for their direction to attaine Salvation Naylers Answer All Naylers answer was it is false it is false lyar lyar all are enlightned and have a light within them sufficient to direct them to Salvation or to that effect Mr Billingsley's Argument And after some wranglings by Nayler Mr Billingsley called to Nayler to heare an Argument and gave this or to this effect None of those to whom Paul was sent to turn them from darknesse to light and from the power of Satan to God had a light within them to which they were bound to looke as sufficient to direct them to attaine Salvation But there were some Gentiles to whom Paul was sent to turn them from darknesse to light and from the power of Satan to God therefore some Gentiles had not a light within them to which they could looke as sufficient to direct them to attaine Salvation and so not every man in the world The first proposition is manifest because if those Gentiles had a light within them sufficient to direct them to attaine Salvation then what needed the Lord to have sent blessed Paul through so many dangers to turne them from darknesse to light and from the power of Satan to God And for the second the Evangelist Luke doth witnesse it Acts 26.17 18. Acts 26. Delivering thee from the Gentiles to whom I send thee to turne them from