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A16958 Certayne questions concerning 1. Silk, or vvool, in the high priests ephod. 2. Idol temples, commonly called churches. 3. The forme of prayer, commonly called the Lords prayer. 4. Excommunication, &c. Handled betvveen Mr Hugh Broughton remayning of late at Amsterdam in the Low contreyes. and Mr Henry Ainsvvorth teacher of the exiled English Church at Amsterdam aforesayd. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612.; Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622? aut; Blackwell, Francis, fl. 1605. 1605 (1605) STC 3848; ESTC S106726 36,807 44

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