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be_v a_o sin_n for_o any_o man_n suppose_v infant_n baptism_n a_o duty_n to_o offer_v his_o child_n to_o be_v baptise_a where_o it_o will_v be_v do_v with_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n or_o such_o ceremony_n as_o the_o lutheran_n use_n though_o he_o profess_v his_o own_o dissent_n and_o dissallowance_n of_o those_o ceremony_n and_o though_o he_o can_v lawful_o have_v it_o do_v better_a but_o must_v have_v that_o or_o no_o baptism_n at_o all_o ii_o that_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n of_o the_o second_o three_o and_o four_o age_n it_o have_v be_v better_a to_o be_v unbaptise_v than_o to_o use_v a_o white_a garment_n in_o baptism_n as_o they_o do_v or_o to_o be_v anoint_v as_o then_o or_o to_o taste_v milk_n and_o honey_n though_o the_o person_n offer_v his_o child_n to_o such_o baptism_n have_v profess_v his_o dissent_n as_o aforesaid_a iii_o that_o all_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o those_o second_o three_o and_o four_o and_o follow_v age_n who_o be_v baptise_a thus_o 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in_o that_o sacred_a office_n be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o relative_o holy_a as_o separate_v to_o god_n therein_o vi_o that_o temple_n and_o church_n utensil_n devote_v and_o lawful_o separate_v by_o man_n to_o holy_a use_n either_o be_v not_o just_o relate_v to_o god_n as_o so_o separate_v or_o though_o so_o separate_v and_o relate_v be_v in_o no_o degree_n to_o be_v call_v holy_a vii_o your_o pref._n 16._o that_o no_o reverence_n be_v due_a to_o minister_n and_o church_n utensil_n viii_o ibid._n to_o be_v uncover_v in_o the_o church_n and_o use_v reverend_a carriage_n and_o gesture_n there_o do_v not_o at_o all_o tend_v to_o preserve_v due_a reverence_n to_o god_n and_o his_o worship_n ix_o ibid._n that_o the_o unjust_a alienation_n of_o temple_n utensil_n land_n day_n which_o be_v separate_v by_o god_n himself_o be_v no_o sacrilege_n no_o not_o to_o have_v turn_v the_o temple_n of_o old_a and_o the_o sacred_a thing_n to_o a_o common_a use_n unjust_o nor_o the_o lord_n day_n now_o 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in_o scripture_n xii_o ib._n according_o it_o be_v sin_n to_o use_v the_o word_n altar_n for_o table_n or_o the_o word_n sacrifice_n for_o worship_n as_o thanksgiving_n etc._n etc._n though_o with_o all_o the_o foresay_a caution_n and_o though_o god_n so_o use_v they_o in_o the_o scripture_n 1_o pet._n 2.5_o heb._n 13.15_o 16._o phil._n 4.18_o eph._n 5.2_o rom._n 12.1_o heb._n 13.10_o rev._n 6.9_o and_o 8.3_o 5._o and_o 16.7_o and_o that_o all_o the_o ancient_a writer_n and_o church_n sin_v that_o so_o speak_v xiii_o that_o no_o sober_a christian_n shall_v allow_v each_o other_o the_o liberty_n of_o such_o phrase_n without_o censoriousness_n or_o breach_n of_o charity_n and_o peace_n ibid._n pref_o fourteen_o ibid._n
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