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A45153 The question of re-ordination, whether, and how a minister ordained by the Presbytery, may take ordination also by the Bishop? by John Humfrey ... Humfrey, John, 1621-1719. 1661 (1661) Wing H3704; ESTC R8105 33,209 104

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it does do according to the law of our Church or Land wherein I am not so well-skill'd as to speak surely In the first regard to wit of what it ought to do we stand upon it to be valid or good we profess that that alone is such according to Scripture as ought to give us the repute and full reception as Ministers by all persons and to all intents and purposes whatsoever But in the second regard to wit of what it does do we yield it is not valid we acknowledge it indeed hereby not to be so It does not do this 't is true it is that we perceive and know and complain of what through error in some and wilfulness and injury in others they render it to us as null both as to the main and special effects so that it will not any longer serve the turn or end through the stream of the times how happy soever otherwise to give our Ministry its free course the marrow of all and upon that account are we ordained again Which being I say the reason or one main reason at least of this rite it self it is substantially satisfactory and I suspect also obligatory for our yielding to the same And thus do I avoid both the sin on one hand of disowning our first Orders and the Soloecism on the other of doing only what is done in our last When yet I should have thought this matter might have passed pretty well at first if it had been but so determined as to be if men would some kind of Soloecism but no sin You have the body of this main Objection I shall now proceed to the limbs of some farther scruples Object Ordination is our entrance into the Ministry How can a man have a double entrance into the same state Answ Besides that this is taken off in the reason of the thing as to its foundation I return So is Marriage an entrance into the conjugal estate Suppose a couple marryed only by the Magistrate and as to some considerable effect their marriage is in question Who would doubt but upon such or any other serious cause for it they may be marryed again by the Book of Common Prayer And why not upon this very reason Because there is nothing else in it but only that that Form which is compiled in the Book for the entring or what is the truth signifying the entrance of two persons into wedlock is now used to signifie these to be entred or confirming them legally in that estate which it will do as well as enter them at first Who will say it is a sin or transgression to use it so A great piece of matter and mis-usage is it not Apply the same here and if any will condemn us for the like use of the form of ordering Priests let them include the multitudes that have been so marryed in these times and take heed they can answer it before the Lord. Who art thou that judgest thy Brother Rom. 14.10 Indignum est sayes the Father ut propter ea qua nos Deo neque digniores neque indigniores possunt facere alii alios vel condemnemus vel judicemus Object Ordination is not a naked sign only to declare a man a Minister before men but there is grace implored we are recommended to Gods grace and we are to suppose grace accompanying of it Now Is not the being twice ordained a kind of offering an indignity to the grace of God Answ If we look into 1 Cor. 15.10 we have footing for a distinction of Grace I laboured yet not I but the grace of God which was with me There is therefore the grace of God in us or with us That grace which is implored unto which we are committed and may expect from this solemnity is I take it the grace of God with us the assistance and blessing of God upon us for our work which being what we may alwayes pray for or what is continually vouchsafed I hope there is no more evil here then the bidding several times God speed or blessing our friends in the Name of the Lord more then once It was no wayes derogatory to the divinity of Pharaohs first Dream that it was seconded by another For that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice it is because the thing is established by God By the way A second Ordination then by various persons and rites destroyes not the first but is an Establishment the title by which I have chosen to call it Object But there is a gift given by Ordination which is in us Neglect not the gift that is in thee which was given thee by Prophesie with the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery 1 Tim. 4.14 with 2 Tim. 1.6 And that gift it is likely can be received but once Answ It is probable that this gift was something extraordinary and peculiar to Timothy Because 1. It was given him by this ceremony as is thought according to the miraculous gifts of those times 2. He was an extraordinary Officer an Evangelist 2 Tim. 4.5 or at least a singular person 3. It is given him by Oracle 4. There is no mention of such a gift in the Ordination of any other If so this objection is quite taken off from us If not but the Gift is ordinary it will concern us And what then is it let us search that is conferred by this Rite It is not the grace of God gratum faciens or saving grace for that is not tyed to this means Nor is it the Original talent Endowment Parts or Abilities for the Ministry for those are tryed and to be found first in the party to be ordained and therefore not given hereby Nor should it be the Office it self one may judge because 1. What need is there the word Gift should be taken Metonymically when it may be taken properly 2. How can the Office be said to be stirr'd up Stir up the gift that is in thee sayes the second Text which is proper of the grace to discharge it 3. That which is yet harsher How can it be said of the Office The Gift that is in thee It is proper to say a man is in his Office but to say a man Office is in him seems strange 4. If it be thought the office must necessarily be conferred by this rite it is false in our instance of Paul for certain and Barnabas likely Haec manu●m impositto non eò spectabat ut Episcopalem gratiam cis largiretur sed docente Scripturâ ut segregarentur in opus commendarentur gratiae Dei Mason de Min. Ang. p. 46. If it be thought it may and does confer it where it is not before that shall be still supposed by me though not granted nor conceived Suppose it then seeing it is the most currant sense that by this gift is meant Docendi Officium as our London Divines with Anselm Thomas Cajetane Gerson Bucer or what is all one Authority Power and Commission for this Office