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A15145 A brieff discours off the troubles begonne at Franckford in Germany Anno Domini 1554 Abowte the booke off off [sic] common prayer and ceremonies, and continued by the Englishe men theyre/ to thende off Q. Maries raigne, in the which discours, the gentle reader shall see the very originall and beginninge off all the contention that hathe byn, and what was the cause off the same. Whittingham, William, d. 1579. 1574 (1574) STC 25442; ESTC S103071 143,706 216

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in ministers and Elders whiche is described for other offenders and to be donne towardes them rather with more seueritie Now folowith the Discipline reformed and confirmed by the authoritie off the churche and magistrate IT is moste cumlie and godly that Christian people resorte together in place and tyme therunto by common consent appointed yff the persecution off the vngodly will suffer the same and they themselues haue no vrgent cause to the contrary there to heare the pure doctrine off Gods worde taught and them selues openly with their presence and voice to declare the consent off their hartes to the same and to confesse with their mouthe agreablely their belieff and faith vpon god and his holy worde according to the scriptures The congregation thus assembled is a particuler visible churche such as maye be in diuers places off the worlde verye manye And all theis particuler churches ioyned together not in place for that is not possible but by the coniunction off true doctrine and faithe in the same do make one whole churche in this worlde And the electe off God that be in this whole churche and euery parte theroff with all the elect that hath byn from the beginninge off the worlde and shall be to the ende theroff doo altogether make that holy catholike and Apostolike churche the spouse off oure sauiour christe wchiche he hathe purified to him selff in his blood wheroff mention is made in the creede I beleue one holie Catholike and Apostolike churche But at this present oure consideration muste be off the visible and particuler churche The signes and notes off a visible churche are thies Firste true and goldly doctrine Secondly the right ministration and vse off the Sacramentes and common praier Thirdly honest and godly liffe yff not in the whole multitude yet in manie off them fourthly discipline that is the correction off vices but the 2. firste notes are suche as withowt the whiche no forme off anie godly visible churche can possibly be Wherfore they be the principall and chieff notes And therfore we define a particuler churche visible to be the congregation off Christen men whither they be fewe or many assemblinge together in place and time conuenient to heare Christes true Doctrine taught to vse his holy Sacramentes rightly and to make their common praier together in the whiche their appearethe a studie off honest ād godlye liffe and which hathe in it a godly discipline that is to saye ordinaunces and decrees Ecclesiasticall for the preseruation off comely order and for the correction off vices Off the doctrine off the churche which is the first note The Doctrine whiche we holde and professe in oure church is the same that is taught in the canonicall bookes off the holie bible conteininge the olde testamente and the newe in the whiche is conteined the true and liuelie worde off god and the doctrine off helthe bothe as concerninge faithe and godly liffe at full sufficient for the saluation off all the faithfull that vnfainedly beleue therin The summe off the whiche as concerninge faithe is briefly and truly comprehended in the 3. creeds the common creede commonly called the creed off the Apostells the Nicene creed and the crede off Athanasius And as concerninge godly liffe in the ten commaundementes written in the xx chapter off Exodus Off the Sacramentes and common praier the second note We obserue ad kepe the forme and order off the ministraon off the sacramentes and common praier as it is set foorh by the authoritie off the blessed kinge Edwarde off famous memorye in the laste booke off the English seruice Wheroff notwithstanding in the respecte off tymes and places and other circumstances certeine rites and ceremonies appointed in the sayed booke as thinges in different maie be left owte as we at this present doo The times and houres for the teachinge and hearing off goddes worde and the ministration off the sacramen●es and and saying and hearing of the cōmon praier such as be nowe vsed or shall heare af●er by common cōsent be thought moste meete to be vsed are to be kept and obserued off all men not hauing lauful cause to the contrary Off the Ministers off the worde Sacra ments and common praier It is thought expedient for the churche at this present to haue 2. Ministers or teachers off the worde elected off dotrine and godly liffe such as the rule off the scripture dothe requyre as muche as maie be And that the sayde 2. Ministers and teachers off the worde shall in all things and points be off like authorite and neither off them superior or inferior to other Item that the saied 2. Ministers shall by themselues or fit persons by them and the Seniors in the name off the whole congregation to be appointed when necessarie cause shall so requyre preach the ordinarie Sermons on wensdaies thursdayes and sondaies before noone and after noone instruct and Heare the examination off the youthe in the Catechisme on sondaye in the after noone at the howre accustomed and shall by them selues or other appointed persons as is afore sayed Minister the Sacramentes dewly saye the common prayers distinctly viset and comfort the sick specially at their last tyme and howre off deathe bury the dead comely and obserue all other comely rites and vges in the churche directing all their behauiour actes and life according to the rule off off their vocation set foorth in the holie scriptures Item that sixe either fewer or more as the habilitie off the churche wil● beare such as be godly and haue nede off the helpe off the churche be appointed by the Ministers and Seniors in the name off the whole congregation Wheroff 4. to be well lerned who shall reade and expownde the chapters and shall helpe the two ministers off the worde when nede shall require in the doctrine off the worde Catechisinge off youthe Ministringe off the Sacramentes sainge off common praier and the other two or moo shall ayde also the sayed ministers Seniors and Deacons in visitinge off the sick and seinge to strangers and in callinge off the congregation when nede shall be and in all other necessarie and comelie thinges and rytes to be done in the churche Notwithstandinge anie other godly and lerned men whiche lyue off them selues and be not burthenus to the churche maye helpe the Ministers off the worde in the aboue named Ecclesiastical functions iff they themselues so will and be ther vnto called by the saied ministers and Seniors Item for the further instruction off you●he and seruants it is thought good that besides the examination off children in the Catechisme ordinarely vsed the said children and seruants with the whole congregation shulde be all presente at oure ordinarie sermon to be made purposely for them on sondayes at afternoone so lernedly that it be yet for their capacitie most plaine and with all possible perspecu●tie and that one tenor off Christian doctrine from the beginninge to the ende be obserued and kepte in
wh●che dissented from yow somewhat to y●lde yff they might conueniently so●t offended me that there was nothinge graunted or relented on your partes Bicause there was no man named vnto me I durste not entr●prise to medle with the matter leaste my credit shuld incurre the suspecte off ra●henes Nowe that ye are more myleder and tractable in this controuersie and that ye haue as ye saie stilled the matter withe quietnes I am verie glad Verely no man well instructed or off a sounde Iudgement will deny as I think that lights and crossings or suche like trifles sprange or issued owte off superstition wherupon I am perswaded that they whiche reteine theis ceremonies in a fre● choise or when they maie otherwise doo they are ouer greedy and desyrous to drink off the dregges nether do I se to what purpose it is to but ●hen the churche with tryfflinge and vnprofitable ceremonies or as I ma●e terme them with their propre name hurtefull and offensible ceremonies when as there is libertie to haue a symple and pure order But I keepe in and refraine my selff leaste I shulde seeme to beginne to moue a newe contention off that ma●ter whiche as yow reporte is well ended All good men will allowe the Pastours and other Ministers elections with common voices so that none complaine that the other parte off the churche was oppressed fraudulently and with craftye practises For it standethe your wisedomes in hande to consider that howe muche commoditie the goodnesse off the Senate dothe deserue so muche enuie shall yow be giltie off or charged withall yf yow haue abused their lenitie or gentlenesse whiche were so well affected towardes your nation Yet I woulde not haue this so taken that I go abowte to be preiudiciall to anie man but I had rather shewe plainely what maie be saide then to norishe an ill opinion by silence or in holdinge my peace But certenly this one thinge I cannot keepe secret that Maister Knox was in my iudgemen nether godly nor brotherly dealt withall iff he were accused by the subtill suggestion of certeine it had byn better for them to haue ●aried still in their owne lande then vniustly to haue brought in to farr countries the fierbrande off crueltie to set on fier those that woulde not be kindled Notwistandinge because it greueth me to speak sleightly off theis euells the remembrance wheroff I woulde wishe to be buryed in perpetuall forgetfullnes therfore I onely counsaile yow not withowt a cause to be wounded that ye applie your selues to make them amendes for the faulte committed When I harde that the one parte was minded to departe frō thens I earnestly admonished them as it became me that iff they coulde not well remaine there that the distance off place shulde not diss●pate or rent in sunder their brotherly agrement for I feared muche least that some priuie grudge off the former contention remained And certainely nothinge coulde more comforte my harte then to be delyuered from this feare For iff anie haplie come to vs it woulde grieue me that there shulde be as it were but a suspition off any secret debate betwene yow Therfore as touchinge that ye haue written off your agrement I desier that it maie be firme and stable that iff it chaunce the one parte to go to an other place yet that yow beinge so sundred by distance off places maie keepe sure the holie bande off off amitie for the fault alreadie committed is to muche although thorowgh discorde it creepe no further Wherfore it shall well be seeme your wisedomes that ye maie be frinds to purge diligentlie what so euer remainethe off this breache Fare ye well brethern the lorde succour yow with his aide and gouerne yow with his spirite powre his blessinges vpon yow and mittigate the sorowe off your exile From Geneua this last off maie Anno 1555. Your Iohn Caluin BYcause that Maister Caluin in his letter maketh mention off lightes some might gather that he was vntruely enformed that in the Englishe booke lightes were prescribed the contrary wheroff appeareth by the descr●ption before where it is manifest to such as be lerned that he vsethe the figure auxesis and that this is his argument a maiore ad minus for so muche as lightes and crossinges be 2. off the moste auncienstest ceremonies hauinge continued in the churche aboue 13 hundreth yere are yet for suche causes abolished howe muche more ought all other that haue no● had the like continuance and yet abused be vtterly remoued And for that maister Caluin in this letter earnestly wished that all strife shulde ceasse and that yff anie were minded to departe their departure might be suche as all occasions off offence might be cut of and cleane takē awaie it was thought good to suche as were determined to go awaie with in 3. weekes after to folowe his counsaile And the rather for that some whiche tooke them selues to be lerned had openly termed their departure a sisme whervpon they wrote to the pastor Ministers and whole congregation this letter folowinge and deliuered it in the open congregation For so muche as through the benefit off God we haue obtained a churche in an other place we thought it good to aduertise yow of the same And to the intent that not onely slanderous reportes maie ceasse but also iff anie offence be either taken or geuen the same maie come to triall we desier that yow for your parte woulde apointe 2· Arbyters and we shall appointe other 2. Who hearinge our matters throughly opened maie witnes where the faulte restethe at whiche time we will vndertake to defende oure departure to be lawfull contrary to the slanderous reportes off some which vnlernedly terme it a schisme Thus farre brethern we thought good to signifie vnto yow thinkinge this to be the onely meanes of oure mutuall quietnes wheroff howe desirous we are our tedious and chargeable iourney maie be a sufficient proffe beinge throughly perswaded that hereby stryfe maie be ended charitie reuiued frindshipe continued Goddes glory aduaunced and oure brethern edified Fare ye well this 27. off August VVilliam VVilliams VVilliam VVhittingham Anthony Gilby Christopher Goodman Thomas Cole Iohn Fox Thomas VVood VVilliam Kethe Iohn Kelke Iohn Hilton Christ Soothous Nicholas Purfote Iohn Escot Thomas Crofton VVilliam VValton Laurence Kent Iohn Hollingham Anthony Carier WHen the Pastour had redd this letter openly to the congregation and was desired to knowe when they shulde haue an answere he saied vnto them that so farre as he perceiued it required none but that whiche might presently be made whiche was that they might departe seinge they were so minded It was replied that for so muche as it was manifest that they had byn slaundered not onely by letters into diuers partes but also by some that then were present who had affirmed their departure to be a schisme and farther that they coulde finde no indifferency at their handes it was thought necessarie to commit the hearinge off that controuersie to lerned
marche the fiftene men meete againe vpō certeine Articles to whiche excepte one whiche maister Horne and M. Chambers would not subscribe they al subscribed A litle before our departure it was thought profitable that those thinges which we had collected and agreed vppon shulde be brought in to a certeine forme of a booke adding either owte off the olde discipline or by occasion as we were gatheringe theis thīges together such things as might seeme profitable Maister horne and maister Chambers beinge intreated that they would gather those things in suche sorte or ells be present to conferre withe other that reade Maister Horne answerethe that he woulde not neither that there was any suche neede The 16. daie of marche they met againe in the churche and there a certeine bill in whiche were writen certeine articles tendinge to discipline is exhibited vnto them that amonge the fiften it might be deliberated vpon and debated maister Isaac spake many things verie sharplie against one Article as verie daungerous and perilous againste those good men through whose liberalitie the poore off the church were susteined and makinge wise as thoughe he woulde knowe the matter better he requested the bil whiche beinge reached vnto him he putteth it vp in his bosome neither woulde he geue it againe And so by this meanes he tooke away the matter for vs to worke vpon sith that we had no other copie Afterwarde the booke in whiche those thinges were written that were agreed vppon amonge the 15. and certeine thinges owte off the olde discipline and other also were gathered in to some order was brought owte amōge them to be consulted vpon and beinge redd maister Horne and Maister Chambers fyrste off all complained that booke was gathered they not wittinge theroff and had byn longe beatten vppon amonge certeine of them and therfore that it was reason that a copie shuld be geuen to them and to maister Isaac and a farther tyme also to delyberate maister Isaac affirmed that he neded 2. monethes or one at the leaste to consider off that booke It was answered that although Maister Horne and Chambers complained that they were not admitted to the collectinge off the booke in that they did vs wronge for beinge of vs therunto required they refused it and left it to others In that they required a copie it semed vniuste seinge that the church had decreed that we the 15. shulde debate tog●ther as concerninge the writinge off the discipline for that thinge tended againe to a newe dissention Againe that they required so longe a tyme to deliberate and especially Maister Isaac it was moste vniuste For seinge the marte was nowe at hande it was profitable or rather necessarie that oure churche shulde with spede be established and oure ministers elected leaste to oure great infamie men comminge h●ther owte off all Europe they might also se the broyles off oure churche and so spread them farr abroad amoge all nations more ouer that it woulde fall owte to the great hurte off the poore yff godly men being offended with oure dissentions beinge before beneficiall to the poore withdrawe nowe their liberalitie and that ●herforee there was nede off spedie helpe in pacifiynge and quietinge the churche before the mar●e beinge nowe at hande Maister Horne answereth that he requireth not to muche tyme 2. or 3. daies shulde be enough for him to del●berate notwithstandinge that the copie ought to be graunted for no lesse tyme seinge many thinges were conteined in that booke and some also darke and dowtefull thinges and to him before that tyme vnharde off or at the least vnknowen and that therfore he requested that all shulde be asked mā by mā whither they thought not this reasonable ād iuste that he required For if to the moste it shulde seeme reasonable he would at anie hande hauie a copie off that booke Euery man therfore was asked beginninge at Maister Bentham he aswell forthe causes before alleadged as also that no occasion off wranglinge might arise off the booke and leaste the booke shulde come to the handes off anye other before it were brought to the congregation and for certeine other causes thought it not meete that anie copie shulde be geuen to anie but that the booke shulde be brought foorthe amonge them and all they hearing it that were appointed off the congregation it shulde be after read and that tyme enoughe shulde be geuen to stande vpon euerie decree and sentence and more exactly to examin them and that this seemed to him very iuste and reasonable And this iu●gement is condescended to off all the reste and so Maister Horne leaueth off from requestinge the copie Afterwardes the booke is begonne to be redd from the beginnige and in examininge off euerie off the decrees longe time is spente and off some articles in the beginninge mutche disputation and debatinge is had But Maister Horne Maister Chambers and Isaac beinge asked their iudgemēts would not answere no not in the moste plaines●e maters and knowē of all men either to allowe or disalowe as for exāple There was one article we professe the selfsame doctrine which is conteined in the Canonicall bookes off all the holie scripture to witt in the bookes off the olde and newe Testamente in whiche is conteined fullie all doctrine necessary for oure saluation To this and suche other beinge moste plaine and manifeste maister Horne answered as to all thother that he woulde answere nothinge with owte great deliberation By whiche his doinges he gaue occasion to all men to wonder And so some other decrees off that booke beinge examined a meetinge off the 15. was appointed againste the nexte daie and so they departed The nexte daie beinge the 17. off march and againe the daie folowinge beinge 18. twelue off the 15. mette For Maister Isaac Maister Horne and Chambers came not Vpon bothe daies the discipline was more diligently read and examined and off eleuen off them whiche were appointed alowed and subscribed vnto Vpon the 20. daie off marche the discipline was offred to the whole congregation that it might of them either in the whole or in parte be alowed or disalowed and the same daie was it twise reade ouer After the readinge Maister Horne and Maister Chambers require a copie off the discipline that at their leasure they might farther deliberate vpō it It was answered that it was to be opēly read and reade againe bothe to them and others as often as they woulde with time ynough geuē to euery man more diligently to examine euerie Artikle but seinge the Magistrate had commaunded that we shulde exhibite to them a copie off the discipline turned in to laten so soone as possible might be Therfore we durste not scatter any copice before the Magistrate had seene it Besydes that we feared leaste Maister Horne and Maister Chambers Who were amonge the 15. appointed off the churche for the writinge off the discipline who might also when they woulde not onely he are the discipline but also examine the same diligently