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est_fw-la all_o truth_n of_o 37._o 〈◊〉_d in_o â–ª_o â–ª_o mat._n vers_fw-la 37._o who_o soever_o it_o be_v speak_v be_v of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o other_o purus_fw-la est_fw-la multarum_fw-la erum_fw-la usus_fw-la quarum_fw-la vitiosa_fw-la est_fw-la origo_fw-la the_o use_n of_o many_o thing_n be_v pure_a who_o beginning_n be_v vicious_a and_o unpure_a but_o m._n doctor_n bare_a affirmation_n if_o he_o have_v so_o use_v it_o be_v of_o as_o good_a credit_n as_o your_o bare_a negation_n but_o when_o he_o have_v learned_a man_n of_o his_o opinion_n and_o judgement_n for_o you_o thus_o to_o shift_v it_o of_o be_v but_o to_o bewray_v your_o unablenesse_n to_o disprove_v it_o either_o by_o authority_n or_o reason_n you_o shall_v at_o the_o least_o have_v make_v true_a repor_fw-la e_o of_o my_o word_n which_o you_o have_v not_o do_v but_o deal_v therein_o according_a to_o your_o accustom_a manner_n for_o my_o word_n be_v the_o se._n fol._n 82._o it_o make_v no_o matter_n of_o who_o it_o be_v invent_v in_o sect_n pag._n 82._o sect_n what_o book_n it_o be_v contain_v so_o that_o it_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a and_o con_v onant_n to_o god_n word_n and_o you_o report_v they_o thus_o whence_o soever_o this_o or_o that_o come_v so_o it_o be_v not_o evil_a it_o may_v be_v well_o establish_v in_o the_o church_n of_o christ._n if_o you_o have_v the_o truth_n why_o do_v you_o thus_o go_v about_o to_o maintain_v it_o with_o lie_n in_o so_o do_v you_o hurt_v not_o i_o but_o yourself_o and_o your_o cause_n ¶_o a_o examination_n of_o the_o particular_a fault_n either_o in_o matter_n or_o form_n wherewith_o the_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n be_v charge_v chap._n 2._o the._n 1._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 105._o sect._n 3_o now_o i_o come_v to_o the_o form_n of_o prayer_n which_o be_v prescribe_v wherein_o the_o author_n of_o the_o admonition_n declare_v that_o their_o meaning_n be_v not_o to_o disallow_v of_o prescript_n service_n of_o prayer_n but_o of_o this_o foe_n rme_n that_o we_o have_v excus_fw-la have_v a_o prop_n excus_fw-la for_o they_o expound_v themselves_o in_o the_o addition_n unto_o the_o first_o part_n of_o the_o admonition_n io._n whitgifte_n in_o deed_n they_o have_v retract_v it_o in_o some_o point_n which_o argue_v they_o write_v their_o book_n at_o the_o first_o with_o small_a advice_n and_o less_o discretion_n it_o be_v no_o exposition_n but_o a_o retractation_n or_o recantation_n for_o the_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o they_o quote_v and_o their_o very_a word_n declare_v that_o they_o mean_v the_o contrary_a and_o so_o do_v their_o practice_n in_o secret_a conventicle_n but_o now_o you_o come_v to_o my_o answer_n wherein_o you_o take_v what_o you_o listen_v and_o leave_v what_o you_o listen_v as_o you_o have_v hitherto_o do_v chap._n 2._o the._n 2._o division_n admonition_n the_o fouretenth_n then_o minister_n be_v not_o so_o tie_v to_o any_o form_n of_o prayer_n invent_v by_o man_n but_o as_o the_o spirit_n 2_o spirit_n rom._n 8._o 26_o 1._o tim._n 1._o 2_o move_v they_o so_o they_o pour_v forth_o hearty_a supplication_n to_o the_o lord_n now_o they_o be_v find_v of_o necessity_n to_o a_o seven_o a_o damasus_n the_o first_o inventor_n of_o this_o stuff_n well_o further_v by_o gregory_n the_o seven_o prescripte_n order_n of_o service_n and_o book_n of_o common_a prayer_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 77._o sect._n 3_o to_o prove_v that_o minister_n be_v not_o so_o tie_v to_o any_o form_n of_o prayer_n invent_v by_o man_n but_o that_o as_o the_o spirit_n move_v they_o etc._n etc._n you_o quote_v rom._n 8._o &_o the_o 1._o timo._n 1._o in_o the_o eight_o to_o the_o roman_n the_o word_n be_v these_o likewise_o also_o the_o spirit_n help_v our_o infirmity_n for_o we_o know_v not_o what_o to_o pray_v as_o we_o ought_v but_o the_o spirit_n itself_o make_v request_n for_o we_o with_o fighe_n which_o can_v be_v express_v this_o place_n speak_v nothing_o against_o any_o prescript_n form_n of_o prayer_n for_o than_o it_o shall_v disallow_v the_o lord_n prayer_n but_o it_o teach_v we_o that_o it_o be_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n that_o stur_v we_o up_o to_o pray_v and_o make_v we_o earnest_o pour_v out_o our_o supplication_n unto_o god_n and_o thus_o the_o spirit_n work_v as_o well_o by_o prescript_n prayer_n as_o by_o prayer_n sudden_o invent_v the_o word_n to_o timothy_n epist._n 1._o ca._n 1._o vers_fw-la 2._o be_v far_o fetch_v &_o nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n the_o word_n be_v these_o unto_o timothy_n my_o natural_a son_n in_o the_o faith_n grace_n mercy_n and_o peace_n from_o god_n our_o father_n and_o from_o christ_n jesu_n our_o lord_n what_o make_v these_o word_n against_o any_o prescript_n form_n of_o
to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n and_o truth_n and_o notorious_a untruth_n affirm_v by_o he_o of_o the_o answer_n to_o the_o admonition_n with_o sundry_a other_o gross_a oversight_n because_o i_o have_v note_v they_o in_o the_o margin_n and_o plain_o detect_v they_o in_o my_o defense_n to_o this_o reply_o and_o be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n note_v also_o in_o the_o general_n table_n under_o these_o 3._o title_n falsification_n of_o the_o reply_o t._n c._n charge_v with_o untruth_n t._n c._n charge_v the_o answer_n false_o man_n may_v err_v and_o be_v deceive_v but_o either_o to_o speak_v nothing_o true_o or_o often_o to_o fault_n in_o untrue_a deal_n can_v be_v a_o token_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n the_o which_o spirit_n of_o truth_n god_n for_o his_o christ_n sake_n grant_v unto_o all_o those_o that_o have_v a_o hearty_a desire_n to_o know_v the_o truth_n finis_fw-la a_o table_n of_o the_o principal_a title_n and_o matter_n handle_v at_o large_a in_o this_o book_n a_o answer_n to_o the_o epistle_n dedicate_v by_o t._n c._n too_o the_o church_n of_o england_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 1_o a_o epistle_n of_o the_o author_n too_o the_o church_n of_o england_n 17_o a_o exhortation_n to_o the_o civil_a &_o ecclesiastical_a magistrate_n 31_o a_o answer_n to_o the_o preface_n of_o the_o admonition_n 57_o tractatus_fw-la 1._o whether_o christ_n forbid_v rule_v and_o superiority_n unto_o mi_a nister_n 61_o the_o true_a interpretation_n of_o the_o 20_o of_o matthew_n etc._n etc._n reges_fw-la gentium_fw-la etc._n etc._n cap._n 1._o 61_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o place_n math._n 23._o cap._n 2._o 71_o tract_n 2._o of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n in_o thing_n indifferent_a 76_o some_o thing_n may_v be_v tolerate_v in_o the_o church_n touch_v order_n ceremonies_z discipline_n &_o kind_n of_o govern_v mean_v not_o express_v in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n chap._n 1._o 76_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o council_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 2_o 95_o the_o opinion_n of_o saint_n augustine_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 3_o 99_o the_o opinion_n of_o m._n caluine_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 4._o 109_o the_o opinion_n of_o bucer_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 5_o 113_o the_o exposition_n of_o the_o place_n of_o deut._n 4._o &_o 12._o quote_v by_o the_o admonition_n chap._n 6._o 116_o the_o opinion_n of_o other_o late_a writer_n of_o thing_n indifferent_a chap._n 7._o 126_o tract_n 3._o of_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n 132_o of_o the_o trial_n of_o minister_n both_o in_o lear_a ning_n and_o conversation_n chap._n 1._o pag._n 132_o whether_o idolatrous_a sacrificer_n and_o massemonger_n may_v afterwards_o be_v minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n chap._n 2._o 143_o of_o minister_n learn_v catechism_n chap_n â–ª_o 3._o 152_o of_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n by_o the_o voice_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n chap._n 4._o 154_o a_o examination_n of_o the_o reason_n which_o t._n c._n use_v to_o prove_v the_o perpetual_a equity_n etc._n etc._n of_o election_n by_o the_o people_n chap._n 5._o 170_o the_o diversity_n betwixt_o the_o apostle_n time_n &_o we_o require_v a_o diverse_a kind_n of_o government_n and_o of_o order_v of_o minister_n chap._n 6._o 174_o that_o bishop_n have_v authority_n to_o admit_v and_o ordain_v minister_n chap._n 7._o 194_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o the_o people_n shall_v have_v interest_n in_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n but_o the_o contrary_n be_v convenient_a chap._n 8._o 211_o tract_n 4._o of_o minister_n have_v no_o pastoral_a charge_n of_o ceremony_n use_v in_o order_v minister_n of_o apostle_n evangelist_n and_o prophet_n 216_o of_o minister_n admit_v a_o place_n be_v not_o void_a chap._n 1_o 216_o of_o ceremony_n use_v in_o ordain_v â—i_n nister_n chap._n 2._o 225_o of_o apostle_n evangelist_n and_o prophet_n chap._n 3._o 228_o tract_n 5._o of_o residence_n of_o the_o pastor_n chap._n 1._o 235_o of_o plurality_n or_o have_v more_o benefice_n than_o one_o chap._n 2._o 246_o tract_n 6._o of_o minister_n that_o can_v preach_v and_o of_o licence_n to_o preach_v 251_o some_o may_v be_v minister_n that_o can_v preach_v chap._n 1._o 251_o of_o licence_n to_o preach_v chap._n 2_o 254_o tract_n 7._o of_o apparel_n of_o minister_n 256_o the_o cause_n why_o they_o refuse_v the_o apparel_n examine_v chap._n 1._o 256_o that_o minister_n be_v know_v in_o time_n pass_v by_o distinct_a apparel_n chap._n 2._o 261_o that_o the_o magistrate_n may_v appoint_v a_o distinct_a apparel_n for_o minister_n chap._n 3._o 264_o the_o distinction_n of_o apparel_n be_v appoint_v before_o the_o pope_n tyranny_n chap._n 4._o 268_o that_o the_o apparel_n now_o use_v be_v not_o po_n pish_o or_o antichristian_a and_o that_o thing_n invent_v by_o evil_a man_n may_v be_v use_v of_o christian_n chap._n 5._o 271_o diverse_a thing_n concern_v apparel_n in_o other_o place_n of_o the_o answer_v chap._n 6._o 282_o the_o fault_n wherewith_o the_o admonitor_n charge_v the_o apparel_n answer_v chap._n 7_o 283_o tract_n 8._o of_o archbishop_n metropolitans_n bishop_n archdeacon_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 297_o the_o reason_n of_o t._n c._n answer_v where_o by_o he_o go_v about_o to_o take_v away_o the_o superfluous_a lop_v as_o he_o term_v it_o of_o the_o office_n chap._n 1._o 297_o that_o the_o name_n of_o metropolitan_a archbishop_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o antichristian_a chap._n 2._o 318_o the_o office_n of_o archbishop_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o strange_a or_o unheard_a of_o in_o chri_n stes_fw-la church_n and_o of_o superiority_n among_o the_o clergy_n chap._n 3._o 353_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o answer_v of_o master_n jewel_n concern_v archbishop_n etc._n etc._n against_o the_o unreverend_a reply_n of_o t._n c._n chap._n 4_o 422_o the_o cause_n of_o archbishop_n and_o of_o their_o prerogative_n and_o the_o estate_n of_o the_o old_a bishop_n assign_v by_o t._n c._n examine_v chap._n 5._o 435_o other_o thing_n 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the_o bread_n not_o in_o the_o other_o quality_n nor_o in_o the_o substance_n and_o therefore_o not_o perteyn_a to_o any_o thing_n that_o i_o have_v speak_v for_o the_o question_n be_v of_o leaven_a or_o unleavened_a bread_n not_o of_o roundness_n or_o squarenesse_n etc._n etc._n although_o the_o form_n and_o figure_n also_o be_v indifferente_a and_o in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n to_o appoint_v wherefore_o there_o may_v no_o schism_n or_o division_n in_o the_o church_n be_v make_v for_o it_o m._n bucers_n censure_n be_v upon_o the_o first_o book_n in_o king_n edward_n time_n not_o upon_o day_n bucers_n censure_n upon_o the_o first_o book_n 〈◊〉_d king_n edward_n day_n the_o second_o therefore_o you_o be_v deceive_v the_o church_n have_v authority_n in_o thing_n indifferent_a to_o abolish_v or_o revoke_v as_o occasion_n serve_v and_o therefore_o that_o circumstance_n be_v not_o worth_a the_o note_n chap._n 1._o the._n 7._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 131._o sect._n 1_o beside_o that_o we_o be_v call_v by_o the_o example_n of_o our_o sa_fw-fr ionce_n christ_n to_o use_v the_o supper_n usual_a and_o common_a bread_n for_o what_o time_n our_o savioure_n christ_n celebrate_v his_o supper_n there_o be_v no_o other_o bread_n to_o be_v get_v but_o unleavened_a bread_n there_o be_v astraight_o charge_v give_v by_o the_o law_n that_o there_o shall_v be_v then_o not_o leaven_a bread_n and_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o that_o if_o there_o have_v in_o then_o when_o he_o celebrate_v his_o supper_n as_o at_o other_o time_n nothing_o but_o leaven_a bread_n he_o will_v not_o have_v cause_v unleavened_a bread_n to_o have_v be_v make_v for_o that_o purpose_n of_o celebrate_v his_o supper_n io._n whitgifte_n it_o be_v not_o usual_a bread_n but_o proper_o appoint_v for_o the_o celebrate_n of_o the_o passover_n bread_n christ_n use_v unleven_v bread_n and_o then_o to_o be_v use_v and_o not_o otherwise_o usual_o and_o common_o for_o their_o usual_a and_o common_a bread_n be_v leaven_a wherefore_o this_o make_v against_o you_o and_o if_o you_o will_v have_v the_o commandment_n that_o appertethe_v to_o the_o eat_n of_o the_o passover_n perpetual_a 2_o pa._n 130._o sect._n 2_o and_o to_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o celebrate_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n as_o by_o that_o precept_n 2._o chro._n 35._o before_o allege_v it_o seem_v you_o will_v then_o must_v we_o make_v it_o a_o matter_n of_o necessity_n to_o have_v unleavened_a bread_n but_o as_o that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d so_o be_v this_o also_o for_o the_o kind_n of_o bread_n be_v indifferent_a although_o as_o m._n bucer_n say_v it_o come_v near_a to_o the_o institution_n indifferent_a the_o kind_n of_o bread_n of_o itself_o indifferent_a of_o christ_n to_o use_v unle_fw-mi vened_a bread_n b_o cause_n he_o do_v celebrate_v his_o supper_n with_o it_o if_o there_o be_v not_o other_o circumstance_n and_o reason_n to_o move_v the_o church_n sometime_o to_o use_v the_o contrary_n chap._n 1._o the._n 8._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 131._o sect._n but_o this_o be_v a_o gross_a oversight_n of_o m._n doctor_n both_o 〈◊〉_d this_o section_n and_o that_o which_o go_v 〈◊〉_d fore_n that_o he_o have_v not_o learned_a to_o make_v a_o difference_n between_o that_o which_o be_v not_o ncere_o do_v &_o that_o which_o be_v not_o at_o all_o do_v for_o in_o the_o former_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d upon_o the_o admonition_n because_o they_o conclude_v that_o for_o as_o much_o as_o there_o be_v no_o examination_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d and_o sincere_o minister_v for_o say_v he_o the_o examination_n of_o the_o communicantes_fw-la be_v not_o of_o the_o jubstaunce_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o in_o this_o section_n he_o say_v that_o for_o as_o much_o as_o it_o be_v not_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n whether_o there_o be_v leaven_a or_o unleavened_a bread_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_o prove_v that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v not_o sincere_o minister_v but_o he_o ought_v to_o have_v understand_v that_o if_o either_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o sacrament_n as_o bread_n and_o wine_n or_o the_o form_n of_o it_o which_o be_v the_o institution_n which_o thing_n be_v only_o substantial_a part_n be_v want_v that_o then_o there_o shall_v have_v be_v no_o sacrament_n minister_v at_o all_o but_o they_o be_v retain_v and_o yet_o other_o thing_n use_v which_o be_v not_o convenient_a the_o sacrament_n be_v minister_v but_o not_o sincere_o for_o example_n in_o the_o popish_a baptism_n there_o be_v the_o substance_n of_o baptism_n but_o there_o be_v use_v spittle_n and_o cream_n and_o candle_n and_o such_o beggarly_a trumpery_n it_o be_v not_o sincere_o minister_v therefore_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o minister_v sincere_o and_o another_o thing_n to_o minister_v so_o that_o that_o which_o be_v of_o
the_o substance_n shall_v be_v want_v but_o of_o this_o distinction_n i_o have_v speak_v in_o another_o place_n whereinto_o although_o m._n doctor_n fall_v in_o the_o next_o section_n and_o in_o other_o place_n yet_o this_o shall_v be_v a_o answer_n for_o all_o io._n whitgifte_n it_o be_v as_o gross_o reply_v unto_o but_o my_o belief_n be_v that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v as_o pure_o and_o sincere_o minister_v with_o the_o one_o as_o it_o be_v with_o the_o other_o for_o not_o every_o fond_a superstitious_a or_o vain_a opinion_n of_o every_o private_a person_n in_o this_o or_o that_o ceremony_n â—erogateth_v any_o thing_n from_o the_o pure_a and_o sincere_a administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n except_o it_o can_v be_v show_v that_o the_o thing_n use_v be_v wicked_a unlawful_a or_o superstitious_a of_o themselves_o wherefore_o this_o be_v a_o gross_a quarrel_n of_o you_o it_o be_v no_o oversighte_n of_o i_o for_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v of_o the_o right_n and_o sincere_a administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o this_o church_n both_o touch_v substance_n ceremony_n and_o other_o circumstance_n and_o it_o be_v too_o much_o injury_n that_o you_o do_v to_o this_o church_n of_o england_n in_o compare_v the_o ceremeny_n thereof_o which_o he_o pure_a to_o the_o corrupt_a and_o superstitious_a ceremony_n of_o the_o papist_n use_v in_o baptism_n but_o how_o shall_v you_o otherwise_o utter_v your_o contempt_n or_o great_a spite_n against_o it_o chap._n 1._o the._n 9_o division_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 99_o sect._n 1_o these_o word_n that_o you_o use_v like_o their_o god_n of_o the_o altar_n be_v slanderous_a and_o false_a we_o be_v as_o far_o from_o think_v the_o bread_n to_o be_v our_o god_n as_o you_o and_o teach_v as_o sound_v doctrine_n touch_v this_o sacrament_n and_o therefore_o you_o show_v of_o what_o spirit_n you_o be_v t._n c._n pag._n 131._o sect._n 2._o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o admonition_n in_o say_v their_o god_n of_o the_o altar_n be_v plain_a enough_o that_o it_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o papist_n but_o that_o m._n doctor_n do_v set_v himself_o to_o draw_v the_o author_n of_o it_o into_o hatred_n and_o he_o can_v be_v ignorant_a that_o when_o a_o man_n speak_v of_o thing_n which_o be_v 〈◊〉_d know_v he_o often_o use_v the_o or_o that_o or_z their_z without_o name_v the_o thing_n which_o he_o speak_v of_o io._n whitgifte_n the_o word_n of_o the_o admonition_n be_v these_o then_o they_o minister_v with_o common_a and_o usual_a bread_n now_o with_o wafer_n cake_n bring_v in_o by_o pope_n alexander_n be_v in_o form_n fashion_n and_o substance_n like_o their_o god_n of_o the_o altar_n now_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_v whether_o i_o charge_v they_o 〈◊〉_d or_o no._n your_o excuse_n be_v but_o for_o a_o fashion_n their_o opinion_n of_o this_o whole_a church_n be_v as_o peevish_o and_o opprobrious_o utter_v in_o sundry_a other_o place_n of_o their_o book_n as_o it_o be_v in_o this_o and_o therefore_o there_o be_v no_o great_a doubt_n of_o their_o meaning_n or_o if_o their_o meaning_n be_v not_o so_o yet_o be_v it_o unaduised_o set_v down_o in_o that_o order_n that_o i_o may_v just_o suspect_v their_o meaning_n to_o be_v so_o chp._n 1._o the._n 10._o division_n admonition_n the_o six_o they_o receive_v it_o 28_o it_o mat._n 26._o 20_o mar._n 14._o 18_o luk._n 22._o 14_o john_n 13._o 28_o sit_v we_o kneel_v according_o to_o honorius_n decree_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 99_o sect._n 1._o 2._o 3._o the_o place_n of_o scripture_n that_o you_o quote_v in_o the_o margente_a to_o prove_v sit_v at_o the_o communion_n declare_v that_o christ_n and_o his_o disciple_n sit_v communion_n kneel_v and_o sit_v at_o the_o communion_n at_o the_o table_n but_o that_o prove_v nothing_o for_o you_o may_v as_o well_o have_v say_v they_o receive_v after_o supper_n we_o before_o dinner_n they_o at_o night_n we_o in_o the_o morning_n they_o after_o meat_n we_o before_o meat_n they_o in_o a_o private_a house_n we_o in_o the_o open_a church_n they_o be_v all_o man_n and_o in_o number_n twelve_o we_o together_o with_o woman_n not_o strict_o observe_v the_o number_n of_o twelve_o or_o any_o other_o number_n above_o three_o or_o four_o this_o your_o argument_n touch_v they_o as_o well_o as_o it_o do_v we_o which_o receive_v it_o stand_v or_o walk_v but_o to_o sit_v stand_v kneel_v or_o walk_v be_v not_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o therefore_o no_o impediment_n why_o it_o may_v not_o be_v sincere_o minister_v it_o be_v hove_v humble_a and_o meek_a spirit_n in_o such_o indifferent_a matter_n to_o submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o order_n of_o the_o church_n appoint_v by_o lawful_a authority_n and_o not_o to_o make_v schism_n and_o contention_n in_o the_o church_n for_o the_o satisfy_n of_o their_o own_o fantasy_n io._n whitgifte_n nothing_o answer_v chap._n 1._o the._n ii_o division_n answer_v to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 99_o sect._n ult._n &_o pag._n 100_o sect._n 1_o gesture_n kneel_v the_o meet_a gesture_n touch_v kneel_v at_o the_o communion_n it_o force_v not_o who_o do_v first_o appoint_v it_o although_o i_o can_v find_v no_o such_o decree_n make_v by_o honorius_n it_o be_v the_o meet_a manner_n of_o receive_v this_o sacrament_n in_o my_o opinion_n be_v common_o use_v in_o pray_v and_o give_v of_o thanks_n both_o which_o be_v annex_v to_o this_o sacrament_n and_o be_v to_o be_v require_v in_o the_o communicant_n and_o therefore_o i_o think_v this_o to_o be_v a_o good_a reason_n the_o meet_a est_fw-fr gesture_n for_o pray_v and_o thanksgiving_n be_v kneel_v but_o those_o that_o receive_v the_o eucharist_n pray_v and_o give_v thank_n ergo_fw-la the_o meet_a gesture_n for_o they_o be_v kneel_v the_o only_a peril_n be_v adoration_n which_o may_v as_o well_o be_v commit_v sit_v or_o stand_v but_o wherefore_o then_o serve_v preach_v there_o be_v as_o much_o danger_n of_o contempt_n the_o one_o way_n as_o there_o be_v of_o adoration_n the_o other_o way_n in_o such_o matter_n christian_a magistrate_n have_v authority_n to_o appoint_v what_o they_o think_v most_o convenient_a and_o the_o same_o must_v be_v observe_v of_o those_o that_o be_v pacifici_fw-la and_o not_o contentiosi_fw-la but_o of_o sit_v and_o kneel_v at_o the_o communion_n more_o be_v to_o be_v speak_v hereafter_o in_o the_o second_o part_n t._n c._n pag._n 131._o sect._n 3_o although_o it_o be_v not_o of_o necessity_n that_o we_o shall_v receive_v the_o communion_n sit_v yet_o there_o be_v the_o same_o cause_n of_o abolish_n kneel_a that_o there_o be_v of_o remove_v the_o wafer_n cake_n and_o if_o there_o be_v danger_n of_o superstition_n in_o one_o as_o m._n doctor_n confess_v why_o be_v there_o not_o danger_n in_o the_o other_o and_o if_o there_o be_v man_n that_o take_v occasion_n to_o fall_v at_o the_o one_o &_o that_o by_o superstition_n how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o m._n doctor_n in_o the._n 180._o pag._n say_v y_z e_z neither_o gospeller_n nor_o papist_n obstinate_a nor_o simple_a can_v superstitios_o offend_v in_o this_o kneel_v when_o as_o the_o kneel_a carry_v a_o great_a show_n of_o worship_n &_o imprint_v in_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o ignorant_a a_o strong_a opinion_n and_o a_o deep_a print_n of_o adoration_n than_o the_o sight_n of_o a_o round_a cake_n and_o if_o kneel_v be_v so_o void_a of_o all_o fault_n as_o m._n doctor_n will_v make_v we_o believe_v how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o in_o king_n edward_n day_n there_o be_v a_o protestation_n add_v in_o the_o book_n of_o prayer_n to_o clear_v that_o gesture_n from_o adoration_n io._n whitgifte_n if_o this_o be_v a_o sufficient_a argument_n to_o alter_v &_o change_v so_o decent_a &_o comely_a a_o order_n and_o gesture_n in_o praise_v god_n then_o what_o order_n can_v stand_v in_o the_o church_n see_v there_o be_v nothing_o that_o may_v not_o be_v abuse_v my_o word_n in_o the._n 180._o pag._n be_v true_a and_o as_o yet_o unanswered_a i_o will_v set_v they_o down_o in_o their_o place_n that_o the_o reader_n may_v perceyve_v how_o little_a you_o be_v able_a to_o say_v against_o they_o the_o protestation_n make_v in_o king_n edward_n day_n touch_v this_o gesture_n be_v to_o satissye_a if_o it_o may_v be_v such_o quareller_n as_o you_o be_v and_o to_o take_v away_o all_o occasion_n of_o cavil_v not_o for_o any_o great_a sear_n of_o adoration_n chap._n 1._o the._n 12._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 131._o sect._n ult._n another_o reason_n why_o kneel_v shall_v be_v take_v away_o be_v for_o that_o sit_v agree_v better_a with_o the_o action_n of_o the_o supper_n whereunto_o m._n doctor_n take_v exception_n both_o in_o this_o place_n and_o where_o he_o speak_v again_o of_o it_o that_o forsomuch_o as_o this_o sacrament_n be_v a_o sacrament_n of_o
beyond_o all_o man_n in_o sauciness_n neither_o bring_v they_o any_o thing_n with_o they_o from_o home_n but_o a_o vain_a &_o intolerable_a contempt_n of_o all_o good_a man_n neither_o can_v they_o abide_v to_o be_v correct_v by_o any_o admonition_n of_o other_o m._n caluine_n speak_v of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n instit._n cap._n 8._o sect._n 120._o say_v thus_o scimus_fw-la politiam_fw-la pro_fw-la varietate_fw-la temporum_fw-la recipere_fw-la imo_fw-la exigere_fw-la varias_fw-la mutationes_fw-la we_o know_v that_o the_o policy_n of_o the_o church_n do_v receive_v nay_o rather_o do_v require_v diverse_a alteration_n beza_n caluine_n beza_n m._n beza_n likewise_o lib._n confess_v cap._n 5._o sect._n 17_o be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n touch_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n there_o be_v another_o cause_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a assembly_n that_o they_o may_v ordain_v canon_n of_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n and_o that_o i_o may_v comprehend_v many_o thing_n in_o few_o word_n that_o they_o may_v appoint_v ecclesiastical_a policy_n for_o the_o diverse_a circumstance_n of_o time_n place_n and_o person_n for_o it_o be_v necessary_a all_o thing_n shall_v be_v do_v orderly_o in_o the_o house_n of_o god_n of_o the_o which_o order_n there_o be_v one_o general_a reason_n to_o be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n but_o not_o one_o and_o the_o same_o form_n agreeable_a to_o all_o circumstance_n and_o section_n 32._o speak_v of_o this_o signiory_n he_o show_v that_o it_o be_v necessary_a in_o the_o church_n while_o there_o be_v no_o christian_a magistrate_n for_o so_o he_o write_v but_o there_o idem_fw-la idem_fw-la be_v elder_n choose_v by_o suffrage_n or_o at_o least_o by_o the_o approbation_n of_o the_o whole_a company_n as_o it_o be_v very_o evident_a out_o of_o ambrose_n which_o complain_v that_o certain_a man_n have_v transfer_v this_o authority_n to_o themselves_o and_o ut_fw-la of_o cyprian_a likewise_o by_o who_o we_o may_v also_o understand_v that_o the_o bishop_n do_v rule_v over_o the_o college_n of_o elder_n not_o that_o he_o shall_v there_o reign_v but_o that_o by_o their_o consent_n he_o may_v rule_v the_o policy_n of_o the_o church_n especial_o for_o so_o much_o as_o at_o that_o time_n the_o church_n of_o africa_n be_v not_o help_v of_o the_o magistrate_n but_o be_v rather_o cruel_o vex_v of_o they_o and_o sect._n 35._o speak_v general_o of_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n he_o say_v neither_o must_v we_o simple_o look_v what_o be_v do_v of_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o government_n idem_fw-la idem_fw-la of_o the_o church_n sing_v there_o be_v most_o diverse_a circumstance_n and_o therefore_o without_o preposterous_a zeal_n all_o thing_n can_v in_o all_o place_n and_o time_n be_v call_v to_o one_o and_o the_o same_o form_n but_o rather_o the_o end_n and_o invariable_a purpose_n of_o they_o must_v be_v look_v unto_o and_o that_o manner_n and_o form_n of_o do_v thing_n be_v to_o be_v choose_v which_o 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