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A93670 Questions propounded for resolution of unlearned Protestants in matter of religion, to the doctours of the prelaticall pretended reformed church of England. Spencer, John, 1601-1671. 1657 (1657) Wing S4957; ESTC R230353 15,605 57

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their meaning I demand secondly a Catalogue precise number of the fundamentall errours in faith that is how many which are those errours in faith which destroy salvation for what helps it a Christian to know that there are such destructive and damnable errours unless he know whether he hold any such errour himself or no And how can he ever be certain of that so long as he is ignorant which are fundamentall errours which not If this Catalogue be refused I demand at least some evident means or marks to distinguish errours in faith destructive of salvation or damnable from others consistent with salvation or veniall which is neither to deny any of the Articles contained in the three Creeds as some Protestants have thought for one of them puts the Procession of the Holy Ghost from the Father and the Son the deniall of which they neither do nor can hold to be a fundamentall errour unless they affirm the Grecian Church to erre fundamentally so denie it to be a true Church of Christ which were quite against the said Protestants seeing they maintain the contrarie Nor is the Creed of the Apostles alone a sufficient rule to determine fully which are fundamentall points which not both because there are some things in it which by reason of the lightness of the matter they contain come not by far so near the radicall and primarie misteries of Christian faith as do many points controverted betwixt Protestants and those of the Roman Church and therefore cannot with any shew of truth be termed fundamentall by Protestants such as are the circumstances of time persons as that our Saviour suffered under Pontius Pilate and no other judge that hee rose the Third and no other day c. And because some points necessarie to the subsistence of Christian faith according to Protestants are not expresly defined in that Creed as that the Holy Scriptures are the divine word of God which is the precise number of the Books of Canonicall Scripture whither there is any written word of God or no or any Sacraments c. so that a Christian finds not all fundamentall points of faith set down expresly in the Apostles Creed Neither is the Scripture a sufficient rule to know which are which are not fundamentall points For there are a thousand nay a million of Truths expressed in Scriptures which touch not immediately the foundation of faith as Protestants term it and no small number of points according to them fundamentall which are not expressed in Scripture as the number of Canonicall Books the entire incorrupt puritie of the originall in any copie or copies which is come to the hands of Protestants c. which in their principles are such points of faith that true faith and consequently salvation cannot be obtained without them For if sole Scripture as they affirme be the rule of faith and all that is in Scripture is to be believed and nothing to be believed but what is in Scripture or evidently deduced from it seeing faith is necessarie to salvation the determinate belief of all that is true Scripture from which only they say the true points of faith are drawn must be necessarie to salvation and so a fundamentall point of faith Thirdly I demand how any Christian can affirm that the denyall of any point of faith whatsoever being sufficiently propounded as such is consistent with salvation seeing all such denyalls or disbeliefs include this damnable malice of attributing falsity to that which is revealed by God himself as all points of faith are how small so ever the matter be which is revealed in them which appears evidently in this example I suppose that this sentence of Scripture Tertiâ die resurget he shall rise again the third day is sufficiently propounded to any one as a point and article of Christian faith as well according to the substance resurget that our Saviour should rise again which Protestants grant to be a fundamentall point as the circumstance of time Tertia die the third day Now suppose that some Christian to whom this whole sentence of Scripture is sufficiently propounded should firmely believe the substance or mysterie of the resurrection because he esteems it to be a fundamentall point but should disbelieve the precise circumstance of time that it was only upon the third and no other day I demand seeing both the one and the other is propounded equally as expresly contained in that sentence of Holy Scripture whither he that disbelieves that the resurrection happened upon the third day and dyes in that belief can be saved Quest 16. I demand farther that seeing S. Paul Hebr. 11. v. 1. says that faith is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} the substance or ground as the Protestant English Bible of Anno 1648. hath it of things hoped for and is reckoned up by the same Apostle Hebr. 6. v. 1. 2. amongst those things which are called by him basis the foundation one of them being Faith to God And the Apostle Ephes. 2. v. 20. sayes we are built {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets which now according to Protestants can be nothing else save the writings of the Prophets and Apostles in Holy Scripture I demand whither to say that some points of Faith are not fundamentall or belonging to the foundation be not as contrarie to common sense as to say that some stone in the foundation of a building belongs not to the foundation or is not fundamentall Quest 33. Further I demand that seeing S. Paul affirms in the fore cited place Hebrews the 6. vers. 2. that laying on of hands amongst many other points is the foundation how Protestants can deny that seeing the laying on of hands is disbelieved and rejected by them in the Sacrament of confirmation and by some in the Administration of Holy Orders as a Popish superstition that such Protestants differre fundamentally or in the foundation from those of the Roman Church or if the laying on of hands belong to the foundation as S. Paul here affirmed why anointing with oyle mentioned by S. Iames should not also be a fundamentall point or why laying on of hands being only as Protestants esteem it a ceremonie not Sacramentall should be here termed the foundatìon and the substance of the Eucharist which all hold to be Sacramentall and more then a meere ceremonie should not be fundamentall or lastly what reason there is to say that laying on of hands hath a nearer connexion to the radicall and prime mysteries of our faith then many other points controverted betwixt Protestants and those of the Roman Church It is yet further demanded seeing Protestants affirme that the whole visible Catholick Church may erre in the definition of points of faith not fundamentall and seeing they affirm that the points in difference betwixt us are not fundamentall and so not necessarie to salvation lastly Seeing they affirm also that the Scriptures may