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A02376	A necessary discourse concerning the right which the house of Guyze pretendeth to the crowne of France. Faithfully translated out of the French; Discours sur le droit prétendu par ceux de Guise sur la couronne de France. English.	Mornay, Philippe de, seigneur du Plessis-Marly, 1549-1623.; Aggas, Edward.; Rosières, François de, 1534-1607. Stemmatum Lotharingiae ac Barri.	1586 (1586)	STC 12508; ESTC S103547	9,699	24

vppon pleasure and added to the eude of his Booke he bringeth in this Albericke Duke of Mosellane whom he pretendeth to be robbed by Merouee speaking in these verses Quaeres Alberi Quae fata parant fili Tantum dissidium ne imperio patris Illustratus agas quod rapiunt truces Meruingi So doth he also induce Charles Duke of Lorraine unploring the ayde of all Christian Princes against Capet and his of spring in these wordes Huc huc adeste ●ortes quique principes Huc aduolate quaeso Reges ac Duces Ecquis feret vestrum fati insolentiam c. Capetus ille inuasor Regni Gallici Lothario Francorum Rege mortuo Heu me satum quidem antiqua prosapia Quondam illius magni ac Insinis Caroli Armis volens procul expellere c. The conclusion whereof is Vnum mihi superest vt vindicem Deum Expectem in hisce a●gustijs As if with Dido in Virgil he would say Exoriare aliquis nostris ex ossibus vltor I will here omit infinite other speeches which he ouerthwarteth to the misprision of the race of the Capets likewise his pretendings to Anieow Prouince Naples c. preiudicially to this Crowne which also he striueth for so much as he may But the commendations which with the cōtempt of our King he attributeth to the Guyzes of our time may not be dissembled The affayres of France sayth he had good successe vnder the gouernment of the Cardinall of Lorraine but after his decease Henry now raigning grew out of fauour with his subiects because that soone after the Cardinal of Guyze had anoynted him giuing himself to his pleasures he ruled all things after his owne fancie which are the meanes to effeminate and abase a Kings heart thus began France to be wrinckled and euery thing to runne into ruyne Speaking of the late Lord Prince of Conde he did sayth he all that he might to attaine to the tyrannie Also after the death of King Frances the second be and his associates were suffered to depart without correctiō Neither doth he of the Kings late brother or the King of Nauarre speake much more modestly But whereto all this except to the ende to declare the King through his negligence and the Princes of his blood for their supposed Rebellion for euer vnworthy the Crowne Also that as their Preachers haue sufficiently cryed out euery one may in these miseries which vnto man are as spurres to nouelties cast their eyes vppon these pretended after twigges or bourgeons of Charlemaigne Howbeit herein I haue onely vndertaken to open the Authors purpose in his Booke as also the entents of those that procured it to bee printed and whosoeuer will take the paine to reade it may finde much more Neuerthelesse least any should deceiue themselues I will briefly in fewe wordes examine the groundes of this succession He fetcheth his Dukes of Mosellane out of the Troyan horse with the Francons In what credible Historie hath he found it He maketh Albericke Duke of Mosellane sonne to Clodio le Cheuelu and defrauded of the Realme by Merouee where can he shewe that except in a few supposed Genealogies of Lorrain notwithstanding toward the end of his fables hee quoteth many Authors to make a shewe who all speake neuer a worde thereof But what will he say to those Histories that make Merouee the sonne of Clodio or how could he bee other then the eldest sith he was of age sufficient to be tutor to Alberick And which is more how can Albericke complaine that Merouee robbed him of the Crowne of Frāce when if we will beleeue the best Historographers Merouee was the first Francon that euer bare title of King in France But let vs graunt them all their fables from Clodulph Duke of Mosellane vnto Bona wife to Charles Duke of Lorraine yet how could the mariage of her bring to him Clodulphes right to the Crowne when the Salick law which was originary Frēch and made with the Counsaile of Pharamond excludeth the female frō the succession thereof Or admit Charles Duke of Lorraine was wrongfully defrauded of the succession of Charlemaign by Hugh Capet and his posteritie yet discending they will graunt that Ottho his only sonne dyed without issue but if contrary to the Salick law they will admit daughters to succeede let them shewe vs some reason why the house of Lorraine should bee preferred before our Kings sith themselues holde opinion that they all discended of one and the same daughter But if they wil hould them to Geoffrey le Barbu Earle of Ardenne whom Ottho adopted what neede they bring in these daughters Besides where finde they this adoption or in what Court was it euer exēplefied yea or how dare they auowe that it was then purposed to extend to the Crowne of France And as for that of Eustace of Boulogne who séeth not therin manifest fraude sith themselues 〈…〉 neither author nor title yea and are euen 〈…〉 who Godfrey of Buillon was also 〈…〉 were he or Eustace whom Geoffrey le 〈…〉 Where also they labour to proue that this Eustace was both by father and mother discoured of Charlemaigne to what purpose may it serue 〈…〉 was but by daughters vnlesse in subuerting the Satick lawe to habandon this Realme for a pray not to the Lorraines onely or to the Ard●●●●s but also to all the families in Europe that haue bene allied to the house of Fraunce Moreouer although Isabell maried with Renee of Anieow and Poland with Frederick Earle of Vaudemont yet who can affirme that therby they transported to their heires of Lorraine or Guyze the rights of Clodio and Charlemaigne which themselues were not capable of neither did transport although they had had the same These therefore are but fables wherwith in the meane time they feede the people blemishing so much as in them lyeth our Salick law as false and purposedly inuented Moreouer notwithstanding all their pretences which are most false were true yet after that an Estate is established in a familie by lawfull calling and approbation of the Commonwealth and people and that for so many hundred yeeres it is a manifest token that God against whom it is in vaine to striue and to whose decree all people ought to cōdiscend hath transferred such a Realme or Estate into that familie But because many an euident right hath decayed for lacke of power and many a wrong hath preuayled against right through default of strength to authorize the same the especiall poynt consisteth in debarring them from accompanying their fraud with force especially with our own as many tymes haue fallen out through the calamities of Ciuill warres which doe yeeld the people vnpatient of their present estate and starueth them after nouelties This discourse haue I thought good to direct to your Maiestie not for your self onely but also for others that haue great interest therein and to whose lot it will peraduenture fall to haue the deciding of this quarrell or els to leaue it ouerstrong for their successors vnlesse they before take order for the same And I beseech God to graunt them good coūsaile to his glorie the preseruation of their greatnesse and the benefite of the poore people Amen FINIS In his summary before the 4. tome

A necessary Discourse concerning the right which the house of Guyze pretendeth to the Crowne of France Faithfully translated out of the French AT LONDON Imprinted for Edward Aggas 1586. A discourse concerning the pretended right of the house of Guyze to the house of France IT is commonly knowne thorowout this Realme that the house of Lorraine attributeth to it self the right of y e Crowne of France to y e prouing whereof such Chronickles and Genealogies as in y e daies of the late King Henry the second they falsified might easily be recouered as also the consultations by them holden concerning their title in the tyme of the late King Frances the second together with those remembrances which in the raigne of the late King Charles the ninth yea and euen vnto this day haue bene scattered among the people still aduancing by such deuises their practizes and deuises according as the subuertion of this poore Estate doth seeme to growe on by meanes of Ciuill Warres where through the lawfull Princes power beeing deminished the sinewes weakened and the path to nouelties prepared they haue promised to them selues place in their pretended seate by thrusting forth of those whom they accompt vsurpers These matters hauing many tymes bene opened to their Maiesties they haue bene so farre from beleeuing them to bee other then sclanders inuented vpon some similitudes of trueth by such as maliced or enuied this famelie that the same notwithstanding they haue committed into their hands as well the weapons as authoritie royall yea and vnder pretence of Romish Religion haue permitted them to practize Leagues in this Estate that is to prepare their factions and partakers to the first occasion and as it were to make tryall of the Crowne upon their heades which haue so hartened some Doctors of Sarbonne that they haue presumed in argument to graunt that a Prince or King fayling in his duetie to the Romish Church may by the same be dispossessed of his Crowne yea and some Munckes to the contempt of the King and derogation of the Princes of his blood haue preached forth the praises of those vndertwigges or borgeons as they terme them of Charlemaigne admonishing their auditors to cast their eyes vpon them as vpon the perfect restorers of the Church and Estate all which notwithstanding no man hath had regarde thereto or controulled such presumption as if the fortune of this Realme were growne fatally to bee dismembred in these our daies and that properly by this famelie To the ende therefore to cut off all doubtes and manifestly to enter into consideration and notice of this matter I am most humbly to beseech my Lord the King and all Princes which haue the honor to apperteine vnto him diligently to peruse a Booke intituled the Genealogies of Lorrain Barr which 〈◊〉 lately printed at Paris wherein they shall euen word by word finde the same to haue bene published at this tyme to the onely ende to enstruct euery one in the pretended right of the house of Lorraine to this Crowne and of such iniurie as they suppose that the house of France doth vnto them thereby to prepare the people against that alteration which they imagine to bee at hand shall fall out But because the vollume is large the poyson diuersly dispersed through all parts cloked and couered vnder sundry fables I haue thought good herein worde for word to examine and note the principall points and groundes thereof This Booke is written in Latin by one Frances of Roziers of Bar-le-duc Archdeacon of Thoul in Lorrain and dedicated to my Lord of Lorrain which also to the ende it may haue the more free passage is printed with y e Kings Priuiledge by one William Chaudier a Printer To come therefore to the matter It is euidently knowne y t since the Francons first inhabited Frāce by them surnamed Gaule we haue had three stocks of Kinges to raigne ouer vs. viz. Merouingians discended of Merouee Carlinghes proceeding from Charlemaigne and Capetz whose posteritie doth yet raigne in our Kings as also it is not vnknowne that the Lorraines doe pretende to the Crowne as heyres to Charlemaigne but if this Author may be beleeued the same is to them due euen from the Croyan horse whereof Merouee and his posteritie defrauded them before any of these three families had interest therein so as by that Lawe which saith there is no prescription against the Church or Prince all our Kings from the first to the last haue bene vsurpers and the true heire to the French Crowne remained in the family of the Dukes of Mosellane from whom the house of Lorraine doe fetch their originall These are the Authors very wordes in the third Booke Capitall iest 44. 45. c. Pharamond who first brought the Francons into France had by his wife Basine daughter to the K. of Thuring sundry children of whom the eldest was Clodio le Cheuelu or the hearie This Clodio among the rest had two sonnes Ranchair and Alberick Ranchair had three sonnes Ranchair the second Richer and Rainald who long tyme kept the Countrey of Cambray against the Merouingians but were in the ende subdued by the power of Clouis K. of Fran̄ce who with his own hands murdered them as before hee had done their father Ranchair the first Thus fell the right of eldership to Alberick the second sonne of Clodio who notwithstāding he was K. of the East Frenchmen did not neuerthelesse succeede his father Clodio because Merouee had gotten the Crowne This poore Alberick after his fathers decease retired into the lands of Aussois Moselle and Arden c. where so well as he might he kept himselfe out of the way from their furie Againe Consider with your selues the case of this poore Prince who being of the Royall familie was not onely depriued of his Realme but also through the crueltie of Merouce who sought vtterly to roote out the race of Clodio forced to hide himselfe wherefore he withdrewe himselfe to Montz in Henault there to expect the issue of the tyrannie of Merouee and his posteritie after hee had in vaine had recourse to the armie of Attila for his reestablishment But if you aske him of whence this Merouee the vsurper of the Crowne frō the predecessors of the Lorrains and the first originall of our Kings of France was he was saith he a bastard to Clodio or as others affirme a Capteyn or kinsman of his who by Clodio him selfe being made tutor to his childrē in respect of their youth defrauded the pupilles of their estate Then he goeth on and saith Vaubert discending from Clodio by this Alberick was ouerthrowne by Clotaire K. of France who was in feare least he should obteyne the Crowne but was forcibly againe restored by Thierry K. of the Ostrogoths Likewise that this ofspring of Merouee namely the race of Clouis seeing Ansbert the sonne of Vaubert to be a man of great hope seking to establish their Kingdome endeuoured to put him to death but he being