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A32898	An old apostate justly exposed his treachery to the Holy God, his truth and people manifested, his great wickedness and uncleanness (which, by false covers, he has endeavoured to hide) laid open to the shame of him, and all his abettors : in a short answer, or some brief remarks, upon a very scandalous book lately published, stiled, The spirit of Quakerism, and the danger of their divine revelation laid open, subscribed, Henry Winder : also the nameless publisher therof, as justly reprehended for his enmity and great malice, in abusing an innocent people, by heaps of most gross lies, slanders, base insinuations and inferences, frothy and scurrilous scoffs and taunts, so void of Christianity, that probably no man, with a name, would undertake / by Thomas Camm.	Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707.	1698 (1698)	Wing C396; ESTC R21826	31,372	63

was except what I said before of Mary Dawson Answ I observe how high and strange he chargeth but very low and feeble in Proof the great Party of Friends ends only in J. S. with an c. one who is many Years since in his Grave as is all or most else whom he dares to charge by Name on any account in his said Book who are no ways capable of making Defence though never so much wronged and abused And his many other Quakers Ends with especially their Husbands meaning the three Women and for the many Quakers that approved the said Women and whose Love turned into Envy and cankered Malice From whence he would most falsly insinuate sprung the said Tragedy and that he was made the Quakers Mark to shoot at he names not one So that it 's evident that he fails and comes off very meanly in proving that either the Quakers in general or a great part of them or any part of them was any ways concerned in what he endeavours through Malice to fasten upon them And though the Quakers and others may suppose him guilty of many vile and gross things and by him under his own Hand acknowledged and confessed yet notwithstanding never owned the said three Women in their Complaints to Magistrates in order to prosecute him at Law but I and all other of our Friends so far as I know or have heard disowned them therein from the very first of their appearance therein and I challenge H. W. to name any one of our Friends living if he can of whom he can prove the contrary Besides we can make appear under the Hands of some of those three in the time of their Imprisonment that we had disowned them in their Proceedings aforesaid they then complaining how it added to their then Sufferings because we then could not own them therein So that it 's evident it's cankered Malice in H. W. to charge the Quakers in being concerned in the said Endeavours of Prosecution at Law knowing that though he may prove never so guilty of what the three Women charges against him yet they misled the way of Truth in their Complaints and endeavours of Prosecution aforesaid for what as notoriously appeared ought to have been by them left to the Censure of that Church or Community he had some time walked amongst and made profession to be of and the rest to him to whom Secrets belongs who knoweth things and will judge Righteously And it hath been and is my present Sense That the wicked One who had led this H. W. into such gross Evils did by the occasion of their endeavouring Prosecution in the way aforesaid harden his Heart to turn against them as much as in him lay to rend and tear them in Revenge and not only so but to calumniate and asperse the Truth and those that walk in it For it 's observable That before their endeavours of Prosecution in that way aforesaid not only those three Women but several other of our Friends found him more soft and tender making such Acknowledgments and Confessions as before inserted and some more which for good Reasons I shall not now publish nor incline thereto if H. W. minister not just occasion therefore as before said And in as much as these three Persons missed the way of Truth in their Endeavours of Prosecution in the way aforesaid and was disowned by all our Friends that I know of Then how unjust is H. W. notwithstanding to charge us with what we are so innocent and clear of Which declares him the Person guilty of the Malice that eats like a Canker Now I hope the honest and unprejudiced Reader will be fully and clearly satisfied by what 's before said that what H. W. pretends to be the Reasons of his deserting us are false and feigned and that he is very unjust in charging the Quakers in the endeavours of Prosecution aforesaid and that the Envy of the Quakers was the ground thereof the contrary being made appear Neither can I in Charity conclude That either Envy or Malice in the said three Persons was the ground of their so endeavouring Prosecution as aforesaid but rather an hot Indignation and ungoverned Zeal against his abominable and gross Uncleanness I now come to examine what he concludes in his said Postscript before hinted viz. If it was not the Envy and Malice of the Quakers for deserting That was the ground of what he calls the Tragedy he knows not what was except he what said before of M. D. Answ The Man is hard beset put to all his shifts yet when he should conclude knows not where nor upon what So uncertain is he That it must be either this or that else he knows not what And though it be neither this viz. the Quakers Envy and Malice nor that relating to M. D. I shall tell him the true Cause thereof viz. First his vile Uncleanness Secondly an hot Indignation an ungoverned Zeal in the three Persons aforesaid against that his shameful and vile Uncleanness And the Quakers clear of both But to proceed I shall for the Information of the Reader and clearing Truth as also to discover the poor sorry fallacious shifts of this Man to his shame and confusion I say I shall for the Reasons aforesaid examine what relates to M. D. as I find it in the 13th and 14th Pages of his said Book under a Note as some remarkable Passage which take as followeth viz. Note That this Mary Langhorne was formerly the Wife of John Dawson of Hutton-John after whose Death she did at divers times express to H. W. then a Widower her great affection and desire to have him for her Husband but his Love was set on her younger I suppose it should be younger Sister Ann his present Wife so rejected Mary's Solicitations Which inraged her to that degree that ever after her Anger was implacable c. Answ It 's before manifested under what Circumstances she that 's now his Wife was at the death of his first Wife even so big with Child to him that she was delivered thereof about six Weeks after and he married to her before that time of her delivery how many Days or Weeks I know not however it 's evident he was not a Widower above five or six Weeks perhaps less so that M. D. had a very short time to solicite him and several times to express her great Affection and Desire to have him for her Husband as he faith But looks as like a great Lye as may be which will further appear by what follows His first Wife I find to be buried the 24th of the third Month commonly called May and she that 's now his Wife was about that time greatly suspected to be with Child by him as well she might being then so far gone therewith but upon the 2d of the 4th Month called June next and immediately following it was fully discovered and known unto her Sister Mary and Relations to be with Child by

AN Old APOSTATE Justly Exposed His Treachery to the Holy God his Truth and People MANIFESTED His great Wickedness and Uncleanness which by False Covers he has Endeavoured to hide laid open to the Shame of him and all his Abettors In a short Answer or some Brief Remarks upon a very Scandalous Book lately Published Stiled The Spirit of Quakerism and the Danger of their Divine Revelation laid open Subscribed Henry Winder ALSO The Nameless Publisher thereof as justly Reprehended for his Enmity and great Malice in Abusing an Innocent People by heaps of most Gross Lies Slanders Base Insinuations and Inferences Frothy and Scurrilous Scoffs and Taunts so void of Christianity that probably no Man with a Name would Undertake By THOMAS CAMM London Printed and Sold by T. Sowle next Door to the Meeting-house in White-Hart-Court in Gracious-street and at the Bible in Leaden-hall-street near the Market 1698. The Dog is turned to his own vomit again and the Sow that was washed to her wallowing in the Mire 2. Pet. 2.22 They went out from us but they were not of us c. John 2.19 Raging Waves of the Sea foaming out their own Shame c. Jude 13. Behold he Travelleth with Iniquity and hath conceived Mischief and brought forth Falshood he made a Pit and digged it and is fallen into the Ditch which he made his Mischief shall return upon his own Head and his Violent Dealing shall come down upon his own Pate Psal 7.14 15 16. THE PREFACE TO THE Impartial Reader IF thou hast Seen or Read a Book lately Published Stiled The Spirit of Quakerism and the Danger of their Divine Revelation laid open Subscribed Hen. Winder then be pleased to suspend giving Judgment upon the Matter thereof until thou hast Read and duly Considered the Contents of what follows being a short Answer or some brief Remarks upon the most material Passages in that Book Levelled against the Truth and those People commonly called Quakers Remember what the Wise Man saith viz. He that is first in his own Cause seemeth Just but his Neighbour cometh and searcheth him If thou judge that I have been close upon the Author and have exposed him to publick view consider that he has been the occasion And what is written in Holy Scripture must be fulfilled viz. The Wickedness of the Wicked must return upon his own Head and he that hides his Sins cannot Prosper I confess I was Astonished to see the Subscriber before named grown so Impudent Hard since I had some small knowledge of him many Years past while he seemed to be of us and before he fell into such gross Vncleanness And have seen yea having by me several of his Confessions and Acknowledgments not only of his great Sins and Transgressions but also to the Truth and Way thereof and that the Quakers are the People that walk therein I say I was Astonished to see the Man now grown so Seared as to give himself the Lie and appear in Print against the Truth and Innocent People thereof with that Inconsiderateness and Fury which manifests him to be one of them Evil Men who grows worse and worse and to have entertained again that Evil Spirit that was in some measure once cast out and with him seven times worse which makes his latter end much worse than his beginning I shall not take notice of all his long Narrative but such as chiefly Reflects upon the Truth and People of God called Quakers My Intent and Aim being to Vndeceive or Inform them who have believed his False Reports and Deceitful Slanderous Insinuations against the Truth and Principle thereof which we Profess As also to Detect his false Pretences in his going from Truth and Vs and deserting that Profession that once he made thereof with us by demonstrating the True Cause thereof neither shall I Justifie the Three Women in any thing wherein they missed the Line of Truth which to his Conscience is known we never owned them in though he would now being filled with Enmity Falsly Insinuate we did in order to Prejudice the Minds of People against that Way of Truth from which he is now fallen through Sin and Wickedness And for a Cover thereto as also to gratifie such amongst them with whom he is now joyned as Lusts to be Envious and whose Fingers Itches to be at their old Work of Persecution being angry at the Liberty we now through God's Great Mercy enjoy as to our Religious Duties from the present Government for which we desire ever to be Thankful in all Grateful Acknowledgments How aptly what follows doth answer to what is before proposed I leave to thee Impartial Reader to Judge Recommending thee to the Guidance of the Vnerring Spirit that gives a good Vnderstanding and Leads into all Truth And that thou and all Men might come under the Guidance and Government thereof is the Earnest Desire of him who wisheth Good to all Men. Thomas Camm AN Old Apostate Justly Exposed c. Hen. Winder WILL not thy own Back-sliding Correct thee and is it not a Dreadful Thing that thou should so far harden thy Heart against God and the Convictions of his Spirit in thy own Conscience for thy great and manifold Sins so as to grow as Evil Men always do worse and worse making Shipwrack of Faith and a Good Conscience being Seared as with an Hot Iron to the fulfilling the Testimony of Holy Scripture upon thee viz. Because Judgment from God has not been speedily Executed thy heart has been more set to do Evil Thy Book if it be thine as by thee Subscribed and as I hear in part owned to be so I have seen read and considered of and find thy Enmity great and thy said Book chiefly bent against the Truth and People called Quakers and to Expose an Innocent People to the Fury and Scorn of Malicious Men such as the nameless Publisher thereof For if thou had bent thy self only against those thou names as Injurers of thee since they missed in their Management in that they Charge thee with whether all true or not we leave to him who knows all things and is the Searcher of all Hearts yet I should not have concerned my self on this wise but finding that through their Sides thou endeavourest to strike at Truth against which thou cannot prevail and the Principle thereof born Testimony unto by those Innocent People called Quakers I proceed to take notice of thy Book as followeth First thy Title is The Spirit of Quakerism An old Nickname more beseeming one that had never born the name of a Quaker than thee that once did and to what follows viz. The danger of their Divine Revelation c. Divine Revelation the Quakers own it 's Scripture Doctrine without it none can come to the True and Saving Knowledge of the Only True God and his Son Jesus Christ whom he hath sent whom to know is Life Eternal For it 's the Testimony of Holy Scripture That no Man knows the Father

Impudent Wretch And in Page 2. he saith That not long after came M. L. with the same Message And further in the same Page he saith We opposed them to Convince if possible by all the Arguments we could use that their pretended Revelations came from the Devil And in Page 3. Calls them Poor Deluded Creatures False Prophetesses and that he thought the Devil had led them so far that he could not bring them off without Confusion and Shame Now Reader I say again be pleased to compare what I have above Cited out of the three first Pages of his Narrative with what I have before taken out of their two Papers relating to Margaret Bradley and then consider when and in what time we shall believe H. W. and his Wife whether in what they say in their Narrative in the Pages aforesaid which they pretend was spoken in the Year 1673. or in their Papers written in 1674. the Year next following since they so positively Contradict each other For in the first Year 1673. She the said M. B. is an Impudent Wretch that her Message or Revelation came from the Devil a Deluded Creature a False Prophetess one that the Devil had in H. W. and his Wife's Thoughts led so far that he could not bring her back without Shame and Confusion c. But in their Paper under their Hands and owned as before said written in the Year 1674. next following fully contradicts what they would now say or pretend was spoken in the Year before for in this later Year she viz. Margaret Bradley is God's Messenger to them a Faithful Servant of God a Lover of their Souls one who Travelled in Pain for them desires that the Lord may Reward her for her Faithfulness between the Lord and them And concludes with that no doubt but the Lord hath already Rewarded her c. Now Considerate Reader which of the two is to be believed as true first or last or both which cannot be being so absolutely Contrary except they grant they wronged her in the first and that she was still what in the latter they say if they had rightly understood her and her Message and if the first be true and that she was worthy of such Vile Terms in 1673. then how comes she to deserve such an Honourable Character in 1674. was not her Message still the same if they alledge she was become a better yea a good Woman will that do no not to reconcile the the Contradiction before the Message being still the same and if the last be true and to be Believed as by them Subscribed to and since owned as before said written in 1674. then how will H. W. justifie his Prosecution of her at Law upon the Score of the said Message But I observe the Serpents Way is very Crooked full of Deceitful Doubles and he Deceives all at last who follow him by leading them where they cannot return without Shame and Confusion where the Reader may see he hath led H. W. and his Wife the old Proverb is Liers ought to have a good Memory And may it not be reasonably concluded by what is before said that it was the real Sense of H. W. and his Wife when their Papers were written they being then under the Sence of the Righteous Judgments of God for their great Sins viz. in the Year 1674. before they had hardened their Hearts against the Lord and that what is pretended to be spoken in the Year 1673. is but only Stuff through Enmity and Malice since entered into their Hearts against the Truth and God's People and now Introduced to Amuse and Deceive the Unwary Reader and with more colour to reflect upon and asperse an Innocent People as also to hide and cover their great Wickedness And in as much as they are Witnesses under their own Hands That she viz. M. B. was a Servant of God and his Messenger to them in 74. What notice is to be taken or credit to be given to what in the Year before is now pretended to be spoken upon her said Message but to be exploded and looked upon as the product of great Enmity against the Truth and People from which he is fallen and to Gratifie his Assistants and Abettors such as his Wife saith urged or put them upon Writing and Publishing in Print else they had never done it who together with them will justly for their pains reap Infamy and Shame For the Wickedness of the Wicked will return upon his own Head And if she was a Faithful Servant of the Lord and his Messenger to them as they say under their Hands in their said Papers I ask H. W. and his Wife what was the Message she brought them Was it what they have Inserted in their said Book which she Charged them with Then I further query of them how they will evade the matter of Fact Charged against them therein or excuse themselves from the Guilt thereof since they say She was to them God's Messenger c. For I find no other Message or Charge Inserted in the said Book Charged against the said M. B. and other two Women except what he mentions in Page 11. viz. They meaning the three Women or some of them had new Revelations saith he That I was guilty of the Death of some Person nearly Related to them and me But who this Person was or how Related either to them or him he mentions not but leaves his Reader in the Dark Wherefore I now Query if it was his first Wife he means for sure she was or at least ought to have been nearly Related to him but such Dishonest and Unfaithful Men to their Wives as he who loudly Lusts after others cannot Love or be so nearly Related to their own Wives as they ought to be and if it be his first Wife he means and yet Conceals her it might be Policy I will not say Wisdom except Devilish lest the nameing her might revive that Jealousie of wrong to her upon her sudden and unexpected Death and the Circumstances before Related That she that was his then and his now Wife was then under O how Gross things looks And it 's Irksome to me to meddle in such Dirty Stuff if it were not to wipe it off the Innocent and cast it back where it ought to stick wherefore I shall take notice of another great Circumstance of more Wickedness than was clearly Discovered That is that when the Sisters and near Relations of her that is now Wife to H. W. was Jealous of her being with Child about the time of the Death of H. W's first Wife and she thereupon being questioned yet stoutly denied they for better Satisfaction did search her and found Milk in her Breasts which I suppose is commonly taken amongst Women for an undoubted Token of being with Child except such as give Suck And their pressing that as a Certain Token of her being so yet she to blind them and to hide if she could her Condition replied

as he is in the Light we have Fellowship one with another and the Blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin 1 John 1.7 So that till H. W. turn to this Light come to walk in it even that which did not only manifest his Sin but reproved and condemned him therefore and through the Convictions whereof he was made in time past before he that led him into Sin had hardened his Heart to confess his Sins and Transgressions that he would now hide and cover I say till he come again to this Light and incline to walk in it all his outward Ordinances will never cleanse him nor make him a better Man let him apply himself never so much thereto And I shall now advise him to look back at his Work and consider the Effects thereof and see what Reproach he has brought upon himself being fallen into the foul Pit of Infamy and Shame that he had digged for others endeavouring to Criminate the Innocent Quakers he has exposed his own Crimes would God that he and his Wife might yet see their sad and dismal Estate and consider whence they are fallen and repent and do their first Works and so find a place of Repentance if happily they have not so added Sin to Sin and Rebellion to their great Wickedness knowingly so as to provoke a merciful and long-suffering God to make them Examples of his Wrath and fiery Indignation the eternal Portion of such wicked and impenitent Sinners which add Sin to Sin till the Measure of their Iniquity be filled up and it be said Go ye cursed into everlasting fire One thing more is to be taken notice of for the Information of the Reader that is part of his Title-Page viz. Their malicious Prosecution of H. W. and his Wife as Murtherers at the Publick Assize at Carlisle I Answer It 's very fallaciously worded so may deceive the unwary Reader who may therefrom conclude That there was some legal Prosecution that H. W. had been Called and Arraigned at the Barr had had a Trial and the Issue of a Jury and so an Assize Business when indeed there was no such thing if there had we should have it to the full or more For in Page 6. They stretch things to the height Which amounteth to thus much That H. W. and his Wife was there and the three Women also That the Women drew up their Accusations in Writing against H. W. and Wife and cast them in Towns and Streets that must be before they came at Carlisle at Carlisle gave one of their Papers to the judge and he only bid them proceed according to Law and they should have Justice That both Parties staid all the time of the Assizes And all else that the Women did was that they bid H. W. and his Wife fear God This is the Prosecution in full as in the 6th Page before is by H. W. given A very small Prosecution if it may properly be called One The Woman gave the Judge one of their Papers and bid H. W. and his Wife fear God Who would have thought reading the Title-Page as it is worded but that their had been a formal Prosecution at the Assizes And if the Man had meant honestly we doubt not but he would have qualified the word Prosecution with Endeavours or Attempts of Prosecution For all that was done by the said three Women at those Assizes can in t e greatest strictness amount to no more Thus having taken notice of what I thought most material in his Book which in any respect reflected upon Us the People called Quakers or the Holy Church which we make profession of wiping off the Dirt he throws at Us turns it back upon himself stripping off his deceitful Covers and exposeth him to the view of all to be a very unclean Man an angry Apostate demonstrating wherein the three Women missed the way of Truth and was disowned therein All which as before inserted I now freely submit and leave to the impartial and honest Reader 's Censure and Judgment and the Issue to the Lord And shall now begin to say something to the nameless Publisher But first I shall note unto the Reader That since I began the foregoing Answer to H. W. I am informed that there is already something published in Print by another Hand by way of Answer thereto in a Postscript to another nameless Author who like this Publisher has vilely abused the Quakers Now to what the nameless Publisher adds to the same Book subscribed by H. W. is such a Piece as I remember not that I have before read the like from any of our many envious Opposers and malicious Detracters Being such a Piece of down right Railery stuffed with Lyes gross Slanders ungodly Perversions base insinuations and most sordid and perverse Inferences yea Blasphemy and Contradictions idle Stories frothy and scurrilous Taunts that to trace particularly in every thing would be a tedious Work and more than I think needful till he appear to own what he has charged by giving us his Name who in the concealing of the same may think himself secure yet will render him and his Work very suspicious of great Injustice and Falshood thereby and so s●eakingly to charge that to wise thinking and judicious Readers it might be sufficient without any Answer yet for the sake of the unwary and too credulous Readers and for the better Information of such as by this his Work and the like has entertained Prejudice against the Truth and the Principle and Profession thereof as testified unto by the People commonly called Quakers and as a just Rebuke upon him for his ungodly Work I shall take notice of part thereof at present not fearing his Roll of 13 Ells or what else he mentions in his Preface though it prove as bad and as full of Envy as what he has here exposed against us The Method I propose for brevity sake is first to draw a Catalogue List or Schedule of some of his down-right Lyes and false Slanders as I find them packed up thick and threefold in his and H. W's Book and leave them at his Door as such with some short Remarks subjoyned challenging him if he can or dare appear as a Man with his Name to come forth to the Vindication or Proof thereof till which I look upon my self either on behalf of Truth or the People I own and walk amongst under no farther necessity of Answering Which Catalogue List or Schedule take as followeth under the Title of Gross Lyes and Slanders of the nameless Publisher of H. W's Book At his very Entrance of what he adds in the Postscript he begins with a Lye 1. I find the Quakers in open Discord c. Answ The Discord is betwixt the Quakers and Apostates such as H. W. c. and their Abettors And we have Divine Authority and Primitive Example in denying such Fellowship with us 2. Who cannot Err c. Meaning the Quakers Answ We never said so