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2._o p._n 244._o that_o the_o cause_n be_v to_o be_v refer_v unto_o the_o judge_n who_o it_o concern_v and_o who_o be_v after_o mention_v that_o they_o may_v either_o ratify_v the_o election_n or_o make_v it_o frustrate_v now_o in_o the_o ecclesiastical_a polity_n these_o judge_n be_v no_o other_o than_o class_n or_o synod_n whereof_o he_o afterward_o speak_v and_o this_o their_o abrogate_a and_o make_v void_a a_o unlawful_a election_n be_v a_o power_n more_o than_o simple_a admonition_n iii_o whereas_o mr_n cartwr_n here_o say_v that_o if_o either_o the_o church_n round_o about_o do_v fail_v of_o this_o duty_n or_o the_o church_n which_o be_v admonish_v rest_v not_o therein_o then_o to_o bring_v it_o to_o the_o next_o synod_n etc._n etc._n hereupon_o 173._o hereupon_o def._n of_o answ_n to_o admon_n p._n
part_n deny_v the_o authority_n of_o particular_a eldership_n as_o we_o see_v in_o the_o brownist_n and_o therefore_o after_o private_a admonition_n do_v in_o a_o popular_a order_n refer_v the_o judgement_n even_o of_o lesser_a matter_n unto_o the_o public_a examination_n and_o decision_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n assemble_v together_o not_o permit_v the_o same_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o eldership_n mr_n baynes_n do_v also_o impugn_v this_o practice_n for_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o rule_n of_o discipline_n matt._n 18._o where_o christ_n do_v manifest_o suppose_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n to_o be_v in_o many_o yet_o after_o some_o other_o observation_n touch_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o word_n church_n he_o further_o explain_v himself_o when_o he_o add_v these_o note_n and_o say_v 80._o say_v diocese_n trial_n p._n 80._o three_o as_o christ_n do_v speak_v it_o of_o any_o ordinary_a particular_a church_n indistinct_o so_o he_o do_v by_o the_o name_n of_o church_n not_o 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occasion_n of_o the_o dissension_n iv_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o primitive_a church_n at_o their_o first_o constitution_n by_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o independent_a body_n in_o a_o special_a respect_n more_o than_o any_o in_o our_o time_n because_o they_o be_v then_o subject_a to_o the_o extraordinary_a government_n by_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n who_o beside_o that_o which_o they_o do_v in_o ordinary_a course_n of_o judgement_n with_o the_o church_n concurrence_n as_o 1._o cor._n 5._o have_v also_o of_o themselves_o extraordinary_a authority_n and_o power_n grant_v unto_o they_o over_o all_o church_n for_o the_o correct_v of_o the_o wicked_a therein_o as_o appear_v 1._o cor._n 4.21_o 2._o cor._n 10.2_o 3_o 6_o 8_o 10._o act._n 5.9_o 10._o 3._o joh._n 10._o reas._n ix_o 77._o ix_o churc_n plea_n p._n 77._o by_o the_o title_n give_v to_o all_o particular_a congregation_n it_o appear_v evident_o that_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v or_o at_o least_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o 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