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A75872	An answer to a book, titled, Quakers principles quaking: subscribed by the name of one Ralph Hale, with an epistle (so called) to the reader, subscribed with the name of one Zachariah Crofton. A principle of darkness, deceit, and confusion in Ralph Hale, and his fellow labourer in Sathans work Zachariah Crofton, is discovered by the Quakers principle, and the Quakers principle doth stand against the power of darkness, and all the false principles in the world, them to discover and lay open. The book was said to be modestly propounded by Ralph Hale, but in it I found so many lies, slanders, and false accusations, with confused, vain, and frivolous words, as many of them is not worth mentioning; yet, lest the author should boast in his mischief, I shall lay down somthing in answer to some few of them, in respect of the number of them. / A servant to the least in the houshold of faith, and the lest amonst his brethren, whose name in the flesh is William Adamson.	Addamson, William, 17th cent.	1656 (1656)	Wing A501; Thomason E897_3; ESTC R206690	24,865	37

Hale I have perused thy book over and in the front or first words that I found thou seems to me very highly to boast of some great piece of work done by thee by which the Quakers principles as thou calls them were like to be overthrown Titleing thy Book Quakers Principles quaking But now if it fall out with thee as it did with Haman thou maist blame thy self for it and if thy own weapons do cut off the head of thy boasting then remember what David did to Goliah Hale And in the Title page thou saith Modestly propounded by Ralph Hale an affectionate lover of Truth Admirer of sincere saving light c. Answ Ralph Hale If this be thy modesty in which thou hast propounded this stuff in thy book thou may yet go and learn what modesty is for here all may take notice of thy gross darkness and confusion Th●u sai h thou loves the Truth and yet admires of sincere saving light I say observe these following words Christ said I am the Truth and the Life John 14.6 and John said That life was the light of men John 1.4 and Christ himself said I am the light John 8.12 Observe here Christ said I am the Truth and Christ said I am the light and to us this light is sincere true and saving though thou admires thereof as thou saith Now all may take notice what love thou hast to the truth that puts a difference between the truth and the light and saith Thou art a lover of the one and yet an admirer of the other but if thou had loved the truth or known it thou had loved the sincere saving light also for Christ is the Truth and Chr st is the sincere saving light and thou saith thou admires of sincere saving light but thou art not the first that was of that generation that were despisers wonderers and admirers of Christ who is the sincere saving light Herod thy forefather and all Jerusalem with him were put into as great admiration and trouble as possibly thou can be now when they heard of Christ who is the sincere saving light Repent thou with speed lest thy end be like Herods But before I go any further remember that in the 25th page there speaking of the Scriptures to be the Law and Testimony thou sayest what ever pretended colour you put upon it if it be not Law and testimony proof I shall give no credit to it saith thou Now I say if that which thou affirms in thy Book cannot be proved by Scripture thou should not think much at me for denying it and turning it on thee again as false seeing thou hast owned the Scripture as the Rule and Touchstone to try words by and except thou be a lyar thou wilt give no credit to what thou hast affirmed that cannot be proved by Scripture And in four pages thou prints the Quakers paper as thou calls it and in the fifth page where thou speaks of an answer to it thou arr talking of the bended knees of thy soul Answ Ralph Hale here I charge thee to be one that speaks of what thou knows not in speaking of the soul and whether thou speaks good or evil of it thou speaks of what thou knows not and in the Title page of thy book thou sayest they speak evil of what they do not know take that to thy self and own it until thou can give an account what thine own soul is Hale And thou sayest thou looks upon it to be very dangerous piece to break and rend our selves from the Church of God Answ I say so do I too but to depart from hypocrites and false hirelings and such as seek their gain from their quarters which the Prophet called Dogs and such as Christ declared against who have Greetings in the Market and are called of men Masters I count it no danger to depart from such but a good duty which the Scripture joyneth upon us for after the Apostle hath reckoned up several evil workers he saith from such turn away 2 Tim. 3.5 Hale And thou sayest thou art able in some measure to d●stinguish between the Word of God and God the Word Answ I say the Father and the Son is one and the Son of God is the Word of God Rev. 19.13 his name is called the Word of God and the childe of God will give that name to none but the Son of God alone for the father hath given him a name above every name Eph. 2.9 and whereas thou hast said thou art able to distinguish between the Word of God and God the Word and yet hast laid down no distinction how they may know the one from the other by their several grounds foundations and natures several operations and workings in the creature and what difference betwixt them and how it may be known I say thou art but a proud boaster a sayer and not a doer when thou should lay down thy distinctions thou puts it off with a shuffle and talks of the Bible being the external Word and such strange words as these and so saith nothing to the purpose Hale And whereas thou affirms the Bible to be the Word of God or the external Word as somtimes thou terms it Answ Ralph Hale why wilt thou talk of the Bible being the Word of God or the external Word for thou wilt give no credit to what thou hast spoken except thou be a lyar for thou hast made that null and void by thy own rule in thy book that is not law and testimony proof there is no Scr●pture that saith the Bible is the Word of God or the external Word and in the 25. page of thy Book thou sayest if it be not Law and Testimony proof thou wilt give no credit to it and I say thou had as good prove thy self a cheat as yet again prove thy self a lyar Hale And in the 6 and 7 pages thou art reckoning up those Titles that God gave to his Ministers both of the Law and Gospel as thou sayest Answ Ralph Hale What have such hypocrit●s dogs and hirelings as seek their gain from their qua te●s to do with those Titles that God gave to his Ministers that abode in his Doctrine And what hast thou to do to give those Titles to them that practise the same things that the dogs and hirelings did For when Christ found such as stood praying in the Synagogues and had greetings in the Markets he gave them the Title of hypocrites and forbade their waies and the same Spirit will give them that do the same things the same Titles now Hale And thou says May we not conclude with our Saviours own words He that hears you hears me and he that despiseth you despiseth me Answ Ralph Hale thou art in a great error or mistake if thou think that Christ spake those words to such hypocrites and hirelings as send men about their quarters to gather them in Calves and Geese and young Swine for their preaching they were not

so swinishly minded that Christ spake those words to they coveted no mans gold nor silver and if they had food and rayment they would be therewith content but the dogs will never be content and here take heed thou have not called evil good and good evil remember thou hast denounced a wo in the Title page of thy book to them that do so and all who have an eye may here see that wo meet with thee and everlastingly it is thy portion except with speed thou repent Hale And in the 8 page thou sayest thou would gladly know whether we will acknowledge the whole Scripture to be the Word of God or no I mean the whole Bible sayest thou Answ I say if thou mean that the whole B●ble is the Word of God I say Nay for I do acknowledge no God but one nor no word of God but one and Christ is that Word the Bible is no more then a true declaration of what it declares the Bible ●s a declaration of those words that God spake but not the whole Bible some p●rt of it is a declaration of those words he divel spake Luke 4.3 6. the divel said unto him If thou be the Son of God c. and the divil said ●nto him All this power will I give thee Is this the words of God or the words of the divel And further if I should say that the Bible were the Word of God thou would give no credit to it except thou be a lyar for there is no Scripture saith so and in the 25 page of thy book thou sayest if it be not Law and Testimony proof thou wilt give no credit to it for shame do not m●ke thy self a lyar lest whilst thou goes about to make the Quakers Principles quake thou break thy own in pieces Hile. And in the 7 page thou said the ministers work is for the perfecting of the Saints for the edifying of the Body of Christ which is the Church sayest thou Answ I say if the Ministers work be for the perfecting of the Saints and for the edifying of the Body of Christ then see that thou do not deny perfection in this life lest thou leave the Ministers neither time nor place to do their work in for the work that the Ministers doth they must do it in this life The dead that die in the Lord rest from their labours and their works follow them Rev. 14.13 there is no perfecting of the Saints in the grave and for the Body of Christ which thou sayest is the Church it is risen from the grave for the Church is in God therefore see that thou do not leave the Ministers their work to do after this life Hale And in the tenth page line the 14. thou sayest But you say this Law so much insisted upon together with the Priesthood of it is changed and the Commandment disanulled and this you bottom upon Hebr. 7.12 and 18. sayest thou Answ I say here let all take notice that the very same words that we bear witness to that is the changing of the Law and Priesthood and the disanulling of the Commandments and that on which we have bottomed it as thou thy self art forced to confess they are plain Scripture words without adding or diminishing as they are written in Heb. 7.12 and 18. and here again let all take notice what Spirit thou speaks from that by thy inchantment would make it seem as though the Law and Priesthood were not changed and the Commandments not disanulled except in such sancies and imaginations as thy vain mind can admit of and so would prove the Apostle a Lyar. Hale And whereas thou sayest thou dost affirm that Moses and the Prophets and the Gospel are all one in substance and in effect the very same Answ Ralph Hale thou dost affirm that whereof thou knows nothing but by hear-say thou never yet came to Christ who is the Gospel and there is no other Gospel nor to the Prophets nor to Moses estate but thou art between Adam and Moses and there death reigns over thee and if thou might not have talked of Moses the Prophets nor the Gospel till thou had known Moses to give a Law against sin and the transgressor in thee and the Prophets to denounce Gods judgements against sin in thee and the Gospel of peace that makes free from sin we had not found so many Scriptures wrested in thy Book by adding thy cursed meanings and the plagues of God must be added to him that adds Hale And in page 11. line 15. thou sayest in respect of order of the Priesthood it is not changed with the next words thou confutes that again for saith thou Christ is a Priest for ever after the order of Meschisedec and in page 15 two of the last lines thou sayest Christ is a Priest not after the order of Aaron but after the unchangeable order of Melchisedec Answ Ralph Hale Is this the modesty that thou talks of in the Title page of thy book in which thou propounds this stuff Thou here confesses that Christ is a Priest not after the order of Aaron but after the order of Melchisedec Now let all consider whether the Levitical Priesthood of Aarons order under which the Law was given to the people was not changed when another Priesthood was risen called by the name of another order the one being called by the order of Aaron and the other by the order of Melchisedec as in Heb. 7.11 which thou thy self art forced to confess that Christ is a Priest not after Aarons order but after the order of Melchisedec though before in page 11. line 19. thou said in respect of the order of the Priesthood it is not changed And here all may take notice of thy spirit of consusion and what saying and unsaying of a thing thou makes But when the Leopard is without spots then will that nature that thou lives in be without confusion Hale And thou sayest Tythes of Divine Right do belong to the servants of Melchised●chs order Answ I say if Tythes belongs to the servants then the Masters have nothing to do with them therefore see that you give not them to them that are called masters for by thy own rule they do not belong to masters but servants and the servants of Melchisedechs order who are Ministers of the Gospel they n●ither do nor never did demand them but will be content with Gospel wages If we have food and rayment let us be therewith content 1 Tim. 6.8 Hale And thou sayest I might instance the Sacraments of old under the Law Answ Ralph Hale Where is now thy modesty that thou talks of in the Title page of thy Book in which thou propounds thy stuff It is far from modesty to make lies and here thou d●st both make and instance lies for there is no such thing as a Sac ament ever men ioned in all the time under the Law therefore that is not Law and testimony proof then wilt sure

thy practise of lying we do decry what a nest of lies hast thou hatched here in a matter of fourteen lines compass Priest And whereas thou sayest they leave all men in the dark what they mean by their light Answ I say we mean by the light what John and Christ spoke of it and the light which we own and speak of is the light of Christ Jesus the everlasting Covenant of light in him was life and that life was the light of men this is the light which we own and speak of and though it shines in the darkness yet thou natu al man who loves darkness and delights in lies thou dost not perceive the things of the Spirit of God for the light if thou love it it will lead thee out of darkness and out of such cursed lying as thou lives in and if thou walk contrary to it it is thy c●ndemnation to condemn thee for ever from the Lord God and from the glory of his presence and though thou now lives in thy envie and mischief inventing of lies yet when the day of thy trouble cometh then shal thou know what is meant by this except with speed thou repent Priest Doth the light of Nature give liberty to women to be common Controulers and ordinary speakers saith thou Answ Zachariah Crofton Whatever that which thou c●lls the light of Nature gives yet God gave liberty to the male and to the female to have dominion over the Beasts therefore the female may controul the Serpent where-ever he is his head must be broken by the seed of the woman and I tell thee as pure glad tydings as ever was preached to mankinde that was a living Christ risen from the Sepulcher was first declared by Mary unto men before the men knew it and would not that which thou calls the light of Nature have given liberty to Mary to speak then if it would not it is nothing but darkness put for light Priest But is not silence the duty imposed and property adorning that Sex sayest thou Answ For the Sex thou may take it to thy self for thou talks like a Sectarian but for silence it neither is nor never was imposed upon all the Female Your Daughters shall Prophesie saith the Lord Joel 2.28 I permit not a woman to speak in the Church saith the Apostle I say no more do we but we permit Christ who is one in the male and in the female to speak in his Temple whether in male or in female and dost thou not believe that Christ shall be formed as in the male so in the female and if so then who art thou that would impose the women to silence when Christ is formed in them Paul writ to those women that helpt him in the Gospel those are the self lovers covetous boasters and proud blasphemers and house-creepers that would keep silly women ever learning and never come to the knowledge of the truth see 2 Tim. 2. to 8. and seeing you say silence is the duty imposed on them see that you be no more angry with them for not speaking to you when nothing but your wills requires it Priest But will not the Heathens reject the Religion which is inforced with feminine voice sayest thou Answ I say yea the heathens will reject it that is proved in thee and many more of the heathens in England you both reject and rage against the pure Religion with what voice soever it comes but they who are not heathens that knows God they receive it in due time though you heathens reject it and rage and roar at them for receiving of it Priest But they go from Country to Country and from Nation to Nation sayest thou Answ I say is that any thing but what Daniel said should come to pass Many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased Dan. 12.4 But I believe the greatest thing that troubles thee and all the Parish-masters in England in their going is this they are often moved to declare against hypocrites and such as seek their gains from their quarters as tythe hire and augmentations if they did but cry this up as much as they cry it down would they not be more born with by the parish masters give an honest true answer Priest And thou sayest They cursedly revile rather then convincingly reprove Answ I say that is false it is the fool that saith so for whose back the rod is prepared he hath reproof and terms it as cursed rayling yet if they did rail as they do not thou should not have judged them for it left whilst thou judgest them thou condemnest thy self for hast thou not called them black mouths possessed with Divels and the like Is not this railing language that thou useth to others For shame speak against railing no more till thou hast reformed it in thy self for thou art inexcusable O man that judgest another and dost the same things thy self for in that thou judgest them thou condemnest thy self Rom. 2.1 Read thy portion here and own it it is pla●n enough and due to thee Priest And thou bids the Reader give thee leave to prescribe him some few Ru●es for his preservation and first thou bids him set Reason in its Throne and thou talks of rational faculties and powers of discerning discovering and determining the things which God and Nature hath given him for obs●rve fayest thou the Divel blinds this eye and de-thrones this Judge when he advanceth the pretended light Answ I say to the consuming lake with all the robbers that thou advanceth and setteth up to judge and determine that which God gives Art thou setting up reason and thou knows not what to judge Must any thing be Judge but Christ alone Is n●t a●l judgement given to the Son of God Yea and cursed thou art that sets up any thing else to judge and determine the things that God gives and for Nature let that be silent in giving good gifts good gifts are the gifts of God alone there is nothing else gives them though thou would set up nature as another giver and in the naturals thou art a natural man and perceives not the things of the spirit of God and to thee they are foolishness as they were to thy fore-fathers Priest When you are mad you may be brought to do any thing sayest thou Answ I say we think it not strange that thou shouldest term us as mad-men it is no more then the Pharisees thy fore-fathers said of the Apostle Paul and Christ himself and we must expect the same portion from the same generation of vipers and evil doers and it is our joy that with Christ we may suffer and reigne Many more of thy reproachful lies and false slanders might I mention as thy saying we dis-own the Scriptures and the like but thus shall I leave thy bundle of lies and reproachful false and vilifying words and proceed to Ralph Hales book and see what stuf is thereïn and of what force it is RAlph

he cared little for the poor it seems no more dost thou and truly Judas seemed to have more honesty then we find in thee for he said the oyn●ment might have been sold and given to the poor but thou hast not so much as once mentioned that the Priests should seed the poor with the Tythe but have all to the hirelings Hale And in page 26. thou art talking of the Saints assemblies and a place where God hath promised his more especial presence the Church of God the pillar and ground of Truth sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale for the Saints assembl●es let them alone thou hast nothing to do with them thou must first come out of the Pop●s opinions there was never none of the Saints that hoped for a furnace in the grave to consume the remainders of corrupt nature in thou and all that doth so are of the Popes Assemblies and for the Church of God it is in God 1 Thes 1.1 and that is not the steeple-house nor any other limitted place set up in the will of man and for the pillar and ground of truth what hast thou to do to talk of it thou knowest nothing of it thy pillar and ground is the pillar and ground of deceit who talks of a furnace in the grave Hale And thou sayest it is truly desired of all Gods people that there were no corruption in your Churches as thou calls them Answ Ralph Hale How came thou to know that G●ds people desired it except some of them have told thee so for there was never none of Gods people that talked of a furnace in the grave as thou doest Hale And thou sayest there will be Tares amongst the wheat and it is the Lord of the Harvest his Decree that they shall grow together till the Harvest Answ Ralph Hale of the most wicked and cursed Tares that cumbers the wheat thou hast manifested thy self to be one in that thou talks of a furnace in the grave and thou ●hat knows not and sees not the Harvest come thou a●t that cursed and blasted Tare on which the mildew is fallen and from henceforth shalt thou find thy withering and decay except with speed thou repent Hale I shall be far from judging any of you saith thou and again I judge you not sayest thou Answ I say that is a subtle Curr that wi●l bite when he fawns and if thou dost not judge us to be such as have broken and rent our selves from the Church of God and the Body of Christ if thou dost not judge us to be such why dost thou term us to be such in thy Book Is not this double deceit and hypocrisie that is lodged in thee First to judge us unjustly and falsly and then to say thou wilt not judge us But it is the manner of an old Sophister to cover that in himself and lay it on others which he is mo●● guilty of himself Hale And in page 27. thou sayest Thou desires that we may be careful to try the Spirits whether they be of God or no for many false Spirits as well as false Prophets are gone out into the world sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale a more false Prophet then thou art and a more false Spirit then thou speaks from can scarce be gone forth into the world in that thou talks of a furnace in the g●ave a● all may re●d in thy Book page t●● 22. and seeing thou hast bidden us Try the Spirits we have tryed thine and we fi●d it to be a false popish Spirit and therefore we shall take heed of thee Hale Thou sayest thou heartily wisheth that we may return and joyn our selves to the Communion of the Saints in the Publique Ordinances of God that we may have a sweet fellowship and communion with the Father and tho Son as ever we had before your going out from us sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale both thee and all that are in fellowship with thee in thy popish opinions who call your selves saints and are not and your communion and your fellowship and your publique ordinances as you call them and your Father and that Son that leads you to hope for a furnace in the grave I do deny both you and them all for that Father is the Father of lies and that Son is the Son of perdition and those Ordinances are dead and carnal and popish that leads you into such things Hale And with which I will conclude sayest thou If either you or any man or men teach otherwise and consent not to the wholsome words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and the Doctrine which is according to godliness let him pretend as much humility as he can he is proud knowing nothing but doteth about questions and strife of words whereof cometh envie railing evil surmisings 1 Tim. 6.3 4. Answ Ralph Hale if t●ou might have mentioned Timothys words no more then thou had lived in Timothys life thou had been as dumb as those dogs that Isaiah speaks of and I pray thee see how Timothys words meets with thee who ta●ks of a furnace in the grave is that according to the wholsome words of our Lord Jesus C●●● and the doctrine which is according ●o godliness or is it according to the Popes Doctrine H●re be thy own Judge and let shame stop thy mouth And now I say to ye all in and about Liverpool and elsewhere to the light of Christ turn in your minds to that in the conscience which shews you sin and evil and check● and reproves you in secret for the evil of your ways to th t take heed that by it you may be guided up to God from whence the light comes as you tender your everlasting salvation and if you neglect this when the day of your trouble comes in which you cry wo and alas then remember that you were fore-warned in your life time to that in your consciences do I speak the light which comes from the Lord Jesus Christ and lighte●h every man that comes into the world which is the Saints guide and teacher to guide them up to God and the sure word of Prophesie to which they are to take heed and if by it you be guided it will lead you up to the Lord Jesus Christ and this is the way to salvation the light and there is no other way to salvation but Christ the light and if you walk contrary to the light then the light is your condemnation and to you all this is the Word of Truth witnessed by that in all the consciences shall it be when the Book of Conscience is opened Remember this and whilst you have time prize it W. A. The End