the_o sense_n and_o true_a meaning_n of_o thing_n themselves_o and_o this_o be_v chrisostomes_n meaning_n not_o of_o tradition_n altogether_o without_o the_o compass_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o yet_o hold_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n for_o of_o the_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o scri_fw-la pture_n he_o speak_v in_o diverse_a place_n and_o namely_o upon_o that_o clear_a text_n 2._o tim._n 3._o hom_o 9_o of_o the_o scripiure_v he_o say_v siquid_fw-la vel_fw-la diseere_n velignorare_fw-la opus_fw-la sit_fw-la illic_fw-la addiscemus_fw-la if_o any_o thing_n be_v needefisli_v to_o know_v or_o not_o to_o know_v in_o the_o scripture_n we_o shall_v learn_v but_o because_o you_o say_v those_o word_n of_o saint_n paulare_a clear_a 2._o thess._n 2._o for_o unwritten_a traditition_n i_o pray_v you_o what_o argument_n can_v you_o conclude_v out_o of_o they_o saint_n paul_n deliver_v to_o the_o thessalonian_o something_o by_o preach_v and_o something_o by_o writing_n ergo_fw-la he_o deliver_v something_o that_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n write_v either_o by_o himself_o or_o any_o other_o of_o the_o holy_a man_n of_o god_n appoint_v for_o that_o purpose_n who_o be_v so_o childish_a think_v you_o to_o grant_v you_o this_o consequence_n therefore_o for_o any_o thing_n you_o have_v bring_v or_o can_v bring_v or_o any_o thing_n that_o the_o father_n have_v say_v or_o can_v say_v the_o word_n of_o god_n write_v ten_o be_v perfect_a and_o able_a to_o make_v a_o man_n wise_a to_o salvation_n by_o faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n which_o be_v to_o be_v have_v sufficient_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n as_o christ_n himself_o do_v witness_v john_n 5._o 39_o and_o so_o the_o former_a conclusion_n do_v still_o stand_v it_o be_v great_a iniquity_n to_o receive_v tradition_n altogether_o beside_o the_o holy_a scripture_n as_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o must_v needs_o argue_v the_o holy_a scripture_n of_o imperfection_n and_o unsufficiencie_n neither_o do_v the_o consent_n of_o antiquity_n refute_v this_o assertion_n of_o master_n charke_n see_v the_o ancient_n as_o it_o be_v say_v speak_v either_o of_o doctrine_n not_o express_v in_o word_n but_o contain_v in_o deed_n in_o the_o scripture_n or_o else_o of_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n the_o perpetual_a observation_n where_o of_o be_v not_o necessatie_n to_o eternal_a life_n as_o be_v prove_v by_o the_o discuss_n of_o many_o of_o they_o which_o the_o elder_a father_n do_v father_n upon_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o much_o as_o any_o other_o that_o they_o name_n and_o if_o you_o say_v they_o be_v deceive_v in_o such_o as_o be_v abolish_v how_o shall_v we_o know_v that_o 〈◊〉_d not_o in_o such_o as_o be_v retain_v for_o in_o their_o 〈◊〉_d they_o be_v all_o general_o receive_v as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o well_o such_o as_o be_v discontinue_v as_o those_o 〈◊〉_d remain_v 〈◊〉_d if_o any_o man_n will_v ask_v you_o what_o be_v these_o apostolical_a 〈◊〉_d in_o particular_a you_o can_v allege_v he_o testimony_n 〈◊〉_d ancient_a father_n for_o a_o great_a number_n but_o you_o refer_v 〈◊〉_d saint_n cyprian_n serm._n de_fw-fr ablut_fw-fr pedum_fw-la tertullian_n 〈◊〉_d milit_fw-la and_o saint_n hieron_n dialog_n contra_fw-la luciferianos_fw-la 〈◊〉_d say_v he_o shall_v find_v store_n belike_o your_o note_n book_n 〈◊〉_d you_o thither_o although_o you_o list_v not_o to_o take_v so_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d yourself_o but_o turn_v it_o over_o to_o your_o 〈◊〉_d howbert_n he_o that_o be_v dispose_v to_o read_v the_o sermon_n 〈◊〉_d cyprian_a shall_v find_v no_o store_n at_o all_o but_o of_o the_o necessity_n of_o wash_a offcete_n which_o ceremony_n be_v take_v by_o the_o example_n of_o christ_n yet_o be_v not_o think_v necessary_a in_o the_o popish_a church_n at_o this_o day_n tertullian_n in_o deed_n have_v some_o pretty_a store_n yet_o not_o to_o maintain_v popish_a tradition_n so_o much_o as_o to_o overthrow_v they_o for_o he_o 〈◊〉_d some_o thing_n that_o be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n as_o to_o renounce_v the_o devil_n in_o baptism_n etc._n etc._n some_o that_o be_v grow_v out_o of_o use_v many_o hundred_o year_n ago_o as_o that_o the_o baptize_v shall_v taste_v of_o milk_n and_o honey_n that_o they_o shall_v abstain_v from_o wash_v seven_o day_n after_o that_o man_n shall_v sign_n their_o forehead_n at_o every_o step_n and_o proceed_n go_v forth_o and_o come_v home_o at_o put_v on_o of_o apparel_n and_o at_o pull_v on_o of_o shoe_n at_o wash_n at_o table_n at_o light_v of_o candle_n at_o bed_n at_o stool_n at_o all_o time_n and_o place_n saint_n hierome_n also_o in_o the_o person_n of_o the_o heretic_n rehearse_v traditiones_fw-la and_o among_o they_o such_o as_o papist_n do_v not_o observe_v namely_o the_o mixture_n of_o milk_n and_o honey_n give_v to_o they_o that_o be_v new_o baptize_v on_o the_o lord_n day_n and_o during_o the_o whole_a time_n of_o pentecoste_n neither_o to_o kneel_v in_o prayer_n nor_o to_o fast_o these_o be_v part_n of_o those_o apostolical_a tradition_n in_o particular_a which_o if_o they_o have_v be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n must_v have_v be_v perpetuallie_o continue_v if_o they_o be_v untruelie_o ascribe_v to_o the_o apostle_n what_o wartant_a can_v we_o have_v of_o any_o other_o see_v the_o most_o ancient_a writer_n commend_v these_o as_o much_o as_o any_o other_o for_o apostolical_a tradition_n yet_o a_o few_o other_o example_n you_o will_v add_v out_o of_o saint_n augustine_n who_o proove_v baptism_n you_o sare_z by_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n lib._n 10._o de_fw-la gen_fw-la ad_fw-la lit_fw-fr cap._n 23._o to_o this_o answer_n have_v be_v make_v sufficient_o in_o the_o 11._o section_n that_o saint_n augustine_n do_v not_o defend_v baptism_n of_o infant_n only_o by_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n but_o also_o by_o the_o scripture_n likewise_o you_o say_v he_o proove_v by_o the_o same_o tradion_n that_o we_o must_v not_o rebaptize_v those_o which_o be_v baptize_v of_o heretic_n lib._n 2._o the_o bapt_a cap_a 7._o &_o lib._n 1._o cap._n 23._o &_o lib._n 4._o cap._n 6_o it_o be_v true_a that_o he_o perwsade_v himself_o that_o this_o custom_n of_o not_o rebaptise_v come_v from_o the_o apostle_n tradition_n yet_o do_v he_o by_o many_o argument_n out_o of_o scripture_n prove_v that_o such_o be_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v again_o which_o have_v be_v once_o baptize_v although_o by_o heretic_n and_o therefore_o he_o say_v of_o the_o same_o matter_n hoc_fw-la planè_fw-la verum_fw-la est_fw-la quia_fw-la ratio_fw-la &_o veritas_fw-la consuetudini_fw-la praeponenda_fw-la est_fw-la sed_fw-la cùm_fw-la consuetudini_fw-la veritas_fw-la suffragatur_fw-la nihil_fw-la oportet_fw-la firmius_fw-la retineri_fw-la this_o be_v plain_o true_a that_o reason_n and_o truth_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o custom_n but_o when_o truth_n consent_v with_o custom_n nothing_o ought_v more_o steadefastlie_o to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d you_o see_v therefore_o that_o he_o build_v not_o only_o upon_o custom_n or_o tradition_n which_o be_v the_o matter_n in_o question_n but_o upon_o truth_n and_o reason_n which_o be_v found_v by_o the_o holy_a scriptuer_n your_o middle_a quotation_n the_o bap_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 23._o you_o may_v correct_v against_o your_o nextreplie_n for_o there_o be_v but_o 19_o chapter_n in_o that_o book_n again_o you_o say_v he_o proove_v by_o tradition_n the_o celebration_n of_o the_o pentecost_n common_o call_v whitsuntide_n ep_v 11_o etc._n etc._n 1._o if_o it_o be_v as_o you_o say_v it_o be_v but_o a_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n but_o in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n to_o alter_v as_o many_o like_a which_o be_v abrogate_a but_o in_o truth_n he_o proove_v it_o not_o as_o you_o say_v by_o tradition_n for_o these_o be_v his_o word_n illa_fw-la autem_fw-la quae_fw-la non_fw-la scripta_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v keep_v be_v not_o write_v but_o deliver_v which_o be_v observe_v throughout_o all_o the_o world_n it_o be_v give_v to_o be_v understand_v that_o they_o be_v retain_v as_o commend_v and_o decree_v either_o by_o the_o apostle_n themselves_o or_o by_o general_a counsel_n the_o authority_n of_o which_o be_v most_o whollesome_a in_o the_o church_n as_o that_o the_o passion_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o his_o resurrection_n &_o ascension_n into_o heaven_n and_o the_o come_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n from_o heaven_n be_v celebrate_v with_o yearly_a solemnity_n you_o see_v by_o his_o own_o word_n that_o he_o be_v not_o certain_a whether_o he_o shall_v lay_v this_o ceremonial_a celebration_n upon_o delivery_n of_o the_o apostle_n or_o upon_o decree_n of_o general_a coun_n cell_n and_o whencesoever_o they_o come_v the_o matter_n be_v not_o great_a in_o such_o thing_n as_o of_o their_o own_o nature_n be_v indifferent_a and_o therefore_o alterable_a by_o discretion_n of_o the_o church_n in_o all_o time_n whether_o the_o apostle_n be_v baptize_v which_o be_v
〈◊〉_d 15._o article_n of_o heresy_n which_o andreas_n zebedeus_n preacher_n of_o nion_n &_o joannes_n angelus_n preacher_n of_o burtin_n both_o zwinglians_n do_v take_v upon_o they_o to_o prove_v against_o caluine_n at_o berna_n caluine_n be_v present_a upon_o pain_n of_o burn_a whereupon_o proceed_v the_o decree_n of_o those_o magistrate_n in_o the_o year_n 1555._o april_n 3._o that_o none_o of_o their_o dominion_n shall_v communicate_v with_o caluine_n at_o geneva_n pontac_n in_o anno_fw-la 1555._o the_o truth_n be_v thatby_o instigation_n of_o that_o heretical_a varlet_n bolsec_n diverse_a preacher_n near_o unto_o geneva_n quarrel_v against_o caluins_n doctrine_n of_o god_n eternal_a predestination_n charge_v he_o to_o affirm_v that_o god_n be_v the_o author_n of_o evil_a with_o such_o like_a impudent_a slaun_n dear_n whereupon_o caluine_a by_o licence_n of_o the_o senate_n caluini_fw-la of_o geneva_n so_o purge_v himself_o before_o the_o bernates_n that_o one_o sabastian_n and_o bolsec_n be_v banish_v their_o dominion_n and_o andrew_n zebedey_o not_o many_o year_n after_o albeit_o he_o be_v then_o the_o most_o earnest_a accuser_n of_o caluin_n in_o his_o death_n bed_n at_o novidune_n four_o mile_n from_o geneva_n before_o the_o chief_a man_n of_o that_o town_n revoke_v his_o error_n detest_a all_o those_o his_o act_n against_o caluine_n and_o command_v all_o his_o paper_n to_o be_v burn_v in_o his_o fight_n so_o that_o whatsoever_o be_v offer_v to_o be_v prove_v nothing_o be_v prove_v in_o deed_n to_o show_v such_o dissent_n between_o caluine_n and_o zuinglius_fw-la as_o master_n fulke_n may_v not_o justly_o deny_v any_o dissent_n betweenecaluine_n and_o zuinglius_fw-la in_o the_o substance_n ofchristian_n religion_n which_o be_v true_o teach_v by_o they_o both_o notwithstanding_o any_o cavil_n that_o quarrel-picker_n or_o faultfinder_n have_v devise_v against_o caluine_n the_o sixth_o section_n entitle_v of_o the_o jesuite_n doctrine_n master_n charke_n be_v charge_v to_o have_v falsify_v the_o jesuite_n word_n defend_v his_o report_n by_o testimony_n of_o donatus_n gotuisus_fw-la out_o of_o who_o treatise_n con_v cern_v that_o matter_n he_o profess_v at_o the_o first_o to_o rehearse_v their_o word_n and_o that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o he_o to_o charge_v they_o upon_o a_o other_o man_n report_n he_o bring_v example_n of_o the_o censurer_n who_o report_v intolerable_a slander_n of_o luther_n upon_o the_o credit_n of_o lindan_n cocleus_n hosius_n this_o reply_n the_o defender_n think_v not_o sufficient_a because_o he_o bring_v three_o witness_n and_o master_n charke_n but_o one_o as_o though_o three_o false_a witness_n be_v of_o more_o credit_n than_o one_o that_o speak_v the_o truth_n after_o it_o be_v try_v and_o know_v for_o what_o luther_n affirm_v his_o own_o write_n do_v declare_v so_o that_o if_o a_o thousand_o papist_n will_v swear_v against_o he_o that_o he_o have_v write_v otherwise_o than_o he_o do_v his_o write_n being_n open_v to_o all_o man_n view_n the_o world_n may_v condemn_v they_o all_o of_o falsehood_n and_o if_o gotuisus_fw-la have_v report_v untruelie_o the_o blame_n be_v he_o and_o not_o master_n charke_n who_o cit_v his_o report_n but_o in_o the_o end_n it_o shall_v appear_v that_o gotuisus_fw-la have_v do_v the_o jesuite_n no_o wrong_n but_o either_o in_o their_o own_o word_n or_o in_o their_o meaning_n true_o deliver_v the_o substance_n of_o their_o doctrine_n howsoever_o they_o may_v cavil_n to_o cloak_n the_o matter_n as_o the_o defender_n here_o compare_v master_n charke_n to_o a_o bird_n take_v by_o the_o leg_n for_o lie_v and_o seek_v every_o hole_n to_o escape_v the_o first_o be_v that_o he_o charge_v the_o censurer_n with_o four_o lie_n in_o one_o sentence_n this_o the_o defender_n call_v most_o ridiculous_a accusation_n and_o ask_v if_o man_n do_v not_o pity_v the_o poor_a minister_n that_o stoop_v to_o so_o miserable_a help_n for_o his_o relief_n so_o he_o laugh_v at_o his_o lie_n when_o he_o can_v not_o justify_v they_o and_o turn_v the_o will_v matter_n to_o a_o scoff_n when_o he_o have_v not_o one_o word_n to_o answer_v for_o himself_o he_o think_v eth_z not_o the_o matter_n worthty_a he_o defence_n because_o the_o lie_n be_v madein_n no_o weighty_a cause_n and_o yet_o a_o man_n may_v justly_o note_v how_o looselie_o he_o write_v that_o have_v no_o more_o regard_n of_o truth_n the_o unto_o rap_n out_o four_o lie_n in_o so_o short_a a_o compass_n of_o time_n and_o place_n what_o will_v he_o do_v in_o matter_n of_o great_a importance_n i_o need_v not_o ask_v for_o you_o may_v see_v how_o often_o he_o have_v be_v take_v in_o most_o impudent_a and_o shameless_a assertion_n such_o as_o make_v i_o often_o to_o think_v that_o he_o be_v no_o professor_n of_o divinity_n which_o have_v any_o ground_a knowledge_n himself_o but_o some_o cozen_a copesmate_n choose_v out_o for_o his_o impudency_n and_o verbosity_n to_o broach_v such_o stuff_n for_o unlearned_a reader_n as_o the_o note_n gatherer_n be_v ashamed_a to_o put_v forth_o under_o their_o own_o name_n but_o to_o return_v to_o our_o start_a hole_n the_o second_o say_v sit_v defender_n be_v that_o master_n charke_n and_o his_o fellow_n draw_v all_o matter_n against_o the_o state_n as_o pasie_a the_o mad_a man_n deal_v with_o his_o master_n to_o defend_v himself_o when_o he_o be_v near_o a_o shrewd_a turn_n for_o some_o prank_n play_v with_o his_o companion_n and_o here_o by_o name_n doctor_n fulk_n be_v charge_v with_o this_o practice_n and_o with_o parasitical_a and_o palpable_a flattery_n who_o answer_v caluini_fw-la for_o himself_o in_o the_o treatise_n often_o name_v pag._n 44._o etc._n etc._n but_o in_o truth_n mastet_fw-la charke_n need_v not_o any_o coard_n to_o draw_v matter_n against_o the_o state_n out_o of_o your_o write_n for_o you_o offer_v frankelie_o more_o than_o it_o will_v be_v your_o ease_n to_o answer_v if_o you_o dare_v show_v your_o face_n and_o true_o he_o say_v that_o you_o charge_v the_o magistrate_n and_o bishop_n as_o if_o they_o be_v careless_a what_o doctrine_n be_v deliver_v to_o the_o people_n when_o you_o ask_v what_o he_o and_o his_o fellow_n dare_v avouch_v in_o their_o sermon_n speech_n and_o discourse_n which_o they_o be_v sure_o shall_v never_o come_v to_o examination_n the_o three_o hole_n be_v by_o lay_v all_o his_o lie_n upon_o one_o gotuisus_fw-la where_o his_o falsehood_n appear_v in_o that_o he_o do_v not_o in_o all_o his_o whole_a discourse_n so_o much_o as_o once_o name_n or_o quote_v his_o author_n gotuisus_fw-la either_o in_o text_n or_o margin_n mastercharke_n answer_v before_o that_o the_o author_n name_n be_v quote_v in_o the_o most_o book_n &_o so_o it_o be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o the_o margin_n over_o against_o those_o word_n of_o the_o text_n out_o of_o a_o treatise_n concern_v this_o matter_n i_o have_v interlace_v their_o own_o word_n as_o they_o be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o same_o book_n where_o the_o quotation_n be_v donati_n gotuisi_n lib._n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la jesu_n &_o jesuitarum_fw-la this_o be_v to_o be_v read_v ofevetie_n child_n in_o many_o hundred_o copy_n of_o what_o metrall_a be_v his_o face_n make_v of_o that_o do_v so_o confident_o deny_v it_o because_o as_o he_o say_v believe_v he_o ifyou_o list_n he_o can_v never_o happen_v upon_o any_o copy_n that_o have_v he_o quote_v and_o if_o somehad_v it_o he_o ask_v why_o all_o have_v not_o as_o though_o he_o be_v ignorant_a that_o a_o fault_n or_o a_o omission_n escape_v in_o a_o few_o copy_n may_v be_v reform_v or_o add_v in_o the_o rest_n when_o it_o be_v espy_v the_o other_o surmise_n that_o follow_v why_o master_n charke_n shall_v not_o quote_v his_o author_n gotuisus_fw-la be_v vain_a see_v he_o have_v quote_v he_o as_o also_o the_o other_o charge_n of_o treachery_n and_o malicious_a meaning_n for_o so_o much_o as_o there_o be_v no_o proof_n of_o they_o but_o his_o bare_a word_n be_v as_o easy_o deny_v by_o we_o as_o they_o be_v by_o he_o affirm_v if_o in_o the_o particular_n that_o follow_v he_o be_v able_a to_o bring_v any_o substantial_a matter_n to_o confirm_v any_o one_o of_o they_o it_o may_v be_v consider_v as_o the_o cause_n shall_v require_v and_o occasion_n be_v offer_v the_o 7._o section_n entitle_v of_o the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o sin_n the_o first_o article_n of_o the_o jesuite_n doctrine_n you_o say_v be_v this_o it_o be_v not_o sin_n whatsoever_o be_v against_o the_o word_n of_o god_n here_o you_o charge_v master_n charke_n with_o guileful_a deal_n and_o that_o you_o take_v upon_o you_o to_o show_v by_o a_o example_n of_o a_o lawyer_n that_o shall_v say_v it_o be_v not_o treason_n whatsoever_o be_v against_o the_o prince_n and_o common_a wealth_n which_o sound_v odiouslie_o as_o though_o nothing_o commit_v against_o the_o prince_n and_o common_a wealth_n be_v treason_n
the_o least_o they_o disdain_v to_o submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o priest_n who_o god_n have_v give_v power_n unto_o to_o discern_v the_o clean_a from_o the_o unclean_a but_o i_o will_v thou_o shall_v not_o beguile_v thyself_o by_o false_a persuasion_n or_o some_o respect_n of_o shame_n that_o thou_o have_v to_o confess_v unto_o the_o priest_n who_o be_v god_n vicar_n for_o i_o tell_v thou_o thou_o must_v under_o his_o judgement_n who_o god_n do_v not_o disdain_n to_o constitute_v his_o vicegerent_n but_o this_o doctor_n make_v a_o whole_a work_n of_o penance_n and_o the_o way_n of_o recovery_n of_o christian_a man_n fall_n after_o baptism_n by_o the_o priest_n judgement_n and_o sacrament_n of_o confession_n of_o the_o which_o book_n if_o any_o man_n listen_v doubt_n yet_o let_v he_o be_v assure_v that_o they_o be_v both_o ancient_a catholic_a learned_a and_o agreeable_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o saint_n augustine_n day_n whosoever_o make_v they_o and_o our_o cause_n be_v so_o much_o more_o holpen_v because_o not_o only_a saint_n austin_n who_o be_v plain_a in_o these_o matter_n upon_o saint_n matthwe_v gospel_n and_o else_o where_o as_o it_o be_v declare_v already_o but_o also_o other_o of_o great_a antiquity_n confirm_v the_o same_o and_o plain_o confound_v the_o pride_n of_o our_o day_n in_o which_o man_n be_v not_o somuch_o ashamed_a of_o their_o sin_n as_o they_o be_v disdainful_a to_o confess_v their_o sin_n unto_o a_o poor_a priest_n though_o he_o justly_o accupie_v the_o very_a judgement_n seat_n of_o god_n fulke_v you_o do_v wise_o to_o devorce_v upon_o his_o meaning_n when_o you_o have_v not_o his_o word_n to_o warrant_v you_o for_o so_o you_o may_v blind_v the_o eye_n of_o the_o ignorant_a to_o believe_v that_o you_o have_v some_o far_a intelligence_n of_o meaning_n than_o can_v appear_v even_o by_o the_o word_n that_o you_o have_v cite_v out_o of_o he_o for_o the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o condemnation_n be_v not_o by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d against_o they_o which_o be_v ashamed_a to_o confess_v their_o fault_n to_o man_n if_o they_o amend_v they_o before_o god_n but_o against_o they_o that_o fly_v the_o knowledge_n and_o judgement_n of_o man_n and_o yet_o do_v not_o repent_v before_o god_n and_o therefore_o he_o say_v si_fw-la ea_fw-la confiteri_fw-la aut_fw-la emendare_fw-la noluerirt_n if_o they_o will_v not_o confess_v they_o or_o amend_v they_o and_o again_o si_fw-la in_o maio_n svo_fw-la permanserint_fw-la if_o they_o shall_v continue_v in_o their_o evil_n but_o if_o they_o will_v amend_v their_o fault_n and_o not_o continue_v in_o sin_n he_o dare_v promise_v they_o forgiveness_n and_o life_n everlasting_a as_o be_v declare_v in_o the_o last_o section_n but_o now_o you_o charge_v we_o with_o saint_n agustines_n authority_n and_o yet_o you_o will_v not_o abide_v by_o it_o that_o it_o be_v saint_n augastines_n authority_n wherein_o you_o deal_v more_o sincere_o than_o papist_n be_v common_o wont_a to_o do_v to_o acknowledge_v that_o these_o book_n you_o vouch_v be_v not_o admit_v for_o saint_n augustine_n authority_n among_o so_o many_o great_a and_o large_a volume_n as_o be_v certeinlie_o know_v and_o general_o receive_v to_o be_v of_o saint_n augustine_n writing_n where_o you_o can_v find_v nothing_o but_o these_o book_n of_o uncerteine_a credit_n to_o maintain_v the_o necessity_n of_o auricular_a confession_n the_o indifferent_a reader_n may_v well_o gather_v how_o little_a ground_n your_o purpose_n can_v find_v in_o that_o age_n of_o s._n augustine_n for_o that_o you_o have_v declare_v already_o out_o of_o s._n austin_n upon_o s._n matthewes_n gospel_n &_o else_o where_o how_o plain_a it_o be_v for_o these_o matter_n let_v the_o reader_n judge_v by_o that_o i_o have_v answer_v in_o those_o several_a place_n but_o as_o touch_v the_o book_n de_fw-fr visitatione_n 〈◊〉_d be_v one_o of_o the_o two_o treatise_n that_o you_o cite_v as_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o it_o be_v not_o of_o s._n austin_n writing_n so_o have_v it_o no_o similitude_n with_o the_o doctrine_n of_o his_o time_n or_o with_o the_o stile_n of_o any_o learned_a or_o ancient_a father_n the_o censure_n of_o erasmus_n upon_o these_o book_n be_v this_o sermo_n locutulei_fw-la nec_fw-la docti_fw-la nec_fw-la diserti_fw-la quid_fw-la habuerunt_fw-la vel_fw-la frontis_fw-la vel_fw-la mentis_fw-la qui_fw-la talia_fw-la scripta_fw-la nobis_fw-la obtruserunt_fw-la nomine_fw-la augustini_fw-la etc._n etc._n these_o book_n be_v the_o speech_n of_o a_o prattler_n neither_o learn_v nor_o eloquent_a what_o shame_n or_o wit_n have_v they_o which_o have_v thrust_v upon_o we_o such_o writing_n under_o the_o name_n of_o s._n augustine_n yet_o you_o dare_v assure_v we_o that_o they_o be_v ancient_a catholic_a learned_a and_o agreeable_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o saint_n augustine_n day_n but_o the_o reason_n of_o your_o assurance_n you_o spare_v to_o show_v give_v we_o nothing_o but_o your_o bare_a word_n which_o be_v sufficient_a among_o unlearned_a and_o sottish_a papist_n who_o ignorance_n you_o know_v will_v accept_v whatsoever_o you_o bring_v and_o therefore_o be_v carl_n what_o all_o the_o learned_a of_o the_o contrary_a part_n may_v judge_v of_o your_o impudent_a and_o shameless_a assertion_n concern_v the_o other_o whole_a work_n of_o penance_n which_o you_o affirm_v that_o this_o doctor_n make_v although_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o saint_n augustine_n be_v author_n of_o that_o work_n of_o repentance_n as_o it_o shall_v be_v easy_o grant_v that_o if_o not_o saint_n augustine_n yet_o some_o other_o ancient_a and_o learned_a father_n be_v the_o writer_n of_o they_o nevertheless_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o they_o by_o which_o you_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v the_o matter_n in_o controversy_n namely_o the_o necessity_n of_o confession_n of_o all_o mortal_a sin_n to_o a_o priest_n and_o therefore_o albeit_o you_o set_v a_o good_a face_n upon_o the_o matter_n you_o have_v never_o a_o sentence_n to_o set_v down_o out_o of_o those_o book_n that_o be_v able_a to_o give_v but_o only_o a_o gloss_n or_o colour_n to_o your_o popish_a confession_n for_o if_o you_o have_v you_o will_v not_o have_v be_v silent_a in_o set_v forth_o the_o sentence_n of_o another_o beside_o saint_n augustine_n as_o you_o say_v and_o as_o i_o think_v of_o great_a antiquity_n who_o against_o they_o that_o be_v impenitent_a and_o neither_o acknowledge_v their_o sin_n unfainedlie_o before_o god_n nor_o study_v to_o amend_v and_o reform_v their_o wicked_a life_n write_v vehementlie_o show_v three_o kind_n of_o repentance_n one_o before_o baptism_n in_o they_o that_o be_v of_o year_n another_o after_o baptism_n which_o be_v daily_o sorow_v for_o our_o infirmity_n in_o say_v the_o lord_n prayer_n the_o three_o of_o heinous_a and_o notorious_a sin_n offensive_a to_o the_o church_n of_o they_o that_o be_v excommunicate_v and_o be_v not_o to_o be_v receive_v without_o open_a confession_n and_o sign_n of_o humility_n but_o the_o necessity_n of_o confess_v all_o thing_n to_o a_o poor_a priest_n justly_o occupy_v the_o very_a judgement_n seat_n of_o god_n there_o be_v no_o word_n in_o either_o of_o those_o two_o book_n de_fw-fr medicina_fw-la poenitentiae_fw-la &_o de_fw-la utilitate_fw-la poenitentiae_fw-la allen_n and_o saint_n ambrose_n these_o man_n ancient_n somewhat_o do_v know_v this_o practice_n so_o well_o and_o allow_v it_o that_o he_o do_v sit_v in_o his_o paulino_n own_o person_n on_o confession_n as_o paulinus_n do_v record_n who_o behaviour_n in_o that_o divine_a office_n that_o all_o priest_n may_v perceive_v and_o all_o the_o people_n note_n i_o will_v report_v quotie_n scunque_fw-la illi_fw-la aliquis_fw-la ob_fw-la percipiendam_fw-la poenitentiam_fw-la lapsus_fw-la suos_fw-la confessus_fw-la esset_fw-la it_o a_o flebat_fw-la ut_fw-la ilium_fw-la flere_fw-la compellerat_fw-la causas_fw-la autem_fw-la criminum_fw-la quas_fw-la illi_fw-la confitebaniur_fw-fr nulli_fw-la nisi_fw-la domino_fw-la soli_fw-la apud_fw-la quens_fw-la intercedebat_fw-la loquebatur_fw-la bonum_fw-la relinquens_fw-la exemplum_fw-la posteris_fw-la sacerdotibus_fw-la ut_fw-la intercessores_fw-la apud_fw-la deum_fw-la sin_n magis_fw-la quà m_fw-la accusatores_fw-la apud_fw-la homines_fw-la that_o be_v to_o say_v so_o often_o as_o any_o man_n come_v unto_o he_o to_o confess_v his_o fault_n and_o receive_v penance_n he_o so_o weep_v that_o he_o make_v the_o penitent_a to_o weep_v also_o but_o the_o fault_n themselves_o which_o they_o confess_v he_o utter_v to_o no_o man_n but_o to_o god_n alone_o to_o who_o for_o their_o sin_n he_o make_v suit_n leave_v a_o bless_a example_n to_o all_o priest_n of_o the_o posterity_n to_o account_v themselves_o rather_o as_o intercessor_n to_o god_n for_o sin_n than_o accuser_n of_o man_n before_o the_o world_n for_o their_o sin_n this_o say_v paulinus_n of_o saint_n ambrose_n whereby_o at_o once_o we_o see_v the_o judgement_n of_o they_o both_o for_o our_o matter_n fulke_v the_o judgement_n of_o saint_n ambrose_n concern_v the_o necessity_n of_o popish_a thrift_n or_o auricular_a confession_n we_o have_v
be_v read_v of_o every_o man_n among_o you_o with_o your_o confutation_n and_o doctor_n windham_n then_o say_v that_o no_o wise_a state_n will_v suffer_v it_o neverthe_o less_o our_o state_n god_n be_v thank_v upon_o conscience_n of_o truth_n on_o our_o side_n have_v with_o no_o less_o wisdom_n then_o good_a success_n always_o permit_v your_o book_n with_o our_o answer_n to_o they_o to_o be_v read_v of_o all_o man_n to_o judge_v indifferent_o so_o they_o contain_v nothing_o but_o question_n of_o religion_n and_o not_o shameful_a diffamation_n and_o invective_n against_o the_o prince_n and_o the_o state_n of_o government_n which_o matter_n deserve_v to_o be_v answer_v with_o a_o axe_n or_o a_o halter_n rather_o than_o with_o pen_n and_o paper_n but_o to_o permit_v your_o book_n unconfuted_a to_o have_v free_a passage_n although_o they_o pass_v with_o a_o hundred_o time_n less_o danger_n then_o we_o may_v do_v among_o you_o as_o you_o require_v it_o be_v neither_o wisdom_n godliness_n equity_n nor_o reason_n a_o overthrow_v of_o the_o answer_n to_o master_n charke_n preface_n touch_v discern_v of_o spirit_n m._n chark_n beside_o the_o matter_n in_o question_n etc._n etc._n if_o this_o answerer_n beside_o the_o matter_n in_o question_n have_v not_o make_v many_o unnecessary_a and_o unpertinent_a digression_n the_o substance_n of_o his_o answer_n may_v have_v be_v contain_v almost_o in_o as_o few_o line_n as_o now_o it_o fill_v leaf_n the_o trial_n of_o the_o spirit_n which_o saint_n john_n require_v that_o be_v by_o the_o kind_n of_o doctrine_n in_o teach_v christ_n and_o not_o the_o quality_n of_o the_o teacher_n master_n 4._o charke_n desire_v the_o adversary_n refuse_v allow_v nothing_o final_o but_o the_o only_a and_o false_o name_v title_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o rome_n for_o themselves_o and_o accusation_n of_o the_o person_n some_o perhaps_o true_a some_o utterlie_o false_a against_o us._n to_o this_o practice_n so_o many_o popish_a treatise_n and_o this_o especial_o in_o hand_n do_v give_v testimony_n this_o be_v the_o sum_n of_o master_n charke_n preface_n now_o come_v our_o answerer_n and_o because_o he_o have_v many_o by-quarrel_n to_o deliver_v he_o take_v occasion_n to_o utter_v they_o in_o this_o place_n though_o little_a or_o nothing_o pertain_v to_o the_o direct_a confutation_n of_o master_n charke_n preface_n first_o he_o charge_v master_n charke_n to_o say_v that_o the_o papist_n refuse_v saint_n johns_n trial_n which_o be_v false_a for_o their_o book_n be_v extant_a whereby_o they_o have_v call_v to_o trial_n all_o sectary_n of_o our_o time_n among_o who_o he_o name_v munster_n and_o stancarus_n against_o who_o i_o never_o hear_v what_o papist_n have_v exercise_v their_o style_n especial_o stancarus_n hold_v one_o principle_n come_v very_o near_o to_o their_o position_n of_o christ_n priesthood_n to_o be_v only_o according_a to_o his_o manhood_n as_o stancarus_n teach_v that_o christ_n be_v a_o mediator_n only_o after_o his_o humanity_n but_o read_v their_o book_n who_o shall_v and_o he_o must_v needs_o confess_v master_n charke_n say_v to_o be_v true_a for_o first_o or_o last_o they_o draw_v all_o trial_n to_o rome_n and_o not_o to_o examine_v which_o doctrine_n give_v all_o glory_n to_o god_n by_o jesus_n christ_n our_o only_a saviour_n which_o be_v the_o scope_n of_o saint_n johns_n trial_n but_o if_o we_o have_v not_o desire_v trial_n of_o spirit_n say_v he_o we_o will_v not_o have_v labour_v so_o much_o to_o obtain_v the_o same_o of_o our_o adversary_n in_o free_a print_n preach_v or_o disputation_n you_o speak_v of_o great_a labour_n which_o none_o of_o we_o ever_o hear_v that_o you_o take_v except_o it_o be_v in_o spread_v a_o few_o copy_n of_o campian_n seditious_a libel_n not_o to_o the_o end_n of_o trial_n of_o spirit_n for_o discern_v of_o truth_n but_o to_o the_o stir_v up_o of_o man_n body_n and_o mind_n to_o treason_n and_o ireland_n rebellion_n as_o the_o like_a labour_n by_o the_o like_a messenger_n take_v effect_v and_o make_v manifest_a demonstration_n in_o ireland_n but_o if_o free_a print_n preach_v and_o disputation_n be_v a_o goodway_n for_o discern_v of_o spirit_n that_o christ_n may_v be_v know_v from_o antichrist_n why_o do_v not_o you_o papist_n grant_v the_o same_o in_o spain_n italy_n and_o other_o country_n thrall_n to_o the_o pope_n tyranny_n yet_o assault_v by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o gospel_n as_o by_o the_o power_n of_o christ_n against_o antichrist_n if_o it_o be_v not_o a_o good_a way_n as_o it_o seem_v you_o think_v because_o you_o take_v it_o not_o yourselves_o how_o can_v you_o say_v that_o you_o require_v in_o those_o place_n this_o trial_n of_o spirit_n no_o no_o it_o be_v a_o other_o trial_n of_o the_o sharp_a sword_n that_o you_o mean_v when_o you_o require_v such_o trial_n of_o spirit_n you_o add_v further_o of_o the_o adventure_v of_o your_o life_n in_o come_v and_o offer_v the_o same_o to_o we_o at_o home_n with_o so_o unequal_a condition_n on_o your_o side_n as_o you_o have_v do_v and_o daily_o do_v for_o the_o trial_n of_o truth_n there_o be_v no_o danger_n of_o life_n among_o we_o in_o offer_v the_o trial_n of_o spirit_n according_a to_o saint_n johns_n rule_n but_o in_o seek_v to_o averte_v the_o queen_n subject_n from_o their_o dutiful_a obedience_n unto_o her_o majesty_n to_o make_v a_o way_n for_o the_o execution_n of_o the_o pope_n most_o blasphemous_a and_o traitorous_a bull_n 5._o and_o this_o have_v procure_v most_o just_a and_o necessary_a execution_n of_o some_o few_o of_o you_o and_o not_o as_o you_o slander_v justice_n that_o offer_v to_o try_v the_o truth_n have_v obtain_v nothing_o hitherto_o but_o offence_n accusation_n extreme_a racking_n and_o cruel_a death_n again_o these_o inequal_a condition_n these_o daily_a offer_n these_o many_o petition_n and_o supplication_n that_o you_o speak_v of_o who_o have_v make_v to_o who_o have_v they_o be_v offer_v when_o be_v they_o present_v where_o be_v they_o see_v or_o hear_v by_o who_o be_v they_o refuse_v except_o campian_n ridiculous_a challenge_n be_v all_o in_o all_o with_o you_o but_o what_o will_v a_o papist_n spare_v to_o affirm_v that_o he_o may_v make_v falsehood_n have_v some_o likly_a shape_n of_o truth_n yet_o be_v admit_v that_o you_o offer_v trial_n it_o must_v be_v see_v who_o do_v offer_v best_a mean_n of_o trial_n and_o here_o you_o will_v endeavour_n to_o show_v that_o all_o mean_n of_o trial_n which_o master_n charke_n and_o his_o fellow_n will_v seem_v to_o allow_v in_o word_n for_o they_o offer_v none_o in_o deed_n be_v neither_o sure_a possible_a nor_o evident_a but_o mere_a shift_n to_o avoid_v all_o trial_n and_o that_o yourselves_o do_v offer_v all_o the_o best_a and_o sure_a way_n of_o trial_n that_o ever_o be_v usedin_fw-mi the_o church_n for_o discern_v a_o heretical_a spirit_n from_o a_o catholic_a your_o endeavour_n be_v great_a but_o your_o ability_n be_v small_a for_o you_o shall_v never_o be_v able_a to_o demonstrate_v either_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o howsoever_o with_o vain_a sophistication_n and_o wrest_a authority_n you_o seek_v to_o dazzle_v the_o eye_n of_o the_o simple_a let_v we_o hear_v therefore_o how_o you_o begin_v the_o only_a mean_n of_o trial_n you_o say_v which_o master_n charke_n will_v seem_v to_o allow_v be_v the_o scripture_n but_o this_o be_v a_o shift_n common_a to_o all_o heretic_n especial_o of_o our_o time_n first_o you_o slander_v master_n charke_n in_o say_v that_o he_o allow_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o only_a mean_n of_o trial_n of_o spirit_n whereof_o he_o speak_v not_o at_o all_o in_o this_o preface_n but_o of_o trial_n of_o spirit_n by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v most_o plain_o and_o certenlie_o set_v forth_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o therefore_o by_o the_o holy_a scripture_n the_o doctrine_n may_v best_o and_o most_o certenlie_o 39_o be_v try_v and_o judge_v but_o that_o master_n charke_n by_o refer_v himself_o to_o the_o holy_a scripture_n only_o as_o suffixion_v and_o â—â—le_a to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n of_o religion_n do_v deny_v or_o exclude_v all_o other_o mean_n of_o 〈◊〉_d whereby_o the_o true_a meaning_n of_o the_o scripture_n may_v be_v know_v it_o be_v impudent_a he_o affirm_v without_o either_o proof_n or_o likelihood_n of_o truth_n as_o hereafter_o more_o plain_o will_v appear_v saint_n augustine_n as_o though_o he_o be_v a_o enemy_n of_o conâ—â—â—â—ing_a heresy_n by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n only_o be_v quote_v in_o the_o margin_n de_fw-fr nupt_a &_o concup_n lib_n 2._o cap._n 31_o who_o word_n be_v these_o non_fw-fr est_fw-fr miâ—â—am_fw-la si_fw-mi pelagiani_n dicta_fw-la nostra_fw-la in_o sensus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d volunt_fw-la detoâ—quere_v conaâ—tur_fw-la quando_fw-la de_fw-fr scripture_n sanctis_fw-la non_fw-la ubi_fw-la obscurè_fw-la
aliquid_fw-la dictum_fw-la est_fw-la sed_fw-la ubi_fw-la clara_fw-la â—â—aperta_fw-la sune_fw-la testimonia_fw-la id_fw-la facere_fw-la consueverunt_fw-la more_fw-it quiaâ—â—_fw-la haereâ—icorum_fw-la etiam_fw-la caetâ—rorum_fw-la it_o be_v no_o marvel_v if_o the_o pelagian_o endeavour_n to_o wrest_v our_o say_n into_o what_o sense_n they_o will_v when_o they_o be_v accustom_v to_o do_v the_o same_o by_o the_o holy_a scripture_n not_o where_o any_o thing_n be_v speak_v dark_o but_o where_o the_o testimony_n be_v clear_a and_o manifest_a after_o the_o manner_n indeed_o of_o the_o rest_n of_o heretic_n these_o word_n of_o saint_n augustine_n do_v as_o aptelie_o agree_v to_o the_o papist_n as_o though_o they_o have_v be_v by_o name_n utter_v against_o they_o as_o in_o that_o which_o follow_v you_o shall_v see_v verify_v in_o this_o papist_n who_o both_o wre_v out_o say_n to_o such_o sense_n as_o himself_o please_v and_o also_o the_o holy_a scripture_n themselves_o where_o they_o be_v most_o plain_a and_o evident_a against_o he_o a_o right_a pranek_n of_o old_a herenke_n note_v also_o by_o the_o way_n that_o the_o scripture_n by_o saint_n augustine_n judgement_n contain_v most_o clear_a and_o evident_a testimony_n which_o though_o they_o be_v never_o so_o much_o wrest_v of_o herenke_n yet_o in_o the_o conscience_n of_o all_o that_o love_v the_o truth_n they_o do_v manifest_o deliver_v true_a doctrine_n and_o confute_v false_a and_o therefore_o be_v not_o as_o a_o nose_n of_o wax_n or_o a_o leaden_a rule_n by_o which_o no_o pighius_fw-la certainty_n may_v be_v find_v or_o any_o sure_a trial_n have_v by_o they_o as_o the_o papist_n do_v blaspheme_v the_o next_o quotation_n l._n 3._o cont_n donat._n ca._n 15._o be_v uncertain_a because_o of_o diverse_a treatise_n that_o s._n augustine_n do_v write_v against_o the_o donatist_n but_o i_o guess_v he_o mean_v his_o book_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la contra_fw-la donatistas_n where_o yet_o be_v nothing_o to_o his_o purpose_n or_o to_o any_o purpose_n in_o hand_n but_o that_o the_o scripture_n of_o the_o gospel_n if_o it_o be_v whole_a be_v the_o same_o although_o it_o be_v allege_v by_o innumerable_a heretic_n according_a to_o the_o diversity_n of_o every_o one_o of_o their_o opinion_n and_o so_o baptism_n minister_v by_o heretic_n according_a to_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n be_v the_o same_o what_o opinion_n soever_o the_o heretic_n have_v of_o the_o word_n by_o which_o it_o be_v consecrate_v and_o minister_v he_o say_v also_o that_o the_o snare_n of_o heretic_n and_o schismatics_n be_v therefore_o very_o pernicious_a to_o carnal_a man_n because_o their_o proâ—ting_n in_o knowledge_n be_v shut_v from_o they_o their_o sentence_n of_o vanity_n be_v confirm_v against_o the_o catholic_a truth_n and_o their_o sentence_n of_o dissension_n be_v conâ—â—â—med_v agâ—inâ—_n the_o catholic_a peace_n these_o thing_n be_v true_a of_o obstinate_a heretic_n and_o consequent_o of_o papist_n but_o they_o make_v nothing_o against_o master_n chark_n or_o for_o the_o trial_n of_o spirit_n which_o be_v the_o question_n now_o debate_v between_o he_o &_o his_o adversary_n but_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v sufficient_a to_o beat_v down_o all_o heresy_n and_o to_o reach_v all_o truth_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o the_o only_a sure_a and_o certain_a trial_n whereby_o all_o doctrine_n be_v to_o be_v examine_v and_o adjudge_v the_o same_o augustine_n do_v plentifullie_o and_o in_o many_o place_n of_o his_o work_n declare_v and_o even_o in_o that_o same_o work_n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la contra_fw-la donatistas_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 2._o de_fw-la unitate_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la cap._n 2_o &_o 3._o &_o 16._o de_fw-fr nup_n &_o conc_fw-fr lib._n 2._o cap._n 29._o de_fw-la peccat_fw-la merit_n &_o remiss_a lib._n 3._o cap._n 7._o de_fw-la natura_fw-la &_o gratia_fw-la cap._n 60._o etc._n etc._n three_o cause_n there_o be_v say_v our_o answerer_n of_o appeal_n only_o to_o scripture_n the_o first_o to_o get_v credit_n with_o the_o people_n by_o name_v of_o scripture_n &_o to_o seem_v to_o honour_v it_o more_o than_o their_o adversary_n do_v by_o refer_v the_o whole_a trial_n of_o matter_n unto_o it_o to_o win_v credit_n by_o cleave_v to_o the_o authority_n of_o god_n express_v in_o his_o holy_a word_n write_v and_o to_o honour_v it_o by_o acknowledge_v the_o sufficiency_n thereof_o for_o the_o trial_n of_o all_o matter_n of_o religion_n that_o may_v come_v in_o controversy_n be_v no_o shift_n of_o heretic_n or_o new_a teacher_n but_o the_o ancient_a practice_n of_o the_o best_a and_o most_o approve_a catholic_n to_o pretend_v these_o thing_n in_o show_n and_o not_o to_o accomplish_v they_o in_o deed_n be_v the_o guise_n of_o hypocrite_n what_o religion_n soevet_n they_o will_v seem_v to_o maintain_v the_o second_o cause_n say_v he_o be_v by_o exclude_v counsel_n father_n and_o ancestor_n of_o the_o church_n who_o from_o time_n to_o time_n have_v declare_v the_o true_a sexse_n of_o scripture_n unto_o we_o to_o reserve_v unto_o themselves_o liberty_n and_o authority_n to_o make_v what_o meaning_n of_o scripture_n they_o please_v and_o thereby_o to_o give_v colour_n to_o every_o fancy_n they_o listen_v to_o teach_v but_o master_n charke_n and_o his_o fellow_n give_v the_o sovereign_a authority_n to_o the_o only_a scripture_n do_v not_o at_o all_o exclude_v counsel_n father_n and_o ancestor_n of_o the_o church_n except_o it_o be_v in_o case_n where_o they_o teach_v contrary_a to_o the_o manifest_a scripture_n of_o god_n which_o do_v either_o in_o express_a and_o plain_a word_n or_o else_o by_o most_o easy_a and_o necessary_a conclusion_n deliver_v unto_o the_o church_n all_o thing_n needful_a to_o be_v credit_v and_o know_v unto_o eternal_a life_n as_o both_o the_o apostle_n testify_v 2._o timoth._n 3._o and_o s._n augustine_n a_o worthy_a father_n &_o ancient_a of_o the_o church_n consent_v ep._n iii_o fortunatiano_n neque_fw-la enim_fw-la quorumlibet_fw-la disputationes_fw-la quamuis_fw-la catholicorun_n &_o laudatorum_fw-la hominum_fw-la velut_fw-la scripturas_fw-la canonicas_fw-la habere_fw-la debemus_fw-la ut_fw-la nobis_fw-la nonliceat_fw-la salua_fw-la honorificentia_fw-la quae_fw-la illis_fw-la dcbetur_fw-la hominibus_fw-la aliquid_fw-la in_o eorum_fw-la scriptis_fw-la improbare_fw-la atque_fw-la respuere_fw-la si_fw-la fortè_fw-la invenerimus_fw-la quòdaliter_fw-la senserint_fw-la quà m_fw-la veritas_fw-la habet_fw-la divino_fw-la adiutorio_fw-la vel_fw-la ab_fw-la aliis_fw-la intellecta_fw-la vel_fw-la à _fw-la nobis_fw-la talis_fw-la ego_fw-la sum_fw-la in_o scriptis_fw-la aliorum_fw-la tale_n volo_fw-la esse_fw-la intellectores_fw-la meorum_fw-la denique_fw-la in_o his_o omnibus_fw-la quae_fw-la de_fw-la opusculis_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la atque_fw-la doctorum_fw-la commemoravi_fw-la ambrosij_fw-la hyeronimi_fw-la athanasij_fw-la gregorij_fw-la &_o siqua_fw-la aliorum_fw-la talia_fw-la ita_fw-la legere_fw-la potui_fw-la for_o we_o ought_v not_o to_o account_v the_o disputation_n of_o all_o man_n although_o they_o be_v catholic_a &_o praise_v worthy_a as_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n that_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v lawful_a for_o we_o save_v the_o reverence_n which_o be_v due_a to_o these_o man_n to_o disallow_v and_o reject_v something_o in_o their_o writing_n if_o perhaps_o we_o have_v find_v out_o that_o they_o have_v think_v otherwise_o then_o the_o truth_n be_v of_o thing_n by_o god_n help_v either_o understand_v of_o other_o or_o of_o ourselves_o such_o one_o be_o i_o in_o the_o writing_n of_o other_o man_n such_o will_v i_o have_v other_o man_n to_o be_v understander_n of_o my_o writing_n final_o in_o all_o these_o which_o i_o have_v rehearse_v out_o of_o the_o work_n of_o holy_a and_o learned_a man_n ambros_n hicrott_n athanasius_n gregory_n andif_a i_o can_v so_o read_v any_o like_a of_o other_o man_n writing_n etc._n etc._n also_o ep._n 112._o pauline_n 〈◊〉_d scripturarum_fw-la earum_fw-la scilicet_fw-la quae_fw-la canonicae_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la nominantur_fw-la perspicua_fw-la firmatur_fw-la authoritate_fw-la fine_fw-la ulla_fw-la dubitatione_n credendum_fw-la est_fw-la aliis_fw-la verò_fw-la testibus_fw-la vel_fw-la testimoniis_fw-la quibus_fw-la aliquid_fw-la credendum_fw-la esse_fw-la suadetur_fw-la tibi_fw-la credere_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la credere_fw-la liceat_fw-la quantum_fw-la meriti_fw-la ea_fw-la admonentem_fw-la ad_fw-la faciendam_fw-la fidem_fw-la vel_fw-la habere_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la habere_fw-la perpenderis_fw-la what_o scever_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o plain_a &_o clear_a authority_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n of_o those_o true_o which_o be_v call_v in_o the_o church_n canonical_a without_o all_o doubt_n be_v to_o be_v believe_v but_o other_o witness_n or_o testimony_n by_o which_o any_o thing_n be_v counsel_v to_o be_v believe_v it_o be_v lawful_a for_o thou_o to_o believe_v or_o not_o according_a as_o thou_o shall_v weigh_v what_o worthiness_n he_o that_o counsel_v those_o thing_n have_v to_o cause_v credit_n or_o else_o have_v not_o again_o de_fw-fr doctrina_fw-la christiana_fw-la lib._n 3._o cap._n 6._o magnificè_fw-la &_o salubriter_fw-la spiritus_fw-la sanctus_fw-la ita_fw-la scripturas_fw-la sanctas_fw-la modificavit_fw-la ut_fw-la locis_fw-la apertioribus_fw-la fami_fw-la occurreret_fw-la obscurioribus_fw-la autem_fw-la
fastidia_fw-la detergeret_fw-la nihil_fw-la enim_fw-la fere_n de_fw-la illis_fw-la obscuritatibus_fw-la eruitur_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la planissimè_fw-la dictum_fw-la alibi_fw-la reperiatur_fw-la the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v magnifical_o and_o wholsomlie_o so_o temper_v the_o holy_a scripture_n that_o with_o evident_a place_n he_o may_v satisfy_v hunger_n and_o with_o more_o dark_a place_n may_v wipe_v away_o disdainfulnes_n for_o nothing_o almost_o be_v find_v out_o of_o those_o obscurity_n which_o be_v not_o find_v else_o where_o most_o plain_o utter_v it_o be_v no_o hard_a matter_n to_o heap_v up_o many_o testimony_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n to_o this_o purpose_n but_o that_o the_o va_fw-fr nitie_n of_o this_o answerer_n appear_v sufficient_o in_o all_o our_o book_n write_v against_o the_o papist_n in_o which_o not_o only_o by_o the_o manifest_a place_n of_o the_o scripture_n but_o also_o by_o most_o evident_a testimony_n of_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n we_o confute_v they_o in_o the_o most_o and_o great_a matter_n of_o controversy_n that_o eat_v between_o us._n but_o what_o say_v our_o gallant_a answerer_n that_o the_o counsel_n father_n and_o anciter_n of_o thechurch_n have_v from_o time_n to_o timedeclare_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n unto_o we_o have_v none_o of_o these_o at_o any_o time_n err_v in_o expound_v the_o scripture_n &_o may_v we_o safe_o believe_v they_o whatsoever_o they_o say_v he_o will_v i_o warrant_v you_o deny_v it_o except_o the_o pope_n of_o rome_n do_v allow_v their_o interpretation_n and_o therefore_o this_o fly_v from_o the_o only_a scripture_n to_o the_o interpretation_n of_o count_n cell_n father_n &_o ancestor_n of_o the_o church_n be_v nothing_o else_o but_o a_o impudent_a shift_n to_o reserve_v unto_o the_o pope_n liberty_n &_o authority_n to_o make_v what_o meaning_n of_o scripture_n they_o please_v &_o thereby_o to_o give_v colour_n to_o every_o fancy_n they_o listen_v to_o father_n it_o upon_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n the_o three_o cause_n he_o affirm_v to_o be_v that_o by_o chaleng_v of_o only_a scripture_n they_o may_v deliver_v themselves_o from_o all_o ordinan_n ces_fw-fr or_o doctrine_n leave_v unto_o we_o by_o the_o first_o pillar_n of_o christ_n church_n though_o not_o express_o set_v down_o in_o the_o scripture_n etc._n etc._n in_o deed_n to_o deliver_v ourselves_o from_o the_o burden_n of_o man_n tradition_n the_o ordinance_n or_o doctrine_n of_o man_n we_o affirm_v 3._o the_o holy_a scripture_n to_o be_v able_a and_o sufficient_a to_o make_v we_o wise_a unto_o salvation_n by_o faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n as_o the_o apostle_n and_o principal_a pillar_n of_o the_o church_n have_v teach_v we_o who_o have_v leave_v no_o such_o ordinance_n or_o doctrine_n but_o they_o be_v either_o express_o set_v down_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n or_o by_o plain_a and_o necessary_a collection_n to_o be_v gather_v out_o of_o the_o same_o for_o how_o will_v our_o adversary_n prove_v that_o any_o thing_n be_v receive_v from_o the_o apostle_n which_o have_v not_o testimony_n out_o of_o the_o writing_n of_o the_o apostle_n who_o can_v be_v a_o sufficient_a witness_n of_o such_o the_o livery_n see_v many_o thing_n be_v of_o old_a refer_v to_o the_o apostle_n tradition_n which_o even_o our_o adversary_n do_v 26._o not_o admit_v to_o be_v apostolical_a see_v the_o most_o ancient_a and_o immediate_a successor_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o polyearpus_fw-la &_o anicetus_n can_v not_o agree_v about_o a_o ceremony_n receive_v from_o the_o apostle_n namely_o the_o celebration_n of_o easter_n what_o certainty_n can_v there_o be_v of_o any_o other_o ordinance_n or_o doctine_n father_v upon_o the_o apostle_n without_o witness_n of_o their_o writing_n yea_o and_o some_o time_n direct_o contrary_a and_o repugnant_a to_o their_o writing_n but_o hereof_o say_v our_o adversary_n they_o assume_v authority_n of_o allow_v or_o not_o allow_v whatsoever_o like_v or_o serve_v their_o turn_n for_o the_o time_n and_o hereof_o he_o bring_v example_n first_o of_o the_o number_n of_o sacrament_n whereof_o some_o protestant_n have_v write_v diverslie_o because_o the_o name_n of_o sacrament_n be_v diverslie_o take_v sometime_o large_o for_o every_o holy_a sign_n sometime_o strict_o for_o such_o holy_a sign_n only_o as_o be_v institute_v of_o god_n be_v seal_n of_o the_o dispensation_n of_o his_o general_a grace_n in_o the_o new_a teftament_n pertain_v to_o every_o member_n of_o the_o church_n sometime_o for_o all_o holy_a mystery_n or_o secret_n etc._n etc._n but_o what_o do_v it_o serve_v any_o protestant_n turn_v whether_o there_o be_v more_o or_o few_o sign_n in_o number_n that_o may_v be_v call_v sacrament_n see_v all_o protestant_n agree_v about_o the_o thing_n themselves_o that_o be_v set_v forth_o in_o the_o scripture_n to_o be_v visible_a sign_n of_o grace_n invisible_a and_o the_o name_n itself_o sacrament_n in_o that_o sense_n we_o speak_v of_o when_o we_o say_v there_o be_v 2._o 3._o 4._o or_o 7._o sacrament_n be_v not_o once_o use_v this_o diversity_n therefore_o be_v but_o of_o a_o term_n and_o that_o not_o use_v in_o scripture_n therefore_o it_o arise_v not_o of_o any_o interpretation_n or_o perverse_a understanding_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o our_o answerer_n will_v have_v it_o seem_v to_o be_v but_o let_v we_o hear_v his_o example_n martin_n luther_n say_v he_o after_o he_o have_v deny_v all_o testimony_n of_o man_n beside_o himself_o he_o begin_v thus_o about_o the_o number_n of_o sacrament_n principiò_fw-la neganda_fw-la mihisunt_fw-la septem_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la &_o tantúm_fw-la tria_fw-la pro_fw-la tempore_fw-la ponenda_fw-la first_o of_o all_o i_o must_v deny_v seven_o sacrament_n and_o appoint_v three_o for_o the_o time_n marry_o this_o time_n last_v not_o long_o for_o in_o the_o same_o place_n he_o say_v that_o if_o he_o will_v speak_v according_a to_o the_o use_n of_o only_a scripture_n he_o have_v but_o one_o sacrament_n for_o we_o that_o be_v baptism_n in_o this_o sentence_n how_o many_o lie_n and_o slander_n be_v pack_v together_o first_o he_o say_v martin_n luther_n deni_v all_o testimony_n of_o man_n which_o be_v false_a for_o he_o allow_v all_o testimony_n of_o man_n that_o agree_v with_o the_o testimony_n of_o god_n express_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o often_o cit_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n for_o confirmation_n of_o the_o truth_n which_o he_o teach_v indeed_o he_o allow_v man_n no_o authority_n to_o institute_v sacrament_n or_o to_o make_v article_n of_o faith_n or_o law_n to_o bind_v the_o conscience_n of_o man_n and_o he_o will_v have_v all_o man_n testimony_n to_o be_v examine_v and_o judge_v according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n but_o this_o be_v not_o to_o deny_v all_o testimony_n of_o man_n but_o to_o distinguish_v true_a testimony_n of_o man_n from_o false_a an_o other_o slander_n be_v where_o he_o say_v that_o luther_n in_o deny_v all_o man_n testimony_n except_v himself_o which_o be_v altogether_o untrue_a for_o he_o require_v none_o other_o credit_n to_o be_v give_v to_o his_o own_o testimony_n than_o he_o allow_v to_o the_o testimony_n of_o other_o neither_o do_v he_o arrogate_v any_o authority_n to_o himself_o which_o he_o derogate_v from_o other_o man_n and_o namely_o in_o this_o book_n of_o the_o captivity_n of_o babylon_n he_o take_v not_o upon_o he_o absolute_o to_o teach_v every_o point_n but_o so_o far_o forth_o as_o he_o do_v for_o the_o present_n understand_v of_o they_o promise_v after_o great_a study_n &_o more_o diligent_a inquiry_n to_o entreat_v of_o diverse_a of_o they_o more_o certain_o &_o even_o in_o this_o very_a place_n of_o the_o number_n of_o the_o sacrament_n he_o say_v he_o will_v admit_v three_o onclie_n for_o the_o present_a time_n intend_v to_o be_v further_o a_o duised_a whether_o there_o be_v few_o or_o more_o to_o be_v entitle_v with_o that_o name_n wherein_o our_o answerer_n offer_v he_o the_o three_o injury_n in_o translate_n tria_fw-la pro_fw-la tempore_fw-la ponenda_fw-la i_o must_v appoint_v three_o for_o the_o time_n as_o though_o luther_n have_v take_v upon_o he_o to_o appoint_v how_o many_o sacrament_n the_o church_n shall_v have_v or_o will_v challenge_v power_n to_o appoint_v more_o or_o jesse_n at_o his_o pleasure_n where_o as_o his_o word_n if_o the_o answerer_n do_v not_o wilful_o corrupt_v they_o by_o false_a translation_n do_v import_v no_o such_o thing_n but_o only_o as_o far_o as_o he_o do_v present_o see_v there_o be_v no_o more_o but_o three_o of_o those_o that_o be_v common_o call_v sacrament_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n which_o be_v right_o to_o be_v call_v by_o that_o name_n the_o four_o slander_n be_v that_o luther_n have_v but_o one_o sacrament_n for_o we_o which_o be_v baptism_n if_o he_o will_v speak_v according_a to_o the_o use_n of_o only_a scripture_n yea_o this_o be_v a_o double_a slander_n for_o neither_o do_v
luther_n say_v that_o he_o have_v but_o one_o sacrament_n for_o we_o in_o that_o mea_fw-la ning_v of_o the_o word_n sacrament_n in_o which_o he_o be_v charge_v by_o the_o caviller_n to_o alter_v his_o opinion_n so_o short_o but_o in_o a_o other_o meaning_n neither_o do_v he_o say_v that_o this_o one_o sacrament_n be_v haptisme_n in_o which_o i_o can_v but_o wonder_v at_o the_o impudence_n of_o this_o fellow_n that_o forge_v this_o last_o lie_n in_o his_o own_o brain_n without_o all_o colour_n or_o show_v of_o luther_n word_n as_o though_o luther_n will_v allow_v no_o sacrament_n of_o the_o church_n but_o baptism_n the_o word_n of_o luther_n be_v these_o of_o the_o number_n of_o sacrament_n after_o he_o have_v deny_v the_o number_n of_o seven_o &_o admit_v for_o the_o present_a but_o three_o namely_o baptism_n penance_n &_o the_o supper_n all_o which_o he_o affirm_v by_o the_o court_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v bring_v bab._n into_o miserable_a captivity_n and_o the_o church_n spoil_v of_o all_o her_o liberty_n he_o add_v quanquam_fw-la si_fw-la usu_fw-la scripturae_fw-la loqui_fw-la velim_fw-la non_fw-la nisi'vnum_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la habeam_fw-la &_o tria_fw-la signa_fw-la sacrament_n alia_fw-la de_fw-la quo_fw-la latiùs_fw-la svo_fw-la tempore_fw-la although_o if_o i_o will_v speak_v after_o the_o use_n of_o scripture_n i_o have_v but_o one_o sacrament_n and_o three_o sacramental_a sign_n whereof_o more_o at_o large_a in_o due_a time_n this_o one_o sacrament_n whereof_o he_o speak_v be_v the_o holy_a mystery_n or_o secret_a of_o our_o redemption_n or_o salvation_n by_o jesus_n christ_n of_o which_o the_o other_o that_o be_v common_o call_v sacrament_n be_v holy_a and_o mystical_a sign_n so_o that_o herein_o he_o change_v no_o opinion_n of_o the_o thing_n but_o only_o speak_v of_o the_o diverse_a take_n of_o the_o word_n well_o yet_o will_v our_o a_o duersarie_n reply_n he_o allow_v three_o sacrament_n so_o do_v the_o confession_n of_o auspurge_n melancthon_n four_o and_o caluine_v two_o and_o all_o this_o by_o only_a scripture_n i_o have_v show_v before_o sufficient_o that_o this_o question_n of_o the_o number_n of_o those_o sign_n that_o may_v be_v call_v sacrament_n proper_o or_o unproperlie_o general_o or_o special_o be_v not_o determinable_a by_o the_o holy_a scripture_n because_o this_o name_n of_o sacrament_n be_v not_o find_v in_o they_o those_o holy_a mystery_n which_o by_o external_a element_n do_v testify_v the_o invisible_a grace_n of_o god_n work_v in_o we_o unto_o our_o salvation_n by_o regeneration_n and_o preservation_n be_v plain_o set_v forth_o in_o the_o scripture_n baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n without_o name_v they_o sacrament_n which_o comprehend_v that_o whole_a mystery_n of_o our_o salvation_n which_o luther_n call_v the_o only_a sacrament_n by_o the_o use_n of_o the_o scripture_n according_a to_o which_o explication_n of_o the_o word_n sacrament_n there_o be_v but_o two_o so_o right_o proper_o and_o special_o to_o be_v term_v according_a to_o the_o ancient_a usage_n of_o the_o latin_a church_n and_o no_o more_o acknowledge_v by_o any_o protestant_n of_o sound_a religion_n for_o luther_n his_o enemy_n shall_v testify_v which_o be_v appoint_v to_o gather_v out_o of_o his_o writing_n whatsoever_o they_o think_v to_o be_v erroneous_a to_o be_v object_v against_o he_o &_o this_o be_v their_o censure_n negate_fw-la septem_fw-la esse_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la sed_fw-la tantùm_fw-la tria_fw-la pro_fw-la tempore_fw-la ponenda_fw-la baptismum_fw-la poenitentiam_fw-la panem_fw-la immo_n non_fw-la nisi_fw-la unum_fw-la esse_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la &_o tria_fw-la figna_fw-la sacramentalia_fw-la duo_o tamen_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la dei_fw-la esse_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la baptismum_fw-la &_o panem_fw-la he_o deni_v say_v the_o collector_n that_o there_o be_v seven_o sacrament_n but_o that_o three_o only_o for_o the_o time_n be_v to_o be_v admit_v baptism_n penance_n and_o the_o bread_n nay_o rather_o that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o sacrament_n and_o three_o sacramental_a sign_n nevertheless_o there_o be_v two_o sacrament_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n baptism_n and_o the_o bread_n luther_n judgement_n thus_o appear_v by_o the_o confestion_n of_o his_o own_o adversary_n that_o as_o baptism_n and_o the_o supper_n be_v call_v sacrament_n there_o be_v no_o more_o that_o right_o and_o proper_o can_v bear_v that_o name_n the_o confession_n of_o auspurge_n and_o melancthon_n which_o as_o our_o answerer_n say_v pretend_v and_o profess_v to_o follow_v luther_n in_o all_o thing_n can_v have_v none_o other_o meaning_n in_o this_o matter_n of_o the_o number_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n and_o melancthon_n express_o discourse_v of_o the_o term_n sacrament_n show_v how_o diverslie_o it_o may_v be_v take_v to_o comprehend_v two_o three_o or_o four_o and_o in_o the_o last_o edition_n of_o his_o common_a place_n where_o he_o answer_v the_o article_n of_o the_o bavaricall_a inquisition_n he_o hold_v but_o two_o proper_o to_o be_v call_v sacrament_n as_o luther_n before_o he_o in_o his_o catechism_n the_o great_a and_o the_o lesser_a wherefore_o this_o frivolous_a cavil_n be_v thus_o easy_o discuss_v to_o the_o shame_n of_o the_o caviller_n and_o to_o the_o attestation_n of_o our_o consent_n in_o the_o matter_n and_o substance_n of_o truth_n the_o like_a brabble_n of_o word_n he_o make_v of_o the_o title_n of_o head_n of_o the_o church_n which_o caluine_n and_o the_o magdeburgean_n do_v mislike_v and_o caluine_n in_o king_n henry_n find_v to_o be_v antichristian_a but_o caluine_n follower_n in_o england_n do_v find_v by_o only_o scripure_a to_o be_v most_o christian._n where_o all_o the_o dissension_n be_v in_o the_o term_n which_o be_v right_o understand_v as_o by_o law_n it_o have_v be_v confirm_v unto_o the_o prince_n contain_v no_o other_o authority_n then_o caluine_a and_o all_o other_o professor_n of_o the_o gospel_n do_v acknowledge_v to_o pertain_v unto_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n and_o be_v prove_v to_o be_v most_o christian_a not_o only_o by_o scripture_n but_o also_o by_o testimony_n of_o the_o most_o ancient_a and_o catholic_a father_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o show_v but_o that_o it_o be_v here_o no_o place_n to_o decide_v these_o controversy_n the_o title_n of_o supreme_a head_n of_o the_o church_n grant_v to_o king_n henry_n caluine_n say_v be_v blaspheomus_fw-la not_o as_o it_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o godly_a at_o that_o time_n but_o as_o it_o be_v apply_v by_o stephen_n gardiner_n who_o in_o a_o conference_n at_o ratisbone_n care_v not_o much_o for_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o scripture_n but_o say_v it_o be_v in_o the_o king_n power_n to_o abrogate_v decree_n and_o to_o institute_v new_a ceremony_n as_o to_o appoint_v day_n of_o fast_v abstinence_n from_o flesh_n etc._n etc._n and_o not_o stay_v there_o he_o proceed_v further_o to_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o the_o king_n to_o forbid_v marriage_n unto_o priest_n to_o forbid_v the_o lay_v people_n to_o drink_v of_o the_o cup_n in_o the_o lord_n supper_n and_o general_o to_o command_v or_o for_o bid_v in_o his_o kingdom_n what_o he_o will_v because_o he_o have_v sovereign_a authority_n this_o authority_n or_o the_o title_n in_o this_o sense_n neither_o our_o prince_n do_v accept_v neither_o do_v any_o godly_a man_n allow_v unto_o they_o a_o three_o example_n he_o bring_v of_o burn_v of_o heretic_n wherein_o he_o say_v the_o protestant_n a_o great_a while_n by_o only_a scripture_n defend_v against_o the_o catholic_n that_o no_o heretic_n may_v be_v burn_v or_o put_v to_o death_n whereof_o large_a book_n be_v write_v on_o both_o part_n now_o they_o have_v find_v by_o evident_a scripture_n that_o they_o may_v be_v burn_v as_o though_o there_o be_v not_o controversy_n enough_o between_o the_o papist_n and_o the_o protestant_n this_o man_n will_v needs_o make_v more_o as_o this_o of_o put_v blasphemous_a heretic_n to_o death_n which_o be_v never_o deny_v the_o scripture_n of_o ston_a blasphemer_n false_a prophet_n and_o idolater_n be_v so_o manifest_a a._n nabaptist_n indeed_o and_o such_o like_a sectary_n be_v loath_a that_o heretic_n shall_v be_v punish_v with_o death_n but_o there_o have_v bone_n long_a book_n say_v he_o write_v thereof_o on_o both_o part_n if_o you_o ask_v he_o by_o who_o he_o bid_v you_o in_o the_o margin_n look_v eckius_fw-la in_o encher_n and_o luther_n contra_fw-la latom._n de_fw-la incendiariis_fw-la will_v you_o not_o think_v this_o follow_n have_v read_v these_o treatise_n for_o burn_v of_o heretic_n pro_fw-la &_o contra_fw-la whereunto_o he_o send_v we_o to_o justify_v his_o say_n of_o large_a book_n write_v on_o both_o part_n but_o in_o truth_n he_o either_o never_o see_v the_o book_n or_o else_o he_o be_v the_o most_o impudent_a forger_n that_o ever_o be_v hear_v of_o for_o fckius_fw-la in_o his_o little_a book_n call_v encheridion_n loco_fw-la 27._o de_fw-la hereticis_fw-la comburendis_fw-la
which_o be_v but_o a_o short_a section_n or_o chap_n er_fw-mi do_v not_o charge_n luther_n with_o this_o opinion_n of_o heretic_n not_o to_o be_v burn_v but_o the_o donatist_n who_o fancy_n be_v renew_v again_o in_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o libertine_n as_o for_o luther_n contra_fw-la latomum_fw-la deincendiariis_fw-la handle_v not_o this_o controversy_n at_o all_o but_o only_o expostulate_v with_o the_o divine_v of_o lovane_a which_o burn_v his_o book_n without_o examination_n or_o conviction_n of_o they_o out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n many_o man_n have_v complain_v and_o that_o most_o justly_o of_o the_o cruelty_n of_o the_o papist_n in_o burn_v as_o heretic_n the_o true_a saint_n martyr_n and_o member_n of_o the_o church_n who_o faith_n and_o religion_n they_o be_v never_o able_a to_o convince_v of_o heresy_n by_o the_o authority_n of_o god_n word_n but_o that_o no_o blasphemer_n or_o obstinate_a heretic_n maintain_v blasphemy_n against_o the_o express_a and_o manifest_a truth_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v punish_v by_o death_n i_o be_o persuade_v he_o can_v bring_v no_o book_n or_o author_n of_o any_o account_n that_o so_o hold_v fourthlie_o he_o add_v that_o luther_n by_o only_a scripture_n find_v the_o sacramentary_n to_o be_v heretic_n d._n fulk_n by_o the_o same_o scripture_n find_v that_o both_o party_n be_v good_a catholic_n but_o as_o luther_n err_v in_o his_o opinion_n of_o the_o sacrament_n so_o he_o be_v over_o rash_a in_o condemn_v those_o who_o he_o call_v sacramentary_n nevertheless_o see_v he_o err_v of_o ignorance_n and_o inconsiderate_a zeal_n he_o have_v find_v mercy_n with_o god_n and_o be_v not_o to_o be_v adjudge_v as_o a_o blasphemous_a heretic_n for_o neither_o the_o error_n he_o maintain_v be_v blasphemy_n in_o itself_o neither_o do_v he_o hold_v it_o contrary_a to_o his_o knowledge_n but_o as_o he_o be_v ignorantlie_o persuade_v with_o zeal_n of_o truth_n though_o deceive_v with_o error_n how_o doctor_n fulke_n proove_v this_o not_o only_o by_o scripture_n but_o also_o by_o example_n of_o ancient_a father_n err_v in_o like_a case_n and_o yet_o not_o to_o be_v condemn_v for_o heretic_n you_o may_v read_v in_o the_o place_n by_o this_o answerer_n quote_v and_o in_o his_o confutation_n of_o popish_a quarrel_n his_o last_o example_n be_v of_o many_o thing_n which_o master_n whitgift_n do_v defend_v against_o thomas_n cartwright_n to_o be_v lawful_a by_o scripture_n as_o bishop_n dcanes_n archdeacon_n official_o holy_a day_n and_o a_o hundred_o more_o which_o in_o geneva_n be_v hold_v to_o be_v flat_o conirarie_a to_o the_o scripture_n there_o be_v many_o thing_n lawful_a by_o scripture_n which_o yet_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o be_v use_v the_o form_n of_o external_a government_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o so_o express_o set_v down_o in_o holy_a scripture_n but_o that_o evetie_n particular_a church_n have_v liberty_n and_o must_v of_o necessity_n appoint_v many_o thing_n for_o order_n decency_n and_o government_n which_o be_v not_o in_o express_a term_n contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n even_o as_o god_n shall_v give_v they_o grace_n to_o see_v what_o be_v most_o expedient_a according_a to_o the_o difference_n of_o time_n place_n and_o person_n for_o the_o build_n up_o of_o the_o church_n in_o truth_n and_o love_n wherefore_o although_o the_o church_n of_o geneva_n in_o the_o form_n of_o outward_a regiment_n rite_n and_o discipline_n differ_v from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v not_o use_v the_o same_o thing_n that_o we_o do_v yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o they_o hold_v they_o to_o be_v flat_a contrary_n to_o the_o scripture_n neither_o be_v our_o answerer_n able_a sound_o to_o prove_v that_o he_o do_v so_o bold_o assevere_v to_o proceed_v he_o tell_v we_o what_o advantage_n herctike_n have_v by_o only_a scripture_n they_o make_v themselves_o thereby_o judge_n of_o doctor_n counsel_n history_n president_n cusiome_n prescription_n yea_o of_o the_o book_n of_o scripture_n &_o sense_n itself_o reserve_v all_o interpretation_n to_o themselves_o but_o this_o be_v nothing_o so_o for_o howsoeverheretike_n take_v upon_o they_o to_o control_v all_o thing_n according_a to_o their_o fantasy_n yet_o have_v they_o no_o advantage_n by_o only_a scripture_n but_o thereby_o may_v be_v &_o be_v confound_v when_o they_o come_v to_o examination_n &_o tri_fw-la all_o and_o as_o for_o the_o professor_n of_o the_o gospel_n which_o acknowledge_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v sufficient_a to_o teach_v all_o 5._o thing_n needful_a to_o be_v knowneunto_o salvation_n although_o they_o be_v by_o god_n himself_o make_v judge_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o all_o man_n by_o exact_v they_o unto_o the_o trial_n of_o the_o word_n of_o 17._o god_n which_o be_v the_o only_a certain_a rule_n of_o truth_n yet_o do_v they_o not_o by_o private_a authority_n judge_v of_o counsel_n doctor_n father_n custom_n etc._n etc._n but_o by_o that_o charge_n which_o be_v lay_v upon_o they_o to_o judge_v &_o condemn_v even_o the_o angel_n 1._o from_o heaven_n if_o they_o shall_v bring_v any_o other_o gospel_n then_o that_o which_o the_o apostle_n have_v preach_v without_o all_o arrogancy_n or_o insolency_n against_o the_o angel_n counsel_n doctor_n father_n &_o whatsoever_o but_o in_o give_v god_n the_o glory_n to_o be_v only_o true_a &_o all_o man_n to_o be_v liar_n &_o no_o angel_n to_o be_v credit_v except_o they_o speak_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n of_o who_o speech_n we_o have_v no_o certain_a demonstration_n but_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n &_o whatsoever_o be_v agreeable_a unto_o they_o the_o discern_a of_o the_o book_n of_o scripture_n &_o of_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o they_o be_v also_o commit_v unto_o the_o church_n &_o the_o faithful_a member_n thereof_o that_o doutful_a book_n be_v judge_v by_o those_o that_o without_o doubt_n be_v indict_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n &_o deliver_v to_o the_o church_n by_o faithful_a witness_n &_o instrument_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n to_o be_v of_o sovereign_a and_o perpetual_a authority_n in_o the_o church_n and_o so_o be_v know_v and_o take_v of_o the_o true_a church_n from_o time_n to_o time_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o although_o the_o same_o truth_n may_v be_v find_v in_o other_o book_n yet_o as_o saint_n augustine_n say_v they_o be_v not_o of_o the_o same_o authority_n because_o there_o be_v not_o such_o certainty_n of_o truth_n as_o for_o the_o sense_n and_o interpretation_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n it_o must_v be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n themselves_o which_o be_v always_o the_o best_a and_o sure_a interpretation_n of_o themselves_o in_o all_o point_v necessary_a to_o be_v know_v with_o the_o aid_n of_o the_o gift_n of_o tongue_n the_o gift_n of_o knowledge_n the_o gift_n of_o interpretation_n in_o they_o that_o have_v labour_v in_o find_v out_o the_o sense_n thereof_o according_a to_o the_o analogy_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v comprehend_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o that_o in_o place_n so_o plain_a and_o evident_a as_o they_o need_v no_o interpretation_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v wrest_v by_o damnable_a heretic_n without_o great_a impudency_n and_o against_o their_o own_o conscience_n for_o which_o cause_n saint_n paul_n will_v a_o heretic_n after_o the_o first_o &_o second_o admonition_n to_o be_v avoid_v as_o one_o who_o though_o he_o will_v not_o acknowledge_v the_o truth_n yet_o he_o be_v condemn_v in_o his_o own_o conscience_n and_o sin_v unto_o eternal_a damnation_n wherefore_o counsel_n father_n doctor_n custom_n example_n be_v by_o we_o admit_v but_o not_o hand_n over_o head_n without_o distinction_n but_o such_o &_o so_o far_o forth_o as_o they_o be_v true_a and_o faithful_a interpreter_n of_o the_o scripture_n by_o matter_n and_o place_n plain_a &_o certain_o know_v open_v matter_n &_o place_n obscure_a and_o unknown_a which_o be_v the_o office_n of_o a_o expounder_n &_o not_o to_o determine_v by_o his_o own_o authority_n of_o another_o meaning_n whereof_o as_o among_o man_n evetie_n man_n be_v the_o best_a in_o terpreter_n of_o his_o own_o so_o be_v the_o holy_a ghost_n of_o himself_o in_o the_o scripture_n by_o he_o inspire_v of_o who_o meaning_n where_o they_o be_v hard_a to_o be_v understand_v no_o man_n can_v be_v certain_a but_o either_o by_o his_o own_o plain_a word_n or_o by_o plain_a &_o necessary_a conclusion_n out_o of_o his_o plain_a word_n now_o touch_v the_o papist_n who_o our_o answerer_n say_v to_o be_v restrain_v from_o chap_a and_o change_v affirm_v and_o deny_v at_o their_o pleasure_n because_o they_o bind_v themselves_o to_o other_o thing_n beside_o the_o scripture_n to_o which_o they_o give_v sovereign_a authority_n as_o to_o counsel_n ancient_a father_n tradition_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o primative_a church_n with_o the_o like_a the_o matter_n be_v far_o otherwise_o for_o whatsoever_o they_o prate_v of_o the_o sovereignty_n of_o
same_o that_o christ_n say_v it_o to_o be_v &_o we_o believe_v the_o same_o the_o whole_a discourse_n of_o the_o doctor_n in_o that_o place_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o error_n of_o the_o carnal_a presence_n where_o he_o show_v that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v the_o image_n of_o christ_n as_o man_n be_v the_o image_n of_o god_n though_o he_o be_v not_o equal_a with_o god_n as_o the_o sacrament_n be_v not_o equal_a with_o christ_n but_o a_o insensible_a thing_n yet_o nevertheless_o by_o grace_n be_v call_v and_o believe_v to_o be_v that_o which_o christ_n say_v of_o it_o this_o say_n of_o epiphanius_n do_v we_o allow_v and_o use_v as_o a_o inumcible_a argument_n against_o transubstantiation_n and_o the_o carnal_a manner_n of_o presence_n as_o be_v well_o try_v when_o in_o the_o conference_n at_o the_o tower_n it_o be_v oppose_v unto_o your_o client_n campian_n who_o have_v nothing_o but_o vain_a word_n to_o anoide_v it_o be_v a_o place_n which_o he_o neither_o understand_v in_o the_o author_n tongue_n nor_o after_o it_o be_v expound_v in_o english_a can_v tell_v the_o argument_n or_o occasion_n of_o it_o to_o the_o place_n cite_v out_o of_o chrysostome_n i_o answer_v that_o albeit_o they_o be_v sometime_o hyperbolical_a yet_o as_o he_o understand_v they_o and_o do_v many_o time_n expound_v himself_o we_o confess_v they_o to_o be_v true_a and_o yet_o no_o carnal_a presence_n prove_v by_o they_o as_o in_o mat._n h._n 83._o which_o our_o answerer_n cit_v in_o these_o word_n sed_fw-la quoniam_fw-la ille_fw-la dixit_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la credamus_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la sensui_fw-la absurdem_fw-la esse_fw-la videatur_fw-la because_o christ_n have_v say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n we_o must_v believe_v it_o although_o it_o seem_v absurd_a to_o our_o sense_n the_o say_n be_v good_a and_o catholic_a but_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o altogether_o chrysostom_n neither_o in_o this_o homily_n nor_o in_o the_o hom_o 60._o add_v pop._n antioch_n which_o also_o he_o quotech_v for_o it_o the_o word_n of_o chrysostom_n in_o math._n ho._n 83._o of_o the_o translation_n of_o trapezuntius_fw-la be_v these_o quoniam_fw-la ergo_fw-la ille_fw-la dixit_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la nulla_fw-la teneamur_fw-la ambiguitate_fw-la sed_fw-la credamus_fw-la &_o oculis_fw-la intellectus_fw-la id_fw-la perspiciamus_fw-la because_o than_o he_o have_v say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n let_v we_o not_o be_v hold_v with_o any_o doubtfulness_n but_o let_v we_o believe_v and_o behold_v it_o with_o the_o eye_n of_o underslanding_n and_o add_v pop_v antioch_n ho._n 60._o of_o germanus_n brixius_n translation_n these_o be_v his_o word_n quoniam_fw-la igitur_fw-la verbum_fw-la dicit_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la &_o pareamus_fw-la &_o credamus_fw-la &_o intellectualibus_fw-la ipsum_fw-la occulis_fw-la intueamur_fw-la but_o because_o the_o word_n say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n let_v we_o borh_fw-mi obey_v and_o believe_v and_o behold_v he_o with_o the_o eye_n of_o understanding_n a_o three_o place_n he_o cit_v out_o of_o this_o father_n in_o i._o cor._n ho._n 24._o in_o these_o word_n hoc_fw-la idem_fw-la corpus_fw-la cruentatum_fw-la lancea_fw-la vulneratum_fw-la &_o quoth_v in_o caelum_fw-la extulit_fw-la this_o be_v the_o very_a same_o body_n who_o blood_n be_v shed_v and_o which_o be_v wound_v with_o the_o spear_n and_o which_o he_o carry_v up_o with_o he_o we_o grant_v as_o much_o that_o we_o receive_v in_o the_o sacrament_n the_o very_a same_o body_n of_o christ_n that_o be_v crucify_v wound_a dead_a and_o carry_v into_o heaven_n yet_o not_o come_v down_o to_o we_o but_o we_o as_o chrysostom_n say_v in_o the_o same_o homely_a by_o faith_n make_v eagle_n and_o ascend_v up_o into_o heaven_n where_o christ_n be_v yet_o the_o word_n be_v not_o altogether_o as_o our_o answerer_n cit_v they_o for_o immediate_o after_o the_o word_n vulneratum_fw-la follow_v fontes_n sanguinis_fw-la &_o aquae_fw-la 〈◊〉_d so_o orbi_fw-la salutares_fw-la scaturivit_fw-la flow_v forth_o 〈◊〉_d of_o blood_n and_o water_n healthful_a to_o all_o the_o world_n but_o he_o be_v to_o be_v pardon_v that_o have_v nothing_o of_o his_o own_o read_n but_o be_v fain_o to_o cite_v all_o out_o of_o other_o man_n note_n if_o he_o be_v not_o such_o a_o proud_a and_o malepert_a censurer_n of_o other_o man_n to_o proceed_v after_o these_o quotation_n and_o citation_n of_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n he_o come_v to_o his_o adversary_n to_o show_v how_o contrary_a they_o be_v in_o understand_v of_o this_o text_n of_o scripture_n this_o be_v my_o body_n they_o have_v find_v out_o say_v he_o a_o new_a exposition_n affirm_v that_o it_o must_v be_v construe_v this_o be_v only_o the_o sign_n of_o my_o body_n for_o which_o they_o have_v neither_o scripture_n nor_o ancient_a father_n for_o warrant_n or_o example_n but_o which_o of_o your_o adversary_n good_a sir_n give_v this_o construction_n this_o be_v the_o sign_n of_o my_o body_n some_o do_v interpret_v it_o and_o for_o that_o you_o may_v have_v warrant_n of_o ancient_a doctor_n more_o than_o ever_o you_o read_v if_o you_o dare_v deny_v it_o but_o this_o be_v only_o the_o sign_n by_o which_o you_o mean_v a_o bare_a sign_n to_o exclude_v all_o true_a feed_n upon_o christ_n in_o his_o supper_n none_o of_o the_o protestant_n your_o adversary_n do_v ever_o affirm_v what_o libertine_n anabaptist_n and_o other_o fantastical_a head_n have_v imagine_v we_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o it_o no_o more_o then_o with_o the_o eight_o several_a exposition_n number_v by_o luther_n or_o those_o 84._o gather_v by_o claudius_n de_fw-fr xancte_n from_o all_o which_o we_o disclaim_v and_o from_o all_o other_o save_v from_o one_o which_o be_v the_o true_a interpretation_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o luther_n a_o enemy_n to_o this_o truth_n strein_v much_o &_o claudius_n ten_o time_n more_o the_o word_n of_o the_o christian_a protestant_n to_o so_o great_a number_n of_o interpretation_n among_o who_o if_o eighty_o more_o do_v utter_v the_o same_o sense_n in_o diverse_a word_n you_o will_v make_v no_o less_o than_o 80._o interpretation_n but_o because_o m._n chark_n acknowledge_v luther_n to_o be_v illuminate_v singular_o by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o he_o be_v compare_v to_o elias_n by_o the_o common_a phrase_n of_o all_o protestant_n our_o answerer_n take_v pain_n to_o repeat_v diverse_a bitter_a say_n of_o he_o against_o our_o interpretation_n of_o those_o word_n of_o christ_n as_o which_o he_o have_v reveal_v to_o he_o by_o his_o holy_a spirit_n a_o wife_n matter_n as_o though_o luther_n be_v singular_o illuminate_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v make_v a_o pope_n by_o m_n charke_n that_o he_o can_v not_o err_v in_o any_o thing_n or_o be_v compare_v by_o some_o protestant_n and_o in_o some_o respect_n for_o it_o be_v a_o loud_a lie_n that_o he_o be_v compare_v by_o all_o protestant_n to_o elias_n may_v not_o be_v deceive_v in_o any_o point_n as_o eliashim-selfe_n be_v but_o do_v our_o answerer_n trow_v you_o cite_v more_o true_o out_o of_o luther_n than_o he_o do_v of_o late_a out_o of_o the_o old_a writer_n that_o we_o may_v think_v perhaps_o he_o have_v read_v the_o latter_a more_o diligent_o although_o he_o have_v be_v little_a conversant_a in_o the_o former_a i_o will_v give_v you_o a_o taste_n by_o one_o or_o two_o place_n and_o first_o that_o which_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o luther_n epistle_n ad_fw-la argentinenses_n wherein_o he_o clip_v and_o geld_v out_o diverse_a whole_a sentence_n at_o his_o pleasure_n or_o rather_o as_o his_o note_n book_n do_v lead_v he_o so_o that_o it_o be_v plain_a he_o have_v read_v no_o more_o in_o luther_n then_o in_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n the_o word_n be_v these_o hoc_fw-la diffiteri_fw-la nec_fw-la possum_fw-la nec_fw-la volo_fw-la etc._n etc._n this_o can_v i_o not_o nor_o will_v deny_v but_o if_o carlostadius_fw-la or_o any_o manel_n can_v for_o five_o year_n past_a have_v persuade_v i_o that_o there_o have_v be_v nothing_o in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o bread_n and_o wine_n he_o shall_v have_v bind_v i_o to_o he_o by_o a_o great_a good_a turn_n for_o i_o have_v take_v great_a care_n and_o anxiety_n in_o discuss_v this_o matter_n and_o have_v endeavour_v with_o all_o my_o power_n and_o synowe_v siretched_a out_o to_o rid_v myself_o of_o the_o same_o see_v i_o do_v well_o perceive_v i_o may_v very_o great_o and_o especial_o hurt_v the_o papacy_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n moreover_o pope_n i_o have_v two_o man_n which_o do_v write_v unto_o i_o of_o this_o matter_n more_o right_o and_o sharp_o then_o carolostadius_fw-la nor_o sowre_v answerer_n the_o word_n after_o the_o capacitis_n of_o their_o own_o 〈◊〉_d but_o i_o do_v see_v myself_o captain_n no_o way_n be_v leave_v to_o escape_v for_o the_o text_n of_o the_o gospel_n be_v too_o plain_a and_o strong_a and_o such_o as_o can_v easy_o be_v overthrow_v
heretic_n do_v hold_v it_o but_o he_o rather_o do_v offer_v manifest_a wrong_n to_o doctor_n fulke_n whouse_v not_o 41._o to_o reason_n so_o looselie_o but_o rather_o conclude_v that_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v a_o error_n because_o it_o be_v first_o invent_v and_o practise_v by_o a_o heretic_n for_o all_o truth_n have_v a_o high_a and_o more_o ancient_a spring_n than_o any_o heretic_n or_o heresy_n but_o for_o so_o much_o as_o he_o have_v answer_v this_o whole_a objection_n sufficient_o in_o his_o confutation_n of_o popish_a quarrel_n i_o will_v send_v the_o reader_n thither_o where_o he_o shall_v find_v that_o which_o may_v satisfy_v he_o in_o this_o matter_n the_o last_o kind_n of_o trial_n whereof_o he_o will_v speak_v at_o this_o time_n be_v to_o consider_v the_o manner_n of_o old_a heretic_n and_o to_o compare_v the_o same_o with_o we_o and_o here_o he_o will_v have_v the_o two_o former_a condition_n observe_v to_o wit_n that_o we_o consider_v such_o quality_n only_o as_o be_v account_v heretical_a in_o they_o and_o to_o examine_v they_o true_o in_o ourselves_o the_o manner_n of_o heretic_n be_v no_o sure_a way_n of_o trial_n for_o heretic_n come_v often_o time_n in_o sheep_n clothing_n pretend_v great_a holiness_n in_o conversation_n then_o true_a catholic_n do_v but_o let_v we_o see_v how_o he_o will_v prove_v we_o heretic_n by_o this_o kind_a oftriall_a for_o example_n say_v he_o saint_n augustine_n do_v note_v it_o as_o a_o heretcall_a property_n in_o the_o donatist_n to_o hate_v the_o sea_n of_o rome_n and_o to_o call_v it_o the_o chair_n of_o pesttlence_n do_v this_o agree_v to_o the_o protestant_n or_o to_o we_o as_o also_o defame_v of_o the_o say_a sea_n for_o the_o 51_o evil_a pretend_a life_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n but_o here_o he_o break_v his_o own_o condition_n for_o petilian_n do_v not_o hate_v the_o sea_n of_o rome_n as_o the_o sea_n of_o antichrist_n for_o the_o donatist_n have_v their_o mockbishop_n at_o rome_n also_o but_o he_o rail_v upon_o all_o the_o chair_n or_o see_v of_o all_o catholic_a bishop_n and_o on_o the_o bishop_n themselves_o that_o be_v not_o of_o his_o schism_n and_o heresy_n and_o on_o the_o apostolic_a chair_n of_o jerusalem_n as_o well_o as_o on_o that_o of_o rome_n again_o the_o donati_v call_v the_o chair_n of_o rome_n the_o chair_n of_o pestilence_n when_o it_o be_v the_o chair_n of_o a_o catholic_a bishop_n we_o call_v it_o the_o chair_n of_o pestilence_n now_o that_o it_o be_v the_o seat_n of_o the_o beast_n and_o great_a whore_n of_o babylon_n 1._o antichrist_n as_o esay_n call_v jerusalem_n a_o harlot_n which_o yet_o sometime_o have_v be_v a_o faithful_a city_n wherefore_o the_o example_n of_o the_o donatist_n make_v nothing_o against_o us._n another_o heretical_a trick_n augustine_n note_v in_o they_o to_o persuade_v the_o people_n that_o the_o visibie_fw-mi church_n have_v err_v &_o oppress_v the_o true_a church_n banish_v she_o from_o the_o sight_n of_o the_o world_n do_v not_o our_o adversary_n say_v the_o answerer_n say_v the_o very_a same_o no_o sir_n we_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o the_o donatist_n who_o the_o papist_n do_v resemble_v more_o than_o 12._o we_o for_o in_o the_o place_n quote_v there_o be_v no_o talk_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n as_o you_o note_v in_o your_o example_n but_o this_o be_v the_o matter_n the_o donastites_fw-la affirm_v that_o the_o church_n be_v utterlie_o lose_v in_o all_o other_o part_n of_o the_o world_n and_o remain_v only_o in_o africa_n and_o in_o the_o part_n of_o donatus_n so_o the_o papist_n affirm_v that_o the_o church_n be_v lose_v in_o all_o other_o part_n of_o the_o world_n and_o remain_v only_o in_o europe_n and_o in_o the_o part_n of_o the_o pope_n but_o we_o hold_v that_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o christ_n be_v disperse_v over_o all_o the_o whole_a world_n where_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n be_v call_v upon_o as_o saint_n augustine_n in_o the_o same_o place_n show_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n that_o it_o must_v be_v even_o among_o they_o that_o either_o know_v not_o or_o else_o acknowledge_v not_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n authority_n that_o he_o charge_v we_o for_o condemn_v all_o the_o church_n for_o the_o fault_n of_o some_o as_o the_o donatist_n do_v we_o do_v not_o but_o rather_o the_o answerer_n fault_v herein_o with_o the_o donatist_n who_o upon_o shameful_a slander_n invent_v to_o deface_v the_o godly_a life_n of_o luther_n caluine_n beza_n and_o such_o like_a labour_v to_o bring_v the_o truth_n of_o their_o doctrine_n in_o discredit_n as_o the_o donatist_n do_v by_o charge_v the_o bishop_n of_o carthage_n and_o other_o with_o treason_n against_o 4._o christ_n in_o deliver_v the_o book_n of_o his_o gospel_n to_o the_o gentile_n to_o be_v burn_v but_o yet_o moreover_o he_o note_v against_o the_o same_o heretic_n say_v he_o for_o hate_v and_o condemn_v the_o life_n of_o monk_n as_o also_o for_o draw_v nun_n out_n of_o their_o cloisture_n and_o join_v themselves_o with_o the_o same_o in_o pretend_a wedlock_n to_o reproove_v the_o life_n of_o they_o that_o be_v innocent_a be_v a_o point_n of_o heretical_a malice_n but_o to_o hate_v and_o condemn_v the_o life_n of_o detestable_a hypocrite_n and_o abominable_a liver_n as_o the_o most_o of_o the_o popish_a monk_n and_o nun_n be_v and_o be_v be_v a_o argument_n of_o godly_a zeal_n a_o hypocrite_n and_o a_o holy_a man_n a_o heretic_n &_o a_o catholic_a may_v do_v the_o same_o action_n oftentimes_o which_o differ_v not_o in_o the_o kind_n of_o action_n but_o in_o the_o end_n purpose_n cause_n and_o manner_n of_o do_v but_o where_o find_v our_o answerer_n the_o donatist_n note_v as_o he_o say_v for_o hate_v and_o condemn_v the_o life_n of_o monk_n draw_v nun_n out_o of_o cloisture_n and_o join_v they_o with_o themselves_o in_o pretend_a wedlock_n his_o quotation_n send_v we_o to_o the_o second_o book_n against_o the_o epistle_n of_o parmenian_a cap._n 9_o and_o ep._n 169._o ad_fw-la eusebium_fw-la but_o in_o neither_o of_o both_o place_n be_v this_o note_a in_o they_o for_o they_o hate_v not_o the_o life_n of_o monk_n and_o nun_n which_o have_v such_o of_o their_o own_o as_o in_o the_o former_a place_n saint_n augustine_n word_n be_v anon_o come_v mach_v be_v particulam_fw-la svam_fw-la ponunt_fw-la qui_fw-la greges_fw-la ebrios_fw-la sanctimonialium_fw-la suarum_fw-la cum_fw-la gregibus_fw-la ebri_fw-la be_v circumcellionum_fw-la die_fw-la noctuque_fw-la permixtos_fw-la vagari_fw-la turpiter_fw-la sinunt_fw-la do_v they_o not_o put_v their_o part_n with_o adulterer_n which_o suffer_v the_o drunken_a flock_n of_o their_o own_o nun_n with_o the_o drunken_a flock_n of_o the_o circumcellion_n day_n and_o night_n mingle_v together_o to_o wander_v about_o filthelie_o this_o be_v all_o that_o he_o write_v there_o of_o monk_n or_o nun_n which_o whether_o it_o do_v more_o near_o touch_v the_o life_n of_o popish_a nun_n &_o lymit_v friar_n than_o the_o conversation_n of_o protestant_n let_v the_o indifferent_a reader_n judge_v in_o the_o epistle_n to_o eusebius_n he_o complain_v of_o one_o 〈◊〉_d which_o sometime_o have_v be_v a_o subdeacon_n of_o the_o church_n of_o sanianum_fw-la who_o when_o he_o be_v forbid_v to_o have_v such_o access_n unto_o the_o nun_n as_o be_v against_o the_o discipline_n and_o despise_v orderly_a and_o wholesome_a precept_n he_o be_v remoove_v from_o the_o clergy_n and_o be_v himself_o stir_v up_o against_o the_o discipline_n of_o god_n he_o remove_v himself_o unto_o they_o and_o be_v rebaptise_v also_o two_o nun_n with_o their_o tenant_n out_o of_o the_o ground_n of_o the_o catholic_a christian_n whether_o the_o same_o man_n remoove_v or_o whether_o they_o follow_v he_o themselves_o yet_o be_v they_o rebaptise_v and_o be_v with_o the_o flock_n of_o circumcellion_n among_o the_o wander_a flock_n of_o woman_n which_o therefore_o will_v have_v no_o husband_n lest_o they_o shall_v have_v discipline_n the_o proud_a fellow_n boast_v himself_o in_o the_o mad_a banquet_n of_o detestable_a drunkenness_n rejoice_v that_o a_o most_o broad_a licence_n of_o naughty_a conversation_n be_v open_v unto_o he_o from_o whence_o in_o the_o catholic_a church_n he_o be_v prohibit_v here_o be_v neither_o the_o hatred_n and_o condemn_v of_o monk_n life_n nor_o draw_v of_o nun_n out_o of_o cloisture_n nor_o join_v they_o in_o pretend_a wedlock_n note_v in_o the_o donatist_n but_o two_o light_a nun_n by_o a_o quondam_a clerk_n either_o convey_v by_o their_o consent_n or_o follow_v he_o out_o of_o the_o ground_n of_o christian_a catholic_n into_o the_o sect_n and_o ground_n occupy_v by_o the_o donatist_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o same_o epistle_n also_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o daughter_n of_o a_o certain_a tenant_n of_o the_o church_n that_o be_v carry_v away_o by_o the_o donatist_n against_o her_o parent_n
quarter_v for_o offer_v disputation_n only_o or_o at_o al._n but_o this_o you_o must_v say_v to_o we_o minister_n for_o our_o good_a that_o it_o be_v far_o better_a we_o confessedour_n fear_n in_o plain_a word_n than_o so_o much_o to_o manifest_v it_o in_o deed_n and_o thereby_o io_o discredit_n the_o rest_n of_o our_o say_n what_o fear_n i_o pray_v you_o and_o by_o what_o deed_n do_v we_o manifest_v it_o so_o much_o be_v like_o the_o minister_n of_o england_n rack_v and_o quarter_v campian_n for_o fear_n lest_o he_o shall_v overcome_v they_o in_o disputation_n as_o the_o popish_a priest_n torment_v and_o burn_v they_o who_o they_o be_v not_o able_a to_o stand_v against_o in_o disputation_n we_o will_v confess_v in_o plain_a word_n that_o we_o be_v perilouslie_o afraid_a of_o you_o in_o deed_n where_o you_o may_v practice_v your_o malice_n against_o we_o by_o massacre_n and_o martyr_v of_o our_o body_n with_o all_o kind_n of_o cruel_a torment_n &_o bloody_a persecution_n even_o unto_o death_n &_o that_o by_o fire_n but_o of_o your_o learning_n be_v of_o dispute_v or_o any_o thing_n that_o you_o can_v bring_v in_o the_o way_n of_o disputation_n either_o to_o maintain_v your_o heresy_n or_o to_o oppugn_v the_o truth_n of_o our_o religion_n we_o never_o show_v ourselves_o fearful_a or_o make_v dangerous_a to_o join_v with_o the_o proud_a of_o your_o part_n in_o public_a disputation_n though_o it_o cost_v some_o of_o we_o their_o life_n for_o none_o other_o crime_n but_o because_o you_o can_v not_o vanquish_v they_o in_o disputation_n to_o make_v they_o yield_v unto_o your_o falsehood_n or_o to_o deny_v the_o truth_n and_o therefore_o there_o be_v no_o reason_n we_o shall_v be_v afraid_a of_o your_o disputer_n when_o we_o live_v under_o the_o protection_n of_o a_o most_o gracious_a prince_n who_o be_v ready_a to_o defend_v both_o our_o person_n from_o injury_n and_o our_o religion_n from_o contempt_n and_o contumely_n you_o must_v therefore_o seek_v out_o other_o manner_n of_o deed_n wherein_o we_o so_o much_o manifest_v our_o fear_n of_o you_o than_o the_o rack_a or_o quarter_a of_o popish_a traitor_n which_o all_o man_n and_o yourself_o do_v know_v to_o be_v no_o act_n or_o deed_n of_o the_o minister_n but_o of_o the_o magistrate_n as_o also_o that_o the_o same_o punishment_n be_v not_o lay_v upon_o they_o for_o any_o cause_n of_o religion_n much_o less_o for_o offer_v disputation_n but_o for_o horrible_a and_o heinous_a treason_n or_o else_o all_o man_n will_v account_v you_o to_o be_v but_o a_o wooden_a disputer_n to_o charge_v we_o with_o fear_n show_v in_o deed_n whereof_o you_o can_v show_v none_o that_o be_v we_o or_o can_v argue_v the_o like_a fear_n in_o they_o who_o deed_n they_o be_v the_o rest_n of_o the_o matter_n contain_v in_o this_o defence_n of_o the_o first_o section_n of_o the_o censure_n and_o of_o the_o next_o be_v so_o good_a stuff_n that_o it_o need_v none_o other_o confutation_n than_o master_n charke_n reply_v against_o which_o it_o defend_v the_o censure_n where_o the_o censure_n say_v there_o can_v nothing_o be_v have_v from_o they_o but_o word_n master_n charke_n for_o himself_o refer_v man_n to_o his_o answer_n and_o for_o master_n hamner_n he_o say_v that_o he_o have_v bring_v more_o reason_n with_o his_o word_n than_o the_o censurer_n will_v be_v able_a to_o answer_v but_o that_o be_v not_o the_o censurer_n purpose_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o desire_a disputation_n and_o the_o disired_a disputation_n be_v a_o sedition_n challenge_v as_o have_v be_v plain_o prove_v for_o otherwise_o what_o argument_n so_o ever_o for_o your_o part_n have_v be_v bring_v by_o the_o censurer_n have_v be_v by_o master_n charke_n &_o master_n hanmer_n full_o answer_v which_o be_v a_o sufficient_a acceptation_n of_o disputation_n offer_v if_o no_o surth_a matter_n be_v intend_v and_o a_o more_o profitable_a kind_n of_o disputation_n then_o that_o you_o desire_v the_o print_a book_n extend_v far_o and_o near_o &_o carry_v a_o certain_a and_o undoubted_a relation_n as_o well_o of_o the_o argument_n as_o of_o the_o answer_n whereas_o in_o your_o desire_a disputation_n it_o may_v well_o be_v think_v that_o you_o hope_v to_o triumph_v rather_o in_o multitude_n of_o boast_a word_n to_o be_v utter_v with_o impudent_a audacity_n by_o your_o brabble_a sophister_n and_o in_o the_o false_a report_n spread_v by_o your_o lie_a sycophant_n then_o to_o obtain_v any_o victory_n by_o sound_a argument_n or_o sufficient_a answer_n which_o thing_n well_o appear_v in_o the_o disputation_n that_o be_v grant_v to_o campian_n and_o other_o of_o your_o sect_n with_o master_n charke_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o godly_a learned_a that_o have_v conference_n with_o they_o but_o now_o because_o of_o that_o which_o master_n charke_n have_v say_v of_o master_n hanmer_n bring_v matter_n with_o his_o word_n you_o will_v bind_v he_o to_o defend_v every_o syllable_n in_o master_n hanmers_n book_n &_o be_v not_o ashamed_a to_o charge_v he_o that_o he_o will_v needs_o take_v upon_o he_o the_o avochement_n of_o master_n hanmers_n do_n with_o what_o reason_n every_o man_n that_o have_v but_o a_o crumb_n of_o reason_n may_v judge_v therefore_o such_o matter_n as_o you_o require_v master_n charke_n to_o answer_v for_o he_o may_v if_o he_o think_v good_a in_o his_o next_o writing_n satisfy_v your_o request_n although_o he_o have_v by_o no_o promise_n bind_v himself_o thereto_o and_o master_n hanmer_n be_v sufficient_a to_o answer_v for_o himself_o and_o therefore_o by_o i_o they_o shall_v be_v pass_v over_o with_o silence_n be_v but_o quarrel_n and_o cavil_n what_o the_o jesuite_n hold_v or_o hold_v not_o the_o like_a i_o say_v to_o your_o collection_n of_o the_o effect_n of_o master_n hanmers_n book_n which_o be_v perform_v so_o wise_o and_o pithelie_o that_o you_o seem_v to_o have_v find_v out_o a_o very_a compendious_a and_o easy_a kind_n of_o confutation_n of_o any_o book_n that_o mislike_v you_o although_o the_o same_o brief_a kind_n of_o declare_v the_o effect_n of_o master_n charke_n book_n do_v not_o satisfy_v your_o mind_n and_o therefore_o you_o pass_v over_o his_o reply_n without_o examination_n promise_v to_o verify_v all_o that_o you_o have_v say_v and_o he_o deni_v in_o their_o particular_a place_n because_o in_o deed_n m._n charke_n reply_n do_v so_o clearelie_o discuss_v the_o smoke_n of_o your_o vain_a cavillation_n that_o you_o be_v ashamed_a to_o bring_v they_o again_o into_o open_a light_n &_o therefore_o refer_v they_o to_o several_a corner_n nevertheless_o i_o wish_v that_o all_o indifferent_a reader_n as_o in_o all_o place_n so_o in_o this_o will_v vouchsafe_v to_o read_v m._n charke_n reply_n between_o the_o censure_n &_o the_o defence_n or_o at_o lestwise_n after_o the_o defence_n in_o which_o for_o the_o most_o part_n they_o shall_v see_v the_o defence_n overthrow_v touch_v the_o substance_n thereof_o before_o ever_o it_o be_v write_v or_o devise_v touch_v the_o order_n and_o division_n of_o the_o book_n that_o you_o will_v needs_o make_v we_o must_v be_v content_a to_o follow_v you_o although_o no_o wise_a man_n doubt_v whatsoever_o you_o pretend_v to_o the_o contrary_a but_o it_o have_v be_v more_o easy_a both_o for_o yourself_o and_o for_o the_o reply_o of_o who_o you_o will_v seem_v to_o have_v a_o friendly_a care_n and_o most_o of_o all_o for_o the_o understanding_n of_o the_o reader_n that_o you_o have_v follow_v master_n charke_n from_o point_n to_o point_n ash_n follow_v campian_n challenge_v if_o your_o bad_a cause_n can_v have_v abide_v the_o light_n of_o so_o clear_a a_o method_n as_o for_o the_o long_a and_o bitter_a invective_n of_o spiteful_a and_o contumelious_a speech_n odious_a accusation_n light_a suspicion_n insufficient_a collection_n vain_a surmise_n of_o treason_n rebellious_a dissimulation_n practice_n etc._n etc._n which_o you_o pretend_v to_o have_v be_v the_o occasion_n of_o change_v the_o order_n in_o so_o short_a a_o treatise_n as_o master_n charke_n be_v can_v be_v no_o reasonable_a cause_n thereof_o but_o rather_o if_o any_o such_o have_v be_v they_o have_v minister_v great_a advantage_n to_o you_o and_o your_o cause_n if_o you_o have_v orderly_o confute_v they_o how_o indifferent_o and_o without_o choler_n you_o offer_v your_o four_o point_n to_o be_v examine_v both_o in_o your_o censure_n and_o in_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o same_o each_o man_n of_o what_o humour_n soever_o he_o be_v may_v with_o a_o mean_a judgement_n be_v able_a to_o consider_v the_o first_o part_n touch_v the_o society_n of_o jesuite_n and_o the_o first_o section_n entitle_v by_o he_o ofrailing_n you_o will_v convince_v master_n charke_n of_o rail_v by_o his_o own_o confession_n because_o he_o acknowledge_v his_o labour_n employ_v in_o certain_a vehement_a speech_n by_o you_o gather_v together_o to_o bring_v the_o
jesuite_n in_o discredit_n who_o infection_n be_v well_o know_v abroad_o and_o be_v now_o enter_v to_o work_v treason_n in_o the_o land_n also_o because_o he_o grant_v the_o speech_n which_o in_o all_o hatred_n of_o popish_a practice_n so_o direct_o attempt_v against_o the_o majesty_n of_o god_n and_o the_o peace_n of_o this_o noble_a kingdom_n he_o utter_v in_o diverse_a place_n of_o his_o answer_n but_o if_o you_o have_v not_o omit_v the_o reason_n which_o he_o set_v down_o of_o his_o acknowledge_v and_o grant_v of_o those_o vehement_a speech_n they_o have_v be_v sufficient_a in_o any_o reasonable_a man_n opinion_n to_o discharge_v he_o out_o of_o that_o crime_n of_o rail_v for_o you_o yourself_o confess_v afterward_o that_o every_o hot_a word_n utter_v in_o catholic_a book_n by_o occasion_n of_o matter_n be_v not_o to_o be_v take_v for_o rail_v now_o master_n charke_n stand_v to_o the_o defence_n of_o his_o book_n to_o be_v christian_a and_o catholic_a and_o himfelfe_n to_o be_v a_o true_a member_n and_o minister_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o for_o occasion_n of_o matter_n he_o allege_v the_o infection_n of_o the_o jesuite_n well_o know_v abroad_o and_o their_o late_a entry_n to_o work_v treason_n in_o the_o land_n also_o those_o popish_a practice_n against_o which_o he_o utter_v those_o speech_n to_o be_v direct_o attempt_v against_o the_o majesty_n of_o god_n and_o the_o peace_n of_o this_o noble_a kingdom_n so_o that_o such_o sharp_a speech_n and_o yet_o but_o sparinglie_o utter_v in_o comparison_n of_o so_o many_o reproach_n as_o you_o have_v belch_v out_o against_o he_o and_o our_o religion_n be_v not_o to_o be_v charge_v with_o the_o prejudice_n of_o rail_v neither_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o person_n who_o do_v use_v they_o or_o of_o the_o matter_n that_o do_v occasion_v they_o at_o the_o least_o wise_a until_o you_o have_v disproove_v he_o to_o be_v a_o catholic_a or_o discharge_v your_o jesuite_n of_o the_o crime_n of_o heresy_n and_o treason_n intend_v against_o they_o neither_o do_v he_o with_o slander_n devise_v against_o their_o person_n as_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o papist_n be_v seek_v to_o discreditte_v their_o doctrine_n but_o in_o detestation_n of_o their_o false_a doctrine_n attribute_v such_o term_n unto_o the_o man_n as_o for_o their_o doctrine_n sake_n they_o deserve_v but_o you_o be_v gracious_a to_o grant_v he_o pardon_v for_o that_o he_o confess_v hatred_n to_o have_v be_v the_o cause_n as_o though_o hatred_n not_o of_o the_o person_n who_o he_o wish_v to_o repent_v unto_o salvation_n but_o of_o the_o practice_n which_o he_o know_v to_o be_v against_o god_n and_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o realm_n may_v not_o be_v a_o just_a cause_n of_o more_o vehement_a invective_n than_o he_o have_v any_o express_v and_o yet_o you_o see_v not_o how_o any_o learned_a or_o common_a honest_a man_n and_o much_o less_o a_o preacher_n can_v justify_v such_o uncivil_a and_o outrageous_a term_n against_o his_o brother_n by_o any_o pretence_n of_o christian-like_a or_o tolerable_a hatred_n i_o will_v not_o say_v how_o mány_a foul_a re_fw-mi proche_n be_v include_v in_o this_o one_o sentence_n take_v it_o according_a to_o your_o meaning_n for_o i_o will_v grant_v that_o you_o say_v to_o be_v true_a if_o it_o may_v be_v understand_v of_o he_o that_o be_v a_o brother_n in_o deed_n but_o that_o jesuite_n be_v brethren_n to_o master_n charke_n and_o such_o preacher_n as_o he_o be_v i_o think_v neither_o the_o jesuite_n nor_o you_o yourself_o if_o you_o be_v demand_v when_o you_o be_v awake_a will_v acknowledge_v therefore_o be_v such_o as_o m._n charke_n have_v before_o describe_v they_o by_o their_o infection_n treason_n practice_n against_o god_n and_o the_o realm_n he_o be_v not_o to_o embrace_v they_o as_o brother_n but_o to_o detest_v they_o as_o heretic_n and_o traitor_n the_o turn_a back_n of_o the_o crime_n of_o rail_v which_o he_o use_v unto_o you_o be_v not_o for_o any_o excuse_n of_o the_o crime_n commit_v by_o himself_o for_o he_o do_v not_o at_o all_o excuse_n but_o justify_v &_o defend_v those_o speech_n which_o you_o call_v rail_v as_o fit_a word_n against_o the_o wicked_a monkish_a friar_n or_o fryerlie_a monk_n affirm_v that_o if_o he_o be_v dispose_v to_o place_v your_o ordinary_a and_o extraordinary_a rail_n in_o a_o rank_n he_o may_v gather_v of_o your_o reproach_n more_o than_o can_v come_v into_o ten_o leaf_n but_o this_o you_o say_v be_v neither_o to_o the_o purpose_n nor_o true_a not_o to_o the_o purpose_n because_o you_o be_v provoke_v by_o his_o example_n and_o injury_n who_o begin_v without_o example_n he_o may_v answer_v you_o that_o he_o begin_v not_o with_o you_o but_o you_o with_o he_o neither_o do_v he_o provoke_v you_o by_o any_o private_a injury_n but_o if_o you_o count_v the_o cause_n of_o the_o jesuite_n to_o pertain_v unto_o you_o as_o a_o public_a injury_n then_o judge_v in_o differentlie_o whether_o the_o heresy_n and_o treason_n of_o the_o jesuite_n do_v not_o minister_v just_a cause_n to_o he_o of_o his_o hatred_n and_o bitter_a speech_n against_o they_o but_o that_o he_o can_v gather_v ten_o leaf_n of_o your_o rail_n you_o say_v it_o be_v a_o licentious_a lie_n for_o as_o printer_n count_v leaf_n that_o be_v whole_a sheet_n there_o be_v but_o half_o ten_o in_o your_o book_n and_o albeit_o they_o be_v count_v as_o they_o be_v fold_v yet_o ten_o leaf_n be_v a_o great_a part_n thereof_o then_o can_v be_v fill_v with_o rail_a term_n only_o so_o you_o say_v and_o seem_v to_o say_v somewhat_o to_o your_o purpose_n but_o master_n charke_n have_v tell_v you_o before_o unto_o which_o your_o silence_n may_v stand_v for_o a_o confession_n that_o almost_o every_o line_n sound_v loud_a with_o some_o foul_a reproach_n who_o can_v see_v that_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o gather_v almost_o out_o of_o every_o line_n so_o many_o foul_a reproach_n as_o will_v fill_v more_o than_o ten_o of_o your_o fold_a leaf_n for_o of_o printer_n large_a count_n no_o reasonable_a man_n will_v understand_v he_o except_o you_o will_v allow_v he_o also_o to_o make_v as_o large_a letter_n and_o as_o few_o line_n as_o printer_n sometime_o use_v to_o do_v in_o such_o large_a leaf_n of_o their_o account_n but_o this_o matter_n you_o may_v not_o so_o soon_o pass_v over_o for_o that_o you_o think_v it_o of_o importance_n to_o descry_v she_o spirit_n of_o we_o that_o be_v adversary_n in_o this_o case_n rail_a in_o deed_n be_v a_o fault_n in_o whosoever_o it_o be_v find_v but_o it_o have_v be_v requisite_a that_o you_o have_v first_o define_v what_o be_v rail_v that_o we_o may_v have_v agree_v upon_o the_o matter_n in_o question_n you_o tell_v we_o afterward_o what_o be_v not_o rail_v namely_o every_o hot_a word_n utter_v in_o catholic_a book_n by_o occasion_n of_o matter_n be_v not_o rail_v nor_o the_o thing_n in_o question_n for_o both_o christ_n &_o his_o apostle_n and_o many_o holy_a father_n aster_n they_o use_v the_o same_o sometime_o upon_o inst_z zeal_n especial_o against_o heretic_n so_o that_o untilyou_o have_v prove_v protestant_n to_o be_v no_o true_a catholic_n &_o discharge_v papist_n from_o be_v heretic_n every_o hot_a word_n in_o our_o book_n utter_v against_o papist_n can_v not_o justly_o be_v account_v rail_v nay_o if_o catholic_n by_o heat_n of_o zeal_n in_o a_o just_a cause_n or_o in_o a_o case_n that_o they_o think_v to_o be_v just_a be_v carry_v sometime_o in_o vehemency_n of_o speech_n beyond_o the_o band_n of_o modesty_n as_o they_o may_v be_v justly_o reproove_v therefore_o so_o they_o may_v not_o straightwaie_o be_v condemn_v for_o heresy_n in_o so_o do_v james_n and_o john_n be_v so_o far_o deceive_v with_o zeal_n and_o in_o a_o cause_n that_o they_o think_v to_o be_v clear_a and_o just_a that_o they_o will_v have_v pray_v that_o fire_n may_v come_v down_o from_o heaven_n by_o example_n of_o helias_n and_o destroy_v the_o samaritan_n that_o resuse_v to_o 9_o receive_v their_o master_n christ_n and_o be_v otherwise_o heretic_n for_o which_o they_o be_v reproove_v but_o yet_o as_o they_o which_o know_v not_o or_o have_v forget_v of_o what_o spirit_n they_o be_v yet_o not_o by_o and_o by_o reject_v for_o heretic_n the_o contention_n be_v sharp_a between_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n 5._o and_o there_o be_v a_o fault_n between_o they_o yet_o both_o holy_a apostle_n saint_n jerome_n be_v mislike_v of_o many_o for_o immoderate_a vehemency_n of_o speech_n against_o rusfinus_fw-la as_o good_a a_o catholic_a as_o himself_o yea_o he_o be_v not_o to_o be_v excuse_v in_o heat_n against_o saint_n augustine_n vigilantius_n and_o jovinian_a he_o handle_v more_o hardly_o in_o term_n than_o the_o cause_n of_o either_o of_o they_o do_v deserve_v although_o the_o one_o be_v in_o
furious_a devil_n yea_o in_o the_o end_n after_o they_o have_v protest_v their_o hatred_n of_o the_o devil_n &_o all_o his_o way_n they_o conclude_v deus_fw-la faxit_fw-la ne_fw-la listhero_n iuxta_fw-la domini_fw-la verbum_fw-la eveniat_fw-la exit_fw-la abun_fw-la dantia_fw-la cordis_fw-la os_fw-la loquor_fw-la god_n grant_v that_o it_o may_v not_o come_v to_o pass_v unto_o luther_n according_a to_o the_o lord_n say_n of_o the_o abundance_n of_o the_o heart_n the_o mouth_n speak_v now_o whether_o these_o be_v shameless_a lie_n that_o the_o tyguryne_n do_v call_v luther_n a_o arch_a heretic_n &_o a_o furious_a devil_n let_v the_o reader_n judge_n the_o second_o section_n entitle_v of_o sect_n and_o sectary_n first_o you_o complain_v that_o the_o answer_n be_v somewhat_o confuse_v and_o unorderlie_o because_o master_n charke_n say_v the_o example_n of_o elias_n elizeus_fw-la daniel_n and_o saint_n john_n baptist_n be_v no_o less_o wicked_o then_o unlearned_o allege_v to_o avow_v the_o jesuite_n order_n which_o hot_a entrance_n say_v you_o be_v join_v with_o a_o manifest_a cavil_v because_o these_o example_n be_v not_o allege_v to_o avow_v the_o jesuite_n order_v absolute_o but_o in_o one_o point_n of_o differen_n life_n from_o the_o common_a sort_n which_o make_v they_o no_o sectary_n but_o in_o deed_n master_n charke_n keep_v good_a order_n speak_v first_o of_o the_o name_n of_o a_o sect_n than_o the_o definition_n of_o sectary_n &_o thirdlie_o to_o such_o reason_n as_o be_v allege_v to_o prove_v the_o jesuite_n to_o be_v no_o sectary_n namely_o these_o example_n which_o without_o any_o cavil_v as_o you_o surmise_v he_o deny_v to_o be_v sufficient_a to_o avow_v the_o order_n or_o company_n of_o jesuite_n to_o be_v no_o sect_n &_o so_o follow_v the_o matter_n of_o confusion_n until_o the_o end_n of_o it_o and_o now_o we_o will_v mark_v his_o reason_n as_o you_o bid_v us._n he_o demand_v what_o you_o be_v able_a to_o bring_v out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n why_o elias_n shall_v after_o more_o than_o two_o thousand_o year_n be_v bring_v in_o for_o a_o patron_n of_o friar_n you_o answer_v these_o example_n be_v bring_v by_o the_o censurer_n to_o prove_v that_o different_a apparel_n diet_n or_o straight_a order_n of_o life_n do_v not_o make_v sectary_n as_o master_n charke_n have_v affirm_v and_o now_o can_v defend_v and_o therefore_o have_v nothing_o else_o to_o say_v make_v these_o vain_a and_o idle_a interrogation_n in_o stead_n of_o proof_n hear_v you_o not_o how_o confident_o he_o speak_v what_o master_n chark_n have_v affirm_v how_o bold_o he_o pronounce_v that_o he_o be_v not_o able_a to_o defend_v that_o he_o have_v affirm_v and_o last_o of_o all_o how_o scornfullie_o he_o conclude_v that_o he_o have_v nothing_o but_o vain_a &_o idle_a interrogation_n in_o stead_n of_o proof_n will_v you_o not_o think_v that_o he_o which_o so_o late_o charge_v master_n charke_n with_o shameless_a lie_n though_o he_o show_v none_o have_v a_o care_n that_o he_o himself_o shall_v speak_v nothing_o but_o the_o truth_n and_o which_o in_o the_o end_n of_o the_o former_a section_n be_v so_o busy_a with_o the_o conscience_n of_o master_n charke_n and_o master_n whitaker_n that_o he_o burden_v they_o with_o open_a dissimulation_n and_o blind_a of_o the_o people_n be_v it_o like_v that_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o next_o section_n he_o will_v make_v a_o open_a and_o most_o impudent_a lie_v himself_o for_o believe_v i_o reader_n if_o thou_o will_v or_o else_o read_v over_o master_n charke_n answer_v to_o campian_n seditious_a pamphlet_n thyself_o and_o thou_o shall_v find_v my_o word_n to_o be_v true_a that_o master_n charke_n do_v no_o where_n affirm_v in_o all_o that_o book_n that_o different_a apparel_n diet_n or_o straight_a order_n of_o life_n do_v make_v sectary_n i_o say_v neither_o in_o this_o form_n of_o word_n nor_o in_o any_o other_o to_o this_o effect_n or_o sense_n then_o judge_v according_a to_o thy_o conscience_n what_o a_o sincere_a censurer_n this_o papist_n be_v to_o master_n charke_n and_o what_o a_o doughty_a defender_n he_o be_v of_o his_o own_o censure_n but_o now_o to_o return_v to_o you_o sir_n defender_n who_o i_o may_v not_o accuse_v of_o lie_v lest_o you_o charge_v i_o of_o rail_v although_o i_o take_v you_o in_o a_o manifest_a untruth_n be_v this_o the_o cause_n why_o you_o find_v fault_n with_o m._n charke_n method_n to_o jumble_v together_o thing_n that_o be_v in_o good_a order_n that_o you_o may_v fumble_v out_o such_o a_o open_a slander_n &_o be_v cover_v with_o the_o dust_n of_o disorder_n that_o you_o yourself_o have_v raise_v you_o show_v now_o of_o what_o spirit_n you_o be_v even_o of_o his_o that_o be_v a_o liar_n and_o a_o false_a accuser_n from_o the_o beginning_n and_o the_o father_n of_o the_o same_o thing_n but_o to_o that_o idle_a interrogation_n of_o master_n chark_n as_o you_o term_v it_o what_o be_v there_o in_o elias_n elizeus_fw-la or_o daniel_n that_o may_v liken_v they_o to_o jesuite_n you_o answer_v there_o be_v to_o your_o purpose_n now_o in_o hand_n a_o different_a sort_n of_o life_n from_o the_o common_a sort_n which_o make_v they_o no_o sectary_n as_o master_n charke_n will_v have_v the_o jesuit_n to_o be_v for_o that_o cause_n i_o have_v say_v before_o for_o that_o cause_n only_a master_n charke_n will_v not_o have_v they_o neither_o do_v he_o thereby_o go_v about_o to_o prove_v they_o to_o be_v sectaire_n although_o there_o be_v great_a difference_n in_o the_o singular_a example_n of_o those_o prophet_n and_o in_o multitude_n of_o man_n that_o sever_v themselves_o from_o the_o common_a sort_n of_o true_a christian_n and_o that_o for_o religion_n sake_n therefore_o those_o example_n be_v idle_o bring_v in_o by_o the_o censurer_n to_o prove_v that_o lesuite_n be_v no_o sectary_n but_o to_o this_o you_o add_v which_o be_v more_o than_o you_o need_v as_o you_o say_v and_o in_o deed_n more_o than_o be_v for_o your_o purpose_n to_o justify_v the_o jesuite_n that_o dwell_v common_o in_o the_o great_a city_n that_o saint_n jerome_n prove_v plain_o that_o elias_n and_o elizeus_fw-la be_v the_o beginner_n captain_n and_o patroness_n of_o monk_n and_o monastical_a life_n who_o he_o call_v for_o that_o cause_n monk_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n ep_v 13_o ad_fw-la paulinum_n &_o ep_v 4._o ad_fw-la rusticum_n for_o saint_n jerome_n in_o the_o former_a place_n proove_v not_o at_o all_o but_o only_o say_v noster_fw-la princeps_fw-la elias_n etc._n etc._n our_o prince_n be_v elias_n we_o be_v elizeus_fw-la our_o guide_n be_v the_o son_n of_o the_o prophet_n which_o dwell_v in_o the_o field_n and_o desert_a place_n and_o make_v they_o tabernacle_n near_o the_o stream_n of_o jordane_n the_o like_a he_o say_v of_o the_o son_n of_o rechab_n which_o drink_v no_o wine_n or_o strong_a drink_n and_o dwell_v in_o tent_n &_o this_o he_o say_v to_o approve_v the_o dwell_n of_o solitary_a man_n that_o be_v give_v to_o study_v and_o contemplation_n in_o desert_n place_n by_o example_n of_o these_o holy_a man_n commend_v in_o the_o scripture_n which_o extend_v not_o to_o popish_a monk_n or_o jesuite_n which_o thrust_v in_o themselves_o especial_o into_o place_n of_o most_o frequency_n of_o people_n in_o the_o epistle_n to_o rusticus_n he_o speak_v neither_o of_o elias_n nor_o elizeus_fw-la but_o exhort_v rusticus_n likewise_o to_o leave_v the_o city_n and_o to_o get_v he_o into_o some_o solitary_a place_n if_o he_o will_v be_v in_o deed_n that_o he_o profess_v himself_o to_o be_v call_v monachus_n a_o solitary_a man_n he_o bring_v in_o deed_n the_o example_n of_o john_n bap_n it_o be_v and_o the_o son_n of_o the_o prophet_n filii_fw-la prophetarum_fw-la quos_fw-la monachos_fw-la in_o veteri_fw-la testamento_fw-la legimus_fw-la aedificabant_fw-la sibi_fw-la casulas_fw-la propter_fw-la fluenta_fw-la jordanis_fw-la &_o turbis_fw-la urbium_fw-la derelictis_fw-la polenta_fw-la &_o herbis_fw-la agrestibus_fw-la victitabant_fw-la the_o son_n of_o the_o prophet_n who_o wereade_v to_o have_v be_v monk_n or_o solitary_a man_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n do_v build_v themselves_o litlecoteges_a near_o to_o the_o stream_n of_o jordan_n and_o have_v for_o saken_a the_o throng_n of_o city_n live_v with_o pottage_n and_o wild_a herb_n in_o the_o same_o epistle_n he_o say_v mihi_fw-la oppidum_fw-la carcer_fw-la and_o solitudo_fw-la paradisus_fw-la est_fw-la quid_fw-la desideramus_fw-la urbium_fw-la frequentias_fw-la qui_fw-la de_fw-la singularitate_fw-la censemur_fw-la unto_o i_o the_o town_n be_v prison_n and_o the_o solitary_a place_n be_v a_o paradise_n what_o do_v we_o desire_v the_o frequency_n of_o city_n which_o have_v our_o name_n of_o be_v solitary_a these_o word_n of_o saint_n jerome_n do_v show_v that_o in_o the_o principal_a point_n of_o profession_n there_o be_v great_a odds_o betwixt_o your_o jesuite_n &_o the_o solitary_a man_n of_o the_o old_a
themselves_o whereof_o if_o there_o be_v no_o particular_a vow_n express_v yet_o see_v they_o vow_v to_o follow_v the_o rule_n of_o layolas_n which_o include_v whip_v of_o themselves_o as_o you_o can_v deny_v master_n charke_n have_v not_o belie_v the_o jesuite_n as_o you_o note_v in_o your_o margin_n and_o as_o concern_v the_o sect_n of_o heretic_n call_v whipper_n you_o refer_v we_o to_o prateolus_n and_o gerson_n to_o prove_v that_o they_o hold_v many_o wicked_a opinion_n for_o which_o they_o be_v condemn_v and_o ask_v what_o do_v this_o make_v against_o the_o sober_a &_o moderate_a chastisement_n which_o good_a man_n use_v in_o secret_a upon_o their_o own_o body_n at_o such_o time_n as_o they_o esteem_v themselves_o for_o mortification_n to_o need_v the_o same_o i_o answer_v there_o be_v no_o need_n that_o any_o man_n for_o mortification_n shall_v whip_v himself_o or_o else_o it_o be_v need_v for_o all_o man_n so_o to_o whip_v themselves_o except_o jesuite_n have_v more_o untamed_a body_n than_o all_o other_o man_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v but_o ethelothreschia_n a_o voluntary_a religion_n or_o a_o superstition_n after_o the_o precept_n and_o doctrine_n of_o man_n in_o colour_n of_o humility_n and_o not_o spare_v the_o body_n describe_v by_o saint_n paul_n col._n 2._o 23._o and_o as_o for_o gerson_n to_o who_o you_o send_v we_o do_v not_o slagiliante_n only_o condemn_v the_o heretical_a opinion_n of_o those_o whipper_n but_o also_o their_o whip_n of_o themselves_o and_o that_o for_o diverse_a cause_n of_o which_o i_o will_v rebearse_v some_o first_o he_o account_v it_o a_o tempt_a of_o god_n to_o lay_v such_o a_o burden_n upon_o man_n as_o you_o do_v which_o make_v whip_v needful_a for_o mortification_n 15._o whereby_o it_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v needful_a for_o all_o man_n as_o mortification_n be_v &_o not_o for_o jesuite_n only_a secondlie_o he_o say_v that_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n ought_v no_o less_o in_o his_o service_n to_o avoid_v the_o superstition_n of_o the_o gentiles_n and_o idolatour_n espiciallie_o these_o that_o be_v cruel_a and_o horrible_a than_o the_o old_a law_n in_o the_o which_o yet_o there_o be_v express_a prohibition_n deu._n 14._o where_o it_o be_v say_v be_v you_o seruer_n of_o the_o lord_n your_o god_n you_o shall_v not_o cut_v yourselves_o where_o the_o gloss_n be_v you_o ought_v not_o in_o any_o thing_n to_o be_v make_v like_o to_o idolatour_n and_o in_o the_o hebrue_n it_o be_v you_o shall_v not_o tear_v or_o rend_v yourselves_o again_o he_o say_v for_o i_o do_v but_o translate_v his_o word_n lex_fw-la christi_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o law_n of_o christ_n be_v give_v sufficient_o in_o the_o ten_o commandment_n the_o keep_n of_o which_o good_a simplicity_n and_o plain_a faith_n be_v enough_o to_o salvation_n especial_o of_o lay_v man_n and_o common_a people_n without_o any_o new_a imposition_n of_o most_o grievous_a burden_n according_a to_o the_o say_n of_o christ_n if_o thou_o will_v enter_v into_o life_n keep_v the_o commandment_n neither_o be_v it_o any_o thing_n worth_n if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o people_n do_v voluntary_o take_v upon_o they_o such_o whip_n without_o any_o other_o commandment_n while_o it_o be_v find_v that_o there-upon_o they_o do_v more_o licentiouslie_o contemn_v god_n commandment_n in_o many_o thing_n for_o the_o nature_n of_o man_n be_v stubborn_a which_o since_o it_o be_v forsake_v of_o the_o state_n of_o originalliustice_n it_o be_v carry_v more_o greedelie_o unto_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v of_o man_n invention_n than_o those_o that_o be_v of_o god_n bid_n and_o this_o be_v one_o degree_n of_o pride_n which_o bernard_n say_v be_v find_v among_o religious_a man_n while_o they_o rejoice_v more_o in_o abstinence_n or_o particular_a voluntary_a prayer_n then_o in_o all_o the_o regular_a discipline_n again_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n be_v set_v forth_o sufficient_o by_o the_o apostle_n and_o holy_a doctor_n be_v not_o find_v to_o have_v appoint_v such_o novelty_n of_o man_n whip_v themselves_o either_o by_o preach_v or_o otherwise_o but_o rather_o to_o have_v reproove_v they_o as_o most_o suspect_v and_o dangerous_a and_o which_o may_v grow_v to_o the_o slander_n of_o christianes_n among_o the_o jew_n saracen_n and_o pagan_n as_o though_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n be_v austere_a cruel_a and_o nourish_v in_o blood_n not_o in_o mercy_n afterward_o he_o set_v down_o reason_n to_o dissuade_v this_o superstition_n as_o he_o call_v it_o let_v diligent_a and_o earnest_a exhortation_n be_v make_v touch_v the_o praise_n of_o patience_n which_o have_v her_o perfect_a work_n prefer_v it_o before_o such_o voluntary_a whip_n as_o augustine_n say_v agreeable_o to_o seneca_n that_o the_o adversity_n of_o this_o world_n be_v not_o so_o much_o to_o be_v lay_v upon_o we_o as_o when_o they_o happen_v patient_o to_o be_v suffer_v make_v through_o patience_n a_o virtue_n of_o necessity_n i_o be_o not_o so_o mad_a say_v seneca_n that_o i_o will_v be_v sick_a but_o if_o i_o must_v be_v sick_a i_o will_v bear_v it_o patient_o therefore_o there_o must_v be_v reckon_v up_o diligent_o and_o severallie_o the_o diverse_a tribulationes_fw-la sometime_o temporal_a sometime_o spiritual_a which_o daielie_o do_v give_v and_o offer_v to_o we_o whether_o we_o will_v or_o will_v matter_n of_o patience_n such_o as_o be_v sickness_n poverty_n &c_n &c_n and_o who_o be_v able_a to_o number_v all_o such_o tribulation_n which_o be_v such_o and_o so_o many_o that_o we_o must_v not_o bring_v upon_o ourselves_o new_a sorrow_n for_o the_o valiant_a suffering_n of_o such_o daily_a tribulation_n be_v enough_o for_o the_o purge_n of_o great_a sin_n especial_o if_o contrition_n be_v increase_v and_o humble_a confession_n in_o deed_n or_o purpose_n etc._n etc._n yea_o the_o same_o gerson_n say_v far_o imò_fw-la sicut_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la etc._n etc._n as_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o a_o man_n of_o his_o own_o authority_n to_o maim_n or_o gelde_v himself_o except_o it_o be_v for_o the_o health_n of_o the_o whole_a body_n so_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a as_o it_o seem_v that_o a_o man_n shall_v violent_o draw_v blood_n of_o himself_o except_o it_o be_v for_o bodelie_a physic_n or_o else_o by_o the_o like_a reason_n a_o man_n may_v burn_v himself_o with_o a_o hot_a iron_n which_o no_o man_n have_v hold_v or_o grant_v hitherto_o except_o perhaps_o idolater_n or_o false_a christian_n such_o as_o be_v find_v in_o india_n which_o think_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v baptize_v with_o fire_n final_o gerson_n allow_v no_o whip_n except_o it_o be_v enjoin_v as_o penance_n and_o that_o it_o be_v execute_v by_o another_o man_n and_o that_o moderate_o and_o without_o offence_n give_v or_o ostentation_n and_o last_o of_o all_o without_o draw_v of_o blood_n and_o this_o book_n of_o gerson_n as_o you_o wot_v be_v in_o print_n to_o answer_v your_o question_n be_v there_o ever_o honest_a man_n but_o master_n charke_n that_o will_v have_v object_v so_o impertinent_a a_o thing_n in_o print_n as_o be_v the_o whip_n of_o man_n by_o themselves_o upon_o any_o false_o pretend_a need_n of_o mortification_n but_o master_n charke_n make_v you_o laugh_v when_o he_o say_v the_o sect_n of_o whipper_n be_v condemn_v long_o ago_o you_o ask_v how_o long_o and_o by_o who_o for_o they_o begin_v anno_fw-la 1273._o under_o pope_n gregory_n the_o 10._o and_o be_v condemn_v both_o by_o he_o and_o his_o successor_n by_o which_o authority_n luther_n and_o caluine_n be_v likewise_o condemn_v a_o high_a point_n in_o a_o low_a house_n as_o though_o the_o authority_n by_o which_o man_n be_v condemn_v be_v all_o the_o matter_n not_o the_o cause_n for_o which_o adultery_n be_v condemn_v by_o mahomet_n and_o by_o the_o same_o authority_n the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n be_v it_o not_o lawful_a to_o approve_v the_o one_o condemnation_n except_o a_o man_n allow_v the_o other_o no_o marvel_n though_o you_o laugh_v at_o this_o matter_n for_o indeed_o it_o be_v very_o ridiculous_a as_o most_o of_o your_o collection_n be_v and_o whereas_o you_o affirm_v that_o pope_n gregory_n the_o 10._o do_v condemn_v these_o flagellantes_fw-la i_o suppose_v you_o be_v not_o able_a to_o bring_v any_o author_n of_o credit_n that_o so_o do_v write_v for_o in_o his_o time_n they_o spring_v up_o and_o continue_v almost_o fourscore_o year_n without_o any_o solemn_a condemnation_n for_o any_o thing_n that_o prateolus_n or_o who_o so_o write_v most_o diligent_o of_o here_o sie_fw-la can_v testify_v prateolus_n out_o of_o carion_n show_v that_o 1343._o they_o come_v to_o spire_n in_o germany_n when_o the_o diet_n of_o the_o empire_n be_v keep_v and_o through_o opinion_n of_o great_a holiness_n have_v good_a entertainment_n tandem_fw-la verò_fw-la damnata_fw-la est_fw-la at_o length_n say_v he_o this_o sect_n be_v condemn_v and_o extinguish_v with_o fire_n
he_o nor_o doctor_n folke_n do_v use_v any_o heretical_a sophistry_n to_o condemn_v all_o for_o the_o ill_a life_n of_o a_o few_o or_o to_o condemn_v a_o lawful_a call_n for_o the_o misbehaviour_n of_o they_o that_o be_v in_o that_o vocation_n and_o much_o less_o for_o that_o man_n live_v not_o so_o perfect_o in_o the_o same_o as_o they_o do_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n about_o which_o heretical_a consequence_n many_o word_n be_v spend_v in_o vain_a but_o now_o let_v we_o hear_v what_o you_o answer_v to_o such_o difference_n as_o master_n charke_n make_v between_o the_o old_a monk_n and_o the_o new_a his_o word_n you_o recite_v in_o this_o manner_n it_o be_v a_o plain_a injury_n say_v he_o to_o match_v those_o ancient_a monk_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n with_o those_o of_o the_o popish_a order_n for_o the_o old_a monk_n live_v in_o their_o house_n without_o vow_n as_o student_n in_o divinity_n in_o college_n they_o be_v holy_a painful_a learned_a they_o labour_v with_o their_o hand_n their_o society_n be_v nurse_n of_o good_a learning_n and_o godly_a life_n to_o furnish_v afterward_o the_o church_n whereto_o be_v once_o call_v they_o cease_v to_o be_v monk_n and_o leave_v their_o monastery_n here_o first_o you_o charge_v he_o with_o bold_a slander_v as_o though_o he_o say_v that_o all_o monk_n and_o srier_n be_v unlearned_a unpainfull_a and_o unholie_a whereas_o he_o say_v not_o so_o know_v that_o some_o be_v unlearned_a though_o neither_o all_o nor_o the_o most_o part_n no_o not_o in_o this_o learned_a age_n many_o friar_n also_o take_v pain_n in_o preach_v which_o with_o more_o commendation_n and_o credit_n may_v hold_v their_o peace_n yet_o few_o monk_n labour_v that_o way_n as_o for_o labour_v with_o the_o hand_n say_v you_o though_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o any_o if_o they_o be_v occupy_v in_o great_a matter_n yet_o their_o be_v no_o monastery_n wherein_o some_o do_v not_o exercise_v that_o function_n but_o saint_n augustine_n in_o his_o book_n deopere_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d hold_v it_o to_o be_v necessary_a for_o all_o monk_n to_o labour_n and_o admit_v not_o the_o excuse_n of_o pray_v sing_v of_o plalme_n read_v or_o preach_v the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o any_o to_o be_v privilege_v altogether_o from_o not_o labour_v with_o his_o hand_n cap._n 17._o 18._o that_o some_o in_o every_o monastery_n with_o you_o be_v appoint_v to_o that_o function_n as_o you_o say_v it_o be_v but_o a_o mockery_n of_o the_o old_a labour_n of_o monk_n and_o leave_v for_o a_o shadow_n of_o some_o similitude_n with_o antiquity_n and_o not_o take_v away_o the_o difference_n set_v down_o by_o master_n charke_n that_o many_o bishop_n be_v choose_v out_o of_o monastery_n and_o that_o pius_n 5._o choose_v 70._o bishop_n out_o of_o one_o order_n it_o be_v little_a to_o the_o purpose_n for_o the_o old_a monk_n be_v not_o only_o choose_v to_o the_o office_n of_o rich_a and_o stately_a bishop_n but_o to_o serve_v in_o the_o painful_a office_n of_o teacher_n and_o pastor_n and_o be_v as_o master_n charke_n say_v the_o nurse_n of_o good_a learinng_a of_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o church_n as_o your_o popish_a order_n be_v not_o out_o of_o which_o they_o may_v not_o depart_v to_o serve_v the_o church_n without_o a_o dispensation_n and_o capacity_n as_o they_o call_v it_o your_o jest_n of_o his_o poor_a benefice_n by_o london_n and_o the_o barbarre_v shop_n be_v both_o a_o like_a and_o the_o latter_a as_o well_o agree_v unto_o he_o as_o the_o former_a see_v it_o be_v well_o know_v he_o never_o have_v any_o benefice_n rich_a or_o poor_a in_o london_n by_o london_n or_o far_o from_o london_n the_o first_o difference_n you_o confess_v to_o be_v the_o great_a although_o you_o speak_v of_o it_o last_o where_o you_o say_v he_o affirm_v that_o the_o monk_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n make_v no_o vow_n the_o contrary_a whereofyou_n prove_v by_o many_o testimony_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o in_o the_o end_n you_o conclude_v against_o master_n charke_n ask_v what_o he_o will_v say_v to_o this_o and_o much_o more_o that_o mighr_fw-mi be_v bring_v for_o this_o matter_n and_o may_v he_o not_o blush_v say_v yond_o to_o have_v make_v in_o sa_v that_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n make_v no_o vow_n so_o open_a and_o manifest_a ally_v but_o may_v not_o all_o modest_a papist_n blush_v in_o your_o behalse_a see_v your_o own_o forehead_n as_o it_o seem_v be_v harden_v against_o shamefastness_n for_o that_o you_o have_v make_v so_o open_a and_o manifest_v a_o lie_n in_o say_v that_o master_n charke_n affirm_v that_o the_o monk_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n make_v no_o vow_n whereas_o he_o say_v not_o so_o but_o far_o otherwise_o for_o these_o be_v his_o word_n they_o live_v in_o their_o house_n without_o any_o superstitious_a vow_n be_v it_o all_o one_o to_o say_v they_o make_v no_o vow_n &_o to_o say_v they_o make_v no_o superstitious_a vow_n the_o like_a impudence_n you_o show_v in_o charge_v he_o with_o cog_a and_o foist_v for_o place_v his_o quotation_n of_o saint_n augustine_n in_o the_o margin_n right_o over_o against_o the_o matter_n of_o vow_v which_o be_v both_o false_a and_o uniustlie_o lay_v to_o his_o charge_n the_o printer_n have_v set_v they_o a_o little_a wry_a for_o the_o quotation_n begin_v right_o over_o against_o the_o name_n of_o austen_n in_o the_o leaf_n or_o text_n although_o the_o tail_n of_o it_o extend_v to_o the_o line_n in_o which_o he_o speak_v of_o vow_n the_o place_n that_o be_v quote_v for_o vow_n be_v special_o against_o the_o marriage_n of_o they_o that_o have_v vow_v sole_a life_n yet_o have_v we_o good_a testimony_n of_o the_o father_n that_o such_o as_o be_v not_o able_a to_o keep_v those_o vow_n rash_o make_v aught_o to_o betake_v themselves_o to_o the_o lawful_a remedy_n of_o marriage_n epiphanius_n cat._n apostolic_a haer._n 61._o hieronymus_n ad_fw-la demetriadem_fw-la etc._n etc._n where_o m._n charke_n deni_v saint_n augustine_n to_o be_v a_o friar_n first_o you_o cavil_v which_o austen_n he_o mean_v the_o bishop_n of_o hippone_v or_o of_o canterbury_n and_o both_o you_o say_v be_v monk_n and_o the_o late_a you_o make_v our_o first_o apostle_n in_o england_n yet_o be_v he_o a_o apostle_n from_o gregory_n not_o from_o christ._n what_o doctor_n fulke_n have_v write_v of_o he_o he_o answer_v in_o his_o confutation_n of_o popish_a quarrel_n pag._n 43._o but_o how_o prove_v you_o that_o the_o elder_a austen_n be_v a_o monk_n as_o monk_n be_v term_v in_o his_o time_n you_o cite_v ep._n 89._o &_o tract_n 1._o de_fw-fr come_v vita_fw-la clericorum_fw-la and_o possidius_n or_o possidonius_fw-la in_o his_o life_n to_o the_o first_o quotation_n i_o answer_v that_o saint_n augustine_n in_o that_o epistle_n confess_v not_o that_o he_o be_v a_o monk_n only_o he_o acknowledge_v that_o he_o once_o sell_v all_o that_o he_o have_v and_o give_v it_o to_o the_o poor_a but_o that_o he_o have_v private_a possession_n when_o he_o be_v bishop_n possidonius_fw-la do_v plain_o declare_v the_o second_o quotation_n be_v of_o no_o work_n of_o saint_n augustine_n but_o of_o i_o know_v not_o what_o babble_n rule_n of_o some_o impudent_a counterfeiter_n who_o style_n be_v as_o like_o augustine_n as_o a_o ass_n be_v like_o a_o lion_n to_o the_o three_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o writer_n allege_v say_v that_o austin_n when_o he_o be_v make_v priest_n or_o elder_a of_o the_o church_n of_o hippo_n do_v institute_v a_o college_n or_o monastery_n of_o student_n with_o in_o the_o church_n which_o be_v especial_o appoint_v to_o serve_v afterward_o in_o the_o church_n as_o they_o also_o that_o be_v afterward_o bring_v up_o in_o other_o monastery_n set_v up_o by_o his_o scholar_n but_o nevertheless_o he_o neither_o call_v augustine_n nor_o any_o of_o his_o scholar_n monk_n for_o these_o monastery_n by_o augustine_n himself_o be_v call_v diversoria_fw-la hostelle_n or_o inn_n demoribus_fw-la eccl_n cath._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 33._o be_v distincte_n from_o monk_n which_o in_o those_o day_n be_v only_a anachoret_n or_o caenobite_n both_o live_n in_o the_o wilderness_n whereas_o these_o live_v within_o city_n yet_o in_o straight_a discipline_n than_o the_o common_a sort_n under_o the_o government_n of_o a_o very_a godly_a and_o excellent_a learned_a man_n in_o christian_a charity_n holiness_n and_o liberty_n not_o in_o superstitious_a vow_n &_o be_v call_v by_o augustine_n none_o otherwise_o but_o a_o laudable_a kind_n of_o christianes_n and_o all_o this_o make_v he_o neither_o monk_n nor_o friar_n you_o say_v he_o be_v not_o call_v so_o in_o english_a but_o in_o latin_a frater_fw-la and_o monachus_n for_o the_o name_n of_o monachus_n i_o have_v answer_v that_o you_o be_v not_o able_a to_o prove_v it_o by_o authentical_a author_n
have_v no_o sin_n and_o of_o 41._o the_o obstinate_a jew_n if_o i_o have_v not_o come_v and_o speak_v unto_o they_o they_o shall_v have_v have_v no_o sin_n if_o i_o have_v not_o do_v those_o work_n among_o they_o which_o no_o other_o can_v do_v they_o shall_v have_v have_v 14._o no_o sin_n luther_n meaning_n be_v therefore_o that_o unbelief_n be_v the_o great_a and_o only_a sin_n that_o damn_v a_o man_n because_o all_o other_o sin_n be_v forgive_v to_o he_o that_o believe_v &_o be_v baptize_v according_a to_o the_o promise_n of_o god_n secondlie_o where_o luther_n speak_v expresselie_o of_o a_o christian_a baptize_v you_o say_v simple_o a_o man_n where_o he_o say_v with_o any_o siane_n how_o great_a soever_o you_o sit_v do_v what_o mischief_n he_o can_v and_o as_o for_o your_o blasphemous_a collection_n that_o a_o man_n can_v lose_v his_o salvation_n if_o he_o will_v never_o so_o fain_o etc._n etc._n and_o that_o he_o may_v do_v what_o he_o will_v so_o he_o fall_v not_o into_o incredulity_n luther_n himself_o in_o three_o word_n show_v how_o far_o it_o be_v from_o his_o meaning_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o gatherer_n of_o error_n out_o of_o his_o doctrine_n which_o deal_v more_o honest_o with_o he_o than_o you_o for_o they_o say_v baptizatum_fw-la etiam_fw-la volentem_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o the_o baptize_v man_n though_o he_o be_v willing_a can_v lose_v his_o salvation_n luther_n answer_v quia_fw-la fides_fw-la tollis_fw-la omne_fw-la peccara_fw-la &_o facit_fw-la volentem_fw-la non_fw-la pecca_fw-la re_fw-la rom._n 1._o because_o faith_n take_v away_o all_o sin_n and_o make_v a_o man_n willing_a not_o to_o sin_v for_o even_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr captivitate_fw-la bab._n he_o add_v this_o condition_n which_o you_o do_v fraudulent_o omit_v siredeat_fw-la vel_fw-la 〈◊〉_d fides_fw-la if_o faith_n do_v return_v or_o stand_v for_o by_o the_o same_o faith_n or_o rather_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n promise_n all_o other_o sin_n be_v swallow_v up_o because_o god_n can_v deny_v himself_o if_o thou_o shall_v confess_v he_o and_o cleave_v faithful_o unto_o he_o that_o promise_v to_o conclude_v faith_n and_o good_a work_n be_v unseperable_a and_o the_o faithful_a man_n although_o by_o corruption_n of_o nature_n he_o be_v apt_a daily_o to_o fall_v away_o from_o god_n into_o most_o grievous_a sin_n yet_o by_o grace_n he_o be_v either_o preserve_v from_o heinous_a sin_n or_o else_o he_o be_v bring_v to_o repentance_n and_o sorrow_n for_o the_o same_o so_o that_o luther_n doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o unbelief_n if_o it_o be_v understand_v right_o as_o he_o do_v often_o expiicate_v himself_o be_v full_a of_o comfort_n to_o a_o trouble_a conscience_n yet_o give_v not_o bridle_v to_o sin_n or_o carnal_a liberty_n and_o therefore_o howsoever_o you_o wrest_v his_o word_n from_o his_o meaning_n you_o show_v yourself_o no_o less_o a_o impudent_a liar_n than_o the_o false_a witness_n that_o depose_v against_o our_o saviour_n christ_n that_o he_o say_v destroy_v this_o temple_n and_o within_o three_o day_n i_o will_v raise_v it_o again_o which_o word_n in_o deed_n he_o speak_v but_o not_o in_o that_o sense_n they_o depose_v and_o therefore_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o liar_n and_o false_a witness_n bearer_n luther_n say_v only_a infidelity_n be_v the_o trouble_n of_o the_o conscience_n because_o there_o be_v nothing_o but_o sin_n and_o damnation_n where_o there_o be_v no_o faith_n you_o conclude_v that_o nothing_o be_v sin_n but_o unbelief_n whereas_o in_o unbelief_n there_o be_v nothing_o but_o sin_n and_o be_v justify_v 1._o by_o faith_n we_o have_v peace_n with_o god_n and_o there_o be_v no_o condemnation_n to_o they_o that_o be_v in_o christ_n jesus_n who_o walk_v not_o after_o the_o flesh_n but_o after_o the_o spirit_n again_o where_o '_o luther_n say_v that_o nothing_o make_v a_o wickedman_n but_o infidelity_n because_o it_o be_v the_o root_n of_o all_o wickedness_n and_o bring_v with_o it_o all_o wickedness_n you_o conclude_v that_o no_o other_o sin_n make_v a_o man_n wicked_a which_o be_v true_a if_o it_o be_v understand_v of_o he_o that_o have_v faith_n &_o be_v true_o penitent_a for_o his_o sin_n &_o have_v it_o pardon_v by_o god_n mercy_n for_o to_o such_o one_o though_o his_o sin_n be_v as_o 1._o red_a as_o scarlet_a they_o be_v make_v as_o white_a as_o wool_fw-mi neither_o be_v he_o to_o be_v call_v prawn_n a_o wicked_a man_n but_o rectus_fw-la or_o iustus_fw-la a_o right_a or_o a_o just_a man_n who_o shall_v live_v by_o his_o faith_n the_o second_o doctrine_n be_v so_o manifest_a a_o cavil_n that_o you_o do_v in_o a_o manner_n acknowledge_v a_o satisfaction_n both_o by_o master_n hanmer_n and_o master_n charke_n only_o you_o will_v have_v it_o consider_v how_o these_o word_n of_o luther_n do_v sound_n in_o the_o ear_n of_o the_o people_n the_o enne_z commandment_n appertain_v nothing_o to_o us._n as_o though_o luther_n do_v set_v down_o this_o aphorism_n so_o bare_o that_o he_o do_v not_o plain_o declare_v his_o meaning_n for_o this_o he_o say_v in_o his_o sermon_n entitle_v how_o the_o book_n of_o moses_n be_v to_o be_v read_v with_o fruit_n doctorem_fw-la sanè_fw-la etc._n etc._n true_o we_o do_v receive_v and_o acknowledge_v moses_n as_o a_o teacher_n of_o who_o we_o learn_v much_o profitable_a doctrine_n as_o after_o shall_v be_v say_v but_o we_o do_v not_o acknowledge_v he_o to_o be_v a_o law_n giver_n or_o a_o governor_n sith_o he_o himself_o restrain_v his_o ministry_n to_o that_o people_n only_o again_o in_o answer_n to_o this_o question_n why_o the_o ten_o commandment_n be_v to_o be_v observe_v of_o we_o see_v moses_n pertain_v not_o unto_o we_o he_o say_v sed_fw-la inquis_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o thou_o say_v certain_o the_o commanndement_n of_o moses_n that_o be_v of_o god_n be_v these_o not_o to_o have_v strange_a god_n to_o fear_v god_n to_o trust_v he_o and_o obey_v he_o not_o to_o abuse_v his_o name_n to_o give_v honour_n to_o parent_n not_o to_o kill_v not_o to_o steal_v not_o to_o commit_v adultery_n not_o to_o bear_v false_a witness_n etc._n etc._n be_v it_o not_o necessary_a that_o we_o observe_v these_o thing_n i_o answer_v they_o be_v to_o be_v oserue_v of_o all_o man_n and_o they_o pertain_v to_o all_o man_n not_o because_o they_o be_v command_v by_o moses_n but_o because_o these_o law_n that_o be_v rehearse_v in_o the_o ten_o commandment_n be_v write_v in_o the_o nature_n of_o man_n for_o god_n have_v imprint_v these_o notice_n in_o all_o man_n even_o in_o their_o creation_n wherefore_o even_o the_o gentile_n to_o who_o moses_n be_v unknowen_a and_o to_o who_o god_n have_v not_o speak_v as_o to_o they_o do_v know_v that_o god_n be_v to_o be_v obey_v god_n be_v to_o be_v call_v upon_o parent_n be_v to_o be_v honour_v man_n must_v adstaine_v from_o murder_n and_o injury_n of_o other_o etc._n etc._n because_o these_o thing_n displease_v god_n and_o be_v punish_v of_o he_o in_o the_o end_n he_o conclude_v thus_o dico_fw-la igitur_fw-la seruanda_fw-la esse_fw-la he_o 〈◊〉_d decalogi_fw-la etc._n etc._n 1_o say_v therefore_o that_o these_o ion_n commandment_n be_v to_o be_v observe_v not_o because_o moses_n have_v 〈◊〉_d they_o which_o thing_n pertain_v to_o that_o people_n one_o lie_v but_o because_o all_o man_n have_v these_o knowledge_n imprint_v in_o nature_n with_o which_o moses_n also_o agree_v if_o this_o be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o declare_v his_o judgement_n to_o be_v far_o from_o abolish_n of_o the_o moral_a law_n i_o reporre_v i_o to_o you_o now_o whether_o the_o ten_o commandment_n appartaine_a more_o to_o christian_n then_o to_o gentile_n or_o jew_n we_o will_v not_o 〈◊〉_d at_o this_o time_n howsoever_o it_o be_v luther_n say_v not_o as_o you_o conclude_v that_o by_o this_o mean_v they_o shall_v no_o more_o appertain_v to_o we_o then_o to_o gentile_n in_o who_o nature_n also_o they_o be_v write_v but_o rather_o the_o contrary_n may_v be_v conclude_v by_o good_a logic_n out_o of_o luther_n reason_n if_o they_o do_v appertaive_n to_o the_o gentile_n because_o they_o be_v write_v in_o their_o nature_n much_o more_o to_o christian_n in_o who_o heart_n they_o be_v write_v also_o by_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n what_o shall_v i_o say_v more_o the_o lord_n shall_v destroy_v all_o deceitful_a lip_n and_o the_o tongue_n that_o speak_v proudiie_a 12._o thirdlie_o you_o report_v that_o luther_n say_v it_o be_v a_o false_a opinion_n and_o to_o be_v abolish_v that_o there_o be_v 4._o gospel_n for_o the_o gospel_n of_o john_n be_v the_o only_a fair_a true_a and_o principal_a gospel_n for_o this_o you_o cite_v his_o preface_n in_o nowm_fw-la testamentum_fw-la which_o master_n charke_n can_v find_v nor_o any_o man_n else_o that_o i_o hear_v of_o in_o latin_a you_o say_v it_o be_v not_o
tali_fw-la ago_o divino_fw-la &_o caelesti_fw-la auxilio_fw-la ut_fw-la vel_fw-la srater_fw-la adsit_fw-la qui_fw-la te_fw-la consoletur_fw-la promissionibus_fw-la gratiae_fw-la foris_fw-la velintus_fw-la in_o cord_n spiritus_fw-la sanctus_fw-la verbum_fw-la fratris_fw-la erigat_fw-la ac_fw-la animet_fw-la ac_fw-la sustentet_fw-la cor_fw-la tuum_fw-la ut_fw-la possis_fw-la sic_fw-la apud_fw-la 〈◊〉_d statuere_fw-la confessus_fw-la quidem_fw-la sum_fw-la lege_fw-la dei_fw-la convictus_fw-la coram_fw-la diabolo_fw-la i_o peccasse_fw-la i_o damnatum_fw-la esse_fw-la ut_fw-la judam_fw-la sed_fw-la verto_fw-la i_o ad_fw-la christum_fw-la cum_fw-la petro_n &_o respicio_fw-la eius_fw-la immensum_fw-la beneficium_fw-la &_o meritum_fw-la etc._n etc._n ille_fw-la omnem_fw-la horrendam_fw-la damnationem_fw-la damnavit_fw-la here_o those_o most_o holy_a father_n will_v answer_v i_o here_o they_o will_v laugh_v and_o say_v be_v thou_o a_o famous_a doctor_n and_o know_v not_o how_o to_o answer_v the_o devil_n do_v thou_o not_o know_v that_o the_o devil_n be_v a_o liar_n how_o say_v you_o by_o that_o i_o give_v you_o great_a thanks_n as_o you_o be_v worthy_a for_o so_o sweet_a comforse_n in_o so_o weighty_a a_o matter_n these_o three_o word_n the_o devil_n be_v a_o liar_n i_o shall_v not_o have_v know_v until_o now_o except_o you_o most_o notable_a divine_n have_v teach_v i_o if_o i_o be_v a_o papist_n unexpert_a of_o all_o temptation_n who_o satan_n will_v not_o neglect_v be_v carl_n and_o snort_v as_o he_o neglect_v they_o that_o follow_v their_o lust_n etc._n etc._n i_o shall_v be_v such_o a_o giant_n also_o stout_a and_o valiant_a against_o the_o enemy_n that_o be_v absent_a if_o you_o shall_v bear_v the_o stripe_n of_o the_o devil_n and_o hear_v his_o disputation_n you_o shall_v not_o longse_v the_o song_n of_o the_o church_n &_o after_o the_o accustom_a manner_n i_o very_o do_v see_v sufficient_o in_o david_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o prophet_n how_o greevouslie_o they_o wrestle_v and_o groone_a in_o those_o combat_n and_o such_o like_a against_o the_o devil_n and_o his_o horrible_a violence_n and_o christ_n himself_o although_o without_o sin_n in_o what_o abundance_n of_o tear_n and_o anguish_n do_v he_o sirive_v for_o we_o in_o those_o conflict_n against_o satan_n for_o he_o urge_v man_n heart_n exceed_o &_o cease_v not_o except_o he_o be_v drive_v back_o with_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o i_o be_o plain_o persuade_v that_o emser_n and_o oecolampadius_n and_o such_o like_a be_v sodendlie_o slay_v wieh_n these_o horrible_a stripe_n and_o shake_n for_o mean_v the_o heart_n of_o man_n can_v abide_v this_o horrible_a and_o unspeakable_a violence_n except_o god_n be_v with_o he_o for_o satan_n in_o the_o twinkle_n of_o a_o eye_n sodendlie_o overwhelm_v the_o whole_a mind_n with_o terror_n and_o darkness_n and_o if_o he_o find_v nothing_o but_o a_o man_n unarm_v and_o not_o instruct_v in_o the_o word_n as_o it_o be_v with_o a_o little_a finger_n he_o overwhelm_v he_o all_o at_o once_o it_o be_v true_a in_o deed_n that_o he_o be_v a_o liar_n but_o his_o lie_n be_v not_o of_o a_o simple_a craft_n man_n but_o much_o more_o crafty_a and_o prepare_v to_o deceive_v than_o man_n capacitis_n can_v comprehend_v he_o do_v in_o such_o sort_n set_v upon_o a_o man_n &_o take_v hold_v of_o he_o and_o that_o sound_a truth_n which_o can_v not_o be_v deny_v and_o that_o he_o urge_v and_o sharpen_v so_o crafty_o and_o subtle_o and_o cover_v it_o so_o cunning_o that_o he_o may_v deceive_v they_o that_o take_v the_o best_a heed_n of_o he_o etc._n etc._n as_o that_o cogitation_n which_o strike_v the_o heart_n of_o judas_n be_v true_a i_o have_v betray_v innocent_a blood_n this_o can_v not_o judas_n deny_v but_o this_o be_v a_o lie_n therefore_o i_o must_v despair_v of_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o the_o devil_n urge_v this_o lie_n this_o cogitation_n so_o violent_o that_o judas_n be_v not_o able_a to_o overcome_v it_o but_o despair_v therefore_o good_a brother_n sir_n papist_n the_o devil_n do_v not_o lie_v when_o he_o accuse_v or_o urge_v the_o greatness_n of_o sin_n for_o thereby_o he_o have_v two_o grave_a witness_n that_o be_v unreproovable_a the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o our_o own_o conscience_n i_o can_v not_o deny_v but_o i_o have_v sin_v i_o can_v deny_v my_o sin_n to_o be_v great_a i_o can_v deny_v that_o i_o be_o guilty_a of_o death_n and_o damnation_n etc._n etc._n but_o there_o satan_n lie_v when_o he_o urge_v further_a that_o i_o shall_v despair_v of_o grace_n as_o cain_n say_v my_o sin_n be_v great_a etc._n etc._n and_o in_o this_o conflict_n thou_o have_v need_n of_o the_o help_n of_o god_n from_o heaven_n that_o either_o some_o brother_n be_v present_a which_o may_v comfort_v thou_o outward_o with_o the_o promise_n of_o god_n or_o that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n inwardlie_o in_o thy_o heart_n through_o thy_o brother_n word_n do_v lift_v up_o and_o encourage_v the_o and_o comfort_v thy_o heart_n that_o thou_o may_v determine_v thus_o with_o thyself_o i_o have_v in_o deed_n confess_v before_o the_o devil_n be_v convict_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n that_o i_o sin_v that_o i_o be_o condemn_v as_o judas_n but_o i_o turn_v myself_o unto_o christ_n with_o peter_n and_o look_v back_o to_o his_o infinite_a benefit_n and_o merit_n etc._n etc._n he_o have_v condemn_v all_o horrible_a condemnation_n etc._n etc._n now_o i_o report_v i_o to_o every_o indifferent_a reader_n whether_o luther_n do_v not_o speak_v here_o of_o a_o spiritual_a conflict_n or_o tentation_n unto_o desperation_n for_o his_o say_n of_o private_a mass_n after_o he_o know_v that_o it_o be_v idolatry_n not_o of_o any_o bodelie_a conference_n about_o the_o abolish_n of_o the_o mass_n secondlie_o that_o luther_n do_v not_o yield_v to_o the_o persuasion_n of_o the_o devil_n wherewith_o the_o defender_n confess_v that_o both_o good_a and_o evil_a man_n be_v assault_v but_o according_a to_o the_o difference_n by_o he_o observe_v resist_v the_o assault_n and_o obtain_v victory_n through_o christ._n but_o now_o let_v we_o hear_v what_o argument_n our_o defender_n bring_v to_o prove_v this_o bodelie_a conference_n first_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o tigurine_a caluenist_n but_o that_o be_v false_a the_o tigurine_n do_v only_o reproove_v luther_n for_o his_o intemperate_a invective_n and_o name_v of_o deville_n so_o often_o our_o wise_a defender_n conclude_v ergo_fw-la luther_n have_v deville_n second_o he_o say_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o this_o conference_n be_v more_o than_o spiritual_a by_o the_o devilles_n preface_n wherein_o he_o call_v the_o friar_n right_o learned_a doctor_n according_a to_o the_o vain_a of_o pride_n wherewith_o he_o see_v he_o puff_v up_o etc._n etc._n but_o what_o reasonable_a man_n see_v not_o that_o this_o presace_n of_o his_o title_n be_v but_o a_o bitter_a scorn_n of_o the_o devil_n no_o flatter_a speech_n to_o make_v he_o ready_a to_o receive_v his_o impression_n as_o the_o defender_n say_v as_o for_o the_o sound_n of_o satan_n voice_n describe_v in_o the_o place_n allege_v in_o the_o censure_n there_o be_v none_o such_o for_o the_o book_n demissa_fw-la angulari_fw-la so_o often_o allege_v by_o the_o papist_n be_v none_o other_o but_o this_o de_fw-fr missa_fw-la privata_fw-la &_o unctione_n sacerdotum_fw-la as_o appear_v by_o the_o very_a word_n note_v by_o the_o papist_n in_o lib._n de_fw-fr missa_fw-la angulari_fw-la which_o be_v find_v here_o in_o this_o book_n de_fw-fr missa_fw-la privata_fw-la etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o sound_n of_o satan_n voice_n be_v but_o some_o papist_n dream_v upon_o the_o matter_n which_o our_o defender_n will_v now_o hide_v under_o the_o title_n of_o de_fw-fr missa_fw-la angulari_fw-la the_o three_o reason_n be_v for_o that_o luther_n confess_v some_o of_o his_o fellow_n to_o have_v be_v slay_v by_o this_o conference_n what_o he_o say_v in_o his_o rash_a judgement_n of_o emser_n and_o oecolampadius_n where_o of_o the_o one_o be_v a_o papist_n the_o other_o a_o protestant_n you_o heave_v hard_o in_o his_o own_o word_n which_o proove_v no_o bodily_a conference_n for_o those_o terrible_a blow_n and_o shakinge_n where_o of_o he_o speak_v be_v no_o more_o bodelie_o than_o the_o busfete_n of_o satan_n where_o of_o saint_n paul_n speak_v and_o who_o doubt_v 7._o but_o that_o by_o such_o spiritual_a buffet_n of_o satan_n a_o man_n that_o be_v overcome_v with_o exceed_a sorrow_n may_v sudden_o die_v except_o he_o be_v assist_v and_o comfort_v by_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n as_o saint_n paul_n be_v final_o the_o bushel_n of_o angulari_fw-la salt_n say_v our_o defender_n which_o luther_n confess_v himself_o to_o have_v eat_v together_o with_o the_o devil_n proove_v that_o he_o have_v bodelie_o conference_n with_o he_o first_o the_o book_n be_v not_o extant_a and_o if_o any_o such_o be_v yet_o it_o proove_v no_o bodelie_a conference_n for_o no_o man_n be_v so_o mad_a to_o think_v that_o
operuerit_fw-la numquid_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la ex_fw-la fide_fw-la peccatum_fw-la est_fw-la prorsus_fw-la in_fw-la quantum_fw-la non_fw-la ex_fw-la fide_fw-la peccatum_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la quia_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la ipsum_fw-la factum_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la nudum_fw-la operire_fw-la peccatum_fw-la est_fw-la sed_fw-la de_fw-la tali_fw-la opere_fw-la non_fw-la in_o domino_fw-la gloriari_fw-la solus_fw-la impius_fw-la negate_fw-la esse_fw-la peccatum_fw-la if_o a_o heathen_a man_n say_v thou_o do_v clothe_v the_o naked_a be_v it_o sin_n because_o it_o be_v not_o of_o faith_n yea_o out_o of_o doubt_n in_o as_o much_o as_o it_o be_v not_o of_o faith_n it_o be_v sin_n not_o because_o the_o deed_n itself_o which_o be_v to_o clothe_v the_o naked_a be_v sin_n but_o not_o to_o rejoice_v in_o the_o lord_n of_o such_o a_o work_n none_o but_o a_o ungodlie_a man_n will_v deny_v to_o be_v sin_n this_o and_o much_o more_o to_o this_o effect_n have_v saint_n augustine_n in_o that_o place_n against_o the_o pelagian_o which_o with_o the_o papi_v deny_v that_o such_o work_n of_o the_o infidel_n be_v sin_n but_o albeit_o saint_n augustine_n be_v direct_o against_o you_o yet_o saint_n jerome_n you_o think_v may_v help_v you_o in_o ezechiell_n cap._n 29._o who_o say_v thus_o caeterùm_fw-la ex_fw-la eo_fw-la quòd_fw-la nabuchodonoser_n mercedem_fw-la accepit_fw-la boni_fw-la operis_fw-la intelligimus_fw-la etiam_fw-la ethnicos_fw-la si_fw-la quid_fw-la boni_fw-la fecerint_fw-la non_fw-la absque_fw-la mercede_fw-la dei_fw-la iudicio_fw-la praeteriri_fw-la but_o of_o this_o that_o nabuchodonuser_n recevy_v arewarde_o of_o good_a work_n we_o understand_v that_o even_o the_o gentile_n if_o they_o have_v do_v any_o good_a thing_n be_v not_o pass_v over_o without_o reward_n by_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o god_n reward_v virtue_n in_o the_o gentile_n it_o proove_v not_o their_o moral_a work_n be_v not_o sin_n in_o as_o much_o as_o they_o be_v not_o do_v of_o faith_n as_o s._n augustine_n at_o large_a teach_v in_o both_o the_o book_n and_o place_n last_o cite_v for_o those_o good_a fact_n be_v of_o the_o relic_n of_o god_n image_n not_o altogether_o blot_v out_o which_o god_n do_v reward_n as_o his_o own_o work_n in_o they_o but_o in_o as_o much_o as_o they_o do_v not_o those_o good_a deed_n well_o they_o be_v sin_n in_o the_o doer_n as_o saint_n augustine_n say_v and_o therefore_o neither_o saint_n augustine_n nor_o saint_n jerome_n be_v against_o master_n charke_n in_o this_o cause_n the_o three_o fault_n of_o your_o definition_n master_n chark_n say_v be_v that_o you_o restrain_v sin_n only_o to_o voluntary_a action_n against_o which_o you_o oppose_v saint_n augustine_n in_o many_o quotation_n where_o he_o repeat_v these_o word_n so_o often_o sin_n be_v a_o evil_a so_o voluntary_a as_o it_o can_v be_v by_o no_o mean_n sin_n except_o it_o be_v voluntary_a but_o what_o his_o judgement_n be_v of_o those_o word_n appear_v best_a in_o his_o retractation_n which_o you_o quote_v lib._n 1._o cap._n 13._o &_o 15._o in_o the_o former_a he_o say_v pate_a videri_fw-la falsa_fw-la haec_fw-la definitio_fw-la sed_fw-la si_fw-la diligenter_n discutiaiur_fw-fr invenieiur_fw-fr esse_fw-la verissima_fw-la peccatum_fw-la quip_n illud_fw-la intelligendum_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la tantummodo_fw-la peccatum_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la etiam_fw-la paena_fw-la peccati_fw-la etc._n etc._n this_o definition_n may_v seem_v to_o be_v false_a but_o if_o it_o be_v diligent_o discuss_v it_o shall_v be_v find_v to_o be_v most_o true_a for_o that_o sin_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v therein_o which_o be_v only_a sin_n and_o not_o also_o the_o punishment_n of_o sin_n as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o when_o i_o rehearse_v certain_a thing_n out_o of_o my_o three_o book_n of_o free_a will_n although_o even_o those_o sin_n which_o not_o unworthelie_o be_v call_v sin_n not_o voluntary_a because_o they_o be_v commit_v either_o by_o they_o which_o know_v not_o or_o which_o be_v compel_v can_v not_o be_v commit_v altogether_o without_o the_o will_n because_o even_o he_o which_o sin_v of_o ignorance_n sin_v willing_o when_o he_o think_v that_o to_o be_v do_v which_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v do_v and_o he_o which_o do_v not_o those_o thing_n which_o he_o will_v the_o flesh_n lust_a against_o the_o spirit_n 5._o lu_v true_o unwillinglie_o and_o there_o in_o do_v not_o what_o he_o will_v but_o if_o he_o be_v overcome_v he_o consent_v to_o concupiscence_n willing_o and_o therein_o do_v not_o what_o he_o will_v be_v free_a from_o justice_n and_o a_o servant_n of_o sin_n and_o that_o which_o in_o child_n be_v call_v original_a sin_n when_o as_o yet_o they_o use_v not_o the_o free_a choice_n of_o will_n be_v not_o absurdlie_o call_v also_o voluntary_a because_o be_v draw_v from_o the_o evil_a will_n of_o the_o first_o man_n it_o be_v make_v as_o it_o be_v come_v by_o inheritance_n the_o same_o in_o effect_n he_o say_v c._n 15._o answer_v that_o he_o have_v set_v down_o de_fw-fr duabus_fw-la animabus_fw-la c._n 14._o propterea_fw-la vera_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o definition_n be_v true_a for_o this_o cause_n for_o that_o that_o sin_n be_v define_v which_o be_v only_a sin_n and_o not_o that_o sin_n which_o be_v a_o punishment_n of_o sin_n again_o he_o say_v sine_fw-la voluntate_fw-la nullum_fw-la esse_fw-la petcatum_fw-la sive_fw-la in_o opere_fw-la sive_fw-la in_o origine_fw-la that_o there_o be_v no_o sin_n without_o will_n either_o in_o the_o work_n or_o in_o the_o beginning_n by_o which_o saying_n saint_n augustine_n judgement_n be_v plain_a that_o in_o the_o particular_a work_n there_o be_v sin_n that_o be_v not_o voluntary_a as_o those_o that_o come_v of_o ignorance_n or_o compulsion_n or_o as_o concupiscence_n &_o original_a infection_n yet_o all_o these_o may_v be_v call_v voluntary_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o first_o man_n offence_n in_o who_o be_v freedom_n of_o will_n which_o master_n chark_n grant_v and_o therefore_o that_o childish_a insultation_n need_v not_o but_o to_o show_v your_o pride_n in_o contempt_n of_o other_o as_o though_o all_o learning_n have_v be_v breed_v with_o you_o and_o be_v like_a to_o die_v if_o you_o do_v not_o plant_v it_o in_o us._n saint_n augustine_n therefore_o be_v clear_a that_o that_o sin_n which_o be_v a_o punishment_n of_o sin_n be_v not_o voluntary_a and_o that_o his_o definition_n as_o he_o call_v it_o be_v only_o of_o sin_n which_o have_v none_o other_o consideration_n but_o as_o sin_n his_o disputation_n be_v against_o the_o manichee_n which_o derive_v sin_n from_o a_o evil_a god_n and_o not_o from_o the_o free_a will_n of_o man_n or_o devil_n first_o create_v good_a by_o the_o only_a good_a god_n but_o you_o have_v scripture_n to_o prove_v every_o act_n or_o omission_n which_o be_v sin_n to_o be_v voluntary_a because_o christ_n himself_o say_v that_o those_o thing_n which_o do_v defile_v a_o man_n do_v come_v from_o the_o heart_n as_o though_o nothing_o may_v come_v from_o that_o corruptroote_v the_o heart_n of_o man_n which_o be_v not_o voluntary_a you_o yourself_o affirm_v that_o evil_a thought_n be_v not_o voluntary_a which_o he_o say_v come_v from_o the_o heart_n mat._n 15._o 19_o now_o concern_v the_o objection_n of_o original_a sin_n there_o have_v be_v enough_o say_v out_o of_o saint_n augustine_n concer_fw-fr ning_n the_o other_o objection_n of_o manslaughter_n do_v without_o consent_n of_o will_n which_o you_o affirm_v to_o be_v innocence_n god_n defend_v every_o good_a christian_n from_o such_o innocence_n at_o least_o wise_a you_o may_v have_v make_v such_o a_o fact_n commit_v by_o error_n a_o voluntary_a sin_n by_o the_o first_o man_n sin_n that_o be_v of_o free_a will_n which_o if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v no_o man_n shall_v have_v err_v in_o that_o case_n or_o any_o other_o but_o the_o text_n you_o tell_v we_o call_v he_o a_o innocent_a man_n liberabitur_fw-la innocens_fw-la &c_n &c_n the_o innocent_a shall_v be_v deliver_v from_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o revenger_n so_o great_a a_o rabbin_z as_o you_o will_v seem_v to_o be_v by_o your_o quotation_n out_o of_o rabbi_n isaac_n rabbi_n mose_n and_o rabbi_n levi_n shall_v not_o be_v ignorant_a that_o in_o the_o hebrew_n text_n the_o word_n be_v harotzeach_v that_o be_v the_o killer_n &_o not_o the_o innocent_a which_o yet_o be_v adjudge_v to_o escape_v punishment_n 25._o of_o death_n by_o the_o politic_a law_n because_o in_o respect_n of_o man_n judgement_n he_o have_v not_o offend_v for_o which_o cause_n also_o deut._n 19_o his_o blood_n be_v call_v innocent_a yet_o his_o fly_v to_o the_o city_n of_o refuge_n and_o imprisonment_n there_o until_o the_o death_n of_o the_o high_a priest_n argue_v as_o master_n charke_n say_v that_o there_o be_v something_o in_o his_o fact_n or_o the_o error_n by_o which_o he_o commit_v the_o fact_n that_o have_v need_n of_o forgiveness_n by_o christ_n
book_n may_v be_v have_v no_o where_o but_o in_o your_o report_n you_o will_v make_v miserable_a matter_n of_o it_o but_o they_o that_o listen_v to_o see_v how_o impudent_o you_o lie_v shall_v find_v in_o his_o book_n first_o that_o he_o confess_v that_o the_o effect_n of_o concupiscence_n which_o be_v adultery_n by_o consent_n be_v a_o breach_n of_o the_o 7._o commandment_n for_o which_o he_o do_v not_o allege_v the_o place_n as_o you_o misconstrue_v he_o secondlie_o that_o christ_n use_v a_o word_n which_o in_o greek_a be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o signify_v to_o behold_v that_o be_v more_o than_o to_o see_v or_o to_o use_v the_o sense_n of_o sight_n which_o behold_v with_o concupiscence_n alone_o he_o deni_v to_o be_v sin_n in_o the_o first_o degree_n that_o with_o consent_n of_o heart_n be_v make_v sin_n in_o so_o high_a a_o degree_n as_o adultery_n and_o augustine_n himself_o in_o the_o place_n by_o you_o cite_v make_v three_o degree_n to_o actual_a sin_n suggestion_n delectation_n and_o consent_n the_o first_o he_o compare_v to_o the_o devil_n temptation_n which_o when_o it_o be_v without_o man_n be_v not_o sin_n in_o man_n but_o now_o that_o every_o man_n be_v tempt_v of_o his_o own_o concupiscence_n how_o can_v you_o say_v it_o be_v not_o sin_n in_o man_n as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o devil_n thirdlie_o the_o long_o speak_v of_o subeictum_fw-la &_o praedicatum_fw-la that_o master_n charke_n make_v be_v comprehend_v in_o less_o than_o three_o line_n and_o last_o of_o all_o whereas_o you_o say_v that_o to_o quit_v the_o lord_n most_o careful_o from_o sin_n he_o alledgee_v saint_n james_n you_o pervert_v and_o that_o wilful_o both_o his_o say_n and_o his_o meaning_n and_o scoff_n at_o he_o in_o your_o dog_n eloquence_n as_o you_o be_v accustom_v but_o he_o say_v expresselie_o that_o saint_n james_n do_v careful_o quit_v the_o lord_n from_o be_v a_o sinful_a cause_n of_o sin_n when_o he_o turn_v upon_o man_n the_o whole_a work_n and_o all_o the_o blame_n of_o sin_n from_o the_o first_o sin_n of_o tempt_a to_o the_o ripe_a and_o full_a birth_n thereof_o say_v that_o a_o man_n be_v tempt_v of_o his_o own_o lust_n and_o therewith_o draw_v away_o and_o as_o it_o be_v with_o a_o bait_n entice_v which_o thing_n say_v master_n charke_n can_v not_o be_v in_o bare_a concupiscence_n except_o it_o be_v sin_n and_o a_o sinful_a cause_n of_o sin_n and_o in_o deed_n if_o every_o thing_n conceive_v and_o bring_v forth_o a_o creature_n of_o the_o same_o kind_n that_o the_o damn_n be_v of_o what_o shall_v the_o mother_n of_o sin_n be_v but_o sin_n concupiscence_n conceive_v and_o bring_v forth_o sin_n therefore_o it_o be_v sin_n itself_o but_o caluine_n be_v condemn_v of_o your_o church_n as_o you_o affirm_v for_o this_o impiety_n that_o he_o make_v god_n author_n of_o sin_n but_o caluine_n appeal_v from_o your_o church_n to_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o christ_n before_o who_o let_v we_o see_v what_o you_o can_v allege_v to_o justify_v this_o horrible_a crime_n you_o ask_v if_o he_o do_v not_o hold_v that_o god_n be_v the_o author_n of_o sin_n in_o diverse_a place_n of_o his_o work_n namely_o lib._n 1._o inst._n cap._n 8._o 17._o 18_o i_o answer_v no_o but_o direct_o maintain_v the_o contradiction_n of_o that_o blasphemous_a slander_n namely_o that_o god_n be_v not_o the_o author_n of_o sin_n answer_v all_o objection_n that_o be_v make_v to_o the_o contrary_a both_o by_o authority_n of_o scripture_n and_o by_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n you_o demand_v further_o do_v he_o not_o condemn_v saint_n augustine_n by_o name_n for_o hold_v the_o contrary_a lib._n 2._o inst._n c._n 4_o i_o answer_v as_o before_o no_o only_o he_o mislike_v saint_n augustine_n in_o one_o place_n where_o he_o say_v that_o induration_n and_o excecation_n pertain_v not_o to_o the_o work_n of_o god_n but_o to_o his_o foreknowledge_n where_o the_o scripture_n expresselie_o say_v god_n do_v harden_v god_n do_v blind_a not_o as_o a_o evil_a author_n but_o as_o a_o just_a punisher_n as_o augustine_n else_o where_o confess_v for_o which_o he_o be_v cite_v cont_n jul._n lib._n 5._o where_o he_o proove_v at_o large_a that_o some_o sin_n be_v not_o only_o of_o god_n permission_n or_o patience_n but_o of_o his_o power_n that_o former_a sin_n may_v so_o be_v punish_v what_o be_v this_o to_o make_v god_n the_o author_n of_o sin_n yet_o further_o you_o ask_v whether_o peter_n martyr_v his_o scholar_n do_v not_o hold_v the_o same_o in_o come_v lib._n 1._o reg._n cap._n 2_o and_o i_o answer_v as_o before_o that_o he_o never_o hold_v that_o opinion_n but_o the_o contrary_a that_o god_n be_v not_o the_o author_n of_o sin_n as_o it_o be_v sin_n all_o though_o no_o fact_n can_v be_v commit_v without_o his_o power_n in_o who_o we_o live_v move_v and_o have_v our_o be_v but_o this_o be_v a_o common_a slander_n of_o unlearned_a papist_n when_o they_o that_o be_v learned_a if_o they_o come_v to_o entreat_v of_o god_n power_n providence_n predestination_n reprobation_n etc._n etc._n can_v not_o speak_v more_o reverentlie_o than_o caluine_n martyr_n and_o all_o other_o learned_a protestant_n do_v write_v of_o those_o high_a mystery_n of_o god_n the_o ten_o section_n entitle_v of_o the_o first_o motion_n of_o concuptscence_n the_o jesuite_n hold_v that_o the_o first_o motion_n of_o lust_n be_v without_o hurt_n of_o sin_n of_o this_o you_o think_v you_o have_v say_v enough_o before_o because_o it_o depend_v whole_o of_o that_o which_o go_v before_o yet_o two_o place_n of_o saint_n augustine_n you_o add_v and_o both_o fraudulent_o the_o former_a cont_n jul._n lib._n 2._o circa_fw-la finem_fw-la you_o cite_v thus_o we_o may_v be_v always_o without_o sin_n if_o we_o never_o do_v yield_v consent_n to_o our_o concupiscence_n to_o sin_n but_o saint_n augustine_n word_n be_v otherwise_o quantum_fw-la enim_fw-la ad_fw-la nos_fw-la attinet_fw-la sine_fw-la peccato_fw-la semper_fw-la essemus_fw-la donec_fw-la saneretur_fw-la hoc_fw-la malum_fw-la si_fw-la ei_fw-la nunquam_fw-la consentiremus_fw-la ad_fw-la malum_fw-la for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v we_o we_o shall_v be_v always_o without_o sin_n until_o this_o evil_n be_v heal_v if_o we_o do_v never_o consent_v unto_o it_o unto_o evil_n he_o say_v not_o absolutlie_o we_o shall_v be_v without_o sin_n but_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v we_o because_o that_o evil_a be_v in_o we_o without_o our_o will_n or_o consent_n which_o make_v actual_a sin_n otherwise_o not_o many_o line_n before_o he_o call_v it_o vitium_fw-la mortuum_fw-la a_o vice_n dead_a but_o yet_o to_o be_v bury_v that_o be_v through_o heal_v and_o add_v further_a quomodo_fw-la igitur_fw-la mortuum_fw-la dicimus_fw-la hoc_fw-la peccatum_fw-la in_o baptismo_fw-la &_o how_o then_o do_v we_o say_v that_o this_o sin_n be_v dead_a in_o baptism_n as_o this_o man_n also_o say_v and_o how_o do_v we_o confess_v that_o it_o dwell_v in_o our_o member_n and_o work_v many_o desire_n against_o our_o will_n which_o we_o resist_v by_o not_o consent_v as_o this_o man_n also_o confess_v but_o because_o it_o be_v dead_a in_o that_o guilt_n in_o which_o it_o hold_v we_o and_o till_o it_o be_v heal_v by_o perfection_n of_o burial_n it_o rebell_v even_o be_v dead_a although_o now_o it_o be_v not_o call_v sin_n after_o the_o same_o manner_n in_o which_o it_o make_v guilty_a but_o because_o it_o be_v make_v by_o the_o guilt_n of_o the_o first_o man_n and_o because_o by_o rebel_a it_o labour_v to_o draw_v we_o to_o guiltiness_n except_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n do_v help_v us._n this_o place_n of_o saint_n augustine_n shewteh_o that_o it_o be_v sin_n and_o why_o it_o be_v so_o call_v although_o it_o differ_v much_o from_o actual_a sin_n again_o when_o he_o say_v it_o be_v dead_a vice_n in_o respect_n that_o it_o be_v remit_v to_o the_o renegerate_v in_o baptism_n yet_o it_o be_v as_o a_o stink_a carcase_n of_o the_o enemy_n which_o until_o it_o be_v bury_v will_v infect_v by_o which_o it_o appear_v what_o a_o pestilent_a thing_n it_o be_v of_o itself_o though_o by_o grace_n it_o be_v overcome_v and_o must_v be_v bury_v in_o we_o till_o it_o be_v utterlie_o abolish_v the_o other_o place_n lib._n 2._o de_fw-la gratia_fw-la cap._n 40._o you_o cut_v very_o short_a and_o utter_v in_o these_o word_n quibus_fw-la sinon_fw-la consentitur_fw-la nullius_fw-la peccati_fw-la reatus_fw-la contraehitur_fw-la unto_o which_o nation_n if_o we_o give_v no_o consent_n of_o heart_n no_o guilt_n of_o sin_n be_v contract_v by_o they_o but_o you_o conceal_v crafty_o that_o he_o call_v these_o first_o motion_n vicious_a desire_n which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o we_o require_v and_o show_v how_o the_o guilt_n be_v take_v away_o namely_o by_o remission_n of_o sin_n in_o baptism_n his_o word_n be_v these_o non_fw-la
original_n which_o bull_n be_v grant_v hospitali_fw-la sancti_fw-la 〈◊〉_d in_fw-la saxia_fw-la almae_fw-la vrbis_fw-la in_o which_o be_v a_o approbation_n of_o all_o pardon_n grant_v by_o his_o predecessor_n to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o whereof_o there_o be_v rehearse_v that_o innocent_a the_o three_o grant_v to_o the_o faith_n and_o devotion_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o the_o salvation_n of_o their_o soul_n to_o all_o that_o visit_v the_o say_a hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o nativity_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o every_o day_n unto_o the_o octave_n thereof_o two_o thousand_o and_o 800._o year_n of_o pardon_n the_o same_o innocent_a grant_v to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o in_o every_o festivite_fw-la of_o the_o apostle_n 2000_o year_n of_o pardon_n the_o same_o jonocent_a grant_v to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o every_o day_n of_o the_o whole_a year_n one_o year_n and_o 40._o day_n of_o pardon_n also_o pope_n alexander_n the_o four_o grant_v to_o the_o say_v hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o the_o month_n of_o januarie_n every_o day_n until_o the_o octave_n of_o the_o same_o feast_n four_o thousand_o year_n and_o eight_o hundred_o lent_n of_o pardon_n &_o remission_n of_o the_o seven_o part_n of_o all_o their_o sin_n and_o on_o the_o sunday_n in_o which_o there_o be_v song_n for_o the_o introite_fw-la of_o the_o mass_n omnis_fw-la terra_fw-la the_o say_a alexander_n grant_v to_o the_o say_v hospital_n and_o to_o all_o and_o every_o the_o member_n thereof_o the_o first_o sunday_n of_o every_o month_n of_o the_o year_n 3000._o year_n and_o as_o many_o lentes_n and_o remission_n of_o the_o three_o part_n of_o all_o their_o sin_n the_o same_o alexander_n grant_v to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la every_o day_n until_o the_o octave_n 2000_o year_n and_o remission_n of_o the_o seven_o part_n of_o all_o their_o sin_n pope_n celestinus_fw-la the_o 5._o grant_v to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o epiphany_n unto_o the_o octave_n every_o day_n a_o hundred_o thousand_o year_n of_o pardon_n the_o same_o celestine_n grant_v to_o the_o say_v hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o nativity_n of_o the_o virgin_n marie_n and_o in_o the_o octave_n every_o day_n thirty_o thousand_o year_n of_o pardon_n &_o as_o many_o lentes_n also_o pope_n clement_n the_o 5._o grant_v to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o resurrection_n of_o christ_n unto_o the_o octave_n thereof_o every_o day_n two_o thousand_o and_o eight_o hundred_o year_n of_o pardon_n item_n pope_n boneface_v the_o 8._o grant_v to_o the_o 〈◊〉_d hospital_n and_o to_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o ascension_n of_o christ_n unto_o the_o octave_n 2500_o year_n of_o pardon_n item_n pope_n clement_n the_o sixth_o grant_v to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o to_o all_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o pentecost_n unto_o the_o octave_n thereof_o every_o day_n 8000._o year_n &_o 8000._o lentes_n &_o full_a remission_n of_o all_o their_o sin_n item_n pope_n innocent_a the_o 6._o have_v grant_v to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o to_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o assumption_n of_o the_o bless_a marie_n unto_o the_o octave_n thereof_o every_o day_n 2000_o year_n and_o 2000_o lentes_n of_o pardon_n item_n pope_n benedict_n the_o 12._o have_v grant_v to_o the_o say_a hospital_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o from_o the_o feast_n of_o all_o saint_n to_o the_o feast_n of_o saint_n leonard_n 3000._o year_n and_o as_o many_o lentes_n of_o pardon_n the_o sum_n of_o the_o day_n of_o pardon_n grant_v by_o pope_n and_o by_o 60_o archbishop_n and_o by_o 70._o bishop_n in_o the_o consistory_n of_o lateran_n confirm_v by_o the_o authority_n apostolic_a make_v 700._o year_n and_o as_o many_o lentes_n the_o sum_n of_o the_o mass_n of_o the_o whole_a order_n by_o the_o year_n make_v thirty_o two_o thousand_o and_o as_o many_o psalter_n of_o the_o brother_n which_o be_v of_o the_o order_n in_o these_o liberal_a grant_v where_o there_o be_v not_o only_o thousand_o of_o year_n and_o lent_n by_o which_o you_o understand_v pain_n &_o penance_n enjoin_v or_o due_a for_o sin_n what_o mean_v the_o remission_n of_o the_o seven_o part_n of_o the_o three_o part_n of_o all_o their_o sin_n yea_o full_a remission_n of_o all_o their_o sin_n except_o the_o pope_n mean_v either_o to_o mock_v man_n that_o receive_v his_o pardon_n or_o else_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o remit_v deadly_a sin_n as_o the_o word_n sound_v &_o can_v have_v none_o other_o sense_n see_v there_o be_v not_o only_o the_o universal_a particle_n all_o their_o sin_n but_o also_o remission_n of_o sin_n be_v distinct_a from_o pain_n of_o penance_n due_a for_o sin_n again_o what_o shall_v need_v so_o large_a pardon_n for_o venial_a sin_n which_o may_v so_o easy_o be_v remit_v without_o pardon_n except_o the_o pope_n mean_v to_o release_v the_o pain_n due_a for_o deadly_a sin_n do_v ventall_a sin_n which_o may_v be_v wash_v away_o with_o holy_a water_n deserve_v so_o many_o hundred_o thousand_o year_n of_o penance_n or_o punishment_n as_o be_v contain_v in_o these_o pardon_n final_o what_o shall_v we_o say_v to_o those_o pardon_n that_o be_v grant_v for_o say_v of_o certain_a prayer_n whereof_o diverse_a print_a book_n be_v full_a in_o which_o be_v express_a mention_n of_o pardon_n for_o mortal_a sin_n as_o for_o example_n pope_n alexander_n the_o sixth_o grant_v to_o he_o that_o say_v a_o certain_a prayer_n devout_o in_o the_o worship_n of_o saint_n anne_n and_o the_o virgin_n marie_n and_o her_o son_n jesus_n ten_o thousand_o year_n of_o pardon_n for_o deadly_a sin_n and_o twenty_o year_n for_o venial_a sin_n totte_n quoties_fw-la the_o prayer_n with_o the_o indulgence_n be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o a_o book_n print_v at_o paris_n no_o long_o ago_o then_o in_o anno_fw-la 1534._o fol._n 85._o in_o horis_fw-la sanctae_fw-la virgin_n what_o face_n then_o have_v this_o proctor_n for_o the_o pope_n pardon_n to_o affirm_v that_o the_o pope_n never_o take_v upon_o he_o by_o pardon_n to_o remit_v deadly_a sin_n but_o now_o let_v we_o consider_v his_o reason_n how_o he_o proove_v that_o the_o pope_n pardon_n do_v not_o proper_o import_v remission_n of_o any_o deadly_a crime_n etc._n etc._n since_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n no_o man_n can_v forgive_v deadly_a sin_n without_o confession_n of_o the_o party_n and_o purpose_n to_o satisfy_v the_o justice_n of_o god_n here_o be_v three_o position_n assume_v without_o proof_n always_o deny_v of_o we_o namely_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n the_o necessity_n of_o popish_a confession_n or_o of_o the_o purpose_n of_o satisfy_v the_o justice_n of_o god_n which_o no_o man_n can_v satisfy_v in_o any_o part_n but_o only_o christ_n have_v full_o satisfy_v the_o same_o for_o we_o and_o therefore_o it_o be_v open_a blasphemy_n to_o say_v that_o god_n can_v not_o forgive_v a_o man_n his_o sin_n except_o he_o be_v willing_o to_o suffer_v due_a correction_n therefore_o for_o christ_n have_v once_o suffer_v for_o we_o and_o find_v eternal_a redemption_n that_o god_n require_v 10._o repentance_n in_o they_o that_o receive_v forgiveness_n of_o sin_n be_v of_o discretion_n that_o be_v such_o as_o hear_v the_o word_n and_o believe_v it_o be_v not_o so_o to_o be_v understand_v as_o though_o god_n be_v restrain_v of_o his_o power_n by_o the_o impenitency_n of_o man_n but_o that_o god_n give_v repentance_n to_o all_o such_o as_o who_o sin_n he_o forgive_v for_o except_o he_o convert_v we_o we_o can_v repent_v therefore_o it_o be_v a_o presumptuous_a say_n to_o affirm_v that_o god_n can_v because_o he_o be_v righteous_a forgive_v a_o man_n without_o he_o be_v penitent_a for_o his_o righteousness_n be_v thorough_o satisfy_v in_o christ_n before_o we_o be_v bear_v and_o if_o it_o be_v his_o pleasure_n to_o forgive_v a_o man_n his_o sin_n he_o will_v also_o give_v he_o repentance_n and_o faith_n to_o apprehend_v christ_n to_o his_o justification_n but_o the_o pope_n who_o be_v not_o able_a to_o give_v repentance_n be_v no_o more_o able_a to_o forgive_v sin_n if_o this_o matter_n hang_v as_o you_o say_v upon_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n and_o confession_n to_o a_o priest_n neither_o of_o both_o those_o necessity_n be_v prove_v it_o hang_v in_o the_o air_n and_o be_v conclude_v without_o proof_n now_o if_o god_n only_o by_o the_o ministry_n of_o
a_o lordly_a authority_n and_o imperial_a sooner_o aignitie_n he_o know_v not_o by_o what_o right_o except_o it_o be_v from_o sathan_n but_o we_o know_v that_o from_o sathan_n the_o first_o father_n of_o falsehood_n come_v these_o shameless_a lie_n of_o their_o usurpation_n of_o lordship_n or_o affectation_n of_o imperial_a soveraignitie_n well_o yet_o he_o proceed_v and_o say_v the_o bishop_n do_v excommunicase_n they_o and_o the_o prince_n banish_v they_o god_n show_v no_o sign_n for_o they_o except_o it_o be_v a_o miracle_n to_o make_v the_o live_v stark_o dead_a while_o they_o fain_o that_o they_o be_v able_a by_o the_o virtue_n of_o there_o gospel_n to_o restore_v the_o dead_a to_o life_n as_o one_o mathias_n do_v in_o polonia_n and_o the_o like_a be_v report_v of_o caluine_n credible_o in_o geneva_n touch_v the_o excommunication_n and_o banishment_n by_o the_o prelate_n of_o antichrist_n church_n and_o prince_n thrall_n unto_o the_o same_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v no_o more_o prejudice_n to_o the_o preacher_n of_o the_o gospel_n now_o than_o the_o condemnation_n of_o the_o high_a priest_n of_o pilate_n and_o herod_n be_v to_o the_o author_n of_o the_o gospel_n of_o old_a as_o for_o miracle_n they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v require_v where_o the_o same_o doctrine_n be_v teach_v which_o so_o long_o ago_o have_v be_v confirm_v by_o the_o miracle_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n and_o those_o fable_n of_o raise_v up_o dead_a man_n by_o caluine_n and_o other_o be_v like_o the_o tale_n of_o robin_n goodfellow_n which_o be_v report_v to_o be_v do_v in_o so_o many_o place_n that_o no_o wise_a man_n think_v they_o to_o be_v do_v in_o any_o next_o this_o follow_v a_o whole_a flood_n of_o tedious_a rhetorical_a rail_n in_o general_a accusation_n of_o schism_n heresy_n tumulis_fw-la sedition_n rebellion_n contempt_n of_o prince_n and_o law_n order_n and_o honesty_n at_o length_n he_o desire_v to_o be_v excuse_v of_o his_o bitterness_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o curse_a mouth_n of_o they_o which_o rail_v against_o prince_n and_o prelate_n yet_o bring_v no_o example_n but_o of_o luther_n pen_n who_o many_o man_n wish_v in_o deed_n to_o have_v use_v a_o more_o temperate_a stile_n sometime_o especial_o against_o prince_n &_o temporal_a estate_n and_o he_o himself_o do_v open_o acknowledge_v his_o fault_n therein_o especial_o his_o immoderate_a invection_n against_o king_n henry_n the_o 8._o but_o as_o for_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o wicked_a clergy_n of_o heretic_n the_o ungodlie_a enemy_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o gospel_n it_o be_v a_o hard_a matter_n to_o exceed_v measure_n in_o vehemency_n against_o they_o so_o lie_v &_o slander_n be_v always_o avoid_v if_o luther_n say_v that_o the_o turk_n in_o suffer_v all_o religion_n be_v wise_a than_o popish_a prince_n in_o persecute_v the_o gospel_n i_o see_v not_o that_o his_o say_n be_v great_o to_o be_v mislike_v for_o it_o be_v more_o wisdom_n to_o follow_v gamaliels_n council_n in_o let_v all_o alone_a then_o to_o fight_v against_o god_n against_o who_o they_o be_v sure_a not_o to_o prevail_v that_o luther_n dissuade_v all_o man_n to_o obey_v the_o ungodlie_a decree_n of_o the_o emperor_n proclaim_v at_o worm_n who_o can_v justly_o be_v offend_v which_o know_v that_o the_o obedience_n to_o prince_n may_v not_o be_v yield_v with_o manifest_a disobedience_n unto_o god_n but_o here_o a_o great_a matter_n luther_n say_v in_o hear_v of_o the_o emperor_n at_o worm_n upon_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n in_o the_o gospel_n i_o come_v not_o to_o send_v peace_n but_o the_o sword_n that_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v a_o thing_n wish_v for_o as_o most_o acceptable_a to_o christistian_a man_n and_o especial_o unto_o he_o that_o strife_n and_o contention_n shall_v rise_v and_o grow_v about_o the_o word_n of_o god_n the_o witness_n of_o this_o report_n be_v lindane_a who_o farse_v his_o dialogue_n of_o dubitantius_fw-la with_o all_o manner_n of_o fable_n that_o he_o can_v hear_v sound_v to_o the_o discredit_n of_o luther_n and_o the_o protestant_n although_o i_o see_v not_o what_o great_a harm_n shall_v be_v in_o these_o word_n be_v understand_v according_a to_o the_o say_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n that_o see_v all_o man_n will_v never_o agree_v to_o embrace_v the_o word_n of_o god_n it_o be_v to_o be_v wish_v that_o many_o man_n will_v contend_v against_o the_o impugner_n for_o it_o then_o that_o all_o man_n shall_v agree_v to_o withstand_v it_o but_o luther_n be_v charge_v to_o have_v set_v out_o to_o the_o view_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n seditious_a and_o heresicall_a book_n wherein_o he_o labour_v to_o abolish_v all_o due_a obedience_n and_o to_o persuade_v the_o people_n torebellion_n rob_v murth_fw-mi er_fw-mi sack_v and_o burn_v of_o city_n and_o church_n i_o hope_v there_o be_v no_o man_n so_o far_o carry_v beyond_o all_o judgement_n of_o reason_n that_o he_o will_v believe_v this_o slander_n to_o be_v true_a see_v it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o such_o a_o monster_n as_o he_o feign_v he_o to_o be_v shall_v have_v be_v so_o much_o favour_v and_o cherish_v by_o prince_n and_o estate_n as_o luther_n be_v nevertheless_o you_o shall_v hear_v his_o proof_n first_o wicelius_n luther_n enemy_n report_v that_o he_o say_v that_o man_n shall_v wash_v their_o hand_n in_o the_o blood_n of_o the_o romish_a clergy_n if_o this_o report_n be_v true_a it_o proove_v not_o the_o former_a accusation_n for_o allbeit_v the_o popish_a clergy_n be_v all_o slay_v by_o lawful_a authority_n in_o detestation_n of_o there_o blasphemy_n and_o idolatry_n the_o government_n both_o of_o the_o church_n and_o common_a wealth_n shall_v never_o the_o more_o decay_n but_o how_o be_v we_o bind_v to_o believe_v wicelius_n without_o proof_n in_o this_o or_o in_o any_o other_o matter_n then_o say_v frarine_n he_o affirm_v in_o his_o write_n that_o it_o be_v the_o very_a nature_n of_o the_o gospel_n to_o move_v and_o stir_v up_o war_n &_o sedition_n that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v no_o magistrate_n no_o superior_a at_o all_o among_o christian_a man_n for_o which_o he_o quote_v epist._n add_v frat_n infer_v ger._n which_o be_v a_o impudent_a fiction_n for_o he_o never_o write_v any_o such_o epistle_n or_o teach_v any_o such_o doctrine_n but_o the_o clean_a contrary_n of_o the_o necessity_n of_o magistrate_n in_o all_o christian_a common_a wealth_n secondlie_o he_o charge_v he_o to_o have_v write_v lib._n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la seculari_fw-la that_o man_n ought_v to_o pray_v to_o god_n that_o the_o uplandish_a man_n obey_v not_o their_o prince_n nor_o go_v to_o war_n against_o the_o turk_n the_o title_n of_o which_o book_n find_v not_o in_o his_o work_n and_o sure_o i_o be_o no_o such_o matter_n be_v contain_v in_o any_o book_n of_o what_o title_n soever_o but_o contrariwise_o he_o write_v many_o treatise_n against_o the_o rebellious_a bower_n very_o earnest_o condemn_v their_o disobedience_n and_o sedition_n thirdlie_o he_o quote_v lib._n contr_n duo_fw-la edict_n caesaris_fw-la that_o man_n shall_v contribute_v nothing_o towards_o the_o charge_n of_o the_o war_n against_o the_o turk_n which_o be_v malicious_o construe_v as_o though_o he_o deny_v tribute_n to_o the_o emperor_n whereas_o he_o commend_v the_o iudgemét_v of_o the_o slate_n of_o germany_n which_o when_o the_o emperor_n will_v yield_v nothing_o to_o their_o request_n for_o the_o liberty_n of_o religion_n deny_v to_o grant_v he_o a_o subsidy_n or_o contribution_n which_o he_o require_v under_o a_o pretence_n to_o resist_v the_o turk_n when_o his_o purpose_n seem_v rather_o to_o be_v bend_v against_o the_o french_a king_n and_o perhaps_o even_o against_o they_o who_o money_n he_o defire_v to_o be_v give_v he_o he_o warn_v they_o also_o that_o they_o attempt_v not_o rash_o to_o war_n upon_o the_o turk_n who_o in_o council_n and_o moderation_n do_v far_o excel_v these_o prince_n and_o live_v as_o they_o do_v may_v hope_v of_o no_o victory_n forthlie_a he_o note_v lib_n de_fw-fr bello_fw-la contra_fw-la turcam_n and_o luther_n assert_v artic_a 24_o that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o christian_a man_n to_o war_n against_o the_o turk_n and_o whosoever_o do_v fight_v against_o the_o turk_n fight_v against_o god_n punishment_n whereas_o luther_n meaning_n be_v in_o any_o such_o writing_n that_o those_o christian_n which_o be_v under_o the_o turk_n dominion_n and_o have_v free_a liberty_n of_o there_o religion_n shall_v not_o rebel_v against_o he_o although_o they_o be_v otherwise_o grievous_o oppress_v last_o of_o all_o he_o allege_v out_o of_o his_o book_n the_o 〈◊〉_d babil_n that_o neither_o man_n nor_o angel_n have_v any_o authority_n at_o all_o to_o make_v any_o law_n or_o one_o syllable_n whereunto_o christian_a man_n shall_v be_v bind_v to_o obey_v more_o or_o long_o than_o it_o please_v they_o for_o we_o be_v say_v
notwithstanding_o her_o majesty_n warrant_n any_o danger_n to_o your_o life_n or_o boast_v that_o you_o offer_v yourselves_o to_o peril_n of_o life_n when_o you_o demand_v a_o warrant_n for_o your_o safety_n without_o the_o which_o you_o dare_v not_o so_o much_o as_o utter_v your_o name_n that_o be_v the_o challenger_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o ridiculous_a suit_n for_o a_o warrant_n that_o our_o minister_n shall_v commence_v in_o your_o behalf_n when_o they_o know_v not_o what_o you_o be_v nor_o what_o warrant_v you_o have_v from_o any_o learned_a papist_n to_o make_v such_o large_a offer_n uponwarrant_v of_o your_o saftety_n see_v it_o be_v know_v that_o the_o best_a learned_a of_o your_o side_n in_o england_n have_v not_o only_o refuse_v the_o same_o but_o some_o also_o judge_v all_o disputation_n to_o be_v unprofitable_a your_o offer_n i_o confess_v be_v very_o large_a as_o that_o we_o shall_v appoint_v in_o what_o kind_n and_o number_n at_o what_o time_n to_o what_o place_n you_o shall_v come_v either_o our_o country_n man_n only_o or_o stranger_n to_o dispute_v in_o our_o university_n before_o the_o learned_a only_o that_o you_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o call_v all_o the_o learned_a protestants_n of_o europe_n for_o our_o defence_n you_o take_v only_o our_o own_o countryman_n that_o you_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o oppose_v or_o defend_v begin_v or_o end_v or_o use_v any_o prerogative_n that_o may_v not_o impugn_v the_o indifferency_n of_o trial_n but_o when_o you_o ask_v what_o we_o can_v allege_v why_o we_o shall_v not_o accept_v this_o we_o answer_v that_o beside_o many_o cause_n not_o here_o needful_a to_o be_v rehearse_v though_o before_o in_o part_n touch_v we_o allege_v for_o this_o present_a that_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o you_o be_v able_a to_o perform_v any_o of_o these_o liberal_a offer_n except_o we_o see_v matter_n of_o great_a credit_n than_o a_o epistle_n of_o a_o unknown_a papist_n write_v to_o master_n charke_n a_o private_a man_n if_o you_o have_v show_v we_o such_o warrant_n or_o commission_n as_o we_o may_v probable_o have_v be_v persuade_v of_o the_o performance_n of_o these_o promise_n you_o may_v more_o reasonable_o have_v require_v what_o we_o have_v to_o allege_v why_o we_o do_v not_o accept_v they_o but_o now_o there_o be_v no_o reason_n in_o the_o world_n that_o we_o shall_v entreat_v with_o our_o prince_n &_o magistrate_n upon_o these_o frivolous_a word_n of_o a_o obscure_a hedge-creeper_n or_o boast_v bench-whistler_n for_o any_o thing_n we_o know_v i_o be_o in_o the_o name_n of_o all_o my_o fellow_n catholic_n to_o renew_v &c_n &c_n once_o again_o i_o say_v to_o you_o minister_n etc._n etc._n we_o will_v give_v you_o leave_v &c_n &c_n and_o such_o like_a but_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a that_o you_o be_v liberal_a at_o home_n only_o except_o you_o be_v lavish_a abroad_o also_o for_o if_o we_o have_v lever_n make_v trial_n in_o other_o countries_n we_o may_v choose_v what_o protestant_a state_n we_o list_v and_o procure_v you_o safety_n there_o you_o will_v meet_v us._n or_o if_o we_o please_v to_o come_v into_o any_o catholic_a kingdom_n or_o country_n you_o will_v procure_v what_o security_n soever_o reasonable_o we_o will_v demand_v and_o more_o than_o that_o you_o will_v bear_v our_o expense_n also_o rather_o than_o so_o good_a a_o work_n shall_v remain_v unattempted_a or_o any_o other_o condition_n that_o we_o can_v device_n you_o will_v fulfil_v then_o you_o conclude_v if_o we_o offer_v you_o reason_n then_o deal_v somewhat_o reasonable_o with_o we_o again_o for_o all_o the_o world_n will_v cry_v shame_n and_o begin_v to_o discredit_v you_o if_o you_o will_v neither_o give_v nor_o take_v upon_o so_o great_a odds_n as_o here_o be_v offer_v you_o i_o answer_v you_o offer_v we_o great_a word_n but_o no_o reason_n at_o all_o because_o we_o know_v not_o what_o assurance_n you_o can_v make_v we_o to_o perform_v your_o word_n if_o master_n charke_n a_o man_n well_o know_v by_o his_o name_n shall_v make_v the_o like_a offer_n to_o you_o by_o such_o a_o other_o print_a epistle_n or_o take_v your_o offer_n shall_v promise_v you_o as_o great_a warrant_n as_o you_o require_v at_o home_o or_o abroad_o and_o moreover_o to_o bear_v your_o expense_n rather_o than_o you_o shall_v sail_v to_o appear_v at_o any_o time_n or_o place_n by_o he_o assign_v be_v your_o simplicity_n so_o great_a that_o you_o will_v keep_v the_o appoint_a day_n and_o place_n of_o disputation_n upon_o his_o pure_a promise_n without_o further_a assurance_n and_o yet_o you_o can_v not_o miss_v to_o hear_v of_o he_o &_o his_o dwell_a place_n at_o london_n whereas_o we_o know_v not_o to_o who_o nor_o whether_o to_o returnethe_v warrant_n that_o it_o may_v come_v to_o you_o except_o per_fw-la hap_n youwould_v have_v it_o proclaim_v with_o sound_n of_o trum_fw-la pet_n &_o send_v into_o all_o part_n of_o the_o realm_n that_o you_o may_v hereof_o it_o it_o may_v be_v you_o will_v allege_v that_o it_o be_v great_a danger_n for_o you_o to_o appear_v without_o warrant_n of_o security_n and_o no_o peril_n for_o we_o to_o procure_v you_o assurance_n of_o safety_n but_o all_o wise_a man_n may_v see_v that_o we_o shall_v deserve_v no_o less_o punishment_n by_o procure_v such_o a_o warrant_n for_o you_o upon_o so_o light_a a_o ground_n if_o you_o do_v not_o accept_v it_o as_o you_o shall_v incur_v appear_v without_o warrant_n for_o any_o difference_n in_o religion_n if_o you_o be_v not_o guilty_a of_o felony_n or_o treason_n if_o you_o mean_v nothing_o but_o peaceable_a disputation_n for_o trial_n of_o truth_n you_o will_v not_o make_v your_o challenge_n in_o print_a libel_n and_o seditious_a pamphlet_n but_o rather_o seek_v it_o at_o the_o hand_n of_o they_o that_o have_v authority_n to_o grant_v it_o by_o intercession_n of_o those_o foreign_a prince_n with_o who_o you_o pretend_v your_o credit_n to_o be_v so_o great_a that_o you_o can_v procure_v what_o security_n soever_o reasonable_o we_o can_v demand_v in_o their_o dominion_n but_o to_o use_v any_o such_o lawful_a mean_n i_o trow_v you_o will_v make_v no_o haste_n when_o you_o will_v not_o accept_v that_o quiet_a form_n of_o trial_n by_o syllogism_n in_o writing_n which_o by_o doctor_n fulke_n so_o many_o year_n ago_o be_v offer_v unto_o you_o and_o yet_o be_v free_a for_o you_o to_o take_v if_o it_o please_v you_o and_o that_o without_o suit_n without_o danger_n and_o to_o the_o best_a and_o sure_a trial_n of_o the_o truth_n but_o if_o we_o dare_v not_o venture_v with_o disputation_n yet_o you_o require_v we_o to_o grant_v you_o certain_a sermon_n to_o encounter_v with_o we_o upon_o this_o matter_n a_o very_a reasonable_a request_n i_o assure_v you_o when_o you_o will_v grant_v the_o like_a liberty_n of_o preach_v in_o spain_n or_o italy_n we_o will_v become_v suitor_n for_o you_o to_o preach_v in_o england_n or_o if_o that_o also_o be_v to_o dangerous_a we_o must_v procure_v you_o but_o a_o little_a passage_n for_o your_o book_n &_o special_o master_n charke_n must_v obtain_v licence_n &_o free_a passage_n for_o this_o book_n until_o it_o be_v answer_v sir_n whenwe_v see_v what_o passage_n you_o can_v &_o will_v procure_v for_o our_o book_n at_o lest_o such_o as_o be_v not_o answer_v until_o they_o be_v answer_v in_o place_n where_o they_o be_v now_o restrain_v we_o will_v endeavour_n that_o you_o shall_v have_v the_o like_a entertainment_n with_o us._n in_o the_o mean_a time_n take_v what_o controversy_n you_o will_v or_o think_v you_o self_n best_o able_a to_o prove_v against_o we_o set_v down_o such_o argument_n as_o you_o have_v to_o oppose_v against_o our_o assertion_n in_o lawful_a and_o logical_a syllogism_n and_o whether_o you_o send_v they_o write_v or_o print_v you_o shall_v receive_v they_o again_o print_v with_o our_o answer_n to_o they_o and_o have_v as_o free_a passage_n for_o your_o argument_n as_o shall_v be_v grant_v for_o our_o answer_n if_o you_o will_v reply_v against_o our_o answer_n in_o like_a form_n aforesaid_a you_o shall_v have_v our_o 〈◊〉_d in_o like_a manner_n set_v forth_o with_o your_o reply_n and_o 〈◊〉_d the_o grace_n of_o god_n you_o shall_v not_o fail_v of_o toties_fw-la quoties_fw-la until_o you_o be_v non_fw-la plus_fw-la or_o which_o we_o have_v rather_o will_v he_o until_o you_o yield_v to_o the_o truth_n this_o offer_n be_v so_o reasonable_a that_o when_o the_o like_a be_v make_v to_o m._n mettham_n one_o of_o the_o prisoner_n at_o wisbeach_n m._n fecknam_n of_o his_o equity_n acknowledge_v that_o there_o can_v no_o more_o be_v require_v butas_n mettham_n do_v then_o refuse_v it_o so_o i_o be_o afraid_a will_v you_o and_o yet_o it_o be_v more_o than_o you_o will_v do_v for_o we_o to_o give_v licence_n that_o our_o book_n may_v