the_o church_n of_o england_n 36._o for_o mr._n thorndike_n free_o 〈◊〉_d that_o he_o must_v maintain_v as_o unquestionable_a that_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a enjoin_v no_o idolatry_n and_o dr._n field_n affirm_v that_o the_o nicene_n father_n mean_v nothing_o else_o by_o adoration_n of_o image_n but_o embrace_v kiss_v and_o reverent_o use_v of_o they_o like_v to_o the_o honour_n we_o say_v he_o do_v the_o book_n of_o holy_a scripture_n whereupon_o bishop_n montague_n say_v let_v doctrine_n and_o practice_n go_v together_o 3â—9_n and_o we_o agree_v dr._n st._n perhaps_o will_v rank_v they_o for_o this_o in_o the_o same_o predicament_n of_o with_o the_o nicen_n father_n but_o herein_o his_o vanity_n and_o presumption_n will_v appear_v though_o less_o than_o in_o condemn_v a_o whole_a general_n council_n a_o far_a discovery_n of_o it_o he_o make_v in_o deride_v the_o answer_n give_v to_o the_o objection_n of_o his_o constantinopolitan_a father_n let_v we_o see_v what_o they_o be_v and_o with_o what_o reason_n he_o do_v it_o §_o 3._o first_o say_v he_o when_o the_o father_n of_o the_o synod_n at_o constantinople_n have_v say_v that_o christ_n come_v to_o deliver_v we_o from_o all_o idolatry_n and_o to_o teach_v the_o worship_n of_o god_n in_o spirit_n and_o in_o truth_n they_o brave_o answer_v that_o then_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o christian_n meaning_n i_o suppose_v particular_a christian_n to_o fall_v into_o idolatry_n because_o he_o shall_v have_v add_v as_o the_o council_n do_v the_o prophet_n have_v foretell_v that_o all_o idolatry_n shall_v be_v extirpate_v by_o the_o preach_n of_o christ_n &_o his_o apostle_n and_o his_o kingdom_n be_v always_o to_o continue_v and_o the_o gift_n and_o grace_n of_o god_n be_v without_o repentance_n which_o will_v as_o well_o hold_v say_v the_o doctor_n against_o the_o prevalency_n of_o the_o turk_n as_o idolatry_n among_o they_o and_o be_v not_o this_o brave_o answer_v by_o the_o doctor_n do_v he_o think_v that_o there_o be_v as_o great_a promise_n in_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o turk_n not_o overrun_v christendom_n as_o there_o be_v for_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n not_o prevail_v against_o the_o church_n or_o that_o the_o church_n which_o be_v christ_n kingdom_n can_v apostatise_v so_o far_o as_o to_o enjoin_v and_o allow_v the_o belief_n and_o practice_n of_o idolatry_n and_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n not_o prevail_v against_o it_o if_o he_o will_v not_o maintain_v these_o impiety_n to_o be_v true_a 2._o nor_o deny_v what_o god_n have_v say_v by_o the_o prophet_n zachary_n behold_v the_o day_n come_v and_o i_o will_v destroy_v the_o name_n of_o idol_n from_o off_o the_o earth_n and_o the_o memory_n of_o they_o shall_v be_v no_o more_o and_o this_o not_o for_o four_o or_o five_o hundred_o year_n but_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n for_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n be_v to_o continue_v always_o and_o his_o grace_n be_v without_o repentance_n let_v he_o give_v glory_n to_o god_n and_o acknowledge_v his_o charge_n of_o idolatry_n to_o be_v false_a and_o that_o christ_n have_v do_v what_o he_o come_v to_o do_v that_o be_v as_o his_o constantinopolitan_a father_n confess_v to_o deliver_v we_o from_o all_o idolatry_n §_o 4._o the_o second_o thing_n he_o make_v the_o father_n of_o the_o false_a synod_n at_o constantinople_n to_o urge_v be_v that_o the_o devil_n not_o be_v able_a to_o reduce_v the_o world_n to_o the_o former_a idolatry_n endeavour_v underhand_o to_o introduce_v it_o under_o a_o pretence_n of_o christianity_n bring_v they_o again_o to_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o creature_n and_o make_v a_o god_n of_o a_o thing_n that_o be_v make_v when_o they_o have_v call_v it_o by_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n the_o word_n here_o cite_v be_v take_v out_o of_o st._n gregory_n nissen_n in_o the_o oration_n he_o make_v upon_o his_o brother_n st._n basil_n and_o epiphanius_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a charge_v they_o to_o have_v adulterate_v both_o the_o meaning_n and_o word_n of_o the_o saint_n by_o put_v the_o name_n of_o christ_n instead_o of_o that_o of_o the_o son_n for_o whereas_o st._n gregory_n discourse_n there_o be_v against_o the_o arrian_n prove_v they_o to_o be_v idolater_n because_o they_o acknowledge_v christ_n to_o be_v a_o creature_n and_o yet_o adore_v and_o serve_v and_o put_v their_o trust_n in_o he_o they_o wicked_o pervert_v his_o word_n against_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n which_o although_o christian_n retain_v in_o memory_n and_o reverence_n out_o of_o love_n to_o he_o that_o be_v represent_v by_o they_o yet_o they_o neither_o call_v they_o god_n nor_o serve_v they_o as_o god_n nor_o at_o any_o time_n put_v their_o hope_n of_o salvation_n in_o they_o as_o the_o arrian_n do_v in_o the_o son_n although_o they_o believe_v he_o to_o be_v a_o creature_n the_o dr._n think_v it_o not_o to_o his_o purpose_n to_o take_v notice_n of_o this_o juggle_v of_o his_o constantinopolitan_a father_n in_o put_v the_o name_n christ_n for_o son_n no_o it_o may_v put_v we_o in_o mind_n of_o his_o own_o dexterous_a manage_n the_o word_n and_o sense_n of_o author_n cite_v by_o himself_o as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o the_o forego_n chapter_n only_o when_o epiphanius_n make_v the_o difference_n between_o the_o arrian_n and_o catholic_n to_o consist_v in_o this_o that_o the_o arrian_n trust_v in_o christ_n and_o give_v proper_o divine_a honour_n to_o he_o but_o catholic_n do_v not_o so_o to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n but_o only_o worship_v they_o for_o the_o sake_n of_o the_o object_n represent_v by_o they_o 3._o he_o come_v in_o p._n 79._o with_o a_o but_o aquinas_n and_o his_o follower_n have_v at_o large_a prove_v that_o where_o any_o thing_n be_v worship_v mere_o for_o the_o sake_n of_o another_o it_o must_v have_v the_o same_o kind_n of_o worship_n give_v it_o which_o they_o give_v to_o the_o thing_n represent_v by_o it_o for_o as_o aquinas_n observe_v the_o motion_n of_o the_o soul_n towards_o a_o image_n as_o it_o be_v a_o image_n be_v the_o same_o with_o that_o which_o be_v towards_o the_o thing_n represent_v by_o it_o therefore_o epiphanius_n and_o the_o nicen_n father_n be_v in_o the_o same_o case_n with_o the_o arrian_n who_o they_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v idolater_n §_o 5._o i_o remember_v the_o dr._n in_o his_o preface_n tell_v his_o reader_n that_o his_o design_n be_v to_o argue_v close_o how_o much_o he_o have_v fail_v in_o the_o performance_n of_o his_o design_n if_o ever_o he_o have_v any_o such_o i_o have_v show_v in_o almost_o every_o argument_n he_o bring_v and_o for_o the_o present_a argument_n there_o be_v so_o many_o fail_n in_o it_o that_o a_o junior_a sophister_n in_o the_o school_n will_v have_v give_v it_o the_o name_n not_o of_o one_o but_o of_o many_o fallacy_n for_o to_o make_v the_o consequence_n good_a he_o ought_v first_o to_o have_v prove_v that_o the_o nicen_n father_n be_v of_o the_o same_o opinion_n with_o aquinas_n and_o his_o follower_n or_o that_o their_o argument_n be_v so_o evident_a a_o demonstration_n that_o they_o can_v not_o but_o be_v guilty_a of_o culpable_a ignorance_n if_o they_o do_v not_o see_v it_o two_o that_o aquinas_n and_o his_o follower_n do_v conclude_v themselves_o in_o virtue_n of_o so_o evident_a a_o proof_n to_o be_v idolater_n or_o at_o least_o they_o ought_v to_o have_v do_v so_o for_o give_v the_o same_o worship_n or_o reverence_n to_o christ_n and_o his_o image_n to_o he_o absolute_o for_o himself_o to_o his_o image_n relative_o or_o mere_o for_o his_o sake_n as_o they_o explicate_v themselves_o three_o that_o the_o arrian_n be_v idolater_n upon_o this_o very_a account_n that_o they_o give_v only_o relative_a worship_n to_o the_o son_n and_o not_o proper_o divine_a worship_n which_o st._n gregory_n nissen_n say_v they_o do_v because_o though_o they_o acknowledge_v he_o to_o be_v a_o creature_n yet_o they_o adore_v and_o serve_v and_o put_v their_o trust_n in_o he_o as_o god_n these_o thing_n he_o ought_v to_o have_v prove_v to_o make_v his_o own_o consequence_n good_a viz._n therefore_o the_o nicen_n father_n be_v in_o the_o same_o case_n with_o the_o arrian_n who_o they_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v idolater_n but_o to_o tell_v we_o that_o because_o epiphanius_n and_o the_o nicen_n father_n say_v they_o only_o worship_v the_o image_n of_o christ_n for_o his_o sake_n who_o be_v represent_v by_o they_o and_o because_o not_o they_n but_o aquinas_n and_o his_o follower_n have_v at_o large_a prove_v that_o when_o christ_n be_v worship_v by_o his_o image_n the_o same_o worship_n or_o reverence_n be_v give_v to_o he_o and_o his_o image_n therefore_o epiphanius_n and_o the_o nicen_n father_n be_v in_o the_o same_o case_n with_o the_o arrian_n that_o be_v idolater_n be_v such_o a_o piece_n of_o logic_n if_o good_a
he_o say_v be_v very_o well_o know_v to_o the_o author_n of_o the_o caroline_n book_n and_o because_o the_o copy_n of_o the_o nicen_n council_n be_v send_v they_o by_o pope_n adrian_n who_o legate_n also_o preside_v in_o the_o council_n of_o francford_n and_o may_v easy_o rectify_v any_o mistake_n if_o they_o be_v guilty_a of_o it_o beside_o none_o of_o the_o historian_n of_o that_o time_n do_v take_v notice_n of_o any_o such_o error_n and_o the_o second_o canon_n of_o francford_n publish_v by_o sirmondus_n express_o condemn_v the_o council_n of_o nice_a to_o this_o he_o add_v that_o the_o same_o council_n be_v reject_v here_o in_o england_n and_o the_o synod_n of_o paris_n call_v by_o ludovicus_n pius_n condemn_v express_o pope_n adrian_n for_o assert_v a_o superstitious_a adoration_n of_o image_n last_o he_o confirm_v it_o from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o caroline_n book_n who_o design_n as_o binius_fw-la confess_v be_v against_o all_o worship_n of_o image_n and_o of_o agobardus_n publish_v by_o baluzius_n who_o ingenuous_o say_v he_o confess_v that_o agobardus_n say_v no_o more_o than_o the_o whole_a gallican_n church_n believe_v in_o that_o age._n this_o be_v the_o sum_n and_o force_v of_o his_o argument_n and_o to_o manifest_v the_o insufficiency_n of_o it_o in_o order_n to_o his_o design_n suppose_v the_o matter_n of_o fact_n to_o be_v true_a viz._n that_o the_o council_n of_o francford_n do_v reject_v that_o of_o nice_n which_o divers_a learned_a man_n not_o improbable_o deny_v i_o shall_v show_v first_o that_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la there_o be_v a_o misunderstanding_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a second_o that_o suppose_v there_o have_v be_v no_o mistake_n but_o that_o the_o synod_n at_o francford_n have_v real_o condemn_v the_o doctrine_n of_o nice_a yet_o have_v it_o be_v no_o advantage_n to_o his_o cause_n §_o 2._o first_o there_o be_v a_o misunderstanding_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a and_o to_o make_v this_o evident_a i_o shall_v need_v no_o more_o than_o to_o compare_v what_o be_v teach_v in_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a with_o what_o be_v condemn_v in_o the_o council_n of_o francford_n what_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a teach_v i_o have_v set_v down_o in_o the_o precedent_a chapter_n viz._n that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v place_v and_o retain_v in_o church_n etc._n etc._n and_o that_o a_o honorary_a adoration_n or_o respect_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o say_a image_n like_v as_o be_v give_v to_o chalice_n and_o to_o the_o book_n of_o the_o h_n gospel_n but_o not_o latria_n which_o as_o true_a faith_n teach_v be_v due_a only_a to_o god_n this_o be_v the_o plain_a and_o open_a definition_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a let_v we_o now_o see_v what_o it_o be_v that_o the_o synod_n of_o francford_n condemn_v allata_fw-la est_fw-la in_o medium_n quaestio_fw-la etc._n etc._n a_o question_n be_v propose_v in_o the_o council_n say_v the_o author_n of_o the_o caroline_n book_n concern_v the_o late_a synod_n of_o the_o greek_n hold_v at_o constantinople_n a_o mistake_n of_o the_o place_n for_o nicaea_n about_o the_o adore_v of_o image_n in_o qua_fw-la scriptum_fw-la habebatur_fw-la in_o which_o there_o be_v write_v that_o those_o shall_v be_v anathematise_v who_o do_v not_o give_v service_n and_o adoration_n to_o image_n of_o the_o saint_n as_o to_o the_o divine_a trinity_n now_o say_v the_o say_a author_n our_o most_o holy_a father_n deny_v by_o all_o mean_v service_n and_o adoration_n do_v both_o contemn_v and_o unanimous_o condemn_v the_o say_a synod_n this_o be_v what_o the_o father_n of_o the_o synod_n at_o francford_n condemn_v as_o it_o stand_v represent_v by_o the_o author_n himself_o of_o the_o carolin_n book_n to_o who_o my_o adversary_n say_v that_o the_o act_n of_o the_o council_n be_v very_o well_o know_v and_o by_o goldastus_n in_o sir_n henry_n spelman_n 307._o who_o cite_v they_o as_o the_o very_a word_n of_o the_o council_n and_o i_o suppose_v by_o sirmondus_n also_o for_o have_v he_o publish_v any_o thing_n else_o the_o doctor_n will_v not_o have_v fail_v to_o let_v we_o know_v it_o and_o now_o i_o appeal_v to_o any_o indifferent_a reader_n whether_o there_o be_v not_o a_o great_a misunderstanding_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a for_o have_v the_o father_n of_o francford_n right_o understand_v that_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a declare_v only_o a_o honorary_a worship_n to_o be_v give_v to_o image_n like_v as_o to_o the_o h._n cross_n and_o to_o the_o book_n of_o h._n scripture_n etc._n etc._n and_o not_o latria_n or_o the_o worship_n due_a only_o to_o god_n they_o can_v never_o have_v condemn_v it_o for_o define_v that_o the_o same_o service_n and_o worship_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o image_n as_o to_o the_o divine_a trinity_n and_o therefore_o mr._n thorndike_n ingenuous_o profess_v that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v grant_v that_o whosoever_o it_o be_v that_o write_v the_o book_n against_o image_n under_o the_o name_n of_o charles_n the_o great_a 363._o do_v understand_v the_o council_n to_o enjoin_v the_o worship_n of_o god_n to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o image_n of_o our_o lord_n but_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v deny_v that_o it_o be_v a_o mere_a mistake_n and_o that_o the_o council_n acknowledge_v that_o submission_n of_o the_o heart_n which_o the_o excellence_n of_o god_n only_o challenge_v proper_a to_o the_o h._n trinity_n maintain_v a_o signification_n of_o that_o esteem_n to_o be_v pay_v to_o the_o image_n of_o our_o lord_n it_o be_v evident_a then_o there_o be_v a_o grand_a mistake_n and_o to_o omit_v what_o bellarmin_n and_o other_o say_v of_o the_o ocsion_n of_o it_o 3._o petrus_n de_fw-fr marca_n the_o late_a learned_a archbishop_n of_o paris_n very_o probable_o judge_v it_o to_o have_v rise_v from_o the_o word_n of_o constantinus_n bishop_n of_o constantia_n in_o cyprus_n unskilful_o render_v by_o the_o latin_a translator_n for_o as_o he_o well_o observe_v the_o council_n of_o francford_n do_v not_o condemn_v the_o plain_a and_o open_a definition_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a but_o as_o the_o canon_n itself_o of_o francford_n speak_v quod_fw-la scriptum_fw-la habebatur_fw-la for_o that_o there_o be_v find_v write_v in_o the_o act_n of_o that_o council_n that_o the_o worship_n due_a unto_o god_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o image_n and_o the_o author_n of_o the_o caroline_n book_n tell_v we_o that_o this_o be_v find_v write_v in_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o aforesaid_a constantinus_n who_o therefore_o he_o condemn_v of_o precipitancy_n and_o folly_n in_o these_o word_n infauste_n &_o praecipitant_a sieve_n insipienter_fw-la constantinus_n constantiae_fw-la cypri_n episcopus_fw-la dixit_fw-la suscipio_fw-la &_o amplector_fw-la honorabiliter_fw-la sanctas_fw-la &_o venerandas_fw-la imagine_v &_o quae_fw-la secundum_fw-la servitium_fw-la adorationis_fw-la quae_fw-la substantiali_fw-la &_o vivificatrici_fw-la trinitati_fw-la emitto_fw-la but_o instead_o of_o precipitancy_n and_o folly_n in_o constantinus_n he_o shall_v have_v lay_v the_o fault_n upon_o the_o ignorance_n of_o the_o translator_n or_o his_o own_o if_o not_o his_o malice_n for_o the_o sense_n in_o greek_a be_v plain_a and_o facile_a to_o be_v this_o suscipio_fw-la &_o honorarie_a amplector_fw-la sanctas_fw-la &_o venerabiles_fw-la imagine_v et_fw-la adorationem_fw-la secundum_fw-la latriam_fw-la soli_fw-la supersubstantiali_fw-la &_o vivificae_fw-la trinitati_fw-la impendo_fw-la i_o receive_v and_o with_o honour_n embrace_v the_o holy_a and_o venerable_a image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n but_o for_o adoration_n of_o latria_n i_o give_v it_o only_o to_o the_o supersubstantial_a and_o life-giving_a trinity_n from_o whence_o it_o be_v be_v plain_a how_o ignorant_o or_o malicious_o rather_o it_o be_v say_v by_o calvin_n 16._o that_o the_o same_o constantinus_n profess_v he_o do_v reverent_o embrace_v the_o say_v holy_a image_n cultumque_fw-la honoris_fw-la qui_fw-la vivificae_fw-la trinitati_fw-la debetur_fw-la se_fw-la illis_fw-la exhibiturum_fw-la and_o that_o he_o will_v give_v that_o worship_n to_o they_o which_o be_v due_a to_o the_o holy_a trinity_n when_o what_o he_o profess_v be_v the_o quite_o contrary_a such_o art_n as_o these_o be_v enough_o to_o make_v a_o man_n suspect_v a_o good_a cause_n much_o more_o to_o desert_v a_o bad_a one_o but_o whether_o this_o be_v the_o occasion_n or_o no_o it_o be_v evident_a as_o i_o show_v before_o that_o there_o be_v a_o great_a mistake_n and_o while_o the_o matter_n of_o fact_n be_v evident_a my_o adversary_n labour_v in_o vain_a to_o argue_v from_o conjecture_n that_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a especial_o since_o the_o copy_n of_o the_o act_n of_o the_o nicene_n council_n be_v so_o unskilful_o if_o not_o malicious_o translate_v as_o to_o minister_v matter_n of_o mistake_n and_o though_o the_o pope_n legate_n can_v not_o persuade_v the_o francford_n father_n from_o
the_o pope_n legate_n who_o preside_v and_o the_o vicar_n of_o the_o oriental_a patriarchal_a see_v who_o assist_v in_o it_o o_o my_o god_n be_v it_o come_v to_o this_o that_o a_o inferior_a rector_n of_o one_o parochial_a church_n who_o name_n be_v scarce_o know_v but_o in_o the_o bill_n of_o mortality_n and_o be_v never_o hear_v of_o in_o the_o list_n of_o any_o general_a council_n shall_v dare_v to_o condemn_v as_o foolish_a the_o sentence_n of_o the_o most_o august_n and_o venerable_n tribunal_n upon_o earth_n be_v he_o not_o afraid_a of_o that_o dreadful_a sentence_n of_o our_o lord_n 22._o he_o that_o shall_v say_v to_o his_o brother_n how_o much_o more_o to_o so_o many_o father_n of_o the_o church_n fool_n shall_v be_v guilty_a of_o hell-fire_n what_o order_n and_o discipline_n can_v be_v observe_v in_o the_o church_n if_o it_o shall_v be_v lawful_a for_o any_o private_a person_n upon_o presumption_n of_o his_o own_o wit_n to_o contemn_v and_o deride_v the_o decree_n of_o those_o who_o he_o be_v bind_v under_o pain_n of_o be_v account_v as_o a_o heathen_a and_o publican_n to_o hear_v will_v he_o plead_v for_o his_o excuse_n that_o he_o follow_v the_o judgement_n of_o another_o synod_n hold_v not_o long_o before_o in_o constantinople_n in_o which_o boâ—h_v the_o make_n and_o honour_v of_o sacred_a image_n be_v condemn_v let_v he_o show_v that_o to_o have_v be_v a_o lawful_a council_n and_o not_o a_o conventicle_n as_o in_o reality_n it_o be_v be_v call_v by_o the_o secular_a power_n and_o want_v both_o the_o consent_n and_o presence_n of_o the_o patriarch_n of_o the_o east_n and_o chief_o of_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n by_o himself_o or_o legate_n leon._n who_o the_o father_n of_o the_o four_o general_n council_n of_o chalcedon_n acknowledge_v to_o have_v preside_v over_o they_o as_o the_o head_n over_o the_o member_n and_o without_o who_o authority_n according_a to_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n 91._o no_o decree_n can_v be_v valid_a none_o of_o which_o defect_n be_v in_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a beside_o that_o divers_a of_o the_o bishop_n who_o have_v vote_v in_o and_o subscribe_v to_o the_o false_a synod_n of_o constantinople_n come_v and_o abjure_v its_o doctrine_n in_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a and_o among_o they_o gregorius_n bishop_n of_o neocaesarea_n the_o ringleader_n of_o the_o faction_n yet_o dr._n st._n take_v up_o and_o abet_n the_o argument_n of_o that_o pseudo-synod_n as_o if_o they_o have_v never_o be_v retract_v and_o anathematise_v as_o impious_a by_o the_o chief_a author_n of_o it_o and_o scoff_v at_o the_o answer_n of_o the_o synod_n to_o they_o as_o insufficient_a i_o pray_v god_n he_o may_v one_o day_n imitate_v he_o in_o his_o repentance_n as_o he_o have_v do_v hitherto_o in_o his_o passion_n against_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n example_n we_o know_v move_v much_o and_o possible_o it_o may_v be_v neither_o unprofitable_a to_o he_o nor_o ungrateful_a to_o the_o reader_n to_o set_v down_o the_o form_n and_o manner_n of_o that_o bishop_n recantation_n and_o his_o reception_n into_o the_o church_n §_o 2._o be_v bring_v into_o the_o council_n by_o a_o person_n of_o honour_n send_v from_o the_o emperor_n 2._o tarasius_n patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n ask_v he_o if_o hitherto_o he_o have_v not_o know_v the_o truth_n or_o know_o have_v contemn_v it_o his_o answer_n be_v that_o he_o hope_v it_o be_v out_o of_o ignorance_n but_o desire_v to_o learn_v and_o when_o tarasius_n bid_v he_o declare_v what_o he_o desire_v to_o learn_v he_o answer_v forasmuch_o as_o this_o whole_a assembly_n do_v say_v and_o think_v the_o same_o thing_n i_o know_v and_o most_o certain_o believe_v that_o the_o point_n now_o agitate_a and_o preach_v by_o this_o synod_n be_v the_o truth_n and_o therefore_o i_o beg_v pardon_n for_o my_o former_a evil_n and_o desire_v with_o all_o these_o to_o be_v instruct_v and_o enlighten_v for_o my_o error_n and_o crime_n be_v great_a beyond_o measure_n and_o as_o god_n shall_v please_v to_o move_v the_o heart_n of_o this_o holy_a synod_n to_o compunction_n towards_o i_o so_o be_v it_o here_o tarasius_n express_v some_o doubt_n he_o have_v least_o his_o submission_n may_v not_o be_v sincere_a but_o that_o he_o may_v speak_v one_o thing_n with_o his_o mouth_n and_o have_v another_o in_o his_o heart_n gregorius_n cry_v out_o god_n forbid_v i_o confess_v the_o truth_n and_o lie_v not_o neither_o will_v i_o ever_o go_v back_o from_o my_o word_n whereupon_o tarasius_n tell_v he_o that_o he_o ought_v long_o ago_o to_o have_v give_v ear_n to_o what_o the_o holy_a apostle_n st._n paul_n teach_v 15._o say_v hold_v fast_o the_o tradition_n which_o you_o have_v receive_v either_o by_o our_o word_n or_o by_o our_o epistle_n and_o again_o 9_o to_o timothy_n and_o titus_n avoid_v profane_a novelty_n of_o word_n for_o what_o can_v be_v a_o great_a novelty_n in_o christianity_n and_o more_o profane_a than_o to_o say_v that_o christian_n be_v idolater_n to_o this_o gregorius_n return_v that_o what_o he_o and_o his_o partisan_n have_v do_v be_v evil_a and_o we_o confess_v say_v he_o that_o it_o be_v evil_a so_o it_o be_v and_o so_o we_o do_v by_o which_o word_n it_o seem_v he_o make_v a_o particular_a confession_n of_o what_o evil_a they_o have_v do_v and_o therefore_o we_o beg_v pardon_n of_o our_o fault_n i_o confess_v most_o holy_a father_n before_o you_o and_o this_o holy_a synod_n that_o we_o have_v sin_v that_o we_o have_v transgress_v that_o we_o have_v do_v evil_a and_o ask_v pardon_n for_o it_o upon_o this_o it_o be_v order_v that_o he_o shall_v bring_v in_o his_o confession_n the_o next_o session_n of_o the_o synod_n which_o he_o do_v of_o the_o same_o tenor_n with_o that_o of_o basilius_n bishop_n of_o ancyra_n and_o other_o in_o the_o first_o session_n 3._o viz._n that_o he_o do_v receive_v and_o salute_v or_o give_v veneration_n to_o the_o holy_a and_o venerable_a image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n and_o anathematise_v such_o as_o be_v not_o of_o the_o same_o mind_n as_o he_o express_v himself_o in_o the_o vote_n he_o give_v after_o he_o have_v by_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o pope_n legate_n and_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o synod_n be_v restore_v to_o his_o seat_n upon_o his_o repentance_n this_o be_v record_v of_o gregorius_n bishop_n of_o neocaesarea_n in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a to_o his_o immortal_a glory_n may_v it_o be_v imitate_v with_o no_o less_o glory_n by_o the_o rector_n of_o st._n andrews_n may_v he_o take_v to_o himself_o what_o st._n ambrose_n say_v to_o theodosius_n secutus_fw-la es_fw-la errantem_fw-la sequere_fw-la poenitentem_fw-la this_o i_o hearty_o pray_v for_o and_o to_o this_o end_n shall_v take_v the_o pain_n to_o show_v with_o what_o little_a reason_n he_o abet_n the_o argument_n of_o that_o false_a synod_n and_o deride_v the_o answer_n of_o the_o nicen_n father_n if_o in_o do_v this_o i_o make_v his_o vanity_n appear_v here_o as_o elsewhere_o i_o have_v do_v it_o be_v but_o what_o st._n austin_n tell_v we_o 36._o we_o ought_v so_o much_o the_o more_o to_o endeavour_v towards_o those_o who_o oppugn_v the_o church_n by_o how_o much_o the_o more_o we_o desire_v their_o salvation_n and_o i_o know_v not_o how_o possible_o himself_o can_v have_v lay_v it_o more_o open_a than_o in_o the_o ironical_a title_n of_o that_o wise_a synod_n he_o give_v that_o very_a council_n to_o which_o his_o leader_n in_o the_o charge_n of_o idolatry_n the_o afore_v mention_v gregorius_n submit_v himself_o as_o to_o a_o most_o lawful_a council_n confess_v that_o what_o those_o father_n so_o unanimous_o teach_v be_v the_o truth_n and_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n now_o what_o they_o teach_v be_v 7._o this_o that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v place_v and_o retain_v in_o church_n that_o by_o see_v they_o the_o memory_n and_o affection_n of_o the_o beholder_n may_v be_v excite_v towards_o those_o who_o be_v represent_v by_o they_o as_o also_o to_o salute_v and_o give_v a_o honorary_a adoration_n or_o respect_n to_o the_o say_a image_n like_v as_o be_v give_v to_o the_o figure_n of_o the_o holy_a cross_n to_o chalice_n to_o the_o book_n of_o the_o h._n gospel_n and_o such_o like_a sacred_a utensil_n but_o not_o latria_n which_o as_o true_a faith_n teach_v be_v due_a only_a to_o god_n what_o he_o can_v find_v in_o this_o definition_n for_o which_o the_o father_n deserve_v from_o he_o the_o title_n of_o fool_n i_o can_v imagine_v unless_o he_o will_v have_v it_o to_o be_v idolatry_n to_o reverence_v the_o book_n of_o the_o holy_a gospel_n or_o the_o sacred_a utensil_n of_o the_o altar_n but_o in_o this_o the_o council_n be_v vindicate_v by_o eminent_a divine_n of_o
sobriety_n but_o it_o be_v no_o less_o than_o insolency_n and_o madness_n and_o that_o in_o the_o high_a degree_n 118._o say_v st._n austin_n to_o dispute_v whether_o that_o be_v to_o be_v do_v or_o no_o which_o be_v practise_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n through_o the_o world_n as_o this_o custom_n of_o give_v a_o honourary_n respect_n to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n have_v be_v confess_o for_o many_o hundred_o of_o year_n §_o 3._o but_o before_o the_o doctor_n can_v or_o will_v become_v a_o perfect_a proselyte_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n he_o desire_v serious_o it_o seem_v he_o be_v but_o as_o i_o guess_v in_o a_o fit_a of_o droll_v before_o to_o know_v of_o i_o whether_o any_o worship_n do_v at_o all_o belong_v to_o the_o image_n or_o no_o because_o say_v he_o if_o there_o be_v any_o worship_n due_a as_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n say_v there_o be_v to_o the_o image_n either_o it_o be_v the_o same_o that_o be_v give_v to_o the_o prototype_n or_o distinct_a from_o it_o if_o it_o be_v the_o same_o then_o proper_a divine_a worship_n be_v give_v to_o the_o image_n if_o distinct_a than_o the_o image_n be_v worship_v with_o divine_a worship_n for_o itself_o and_o not_o relative_o as_o i_o will_v have_v it_o and_o be_v it_o not_o subtle_o do_v to_o tell_v we_o that_o if_o the_o worship_n give_v to_o a_o image_n be_v distinct_a from_o that_o which_o be_v give_v to_o the_o prototype_n god_n than_o the_o image_n be_v worship_v with_o divine_a worship_n for_o itself_o the_o word_n have_v be_v more_o express_a but_o the_o sense_n have_v be_v the_o same_o have_v he_o say_v if_o a_o image_n be_v not_o worship_v with_o divine_a worship_n than_o it_o be_v worship_v with_o divine_a worship_n for_o the_o worship_n due_a to_o god_n be_v divine_a worship_n and_o that_o which_o be_v distinct_a from_o it_o be_v not_o divine_a worship_n so_o hard_a a_o thing_n it_o be_v for_o one_o who_o intend_v mischief_n to_o meddle_v with_o such_o edge-tool_n as_o school-distinction_n be_v and_o not_o cut_v his_o own_o finger_n and_o this_o be_v 〈◊〉_d first_o time_n my_o adversary_n have_v do_v so_o however_o he_o will_v not_o lay_v they_o down_o yet_o 〈◊〉_d if_o it_o be_v the_o former_a i_o e._n the_o 〈◊〉_d worship_n that_o say_v he_o be_v condemn_v of_o idolatry_n by_o bellarmine_n because_o the_o creature_n be_v equal_o worship_v with_o god_n and_o if_o the_o latter_a i.e._n distinct_a 103._o this_o be_v oppugn_v by_o vasquez_n a_o man_n of_o great_a reputation_n too_o and_o of_o as_o sâ—arching_v a_o wit_n as_o bellarmine_n as_o a_o certain_a kind_n of_o superstition_n or_o idolatry_n because_o man_n express_v submission_n to_o a_o inanimate_a thing_n from_o whence_o he_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v in_o man_n choice_n what_o sort_n of_o idolatry_n they_o will_v commit_v who_o worship_n image_n but_o in_o neither_o way_n can_v they_o avoid_v it_o and_o here_o it_o be_v he_o think_v he_o have_v pinch_v we_o sore_o and_o yet_o will_v not_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o cry_v out_o upon_o himself_o and_o his_o partisan_n for_o their_o insincere_a and_o sophistical_a mix_v the_o dispute_n and_o nicety_n of_o the_o school_n with_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n but_o how_o little_a the_o faith_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n be_v concern_v in_o they_o i_o shall_v let_v the_o reader_n see_v by_o a_o parallel_n example_n in_o a_o passage_n relate_v to_o civil_a worship_n a_o gentleman_n at_o court_n pass_v through_o the_o guard-chamber_n see_v a_o countryman_n there_o engage_v in_o a_o dispute_n with_o three_o or_o four_o of_o the_o yeoman_n the_o clown_n it_o seem_v will_v have_v go_v into_o the_o presence_n cover_v they_o pull_v he_o back_o and_o tell_v he_o when_o he_o go_v into_o that_o room_n he_o must_v pull_v off_o his_o haâ—_n he_o ask_v they_o very_o pert_o to_o who_o or_o to_o what_o for_o he_o see_v nothing_o but_o a_o chair_n and_o a_o canopy_n they_o tell_v he_o it_o be_v the_o king_n chair_n of_o state_n and_o he_o must_v do_v it_o to_o the_o chair_n out_o of_o respect_n to_o the_o king_n the_o countryman_n here_o perhaps_o he_o have_v read_v dr._n st.'s_n argument_n or_o hear_v he_o preach_v it_o for_o such_o kind_n of_o preach_v have_v be_v the_o ground_n of_o that_o part_n of_o quakerism_n begin_v with_o a_o serious_a countenance_n to_o demand_v of_o they_o whether_o any_o worship_n at_o all_o be_v due_a to_o the_o chair_n or_o no_o for_o his_o part_n he_o be_v a_o loyal_a subject_n of_o his_o majesty_n and_o have_v real_o a_o scruple_n in_o the_o case_n for_o if_o any_o worship_n be_v due_a to_o it_o it_o be_v either_o the_o same_o which_o be_v give_v to_o the_o king_n or_o distinct_a from_o it_o if_o the_o same_o then_o proper_a regal_a worship_n will_v be_v give_v to_o something_o beside_o the_o king_n which_o be_v treason_n to_o do_v if_o distinct_a than_o the_o chair_n will_v be_v worship_v with_o regal_a honour_n for_o itself_o and_o not_o relative_o which_o be_v for_o a_o man_n to_o submit_v himself_o to_o a_o piece_n of_o wood_n and_o he_o have_v so_o much_o esteem_v for_o his_o manhood_n that_o he_o will_v not_o debase_v it_o so_o far_o for_o all_o their_o halberd_n here_o the_o yeoman_n of_o the_o guard_n bid_v he_o leave_v his_o quibble_n and_o do_v his_o duty_n which_o he_o refuse_v to_o do_v unless_o they_o will_v satisfy_v his_o scruple_n they_o take_v he_o by_o the_o shoulder_n and_o thrust_v he_o out_o of_o door_n the_o passage_n no_o doubt_n be_v pleasant_a but_o withal_o so_o parallel_v to_o the_o doctor_n proceed_v in_o this_o matter_n that_o i_o can_v but_o serious_o desire_v to_o know_v of_o he_o whether_o he_o judge_v it_o a_o sufficient_a excuse_n for_o the_o clown_n not_o to_o put_v off_o his_o hat_n because_o he_o do_v not_o or_o will_v not_o understand_v what_o kind_n of_o worship_n be_v due_a to_o the_o chair_n or_o to_o put_v the_o example_n in_o a_o thing_n relate_v to_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n of_o which_o i_o shall_v speak_v more_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n whether_o moses_n and_o josue_n may_v have_v refuse_v to_o have_v put_v off_o their_o shoe_n in_o reverence_n to_o the_o ground_n where_o they_o stand_v till_o they_o have_v first_o be_v satisfy_v whether_o it_o be_v the_o same_o worship_n they_o give_v to_o god_n or_o distinct_a from_o it_o that_o they_o do_v lawful_o testify_v their_o reverence_n towards_o the_o ground_n be_v affirm_v by_o himself_o p._n 105._o and_o if_o they_o be_v not_o retard_v from_o do_v it_o by_o the_o doctor_n dilemma_n no_o more_o ought_v christian_n from_o testify_v their_o reverence_n to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n let_v plato_n and_o aristotle_n with_o their_o follower_n wrangle_v as_o much_o as_o they_o will_v about_o the_o manner_n how_o we_o come_v to_o see_v the_o former_a contend_v that_o it_o can_v be_v do_v by_o the_o object_n be_v unite_n itself_o with_o the_o eye_n the_o latter_a assert_v as_o strong_o that_o it_o can_v be_v do_v by_o the_o eye_n be_v send_v forth_o ray_n to_o the_o object_n must_v we_o therefore_o stand_v still_o with_o our_o eye_n shut_v till_o it_o be_v agree_v between_o they_o by_o which_o of_o the_o two_o way_n we_o be_v to_o see_v at_o this_o rate_n we_o must_v neither_o see_v nor_o hear_v nor_o feel_v nor_o move_v till_o it_o be_v accord_v between_o philosopher_n how_o these_o operation_n be_v perform_v which_o will_v be_v never_o let_v the_o schoolman_n than_o dispute_v as_o much_o as_o they_o please_v about_o the_o manner_n how_o honour_n be_v give_v to_o a_o image_n yet_o honest_a nature_n will_v teach_v we_o to_o do_v it_o for_o his_o sake_n who_o be_v represent_v by_o it_o with_o as_o much_o security_n and_o as_o little_a danger_n of_o err_a as_o any_o of_o the_o aforesaid_a operation_n what_o the_o council_n declare_v in_o this_o matter_n and_o to_o they_o it_o be_v the_o doctor_n himself_o confess_v p._n 209._o that_o we_o must_v appeal_v for_o the_o church_n sense_n be_v that_o we_o be_v not_o to_o give_v latria_n the_o worship_n due_a only_o to_o god_n but_o a_o honorary_a respect_n or_o adoration_n to_o holy_a image_n as_o to_o the_o book_n of_o holy_a scripture_n and_o other_o thing_n belong_v to_o god_n §_o 4._o this_o be_v what_o the_o church_n require_v of_o her_o child_n to_o believe_v and_o this_o be_v all_o that_o a_o catholic_n controvertist_n be_v bind_v to_o speak_v to_o nor_o do_v the_o argument_n the_o doctor_n bring_v in_o reality_n deserve_v to_o be_v answer_v otherwise_o than_o zeno_n argument_n against_o motion_n be_v answer_v by_o diogenes_n for_o zeno_n prove_v every_o jot_n as_o subtle_o that_o a_o man_n can_v move_v a_o inch_n
by_o it_o to_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n or_o any_o corporal_a presence_n of_o christ_n natural_a flesh_n and_o blood_n will_v the_o doctor_n be_v so_o unkind_a as_o to_o make_v she_o say_v that_o no_o reverence_n at_o all_o be_v due_a to_o that_o holy_a sacrament_n that_o this_o of_o all_o thing_n in_o the_o world_n ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v object_v against_o they_o what!_o will_v he_o make_v they_o fall_v below_o calvin_n in_o their_o respect_n to_o that_o sacrament_n who_o say_v 17._o it_o be_v to_o be_v receive_v with_o reverence_n as_o the_o pledge_n of_o our_o holy_a union_n with_o christ_n be_v it_o not_o time_n now_o to_o remind_v he_o as_o i_o promise_v above_o p._n 138._o how_o his_o belove_a constantinopolitan_a father_n call_v it_o a_o honourable_a image_n of_o christ_n quicken_a body_n and_o thereupon_o invite_v all_o those_o and_o among_o they_o the_o doctor_n unless_o he_o will_v leave_v himself_o out_o as_o he_o do_v these_o word_n all_o those_o i_o say_v to_o rejoice_v and_o exult_v with_o confidence_n who_o desire_n worship_n and_o offer_v it_o for_o the_o salvation_n both_o of_o soul_n and_o body_n though_o he_o style_v i_o very_o inept_o a_o revolt_a protestant_n yet_o i_o have_v so_o much_o respect_n for_o those_o learned_a person_n who_o make_v that_o rubric_n as_o to_o think_v they_o mean_v by_o adoration_n what_o the_o word_n now_o signify_v by_o use_n in_o english_a that_o be_v divine_a worship_n proper_a to_o god_n alone_o and_o not_o that_o no_o more_o reverence_n shall_v be_v use_v towards_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n in_o the_o church_n than_o there_o be_v to_o the_o remainder_n of_o it_o at_o home_n by_o some_o seem_o revolt_a presbyterian_o i_o can_v believe_v they_o to_o be_v true_o son_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n now_o what_o the_o sense_n of_o that_o church_n be_v and_o still_o be_v unless_o the_o doctor_n will_v have_v we_o suppose_v these_o modern_a divine_n to_o have_v prevaricate_v from_o their_o father_n bishop_n jewel_n tell_v we_o in_o these_o word_n 379._o we_o only_o adore_v christ_n say_v he_o as_o very_o god_n but_o we_o worship_v also_o and_o reverence_n the_o sacrament_n we_o worship_v the_o word_n of_o god_n we_o worship_v all_o other_o like_o thing_n in_o such_o religious_a wise_n to_o christ_n belong_v the_o same_o be_v witness_v by_o bishop_n morton_n 3._o under_o the_o degree_n of_o divine_a worship_n we_o our_o selus_fw-la yield_v as_o much_o to_o the_o eucharist_n as_o st._n austin_n do_v to_o baptism_n where_o he_o say_v epist_n 164._o we_o reverence_v baptism_n wheresoever_o it_o be_v nor_o be_v this_o deliver_v by_o they_o as_o their_o private_a opinion_n but_o as_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o appear_v by_o their_o word_n and_o if_o you_o ask_v how_o they_o can_v excuse_v themselves_o from_o idolatry_n you_o have_v the_o answer_n of_o bishop_n jewel_n 409._o that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v adore_v but_o the_o whole_a honour_n rest_v not_o in_o they_o but_o be_v pass_v over_o from_o they_o to_o the_o thing_n signify_v so_o that_o it_o seem_v i_o be_v not_o much_o miâ—â—â—ken_v when_o to_o parallel_v the_o reverence_n give_v by_o catholic_n to_o image_n i_o instance_a in_o that_o which_o be_v give_v by_o protestant_n to_o the_o sacramental_a sign_n by_o kneel_v at_o the_o eucharist_n for_o they_o do_v not_o only_o allow_v a_o like_a reverence_n but_o maintain_v it_o also_o with_o the_o same_o distinction_n nor_o will_v the_o doctor_n ever_o be_v able_a to_o persuade_v his_o parishioner_n out_o of_o it_o till_o he_o can_v make_v they_o leave_v their_o usual_a expression_n when_o they_o speak_v of_o this_o sacrament_n that_o they_o do_v not_o receive_v it_o as_o bread_n but_o as_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n §_o 6._o the_o 6_o and_o last_o instance_n be_v of_o reverence_n give_v to_o the_o altar_n by_o bow_v to_o it_o a_o practice_n of_o great_a antiquity_n as_o dr._n heylin_n show_v in_o his_o defence_n of_o the_o modern_a practice_n of_o it_o in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n against_o burton_n p._n 25._o this_o dr._n still_o say_v be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o the_o put_n off_o our_o hat_n while_o we_o be_v in_o the_o church_n and_o what_o be_v this_o to_o say_v himself_o admit_v a_o reverence_n to_o holy_a place_n p._n 105._o and_o sure_o the_o church_n the_o house_n of_o god_n be_v one_o of_o they_o here_o than_o we_o find_v he_o incline_v to_o admit_v a_o reverence_n due_a to_o the_o altar_n and_o if_o it_o be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o put_v off_o our_o hat_n while_o we_o be_v in_o the_o church_n as_o he_o do_v the_o one_o so_o he_o may_v lawful_o do_v the_o other_o but_o then_o as_o if_o he_o have_v grant_v too_o much_o he_o present_o draw_v back_o and_o tell_v we_o this_o be_v only_o determine_v a_o natural_a act_n of_o reverence_n that_o way_n which_o the_o ancient_a christian_n do_v use_v to_o direct_v their_o worship_n which_o as_o far_o as_o i_o can_v understand_v the_o word_n be_v not_o of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o put_v off_o our_o hat_n when_o we_o be_v in_o the_o church_n but_o with_o go_v to_o church_n when_o the_o bell_n toll_v which_o be_v to_o give_v no_o more_o reverence_n to_o the_o altar_n than_o to_o the_o bell._n but_o who_o can_v unfold_v the_o riddle_n and_o tell_v i_o what_o he_o mean_v by_o a_o natural_a act_n of_o reverence_n that_o way_n which_o the_o ancient_a christian_n do_v use_v to_o direct_v their_o worship_n if_o he_o mean_v by_o that_o way_n the_o local_a situation_n of_o the_o altar_n in_o the_o east_n which_o be_v the_o way_n the_o ancient_a christian_n use_v to_o direct_v their_o worship_n and_o that_o nature_n teach_v we_o to_o direct_v our_o worship_n that_o way_n although_o the_o altar_n for_o example_n in_o st._n andrew_n may_v serve_v for_o such_o a_o determination_n because_o it_o be_v place_v in_o the_o east_n yet_o he_o must_v give_v another_o reason_n why_o those_o in_o the_o savoy_n bow_n towards_o the_o altar_n where_o it_o be_v seat_v in_o the_o north_n because_o it_o do_v not_o there_o determine_v a_o natural_a act_n of_o reverence_n that_o way_n which_o the_o ancient_a christian_n use_v to_o direct_v their_o worship_n which_o be_v towards_o the_o east_n but_o if_o he_o mean_v by_o that_o way_n a_o like_a manner_n of_o reverence_n to_o the_o altar_n as_o be_v use_v to_o be_v give_v by_o the_o ancient_a christian_n he_o will_v find_v in_o the_o aforecited_a place_n out_o of_o dr._n heylin_n that_o they_o acknowledge_v a_o honour_n and_o veneration_n due_a to_o the_o holy_a altar_n and_o testify_v that_o honour_n by_o bow_v and_o kneel_v to_o it_o in_o fine_a whatever_o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o word_n be_v to_o speak_v to_o the_o practice_n itself_o either_o he_o condemn_v those_o of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n who_o profess_v and_o testify_v their_o reverence_n to_o the_o altar_n by_o bow_v to_o it_o for_o idolatry_n or_o no._n if_o he_o do_v they_o be_v at_o age_n to_o answer_v for_o themselves_o if_o he_o do_v not_o a_o inferior_a or_o relative_n honour_n may_v be_v give_v to_o it_o for_o his_o sake_n who_o throne_n it_o be_v under_o the_o degree_n of_o divine_a worship_n due_a to_o god_n alone_o and_o as_o the_o allow_v this_o will_v render_v he_o a_o true_a son_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n so_o the_o allow_v the_o like_a to_o the_o sacred_a image_n of_o christ_n will_v make_v he_o in_o this_o point_n a_o perfect_a proselyte_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n who_o council_n have_v decree_v that_o we_o be_v not_o to_o give_v to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n latria_n or_o the_o worship_n due_a to_o god_n but_o a_o honorary_a respect_n and_o veneration_n as_o to_o the_o book_n of_o h._n scripture_n and_o other_o holy_a thing_n but_o what_o himself_o may_v just_o fear_v shall_v success_n crown_v his_o endeavour_n in_o put_v scruple_n into_o poor_a simple_a man_n mind_n to_o with_o draw_v they_o from_o the_o reverence_n they_o owe_v to_o the_o sacrament_n of_o christ_n his_o saint_n his_o name_n his_o image_n his_o altar_n and_o such_o like_a holy_a thing_n relate_v to_o his_o worship_n be_v that_o the_o event_n whatever_o the_o design_n be_v of_o his_o labour_n will_v be_v no_o other_o as_o those_o pious_a and_o learned_a doctor_n of_o rheims_n long_o since_o observe_v and_o we_o see_v at_o this_o day_n in_o a_o great_a measure_n fulfil_v than_o to_o inure_v man_n by_o degree_n to_o lose_v all_o honour_n and_o respect_n to_o christ_n himself_o to_o abolish_v all_o true_a religion_n out_o of_o the_o world_n and_o to_o make_v they_o plain_a atheist_n the_o chair_n of_o state_n be_v not_o more_o a_o ornament_n to_o the_o king_n palace_n than_o the_o
as_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o tradition_n or_o christ_n body_n after_o the_o resurrection_n 3._o he_o say_v that_o we_o expose_v faith_n to_o great_a uncertainty_n by_o deny_v to_o man_n the_o use_n of_o their_o judgement_n and_o reason_n as_o to_o matter_n of_o faith_n propose_v by_o a_o church_n that_o be_v we_o deny_v particular_a man_n judgement_n as_o to_o matter_n of_o faith_n to_o be_v as_o good_a if_o not_o better_a than_o the_o church_n and_o to_o infer_v from_o hence_o that_o we_o make_v faith_n uncertain_a be_v just_a as_o if_o on_o the_o contrary_a one_o shall_v say_v that_o protestant_n make_v faith_n certain_a by_o expose_v matter_n of_o faith_n determine_v by_o the_o church_n to_o be_v discuss_v and_o reverse_v by_o the_o judgement_n and_o reason_n or_o rather_o fancy_n of_o every_o private_a man._n we_o have_v good_a store_n of_o this_o kind_n of_o certainty_n in_o england_n but_o as_o for_o the_o use_n of_o our_o judgement_n and_o reason_n as_o to_o the_o matter_n themselves_o propose_v by_o the_o church_n it_o be_v the_o daily_a business_n of_o divine_n and_o preacher_n not_o only_o to_o show_v they_o not_o to_o be_v repugnant_a to_o any_o natural_a truth_n but_o also_o to_o illustrate_v they_o with_o argument_n draw_v from_o reason_n but_o the_o use_n he_o will_v have_v of_o reason_n be_v i_o suppose_v to_o believe_v nothing_o but_o what_o his_o reason_n can_v comprehend_v and_o this_o be_v not_o only_o irrational_a in_o its_o self_n but_o contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o st._n paul_n where_o he_o command_v we_o to_o captivate_v our_o understanding_n to_o the_o obedience_n of_o faith_n 4._o he_o add_v we_o expose_v faith_n to_o uncertainty_n by_o make_v the_o church_n power_n extend_v to_o make_v new_a article_n of_o faith_n and_o this_o if_o it_o be_v true_a be_v something_o indeed_o to_o his_o purpose_n but_o the_o church_n never_o yet_o own_v any_o such_o power_n in_o her_o general_n council_n but_o only_o to_o manifest_v and_o establish_v the_o doctrine_n receive_v from_o her_o forefather_n as_o be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o the_o prooem_n of_o all_o the_o session_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n where_o the_o father_n before_o they_o declare_v what_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v ever_o premise_v that_o what_o they_o declare_v be_v the_o same_o they_o have_v receive_v by_o tradition_n from_o the_o apostle_n and_o because_o it_o may_v happen_v that_o some_o particular_a doctrine_n be_v not_o so_o plain_o deliver_v to_o each_o part_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o happen_v in_o st._n cyprian_n case_n concern_v the_o non-rebaptization_a of_o heretic_n we_o acknowledge_v it_o be_v in_o her_o power_n to_o make_v that_o necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v which_o be_v not_o so_o before_o not_o by_o invent_v new_a article_n but_o by_o declare_v more_o explicit_o the_o truth_n contain_v in_o scripture_n and_o tradition_n last_o he_o say_v we_o expose_v faith_n to_o great_a uncertainty_n because_o the_o church_n pretend_v to_o infallibility_n do_v not_o determine_v controversy_n on_o foot_n among_o ourselves_o as_o if_o faith_n can_v not_o be_v certain_a unless_o all_o controversy_n among_o particular_a man_n be_v determine_v what_o then_o become_v of_o the_o certainty_n of_o protestant_n faith_n who_o can_v yet_o never_o find_v out_o a_o sufficient_a mean_n to_o determine_v any_o one_o controversy_n among_o they_o for_o if_o that_o mean_n be_v plain_a scripture_n what_o one_o judge_v plain_a another_o judge_v not_o so_o and_o they_o acknowledge_v no_o judge_n between_o they_o to_o decide_v the_o controversy_n as_o for_o the_o catholic_n church_n if_o any_o controversy_n arise_v concern_v the_o doctrine_n deliver_v as_o in_o st._n cyprian_n case_n she_o determine_v the_o controversy_n by_o declare_v what_o be_v of_o faith_n and_o for_o other_o controversy_n which_o belong_v not_o to_o faith_n she_o permit_v as_o st._n paul_n say_v every_o one_o to_o abound_v in_o his_o own_o sense_n and_o thus_o much_o in_o answer_n to_o his_o three_o argument_n by_o which_o and_o what_o have_v be_v say_v to_o his_o former_a objection_n it_o appear_v that_o he_o have_v not_o at_o all_o prove_v what_o he_o assert_v in_o his_o second_o answer_n to_o the_o first_o question_n viz._n that_o all_o those_o who_o be_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v run_v so_o great_a a_o hazard_n of_o their_o salvation_n that_o none_o who_o have_v a_o care_n of_o their_o soul_n ought_v to_o embrace_v or_o continue_v in_o it_o but_o he_o have_v a_o three_o answer_n for_o we_o in_o case_n the_o former_a fail_n and_o it_o be_v §_o 10._o that_o a_o protestant_a leave_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o protestant_a church_n do_v incur_v a_o great_a guilt_n than_o one_o who_o be_v breed_v up_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o continue_v therein_o by_o invincible_a ignorance_n this_o be_v the_o direct_v answer_n he_o give_v to_o the_o question_n and_o what_o it_o import_v be_v this_o that_o invincible_a ignorance_n and_o he_o do_v not_o know_v what_o allowance_n god_n will_v make_v for_o that_o neither_o be_v the_o only_a anchor_n which_o a_o catholic_n have_v to_o save_v himself_o by_o if_o by_o discourse_v with_o protestant_n and_o read_v their_o book_n he_o be_v not_o sufficient_o convince_v whereas_o he_o ought_v in_o the_o supposition_n of_o the_o answerer_n to_o be_v so_o that_o the_o letter_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o interpretable_a by_o every_o private_a man_n reason_n be_v a_o most_o certain_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o life_n but_o be_v still_o overrule_v by_o his_o own_o motive_n the_o same_o which_o hold_v st._n austin_n in_o the_o bosom_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n he_o be_v guilty_a of_o wilful_a ignorance_n and_o consequent_o a_o lose_a man_n there_o be_v no_o hope_n of_o salvation_n for_o he_o much_o less_o for_o a_o protestant_n who_o shall_v embrace_v the_o catholic_n communion_n because_o he_o be_v suppose_v doubtless_o from_o the_o same_o rule_n to_o have_v sufficient_a conviction_n of_o the_o error_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n or_o be_v guilty_a of_o wilful_a ignorance_n if_o he_o have_v it_o not_o which_o be_v a_o damnable_a sin_n and_o unrepented_a of_o destroy_v salvation_n so_o that_o now_o the_o upshot_n of_o the_o answer_n to_o the_o question_n whether_o a_o protestant_a embrace_v catholic_n religion_n upon_o the_o same_o motive_n which_o one_o breed_v and_o well_o ground_v in_o it_o have_v to_o remain_v in_o it_o may_v be_v equal_o save_v with_o he_o come_v to_o this_o that_o they_o shall_v both_o be_v damn_v though_o unequal_o because_o the_o convert_a catholic_n more_o deep_o than_o he_o that_o be_v breed_v so_o and_o now_o who_o can_v out_o lament_v the_o sad_a condition_n of_o that_o great_a doctor_n and_o father_n of_o the_o church_n and_o hitherto_o repute_v st._n austin_n who_o reject_v the_o manichee_n pretend_v rule_v of_o scripture_n upon_o the_o aforesaid_a ground_n leave_v their_o communion_n to_o embrace_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o what_o be_v become_v now_o of_o their_o distinction_n of_o point_n fundamental_a from_o not_o fundamental_a which_o heretofore_o they_o think_v sufficient_a to_o secure_v both_o catholic_n and_o protestant_n salvation_n and_o to_o charge_v we_o with_o unconscionable_a uncharitableness_n in_o not_o allow_v they_o to_o be_v sharer_n with_o we_o the_o absurdness_n of_o these_o consequence_n may_v serve_v for_o a_o sufficient_a conviction_n of_o the_o nullity_n of_o his_o three_o and_o last_o answer_n to_o the_o first_o question_n as_o for_o what_o he_o say_v to_o the_o second_o i_o agree_v so_o far_o with_o he_o that_o every_o christian_n be_v bind_v to_o choose_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o pure_a church_n but_o which_o that_o church_n be_v must_v be_v see_v by_o the_o ground_n it_o bring_v to_o prove_v the_o doctrine_n it_o teach_v to_o have_v be_v deliver_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n that_o church_n be_v to_o be_v judge_v pure_a which_o have_v the_o best_a ground_n and_o consequent_o it_o be_v of_o necessity_n to_o salvation_n to_o embrace_v the_o communion_n of_o it_o what_o then_o you_o be_v bind_v to_o do_v in_o reason_n and_o conscience_n be_v to_o see_v which_o religion_n of_o the_o two_o have_v the_o strong_a motive_n for_o it_o and_o to_o embrace_v that_o as_o you_o will_v answer_v the_o contrary_a to_o god_n and_o your_o own_o soul_n to_o help_v you_o to_o do_v this_o and_o that_o the_o answerer_n may_v have_v the_o less_o exception_n against_o they_o i_o will_v give_v you_o a_o catalogue_n of_o catholic_n motive_n though_o not_o all_o neither_o in_o the_o word_n of_o the_o forecited_n dr._n taylor_n advertise_v only_o for_o brevity_n sake_n i_o leave_v out_o some_o mention_v by_o he_o and_o that_o in_o these_o i_o set_v down_o you_o also_o give_v allowance_n for_o some_o expression_n of_o he_o with_o which_o
2._o how_o vain_a and_o groundless_a to_o say_v no_o more_o this_o assertion_n of_o he_o be_v i_o have_v already_o show_v in_o the_o forego_n chapter_n which_o may_v serve_v for_o a_o full_a and_o just_a refutation_n of_o all_o he_o bring_v to_o justify_v his_o charge_n of_o idolatry_n not_o only_o in_o this_o matter_n of_o veneration_n of_o image_n but_o also_o of_o the_o adoration_n of_o the_o b._n sacrament_n and_o invocation_n of_o saint_n in_o regard_n none_o of_o the_o contrary_a tenet_n be_v with_o he_o article_n of_o faith_n nay_o he_o profess_v himself_o not_o oblige_v to_o give_v any_o interior_a assent_n to_o they_o so_o much_o as_o to_o inferior_a truth_n or_o pious_a opinion_n but_o lest_o he_o shall_v take_v this_o compendious_a way_n of_o refute_v by_o bring_v thing_n to_o ground_n and_o principle_n for_o none_o at_o all_o as_o his_o very-well-assured_n friend_n dr._n tillotson_n do_v with_o my_o demonstrate_v friend_n as_o he_o call_v he_o mr._n j._n s._n after_o two_o book_n set_v forth_o by_o he_o in_o answer_n to_o his_o rule_n of_o faith_n viz._n his_o letter_n of_o thanks_o and_o faith_n vindicate_v to_o remove_v i_o say_v the_o very_a temptation_n of_o any_o suchlike_a vapour_a pretence_n from_o my_o adversary_n i_o shall_v take_v the_o pain_n to_o examine_v and_o answer_v with_o as_o much_o brevity_n as_o his_o prolixity_n will_v permit_v the_o particular_a argument_n with_o which_o he_o endeavour_v to_o underprop_v his_o totter_a because_o groundless_a charge_n of_o idolatry_n §_o 3._o in_o order_n hereunto_o i_o shall_v first_o set_v down_o what_o it_o be_v that_o the_o catholic_n church_n teach_v concern_v the_o veneration_n of_o image_n and_o thus_o it_o stand_v record_v in_o the_o last_o general_n council_n at_o trent_n conc._n trident._n sess_z 25._o viz._n that_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n mother_n of_o god_n and_o of_o other_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v keep_v and_o reserve_v especial_o in_o church_n and_o due_a honour_n and_o veneration_n to_o be_v give_v to_o they_o not_o for_o that_o any_o divinity_n or_o virtue_n be_v believe_v to_o be_v in_o they_o or_o that_o any_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v ask_v of_o they_o or_o any_o confidence_n to_o be_v place_v in_o they_o as_o be_v ancient_o do_v by_o the_o heathen_n who_o put_v their_o trust_n in_o idol_n but_o because_o the_o honour_n which_o be_v exhibit_v to_o the_o image_n be_v refer_v to_o the_o prototype_n or_o thing_n represent_v by_o they_o so_o that_o by_o the_o image_n which_o we_o kiss_v and_o before_o which_o we_o kneel_v or_o put_v off_o our_o hat_n we_o adore_v christ_n and_o reverence_v his_o saint_n who_o the_o say_v image_n represent_v this_o be_v what_o the_o council_n teach_v and_o the_o import_n of_o it_o be_v that_o we_o may_v lawful_o and_o therefore_o ought_v upon_o occasion_n to_o put_v off_o our_o hat_n or_o kneel_v before_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n with_o intent_n thereby_o to_o adore_v he_o and_o reverence_v they_o and_o this_o be_v what_o the_o council_n call_v most_o conformable_o to_o the_o light_n of_o nature_n and_o religion_n the_o give_v of_o due_a honour_n and_o veneration_n to_o image_n but_o dr._n still_o most_o repugnant_o to_o both_o idolatry_n §_o 4_o to_o maintain_v this_o charge_n he_o lay_v down_o a_o proposition_n which_o i_o say_v imply_v a_o contradiction_n viz._n that_o in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n by_o image_n the_o worship_n due_a to_o god_n be_v terminate_v whole_o on_o the_o creature_n for_o what_o great_a contradiction_n than_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o be_v terminate_v whole_o on_o the_o creature_n what_o he_o bring_v in_o his_o excuse_n p._n 57_o be_v a_o pretence_n that_o god_n have_v forbid_v it_o under_o the_o notion_n of_o idolatry_n and_o that_o the_o worship_n which_o god_n call_v by_o the_o name_n of_o idolatry_n and_o its_o be_v terminate_v whole_o on_o the_o creature_n be_v but_o the_o sâ—me_a thing_n in_o other_o word_n and_o what_o be_v this_o in_o effect_n but_o to_o tell_v we_o first_o that_o it_o be_v idolatry_n because_o it_o be_v whole_o terminate_v on_o the_o creature_n and_o then_o again_o that_o it_o be_v whole_o terminate_v on_o the_o creature_n because_o it_o be_v idolatry_n a_o very_a proper_a deâ—ence_n for_o such_o a_o cause_n and_o from_o hence_o dâ—_n tillotson_n may_v note_v that_o the_o use_n of_o identical_a proposition_n be_v not_o so_o despicable_a and_o ridiculous_a as_o he_o will_v make_v it_o but_o rather_o the_o most_o expedite_a way_n for_o dr._n st._n to_o reconcile_v the_o term_n of_o the_o great_a contradiction_n but_o to_o the_o matter_n itself_o i_o shall_v speak_v more_o anon_o let_v we_o now_o see_v how_o he_o prove_v this_o main_a proposition_n viz._n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n by_o image_n the_o worship_n have_v to_o god_n be_v terminate_v whole_o on_o the_o creature_n the_o worship_n say_v he_o p._n 4._o which_o god_n himself_o deny_v to_o receive_v must_v be_v terminate_v on_o the_o creature_n but_o god_n himself_o in_o the_o second_o commandment_n not_o only_o deny_v to_o receive_v it_o but_o threaten_v severe_o to_o punish_v they_o that_o give_v it_o therefore_o it_o can_v be_v terminate_v on_o god_n but_o only_o on_o the_o image_n §_o 5._o this_o be_v the_o terrible_a argument_n by_o virtue_n of_o which_o he_o pass_v the_o sentence_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n upon_o all_o those_o who_o be_v of_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n if_o they_o repent_v not_o of_o their_o adore_a christ_n by_o put_v off_o their_o hat_n or_o kneel_v before_o his_o image_n and_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v with_o what_o justice_n and_o charity_n he_o do_v it_o before_o i_o proceed_v to_o examine_v particular_n i_o shall_v convene_v his_o own_o conscience_n to_o declare_v to_o the_o world_n what_o kind_n of_o argument_n he_o judge_v this_o to_o be_v if_o only_o topical_a or_o probable_a what_o answer_n will_v he_o give_v to_o the_o great_a judge_n at_o the_o dreadful_a day_n of_o judgement_n for_o positive_o condemn_v his_o spouse_n the_o church_n for_o a_o adulteress_n upon_o a_o account_n which_o himself_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v inevident_a and_o uncertain_a i_o believe_v himself_o will_v condemn_v that_o person_n for_o unjust_a and_o uncharitable_a who_o shall_v positive_o charge_v the_o mean_a man_n wife_n of_o adultery_n upon_o the_o like_a account_n if_o he_o judge_v it_o a_o demonstration_n which_o i_o can_v easy_o believe_v he_o seem_v to_o have_v take_v such_o a_o pique_n against_o the_o demonstrate_v way_n than_o the_o premise_n must_v be_v evident_o and_o certain_o true_a and_o the_o conclusion_n in_o virtue_n of_o they_o impossible_a to_o be_v false_a and_o consequent_o he_o must_v have_v great_a certainty_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v idolatrous_a than_o he_o have_v if_o he_o be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n with_o his_o friend_n dr._n tillotson_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n or_o of_o the_o sense_n of_o any_o text_n of_o it_o for_o example_n that_o christ_n be_v god_n for_o the_o say_a doctor_n lay_v this_o down_o for_o his_o fundamental_a position_n in_o his_o rule_n of_o faith_n p._n 118._o and_o affirm_v it_o express_o of_o the_o book_n of_o scripture_n in_o the_o preface_n to_o his_o sermon_n that_o we_o be_v not_o infallible_o certain_a either_o that_o any_o book_n be_v so_o ancient_a as_o it_o pretend_v to_o be_v or_o that_o it_o be_v write_v by_o he_o who_o name_n it_o bear_v or_o that_o this_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o such_o and_o such_o passage_n in_o it_o it_o be_v possible_a all_o this_o may_v be_v otherwise_o from_o whence_o i_o infer_v yet_o far_o that_o if_o we_o be_v not_o sure_a of_o the_o sense_n of_o any_o text_n of_o scripture_n but_o possible_o it_o may_v be_v false_a himself_o be_v not_o sure_a that_o god_n have_v forbid_v the_o worship_v himself_o by_o image_n in_o the_o second_o commandment_n and_o therefore_o can_v judge_v his_o own_o argument_n to_o be_v a_o demonstration_n nor_o consequent_o evidence_n sufficient_a to_o make_v out_o his_o charge_n of_o idolatry_n but_o to_o come_v now_o to_o particular_n §_o 5._o the_o worship_n say_v he_o which_o god_n himself_o deny_v to_o receive_v must_v be_v terminate_v on_o the_o creature_n and_o that_o whole_o and_o only_o on_o the_o creature_n as_o he_o express_v it_o in_o the_o context_n of_o his_o discourse_n this_o be_v the_o major_a proposition_n of_o his_o syllogism_n and_o if_o this_o fail_v the_o charge_n he_o build_v upon_o it_o must_v needs_o fall_v i_o assert_v it_o in_o my_o reply_n to_o be_v absolute_o false_a as_o build_v upon_o a_o mistake_n of_o the_o nature_n of_o humane_a act_n which_o though_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v
be_v engage_v in_o it_o yet_o it_o be_v certain_a they_o reclaim_v against_o their_o proceed_n and_o if_o the_o father_n at_o francford_n persist_v in_o their_o mistake_n what_o wonder_v if_o the_o historian_n of_o that_o time_n who_o favour_v they_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o it_o or_o if_o the_o english_a historian_n run_v into_o the_o same_o error_n as_o it_o be_v manifest_a they_o do_v by_o what_o hoveden_n report_v 792._o that_o the_o english_a bishop_n believe_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a to_o be_v that_o adoration_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o image_n which_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n abhor_v that_o the_o author_n of_o the_o caroline_n book_n and_o agobardus_n after_o he_o do_v not_o content_v themselves_o with_o what_o the_o council_n of_o francford_n have_v condemn_v viz._n that_o worship_n be_v not_o to_o be_v give_v to_o image_n as_o to_o the_o holy_a trinity_n but_o deny_v any_o veneration_n at_o all_o to_o be_v due_a to_o they_o as_o the_o doctor_n will_v have_v it_o hinder_v not_o but_o that_o the_o council_n of_o francford_n condemn_v that_o of_o nice_a upon_o a_o misunderstanding_n of_o its_o doctrine_n as_o i_o have_v evident_o show_v §_o 3._o second_o but_o now_o suppose_v there_o have_v be_v no_o mistake_n but_o that_o the_o father_n at_o francford_n as_o my_o adversary_n will_v have_v it_o have_v real_o condemn_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a yet_o i_o affirm_v it_o have_v be_v no_o advantage_n to_o his_o cause_n because_o as_o himself_o p._n 84._o say_v the_o pope_n of_o rome_n side_v with_o the_o worshipper_n of_o image_n that_o be_v confirm_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a whereas_o they_o oppose_v and_o reject_v the_o condemnation_n of_o it_o by_o the_o father_n of_o francford_n that_o the_o pope_n legate_n contradict_v it_o in_o the_o synod_n 9_o be_v confess_v by_o the_o magdeburgenses_n and_o that_o the_o pope_n himself_o oppose_v it_o be_v manifest_a from_o the_o confutation_n he_o write_v of_o the_o caroline_n book_n and_o that_o no_o decree_n of_o any_o council_n can_v be_v valid_a without_o the_o pope_n consent_n be_v so_o undoubted_a a_o thing_n among_o all_o christian_n that_o the_o author_n himself_o of_o that_o book_n dare_v not_o deny_v it_o but_o on_o the_o contrary_n affirm_v it_o to_o have_v be_v the_o sense_n even_o of_o the_o father_n of_o francford_n as_o acknowledge_v and_o profess_v the_o last_o judgement_n of_o controversy_n to_o belong_v to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o upon_o this_o account_n they_o affirm_v the_o council_n of_o nice_a be_v to_o be_v reject_v 794._o viz._n for_o that_o it_o have_v not_o be_v confirm_v as_o they_o pretend_v though_o false_o by_o the_o pope_n and_o if_o the_o father_n of_o francford_n look_v upon_o it_o then_o as_o a_o advantage_n to_o their_o cause_n that_o the_o pope_n as_o they_o pretend_v have_v not_o side_v with_o the_o worshipper_n of_o image_n that_o be_v with_o the_o nicen_n father_n how_o come_v the_o doctor_n to_o look_v upon_o it_o now_o as_o so_o apparent_a a_o advantage_n to_o the_o same_o cause_n that_o the_o pope_n as_o he_o confess_v side_v with_o they_o what_o i_o can_v discover_v here_o be_v nothing_o but_o a_o great_a improvement_n of_o confidence_n to_o allege_v that_o for_o a_o advantage_n which_o in_o church-affair_n be_v the_o great_a prejudice_n upon_o earth_n but_o if_o the_o pope_n confirm_v the_o council_n of_o nice_a be_v no_o advantage_n to_o his_o cause_n as_o little_a be_v it_o that_o the_o council_n at_o francford_n deny_v it_o to_o be_v ecumenical_a because_o the_o greek_n only_o be_v there_o present_a and_o none_o of_o the_o other_o province_n be_v call_v for_o what_o weight_n soever_o the_o doctor_n may_v conceive_v that_o exception_n to_o have_v carry_v at_o that_o time_n yet_o it_o be_v certain_a now_o it_o have_v no_o force_n at_o all_o since_o the_o council_n itself_o have_v for_o many_o hundred_o of_o year_n be_v accept_v as_o a_o true_a and_o lawful_a general_n council_n and_o its_o doctrine_n as_o catholic_n by_o all_o the_o province_n of_o christendom_n and_o the_o contrary_a to_o it_o condemn_v for_o heresy_n and_o this_o be_v no_o other_o 〈◊〉_d what_o mr._n thorndike_n answer_v to_o two_o objection_n urge_v from_o st._n epiphanius_n and_o the_o council_n of_o elvira_n 19_o that_o grant_v they_o hold_v all_o image_n in_o church_n dangerous_a for_o idolatry_n of_o which_o say_v he_o there_o be_v appearance_n it_o be_v manifest_a they_o be_v afterward_o admit_v all_o over_o from_o whence_o it_o follow_v that_o what_o dr._n st._n argue_v from_o the_o synod_n of_o paris_n under_o ludovicus_n pius_n which_o be_v indeed_o but_o a_o conference_n of_o some_o learned_a man_n condemn_v pope_n adrian_n for_o a_o superstitious_a adoration_n of_o image_n 825._o from_o the_o doctrine_n also_o of_o the_o author_n of_o the_o caroline_n book_n and_o that_o of_o agobardus_n which_o baluzius_n say_v he_o confess_v to_o be_v no_o more_o than_o the_o whole_a gallican_n church_n believe_v in_o that_o age_n be_v no_o advantage_n at_o all_o to_o his_o cause_n because_o in_o supposition_n that_o they_o then_o do_v look_v upon_o the_o very_a true_a doctrine_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a as_o dangerous_a and_o impugn_v it_o as_o such_o by_o reason_n of_o a_o very_a evil_a superstition_n the_o same_o baluzius_n say_v have_v possess_v the_o mind_n of_o some_o person_n in_o that_o age_n viz._n that_o the_o same_o worship_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o image_n as_o to_o the_o bless_a trinity_n yet_o afterward_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o say_v nicene_n council_n prevail_v all_o over_o and_o be_v receive_v as_o a_o apostolical_a tradition_n by_o the_o gallican_n church_n itself_o like_v as_o the_o doctrine_n of_o non-rebaptization_a of_o heretic_n wâ—s_v receive_v in_o the_o african_a church_n although_o it_o have_v be_v condemn_v there_o before_o in_o a_o council_n by_o st._n cyprian_n but_o upon_o a_o diligent_a survey_n of_o baluzius_n his_o discourse_n in_o that_o place_n 88_o i_o do_v not_o perceive_v his_o meaning_n to_o be_v what_o the_o doctor_n will_v have_v it_o viz._n that_o what_o agobardus_n write_v be_v the_o belief_n of_o the_o whole_a gallican_n church_n in_o that_o age_n but_o that_o it_o be_v the_o judgement_n and_o design_n of_o the_o french_a bishop_n at_o that_o time_n to_o extirpate_v by_o all_o mean_v the_o abovementioned_a superstition_n which_o then_o reign_v although_o in_o do_v it_o they_o may_v seem_v to_o run_v into_o the_o other_o extreme_a of_o deny_v any_o worship_n at_o all_o to_o be_v due_a to_o image_n all_o the_o whole_a business_n of_o the_o use_n of_o image_n be_v as_o the_o author_n of_o the_o account_n very_o well_o observe_v p._n 18_o but_o a_o matter_n of_o discipline_n and_o government_n for_o have_v he_o mean_v that_o what_o agobardus_n write_v be_v no_o more_o than_o the_o whole_a gallican_n church_n believe_v in_o that_o age_n how_o can_v the_o same_o baluzius_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o french_a bishop_n at_o that_o time_n although_o they_o seem_v to_o remove_v all_o worship_n from_o image_n yet_o allow_v they_o to_o be_v keep_v that_o the_o faithful_a by_o see_v they_o may_v be_v excite_v to_o imitate_v those_o holy_a person_n they_o represent_v agob_n whereas_o agobardus_n go_v so_o far_o as_o to_o affirm_v that_o they_o be_v keep_v for_o ornament_n to_o delight_v the_o eye_n but_o not_o for_o the_o instruction_n of_o the_o people_n nay_o that_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v paint_v upon_o the_o church-wall_n be_v this_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o gallican_n church_n in_o that_o age_n when_o ionas_n aurelianensis_fw-la waâ—_n command_v by_o ludovicus_n piusâ—o_v â—o_z 〈◊〉_d against_o claudius_n â—aurinensis_fw-la for_o cast_v they_o out_o of_o the_o church_n sure_o the_o little_a care_n there_o be_v take_v to_o preserve_v the_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o eranâ—ford_n against_o image-worship_n or_o â—ather_o the_o unanimous_a concurrence_n to_o suppress_v it_o if_o there_o be_v ever_o any_o such_o canon_n for_o it_o lay_v in_o obscurity_n for_o above_o seven_o hundred_o year_n together_o till_o it_o be_v publish_v as_o my_o adversary_n say_v about_o the_o middle_n of_o the_o last_o century_n by_o du_n tillet_n as_o also_o the_o prevalency_n of_o the_o contrary_a belief_n in_o the_o gallican_n church_n as_o it_o be_v at_o this_o day_n without_o any_o noise_n or_o opposition_n be_v no_o great_a presumption_n to_o man_n who_o have_v any_o insight_n into_o the_o affair_n of_o religion_n that_o the_o say_a church_n in_o that_o age_n believe_v as_o dr._n st._n will_v have_v we_o believe_v from_o the_o confession_n of_o baluzius_n that_o no_o veneration_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o holy_a image_n it_o be_v upon_o the_o contrary_a supposition_n that_o baluzius_n endeavour_n to_o excuse_n agobardus_n
here_o by_o the_o doctor_n he_o affirm_v 1._o that_o that_o service_n which_o be_v give_v by_o servant_n to_o their_o master_n be_v wont_a to_o be_v call_v by_o another_o name_n in_o greek_a that_o be_v dulia_fw-la but_o this_o the_o reader_n be_v not_o to_o know_v for_o fear_v he_o may_v infer_v that_o if_o some_o degree_n of_o the_o service_n call_v in_o greek_a dulia_n may_v be_v give_v by_o servant_n to_o their_o master_n then_o sure_o a_o high_a degree_n of_o it_o may_v be_v give_v to_o the_o holy_a angel_n §_o 4._o but_o now_o after_o all_o these_o endeavour_n use_v by_o the_o doctor_n to_o hide_v himself_o in_o the_o general_a term_n of_o such_o worship_n religious_a worship_n prayer_n invocation_n etc._n etc._n and_o some_o obscure_a passage_n of_o the_o father_n he_o tell_v we_o that_o he_o know_v very_o well_o and_o i_o pray_v god_n his_o own_o knowledge_n may_v not_o rise_v against_o he_o in_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n by_o what_o art_n all_o these_o testimony_n be_v endeavour_v to_o be_v evade_v or_o rather_o by_o what_o light_n he_o will_v be_v discover_v to_o have_v say_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n viz._n that_o these_o say_n of_o the_o father_n be_v intend_v against_o the_o heathen_n idolatry_n who_o worship_v those_o spirit_n as_o god_n and_o offer_v sacrifice_n to_o they_o but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n denieâ—_n the_o angel_n and_o saint_n to_o be_v god_n and_o assert_n that_o the_o worship_n by_o sacrifice_n be_v proper_a only_o to_o god_n this_o answer_n be_v indeed_o give_v by_o st._n austin_n very_o often_o and_o other_o of_o the_o father_n and_o there_o need_v no_o other_o to_o the_o testimony_n he_o produce_v if_o all_o who_o read_v his_o book_n know_v as_o much_o as_o himself_o but_o such_o device_n as_o these_o for_o so_o he_o call_v they_o though_o prove_v to_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o father_n out_o of_o the_o very_a place_n cite_v by_o he_o he_o say_v can_v never_o satisfy_v a_o impartial_a mind_n and_o to_o return_v he_o his_o own_o word_n in_o a_o like_a occasion_n i_o must_v tell_v he_o that_o if_o ever_o he_o speak_v home_o to_o our_o case_n he_o must_v do_v it_o upon_o this_o point_n and_o so_o he_o do_v but_o very_o little_a to_o his_o comfort_n as_o i_o shall_v make_v appear_v by_o show_v the_o nullity_n of_o the_o reason_n with_o which_o he_o endeavour_v to_o make_v the_o aforesaid_a answer_n seem_v insufficient_a 1._o the_o first_o be_v because_o the_o father_n he_o say_v p._n 158._o do_v express_o deny_v that_o invocation_n or_o prayer_n be_v to_o be_v make_v to_o the_o angel_n and_o saint_n but_o this_o be_v but_o to_o say_v the_o same_o thing_n over_o again_o or_o to_o equivocate_v as_o mr._n thorndike_n say_v in_o the_o term_n of_o prayer_n and_o invocation_n which_o be_v not_o so_o proper_a to_o god_n but_o that_o in_o despite_n of_o our_o heart_n they_o may_v be_v use_v in_o signify_v request_n make_v also_o to_o men._n 2._o his_o second_o reason_n be_v because_o it_o will_v be_v no_o more_o unlawful_a to_o sacrifice_v to_o saint_n or_o angel_n than_o to_o invocate_v they_o and_o this_o reason_n clear_o destroy_v itself_o because_o it_o suppose_v we_o hold_v it_o unlawful_a to_o sacrifice_v to_o the_o saint_n as_o the_o heathen_n do_v to_o their_o inferior_a deity_n but_o to_o let_v that_o pass_v with_o the_o rest_n if_o he_o take_v the_o word_n invocation_n here_o to_o signify_v the_o prayer_n we_o make_v to_o god_n as_o the_o author_n and_o giver_n of_o all_o good_a i_o grant_v it_o no_o less_o unlawful_a to_o sacrifice_v to_o saint_n and_o angel_n than_o to_o invocate_v they_o for_o what_o catholic_n ever_o teach_v or_o think_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o invocate_v any_o angel_n or_o saint_n upon_o that_o account_n but_o if_o the_o word_n invocation_n on_o the_o one_o side_n as_o in_o despite_n of_o all_o opposition_n it_o may_v be_v and_o by_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n it_o be_v use_v be_v take_v to_o signify_v the_o request_n we_o make_v to_o angel_n and_o saint_n to_o pray_v for_o we_o and_o on_o the_o other_o side_n the_o offering_n of_o sacrifice_n be_v not_o only_o by_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n but_o of_o all_o mankind_n as_o st._n austin_n teach_v appropriate_v to_o signify_v the_o absolute_a worship_n due_a only_o to_o god_n 4._o who_o see_v not_o the_o unlawfulness_n of_o offer_v it_o to_o any_o saint_n or_o angel_n may_v consist_v with_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o desire_v they_o to_o pray_v for_o we_o the_o case_n be_v plain_a in_o just_a man_n upon_o earth_n for_o st._n paul_n and_o barnabas_n accept_v willing_o the_o prayer_n which_o other_o make_v to_o they_o for_o their_o assistance_n but_o utter_o refuse_v to_o admit_v the_o sacrifice_n which_o the_o lycaonian_o act_n 14._o will_v have_v offer_v to_o they_o and_o it_o be_v as_o plain_a of_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n because_o we_o pray_v no_o otherwise_o to_o they_o than_o we_o do_v to_o holy_a man_n upon_o earth_n though_o more_o devout_o upon_o the_o account_n of_o their_o unchangeable_a state_n of_o bliss_n how_o then_o can_v the_o doctor_n parallel_v these_o two_o together_o and_o not_o only_o parallel_v they_o but_o make_v it_o less_o unlawful_a to_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n than_o to_o offer_v sacrifice_n to_o they_o i_o will_v tell_v you_o catholic_n when_o they_o write_v against_o infidel_n or_o heretic_n make_v use_n of_o the_o answer_n which_o the_o father_n have_v former_o give_v to_o their_o objection_n but_o dr._n st._n be_v to_o oppose_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o the_o point_n of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v forâ—ed_v to_o maintain_v a_o argument_n of_o the_o heathen_n against_o st._n austin_n nay_o say_v he_o p._n 158._o the_o heathen_n in_o st._n austin_n argue_v very_o well_o that_o sacrifice_n be_v mere_a external_a thing_n 19_o may_v more_o proper_o belong_v to_o the_o inferior_a deity_n but_o the_o more_o invisible_a the_o deity_n be_v the_o more_o invisible_a the_o sacrifice_n be_v to_o be_v and_o the_o great_a and_o better_a the_o deity_n the_o sacrifice_n be_v to_o be_v still_o proportionable_a thus_o the_o doctor_n to_o show_v that_o in_o all_o reason_n the_o duty_n of_o prayer_n ought_v to_o be_v reserve_v as_o more_o proper_a to_o god_n than_o any_o external_n sacrifice_n or_o as_o he_o vary_v the_o phrase_n than_o a_o mere_a outward_a sacrifice_n and_o consequent_o that_o prayer_n be_v less_o communicable_a to_o a_o saint_n than_o sacrifice_n but_o do_v you_o not_o think_v the_o doctor_n use_v the_o utmost_a of_o his_o confidence_n here_o to_o own_o and_o maintain_v for_o good_a nay_o very_a good_a a_o argument_n of_o the_o heathen_n confute_v by_o st._n austin_n in_o that_o very_a place_n the_o heathen_a say_v dr._n st._n argue_v very_o well_o i_o deny_v it_o say_v st._n austin_n because_o in_o so_o argue_v they_o manifest_v that_o they_o do_v not_o know_v nesciunt_fw-la that_o visible_a sacrifice_n be_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o invisible_a sacrifice_n of_o the_o mind_n like_v as_o the_o word_n we_o speak_v be_v the_o sign_n of_o thing_n for_o as_o when_o we_o pray_v or_o praise_n we_o direct_v the_o word_n to_o he_o to_o who_o we_o offer_v in_o our_o heart_n the_o thing_n themselves_o which_o we_o signify_v by_o they_o so_o when_o we_o sacrifice_v we_o know_v that_o the_o visible_a sacrifice_n be_v to_o be_v offer_v to_o no_o other_o but_o to_o he_o who_o invisible_a sacrifice_n we_o ourselves_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o our_o heart_n and_o upon_o this_o account_n he_o add_v a_o little_a below_o it_o be_v and_o no_o other_o that_o the_o devil_n require_v sacrifice_v to_o be_v offer_v to_o they_o because_o they_o know_v it_o to_o be_v due_a to_o god_n alone_o endeavour_v by_o that_o mean_n to_o hinder_v access_n to_o the_o true_a god_n that_o man_n may_v not_o be_v his_o sacrifice_n whilst_o sacrifice_n be_v offer_v to_o any_o but_o to_o he_o thus_o st._n austin_n in_o answer_n to_o the_o heathen_n objection_n and_o the_o doctor_n be_v by_o which_o it_o appear_v one_a that_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o st._n austin_n external_a sacrifice_n be_v the_o high_a expression_n of_o the_o high_a part_n of_o prayer_n which_o be_v the_o devote_v and_o sacrifice_v ourselves_o in_o our_o heart_n to_o god_n it_o ought_v of_o all_o other_o to_o be_v reserve_v as_o most_o proper_a and_o acceptable_a to_o he_o and_o that_o religion_n which_o admit_v no_o external_a visible_a sacrifice_n must_v needs_o be_v deficient_a in_o the_o most_o signal_n part_v of_o the_o public_a worship_n of_o god_n two_o that_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o same_o st._n austin_n the_o doctor_n if_o he_o speak_v as_o he_o think_v know_v no_o more_o than_o the_o heathen_n do_v what_o the_o
as_o he_o be_v affect_v and_o nothing_o more_o subject_a to_o different_a construction_n than_o word_n they_o be_v like_o those_o picture_n which_o represent_v a_o man_n to_o one_o that_o stand_v on_o the_o right_a hand_n and_o a_o beast_n to_o another_o who_o stand_v on_o the_o left_a or_o like_o the_o pillar_n of_o cloud_n which_o give_v light_n to_o the_o israelite_n but_o be_v darkness_n to_o the_o egyptian_n for_o example_n those_o word_n of_o christ_n to_o his_o apostle_n you_o be_v the_o light_n of_o the_o world_n if_o you_o set_v a_o jew_n on_o the_o one_o side_n and_o dr._n st._n on_o the_o other_o the_o jew_n who_o own_v christ_n for_o no_o other_o than_o a_o seducer_n will_v call_v they_o blasphemous_a but_o the_o doctor_n i_o hope_v will_v not_o do_v so_o although_o christ_n say_v of_o himself_o that_o he_o be_v the_o light_n of_o the_o world_n and_o the_o only_a reason_n he_o can_v give_v be_v because_o though_o the_o word_n be_v the_o same_o yet_o the_o sense_n in_o which_o they_o be_v apply_v to_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n be_v very_o different_a and_o possible_o those_o high_a strain_n of_o prayer_n to_o god_n which_o he_o say_v be_v apply_v in_o that_o psalter_n to_o the_o b._n virgin_n may_v if_o examine_v be_v find_v not_o chargeable_a with_o blasphemy_n on_o the_o like_a account_n for_o if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o dead_a word_n but_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o speaker_n that_o animate_v they_o which_o make_v they_o to_o be_v prayer_n otherwise_o a_o parrot_n which_o shall_v be_v teach_v to_o say_v help_v i_o god_n will_v pray_v as_o well_o as_o a_o christian_a it_o follow_v that_o as_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o speaker_n be_v different_a so_o will_v the_o prayer_n be_v also_o that_o be_v the_o same_o word_n speak_v to_o god_n will_v have_v respect_n to_o he_o as_o who_o alone_o can_v give_v what_o we_o desire_v but_o apply_v to_o the_o b._n virgin_n will_v signify_v only_o that_o we_o desire_v her_o prayer_n to_o obtain_v for_o we_o of_o god_n what_o we_o believe_v that_o he_o alone_o can_v give_v and_o consequent_o no_o strain_n of_o prayer_n proper_o so_o call_v which_o be_v make_v to_o god_n will_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o b._n virgin_n §_o 5._o but_o now_o the_o doctor_n will_v be_v so_o just_a as_o not_o to_o insist_v upon_o the_o ancient_a breviaries_n or_o obsolete_a form_n or_o private_a devotion_n among_o which_o sure_o the_o psalter_n he_o speak_v of_o may_v be_v rank_v there_o be_v blasphemy_n and_o idolatry_n enough_o he_o think_v in_o the_o present_a roman_a breviary_n to_o serve_v his_o turn_n the_o first_o instance_n he_o give_v be_v that_o of_o the_o antiphon_n hail_o b._n virgin_n thou_o alone_o have_v destroy_v all_o the_o heresy_n in_o the_o world_n and_o lest_o this_o shall_v be_v interpret_v of_o do_v it_o by_o her_o son_n as_o the_o church_n do_v when_o she_o present_o add_v dum_fw-la virgo_fw-la deum_fw-la &_o hominem_fw-la genuisti_fw-la that_o be_v purif_n by_o bring_v he_o into_o the_o world_n who_o be_v both_o god_n and_o man_n a_o formal_a invocation_n of_o she_o he_o say_v follow_v give_v i_o strength_n against_o thy_o enemy_n to_o which_o he_o add_v those_o ejaculation_n in_o the_o hymn_n ave_fw-la maris_fw-la stella_fw-la wherein_o she_o be_v entreat_v to_o loose_v the_o bond_n of_o the_o guilty_a to_o give_v light_n to_o the_o blind_a and_o drive_v away_o our_o evil_n but_o he_o leave_v out_o and_o to_o beg_v for_o we_o all_o good_a thing_n and_o to_o show_v herself_o to_o be_v a_o mother_n or_o as_o it_o be_v say_v he_o in_o the_o masse-book_n at_o paris_n 1634._o jure_fw-la matris_fw-la impera_fw-la redemptori_fw-la as_o thou_o be_v a_o mother_n command_v the_o redeemer_n but_o then_o again_o lest_o the_o hymn_n shall_v be_v think_v only_o poetical_a he_o say_v that_o in_o the_o feast_n of_o s._n maria_n ad_fw-la nives_fw-la a_o formal_a prayer_n be_v make_v to_o she_o to_o help_v the_o miserable_a to_o strengthen_v the_o weak_a to_o comfort_v those_o that_o mourn_v where_o again_o he_o leave_v out_o pray_v for_o the_o people_n intercede_v for_o the_o clergy_n etc._n etc._n and_o the_o like_a form_n he_o say_v be_v use_v to_o st._n michael_n and_o the_o angel_n guardian_n and_o to_o the_o apostle_n and_o now_o say_v he_o be_v all_o this_o only_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n to_o pray_v for_o we_o yes_o sure_o if_o it_o be_v the_o sense_n which_o make_v the_o word_n to_o be_v prayer_n as_o i_o show_v above_o and_o not_o the_o bare_a character_n or_o letter_n and_o that_o the_o church_n sense_n be_v no_o other_o but_o to_o desire_v they_o to_o obtain_v for_o we_o of_o god_n the_o blessing_n express_v in_o those_o form_n viz._n help_v comfort_n light_n etc._n etc._n be_v manifest_a both_o from_o her_o frequent_a intermix_v that_o usual_a form_n of_o pray_v for_o we_o which_o the_o doctor_n convenient_o leave_v out_o and_o from_o her_o public_a doctrine_n as_o set_v down_o in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o inculcate_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a in_o their_o catechism_n but_o what_o can_v be_v say_v to_o those_o word_n in_o the_o mass-book_n at_o paris_n 1634._o jure_fw-la matris_fw-la impera_fw-la redemptori_fw-la as_o thou_o be_v a_o mother_n command_v thy_o son_n i_o answer_v 1._o that_o those_o word_n show_v thyself_o to_o be_v a_o mother_n to_o which_o the_o doctor_n make_v these_o other_o of_o the_o mass-book_n at_o paris_n correspond_v be_v not_o find_v in_o any_o mass-book_n at_o all_o that_o i_o can_v hear_v of_o nor_o do_v the_o word_n cite_v by_o the_o doctor_n agree_v in_o their_o number_n and_o measure_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o verse_n of_o that_o hymn_n and_o consequent_o i_o have_v some_o reason_n to_o believe_v he_o mistake_v at_o least_o in_o cite_v that_o mass-book_n but_o two_o suppose_v the_o word_n as_o cite_v by_o the_o doctor_n to_o be_v find_v in_o that_o mass-book_n i_o confess_v they_o express_v a_o vehemency_n of_o spirit_n not_o unsuitable_a to_o the_o brisk_a and_o sudden_a effort_n propet_v to_o that_o nation_n but_o yet_o they_o be_v such_o as_o may_v admit_v of_o a_o fair_a construction_n if_o they_o meet_v with_o a_o reader_n who_o be_v not_o obstinate_o bend_v to_o be_v wayward_a there_o be_v even_o in_o scripture_n some_o expression_n which_o seem_v to_o carry_v with_o they_o as_o great_a a_o excess_n as_o this_o 14._o for_o example_n when_o it_o be_v say_v that_o josue_n speak_v to_o our_o lord_n and_o the_o sun_n stand_v still_o god_n obey_v the_o voice_n of_o a_o man_n and_o when_o our_o saviour_n say_v of_o himself_o that_o in_o heaven_n he_o will_v make_v his_o servant_n to_o sit_v down_o to_o meat_n 37._o and_o will_v serve_v they_o now_o as_o the_o former_a of_o these_o expression_n do_v not_o signify_v a_o real_a obedience_n in_o god_n to_o the_o voice_n of_o man_n but_o his_o readiness_n to_o do_v the_o will_n of_o those_o that_o fear_v he_o nor_o the_o latter_a that_o christ_n will_v real_o serve_v the_o elect_a at_o table_n but_o only_o signify_v the_o great_a care_n he_o will_v take_v that_o nothing_o shall_v be_v want_v to_o the_o compliment_n of_o their_o joy_n and_o satisfaction_n â—o_o also_o the_o word_n object_v by_o the_o doctor_n aâ—_n thou_o be_v a_o mother_n command_v the_o redâ—emâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d not_o signify_v that_o she_o shall_v real_o command_v he_o as_o she_o do_v when_o he_o be_v subject_a to_o she_o upon_o earth_n but_o that_o she_o will_v use_v that_o grace_n and_o favour_n on_o our_o behalf_n which_o she_o have_v with_o he_o as_o a_o mother_n above_o all_o other_o saint_n and_o this_o be_v understand_v to_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n all_o that_o the_o doctor_n can_v say_v be_v that_o the_o author_n be_v too_o hyperbolical_a in_o the_o manner_n of_o his_o expression_n and_o in_o this_o i_o dare_v affirm_v he_o will_v find_v very_o few_o catholic_n dissent_v from_o he_o nay_o more_o i_o have_v reason_n to_o believe_v that_o the_o parisian_a missal_n of_o 1634._o if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o word_n in_o it_o have_v be_v since_o correct_v otherwise_o my_o adversary_n will_v doubtless_o have_v cite_v the_o mass-book_n of_o 1670._o and_o not_o of_o 1634._o and_o then_o the_o word_n he_o object_n aught_o to_o have_v be_v cast_v among_o the_o obsolete_a form_n which_o he_o say_v before_o he_o shall_v not_o insist_v upon_o §_o 6._o but_o now_o again_o if_o we_o use_v the_o same_o form_n of_o word_n to_o the_o b._n virgin_n and_o other_o saint_n as_o we_o do_v to_o god_n as_o when_o we_o desire_v she_o to_o strengthen_v the_o weak_a to_o give_v light_n to_o the_o blind_a etc._n etc._n from_o whence_o say_v the_o doctor_n must_v the_o people_n take_v the_o sense_n of_o these_o prayer_n if_o not_o from_o the_o