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A26887	The certainty of Christianity without popery, or, Whether the Catholick-Protestant or the papist have the surer faith being an answer to one of the oft canted questions and challenges of the papists, sent to one who desired this : published to direct the unskilful, how to defend their faith against papists and infidels, but especially against the temptations of the Devil, that by saving their faith, they may save their holiness, their comfort and their souls / by Richard Baxter.	Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691.	1672 (1672)	Wing B1213; ESTC R5291	42,876	122

When also we see the wickedness of mens lives among you in common Fornication and other heinous sin when the certainest faith will have the holiest life when it is Subjectively as well as Objectively certain XXXIX You destroy or greatly discredit the Grand Evidence of the Christian faith even Miracles How then can your faith be the most Certain For when you pretend that Miracles are as common through all the world as Priests Masses are in turning bread into no bread as aforesaid and yet no man seeth any proof of one such Miracle when really it is no less than Christs Resurrection which you pretend to be so common before all the Churches what is this but to tempt men to take all the Scripture and Apostolical Miracles to be no surer And then where is our faith XL. Lastly I end where I almost began If our sense be true the Pope and his Council are false and therefore our faith not to be received only nor chiefly on their trust For their faith teacheth us not to believe Gods most Natural Revelations to the sound senses and Intellective perception of all men in the world as I have shewed about the Bread and Wine in the Sacrament And when a Controversie it brought to sense it self we can bring it no lower And when we must either believe your faith and its foundation false or believe Gods most Natural Evident Revelation false and all mens Senses and Intellective perception false we are not able I say not able to be of your faith And now judge whose faith is more Certain the Protestants or the Papists And whether you do well so zealously and busily to make use of such soul-traps and fool-traps as the paper is which I have answered September 12. 1672. FINIS APENDIX CHAP. I. I. WHereas I have here and more fully in my More Reasons for the Christian Religion asserted a Certainty in some Morals it will give some light into the matter if I give you Ocham's decision of the Certainty of Moral Science in it self which because it is short I will translate Quod lib. l. 2. q. 14. Quest. Whether there can be a Demonstrative knowledge of Morals Resp. It seemeth not Because there can be no demonstrative knowledge of those things that are subject to the will But such are Morals ergo c. But contrarily Morals are a Science In this Question 1. I will expound one Term of the Question 2. I will give you one distinction 3. And then answer the Question 1. As to the first I say that Moral is sometime taken largely for humane Acts which are under the will absolutely Sometime more strictly for Acts subject to the Power of the will according to the natural dictate of Reason and according to other circumstances 2. As to the second you must know that Moral Doctrine hath many parts of which one is Positive another is Not-positive Moral Science Positive is that which containeth humane Laws and Divine which oblige us to follow or avoid things which are neither good nor evil nor because prohibited and commanded by a superiour to whom it belongeth to give Laws But Moral Science not positive is that which without any command of a Superidirecteth humane actions as Principles known by themselves or known by experience so direct As that all that is honest is to be done and all that is dishonest is to be avoided and such like of which Aristotle speaketh in his Moral Philosophie 3. As to the third I say That Moral Positive Science such as the Science of Lawyers is is not Demonstrative though in many things it be regulated by that which is demonstrative Because the reasons of Lawyers are founded on humane Positive Laws which receive not propositions evidently known But Moral Science not positive is Demonstrative I prove it Because all knowledge deducing conclusions Syllogistically from Principles known by themselves or by experience of him that knoweth is demonstrative But such is Moral Doctrine ergo c. The Major is known The Minor is proved Because in Moral Philosophie there are many Principles known by themselves As that the will is to conform it self to right reason that all evil is to be avoided and such like In like manner many Principles are known by Experience as is evident to him that followeth experience And I further say that This is more Certain than many other things in as much as every man may have more Experience of his own acts than of other things From whence it is plain that this is a Science very Subtile Profitable and Evident To the Argument for the Contrary I say That of things subject to the will may be formed Propositions true and known by themselves which can demonstrate many Conclusions CHAP. II. How much the wisest Papists are for our way of Resolving faith before Luthers time by controversie perverted them IT was ordinary till Luthers disputing convinced them that the Scriptures would not serve their turn for the wisest Papists 1. To make Scripture the perfect Rule of faith without the supplement of Tradition to add more 2. And to give such Reasons for their Faith as we now do for ours I. I must not be tedious in citing many 1. Aquinas Cont. Gent. Cap. 9. fol. 3. saith But the singular manner of convincing an adversary of this truth is by the Authority of the Scripture confirmed of God by miracles And Summ. 1. q. 1. a. 8. ad secundum he saith that Sacred Doctrine useth the authority of the Canonical Scripture arguing properly and from necessity but the authorities of other Doctors of the Church as arguing from its own but Probably For our faith resteth on the Revelation made to the Apostles and Prophets who wrote the Canonical Books but not on the Revelation made to other Doctors if there were any such Whence August to Hier. I have learnt to give this honour only to the Books of Scripture called Canonical as that I firmly believe that no Author of them did at all err in writing them But others I read so as that how excellent soever they were in Learning and Holiness I take it not to be therefore true because they so thought or wrote Durandus in his Preface hath little else but of the Scripture excellency in Dignity Goodness Certainty and Profundity And from Hier. ad Paulin. saith Let us learn that on Earth the knowledge of which will continue with us in Heaven But this is only in the Holy Scripture 3. The Holy Scripture exceedeth all in Certainty of Truth We must speak of the mystery of Christ and universally of those things which meerly concern faith comformably to what the Holy Scripture delivereth As Christ Joh. 5. Search the Scripture c. If any man observe not this c. The Measure is not to exceed the Measure of Faith which Measure consisteth in two things that is that we take not that from faith which belongs to faith nor attribute that to faith which is not

know that this Gospel and these Books are true And all these are not to be confounded by the simple pretence of calling for a fixed medium or principle § 7. VI. Determining signifieth either the private decision or determining of doubts in the minds of particular persons or else the publick decision of doubts as they are managed in the Church by a publick Judge And this either as binding mens Consciences or Minds what to believe or only as ruling their tongues and actions in teaching and conversation § 8. VII By Vnity in faith is meant either unity in a general faith which they call Implicite or in a particular explicite faith And that is either a unity in all the essentials of Christianity or also in all the Integrals or also in all the accidentals which are revealed by God And it is either a secret unity of minds or a publick unity for communion that is meant If he think any of these distinctions needless let him prove it and then cast them by I am sure confusion is fit to deceive but not to edifie CHAP. III. The rude and summary answer to the confused Question § 1. LEst the Querist should pretend that by distinguishing I avoid a plain and direct answer to his Question I will here first suppose him to be as rude and confused as his Question would imply and give him such an answer as it will bear But so as that it cannot be satisfactory to a distinguishing understanding for whom therefore I shall afterward answer more distinctly § 2. I cannot answer with common sense in a narrower compass than by distinguishing these Questions 1. How know I the words and Bible 2. How know I that this Doctrine and Book is the same which was delivered by the Apostles to the Churches 3. How know I the meaning of the words 4. How know I that this Doctrine and these words are of God or a Divine Revelation 5. How know I that they are true § 3. I. To the first Question I answer that I know that I hear and read the words and that this Bible containeth in it all its visible contents by my sense my sight and hearing and my intellective perception of things sensible And though this be a principle in which the Papists agree not with us I am never the more in doubt whether I see and hear the words § 4. II. To the second I know that this Doctrine and Book is the same which by the Apostles were delivered to the Churches by Infallible History not such as dependeth on the honesty of the speakers only and so begetteth but a humane faith much less such as depends on the bare Authority of the King of Rome and his narrow selfish sect or party and Kingdom but by such History as hath a certainty in it from natural principles by which we prove it impossible that there should be deceit there being so full a concurrence of all sorts of Christians and enemies also and infallible circumstantial evidence Even as I know that there was such a man at Rome as Gregory 1. and Gregory 7. and such persons in England as Henry 8. King Edward 6. Queen Mary Queen Elizabeth c. And as I know that our Statute Books are not counterfeit And as your Doctors know that the Acts and Decrees of Councils the Works of Bellarmine Baronius c. are not counterfeit which is not because the Pope or a General Council saith so but by rational evidence of certain History which leaveth not mens minds in doubt § 5. But I am not equally certain of some questioned Books or Readings no nor of the sense of some difficult words as I am of all the rest which being more evident are more past controversie § 6. III. I know the meaning of the words spoken or written as you know the meaning of a man that talketh with you or of any other writings as of your Councils Decretals Mass-book Bellarmine c. that is by the significance of such words by humane usage from those daies till now which Lexicons Books and successive practice fully prove § 7. But there are plain passages in Scripture which I understand certainly not because the Pope saith This is the meaning Such are all the essentials of Christianity and abundance more And there are difficult passages which I am not certain of the sense of § 8. IV. I know that this Doctrine and the Bible containing it as such are of God or are his word by the spirit attesting and fealing it not in the fanatick sense as they think they have an inward impulse perswading them that so it is as some Papists think the Pope and Councils know that to be of God which they decree by Prophetical Inspiration But 1. As to the Gospel the spirit attested it by antecedent Prophesie 2. The image of Gods Power Wisdom and Goodness imprinted on the Scripture is its essential constitutive evidence being unimitable by meer man and that which is its intrinsick self evidencing light so that a spiritual well disposed soul may from a sensibleness tast that it is Gods word if a Bible had come to them by chance and they had never heard of it before I say that they may do so if you can suppose them spiritually disposed before But if not yet they may strongly suspect that it is Gods word when they read that it affirmeth it self to be so and that the image of God upon it is so clear 3. But the Concomitant Evidence of the spirit maketh up the proof in the miracles of Christs Life Resurrection and ascension and in the miracles of Apostles and primitive Christians abroad the world by which the Gospel was fully sealed 4. And the effected subsequent evidence of the spirit compleateth all the evidence which is the spirit of holiness given by the means of this same word to all true serious Believers in the world in all ages and nations which Holiness is the Image of God himself and is such a gift as none but God can give and as God would not give by a Doctrine which he abhorreth as a lie Therefore 1. It witnesseth objectively as an evidence 2. And it witnesseth effectively by inclining the heart to tast and close with and receive the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the innaturalized word as life and health cause a man to know suitable food by a gust which proceedeth from a suitable nature so is it in the new nature and the sincere milk of the word And indeed though the intellect be the proper apprehender of Truth as such suo modo yet the will is quaedam natura and hath a natural propensity to Good as Good which is natural to it and is the pondus motuum in the rational soul And it is not an universal notion or nothing under the name of good which it thus inclineth to but existent good in some being that is Vnum Verum Bonum as Rada and other Scotists well prove And therefore it hath

receive them as such because the Pope and his Council as the only Judges say they are such Of which more anon CHAP. V. Quest. II. Whether it be true that the Papists grant us that all Divine Revelations are true § 1. Answ. YES if you will first take their bare word what are Divine Revelations 2. And will take in this word in the sense that God intends them 3. And will allow them to speak contradictions For thus 1. They can tell you when they have a mind that Gods plainest Revelations are none of his Revelations 2. And that whatever Evidence of truth or sense there is in the signs revealing God intendeth something contrary 3. And that that is his revelation which is contrary to his Revelation § 2. For instance The first fundamental Revelation of God to man is unto our senses of things sensible and thereby Intelligible to our understandings Now we cannot get the Papists assent that these Divine Revelations are certainly true yea they say that daily they are certainly false God made Sense God made the Intellect God made the Medium and God made the object In the Lords Supper all the sound senses of all men living Christians and Heathens Papists and Protestants perceive Bread and Wine by seeing smelling touching and tasting Yet the Papists say and their Priests swear that there is no Bread and Wine and that God by another Revelation hath certified us that this Revelation to sense and the Intellect by sense is false He that will not swear that there is no Bread shall be no Priest He that will not renounce this Divine Revelation in Nature and all his senses and all mens senses is a Heretick to be burnt and damned All Temporal Lords that will suffer such as thus renounce not sense and sensible Revelation are to be excommunicate and deprived of their dominions and their subjects absolved from their oaths of allegiance All this is in the Council of Lateran sub Innoc. 3. Can. 1. 3. And the Trent Oath and Council Is this now a Divine Revelation or not If not then they that heard Christ speak and saw his Miracles and saw him after his Resurrection had none For their senses might be all deceived if all mens now may § 3. And if God intendeth here the quite contrary to the Evidence even of sensible natural signs how can they ever prove that he doth not so in his word too even in Hoc est corpus meum and in every article of the faith Certainty lieth in Evidence and if all the declaring evidence may be false because of the contrary intent then who knoweth what is true or whether ever God said true to man § 4. And here Revelations are pretended against Revelation yea the superstruct against the fundamental the consequent against the antecedent the less certain against the more certain yea certain forgery fathered on God against his Certain Natural Revelations For 1. We are men before we are Christians we have sense before we have faith We can have no certainty of faith but by means of the Certainty of sense For we cannot tell that there is any man or book in the world nor that ever we saw a letter or heard a word What then shall we believe 2. And they have nothing but pretended Miracles against this Constant Evident Natural Revelation For every Priest how sottish and wicked soever to turn Bread into no Bread and Wine into no Wine when he list For all the Priests in the world these sixteen hundred years to do this every week or each day that they celebrate their Mass publickly or privately must needs be an undeniable Miracle if true being as much beyond all natural power as raising Lazarus from death And to make these miracles as universal constant and easie as Gods worship in the Assembly is to turn Miracles into the familiarest of Gods dealings And hath not all this need of good proof to prove Gods natural Revelations to be as ordinarily and universally false 3. Yea the Miracle is doubled while the accidents remain They deny them to be the Accidents of Christs body and blood If they are Accidents then it is either of Bread or of Nothing An Accident of Bread which is no bread the Quantity and Colour of bread which is no bread or of wine which is no Wine is a plain contradiction If they be the Accidents of nothing the Quantity of nothing the weight of nothing the locality of nothing the colour tast smell of nothing all these are as plain contradictions Then God must be said by his Omnipotence to cause Contradictories and to work constant Miracles for that end and all to prove his Natural Revelation false § 5. And what cogent Evidence bringeth them to all this Why Hoc est corpus meum No more than Davids I am a worm and no man or Christs I am the vine and ye are the branches and Pauls that Rock was Christ Though paul becometh Christs expositor and three times in the three next verses 1 Cor. 11. calleth it Bread after the Consecration And the old Fathers as often as Edmundus Albertinus hath shewed in folio Yet because the foresaid Later an and Trent Council have in the later end of the world new made this Article of the Papists faith by their exposition of Christs words contrary to St. Paul all Christs fore-revelation in nature must go for falshoods and God daily worketh Miracles to deceive all the common senses of the world when yet no word or Miracle can be believed but on supposition of the certainty of senses § 6. This his blind supposition called me to premise that you may see how far Papists and we are or are not agreed that all Gods Revelations are true and how impossible it is for them to know what is a Divine Revelation or when Gods meaning is agreeable to his Revelations These are things neer and plain and weighty CHAP. VI. Quest. III. What Certainty we have what is a real Revelation of God § 1. Answ. AS I have before partly distinguished of Certainty I will now tell you as to some sorts what it is that goeth to make up Certainty and then how much and what of this we have § 2. I suppose you to remember that it is not subjective Certainty in our selves that we speak of but Objective which may be at hand when men see it not And that it is not meer Truth which we now speak of but the Evidence of Truth or its perceptibility and that neither the lowest nor only the highest degree but any of the various degrees which truly satisfie quiet and resolve the soul. § 3. And that Objective Infallibility or Certainty is 1. Not only that which deceiveth no man which receiveth it for that 's the case of all truth 2. Nor yet that which no man can be deceived about for that is nothing at all that I remember unless it be me cogitare vel sentire 3. But it is that

and not to resist § 5. Even so it is with Pastors in the Church who have power to try particular mens cases and judge them according to Gods word and that only in order to the ends of their Society which is holy Communion in Love § 6. But this much power as it supposeth the sense of the Law and declareth it only as far as the decision of the particular case requireth and not an Universal Regulating determination which hath the nature of an Universal Law it self so it belongeth to none but true Pastors of the Church and that only within their proper charge And if any one will do as the Pope who will be Ruler in all Churches of the world his usurpation maketh him a sinner but not an obliging determiner § 7. And thus you have our Answer to all his Questions which he thrust into one as plainly and distinctly as I can well speak And because his snare lieth in putting you on the deciding of all these cases while he doth nothing to it himself that so he may destroy where he cannot build and so would make the world believe that they have a greater Certainty in all the cases propounded than we have I will next try their Certainty compared with ours and shew you the difference And withal I will tell you why we use not their Medium and take it not for any Certification at all § 8. But withall professing that if I knew where to find that Man or company of men that I could be sure could Infallibly certifie me of all the doubts and difficulties in the matters of faith it would save me such abundance of labour in my long studies and so gratifie my love of ease and my earnest desires of the greatest Certainty in these greatest things that I would spare no possible labour and cost to find out such an Oracle And I wonder not that slothful men had rather conceit that others by number or prerogative are Certain and so to trust upon a common faith than to search and pray till they have a Certainty of their own CHAP. XIII What the Papists ascertaining Medium is and why we reject it § 1. THough I will not intitle my Answer as Mr. Pool doth his book The Nullity of the Romish faith yet you might be ashamed if you have any modesty lest to go about still with confident challenges with the same case whilest neither that book of his nor his Dialogue nor the many in which I fully answer this very Question have any reply And indeed I have said so much to this point already that without repeating the same things I scarce know what is yet to say Almost the whole book called The Safe Religion is of it But most directly all the third part Where pag. 186 187. I briefly and plainly give you the grounds and resolution of the Protestants faith And pag. 189. and forward I shew you the lamentable difference among the Papists about the Resolution of their faith And pag. 195. and forward I give you abundance of unresistible Arguments to prove 1. That It belongeth not to the Pope and Roman Church to be the Judge of Scriptures to all the world 2. That they are not Infallible 3. That our faith must not be resolved into their Infallible Judgement And in my Reasons for the Christian Religion and in my more Reasons for it and in my Life of Faith I have fully opened and desended the reasons resolution and certainty of our faith But seeing their Impudency and Designs are such as that nothing of this must be considered though they are referred to it but they must lay snares for souls by canting over the same things and calling out for that Answer which they will not take notice of when it is before them some more they shall have for the sake of those whom they would deceive But in great brevity lest I tire the Reader by repetitions of things that have been so often said § 2. Though the Papists are disagreed greatly among themselves in this matter yet the most prevailing opinion is that it is upon the Authoritative Determination of the Bishop of Rome and a General Council if he approve it that all Christians in the world must have the Certainty what is indeed the word of God And men must take all for Certain which is so determined of and no more even because this Authority hath so determined And that this is to believe by the common certain faith of the Church when otherwise men must have but an uncertain private faith of their own And consequently that he that will convince an Infidel and convert he world must first make them believe that the Pope and Council are Authorised or Enabled to determine judicially and not only to Teach by Evidence what is Gods word and what not before any thing can be Certainly taken for Gods word § 3. The difference between the Papists opinion and ours for brevity sake shall be included in our Reasons against their pretended Certainty which are these Reason I. We have another Certainty already by notorious Evidence of many things in your present Question And must we quit all that Certainty to take the same things only on trust from your Pope and his Council We cannot do it Because some evidence is Cogent and the Intellect is necessitated by it Must we not know that Thou shalt Love God and thy neighbour is Gods word by its proper Evidence We have the witness within us we see on all true Christians that Holiness wrought by this Gospel which God will not use a lie to effect even to save men from sin and recover the hearts of men to himself and repair his Image on mans soul Must I needs give the lie to this Evidence till the Pope speak He that Loveth God may be sure by inward perception yea Intuition if Ocham say true that he Loveth him and consequently is beloved of him and this Gospel wrought it Must I not know that He that believeth shall be saved is truly translated out of the Original till the Pope determine it Must I believe no Grammar no Lexicon no Antient Author no Jew no Teacher of Greek or Hebrew no vulgar use concerning the sense of words till the Pope determine it Must I not know what the Baptismal Tradition of all Christians in the world doth tell me that we must believe in God the Father Son and Holy Ghost till I know that the Pope determineth it Must I not receive the Creed Lords-Prayer or Decalogue by all other Evidence till his word cometh in Then I must throw away Certainty for uncertainty II. Your own party do not thus receive all in your Question They teach and learn the Hebrew and Greek Grammars and the Rules of Translating and Criticize upon the Text and search after the Copies to discern the best by intrinsick Characters and by comparing them as any man may see who readeth all your Gramarians Criticks and