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A08330	A true report of the priuate colloquy betweene M. Smith, aliâs Norrice, and M. VValker held in the presence of two vvorthy knights, and of a few other gentlemen, some Catholikes, some Protestants : with a briefe confutation of the false, and adulterated summe, which M. Walker, pastour of S. Iohn Euangelist in Watling-streete, hath diuulged of the same.	S. N. (Sylvester Norris), 1572-1630.; Walker, George, 1581?-1651.	1624 (1624)	STC 18661; ESTC S461	30,866	65

sēse betokneth such a breaking as hateth destroyeth quite extinguisheth the thing it crusheth or breaketh a sunder So it signifieth in those very places which M Walker alleadgeth Breake off the golden ear●ngs c. to wit with abolishing with destroying them to that changing them to another vse And much more in Genesis where it is not as he most fraudulently corrupteth it Thou shalt breake off his yoke c. but as the Protestant Translatiō readeth Thou shalt breake his yoke from off thy neck So that Peru● breake is referred to the Yoke as before to the Earings off is added by phrase of speach Likewise the very tearme of yoke declareth how he was to breake it off as a combersome and hatefull burden with dislike and detestation to be eased of the same No such manner of speach is vsuall in the place we handle and the case it selfe is far otherwise For a ma may breake off or interrupt a busines for a tyme which he liketh approoueth and meaneth after when opportunity serueth to prosecute and accomplish Therfore though your English Coppy beareth the sound of a small corruption yet the treachery is great and deprauation most viperous because it taketh away all reference to the demolition redemption and expiation of sinnes by satisfactory workes of Pennance and Almes-deedes which the true meaning of the word enforceth and the Holy Ghost therby intended To conclude if the Hebrew word had bin doubtfull as it is not then the Originalls of Greeke and Latine might haue directed you without seeking a new sense and faygned signification of your owne Syr Edward Harwood and M. Walker Not so for we haue nothing to doe with the Greeke and Latin text they are both corrupted M. SMITH And is not the Hebrew also corrupted especially of late since the addition of the pricks This was the true occasion of excepting against the Hebrew text no other was the exception no other my base estimation or reiection of it Though M. Walker hath so bad a conscience as to misreport them all and so virulent a pen as vpon his owne lying report to accuse me of vanity inconstancy malice and wickednes ioyned with wi●full ignorance But these are mild and modest wordes in respect of other most opprobrious speaches and spitefull tearmes which elswhere flow from the bitternes of his hart to which I now answere once for all The disciple is not aboue his Maister nor the Seruant aboue his Lord If they haue called the Good man of the howse Beelzebub how much more them of his houshold It is no dishonor for me to be reuiled with the seruants of his house if it be no ignominie for M. Walker to be one of their Reuilers Howbeit as soone as he had disgorged those vnciuil tearmes he peremptorily writeth M. WALKER It is the iudgment of all the best learned both Iewish Rabbins and Christians that the pricks vowells accents were from the beginning M. SMITH What Of all the best learned Little is your reading or great is your forgetfulnes for the best learned without exception say the contrary as not only Helias Leuita but Rabbi Dauid Kimki whome Caluin and Beza much commend and diuers other Rabbins are of the same opinion cited by Galatinus who euidētly proueth this point out of their owne writings with whome Genebrard Lindan Sixtus Senensis Arias Montanus and innumerable others accord The wordes of Arias Montanus be these The Grammarians striue about the antiquity and first inuenters of these vowels and pricks and the strife as yet remayneth in debate Some referring this thing to the tyme and industry of Esdras others to the Schoole at Tiberiades famous ●o● the resort and meeting of learned men Howsoeuer thi●●e that is constant and certayne amongst all the inuention o● the vowells pricks not to be of equall standing and antiquity with the Hebrew Consonants Lo then this is constant and certayne amongst all M. WALKER But looke Deuteronomy c. 17. v. 18. and there it is plainly testifi●d that there was a booke of the law called Mishne which signified double because it was the law written in the double forme both with letters and pricks Another Priest M. Smiths Companion You shew your selfe very ignorant for Mishne doth not signifie in that place the Originall Scriptures nor holy Scriptures at all but the deposition or repetition of the Original and prime law conteyned in Exodus Leuiticus and N●meri which are only part of the Scripture called Deuteronomium as S. Athanasius S. Augustine and Theodoretus witnes Now to say that the whole Scripture is called by the name of Mishne is as absurd as to mantayne that the whole Scripture is called Deuteronomy And out of that bare word Mishne to inferre the Scriptures to haue beene primarily writtē with pricks is most ridiculous because euen in the place you cite it is as much distinguished from the first and primary Scripture as a coppy from the original a patterne from the Prototypon and is expounded ioyned with Thorah a doubled or second Law M. WALKER You contradict you● selfe in affirming that Mishne signifieth the doubled law which is the Scripture and yet not the originall Scripture M. Smiths Companion No good Sir It is no more a contradiction to deny Mishne Thorah or Deuteronomy to import the Scripture indeterminately and yet to graunt it to be a part of the Scripture then to deny you to be a true Minister of Christ and yet to graunt you to be a Minister for Mickra indeed is the common word by which the Iewes expresse the Scripture M. WALKER I answere that the Scripture hath diuers names it is called Thorah Chethab Mickra and Mishne M. Smiths Companion Are not you ashamed after the labour of so many months study to write so impertinently for Thorah signifieth only part of the Scripture or Pentateuch Chethab any writing as Esther 8. v. 8. the kings letter is called Chethab as for Mishne you alledge no text or testimony to prooue that it betokeneth the Scripture But see Pagnine and you shal find that the word neuer expresseth any Scripture at all but with the word Thorah as Mishne Thorah it betokeneth a repetition or second law as Deutero 17. 18. Iosue 8. 20. But where Thorah is left out it signifieth only the second Looke Esther 10. 3. 4. Reg. 22. v. 14. ibid. c. 23. v. 4. and so M. Walker bewrayeth his little skill in Rabbins who though he flourisheth in his writing with the muster of some of theyr names and Commentaries yet he could not remember at the meeting to cite any one of their authorities M. SMITH Thus you see M. Walker how you wil be alwayes flinching from the matter though you be still beaten backe to your owne shame and confusion To returne therfore from whence we are digressed If the Greek and Latin be adulterated in the former place of Daniel the Hebrew is alike corrupted because Peruc properly

Church Ergo Other Churches also M. SMITH I deny the Minor The Apostolical Church did not erre in a maine point of Fayth M. WALKER The act of Christs Resurrection from the dead taught in Scripture is a fundamentall point of Fayth The Apostolicall church did erre in it Ergo c. M. SMITH I distinguish the Minor The Apostles erred or rather were ignorant of the act of Christes Resurrection as a matter of fact I graunt the Minor as an Article of faith I deny it for it was indeed a diuine verity a true matter of fact at that tyme yet no article of faith M. WALKER Behold Gentlemen he denyeth the Resurrection to be an Article of faith M. Smiths Companion You wilfully abuse him he denyeth it not absolutly but only for that tyme because it was not then sufficiently promulgated M. WALKER Reach me the Bible I will shew the contrary in expresse words of Scripture So opening the booke he read how some of the Apostles knew not the Scriptures that he must rise from the dead how our Sauiour appeared to the eleauen Apostles and vpbrayded their incredulity and hardnes of hart because they belieued not them who had seene him after he was risen At this Syr William Harington houlding vp his handes sayd Oh I protest I neuer heard any poynt so playnely prooued M. SMITH Proued he hath proued nothing For I graunt the Apostles were slow in belieuing dull in vnderstanding the resurrection of Christ but I say it was not then an article of fayth which they were obliged expressely to belieue because it was not so clearely promulgated and proued vnto them as to bynd them vnder the payne of Heresy or note of Infidelity at that tyme to imbrace A Protestant Gentleman Say you soe Was it not expressely reuealed in Scripture sufficiently promulgated by Christ himself M. SMITH I acknowledge the reuelation of scripture the promulgation of Christ sufficient in themselues yet not in respect of the Apostles capacity for they were yet rude and weake of vnderstanding they had not as yet that inward illustration and light of the holy Ghost those outward motiues and arguments of credibility which did binde them to giue infallible assent to so deep a mystery They assented and belieued that all was true which Christ sayd all true which the Scriptures reuealed concerning his Resurrection yet they knew not whether the sense and meaning of those passages were to be taken truely or enigmatically properly or figuratiuely Of this only were they ignorant and this ignorance proceeded from their imbecillity and weakenesse and not from the insufficiency of holy Scripture The Gentleman satisfied with this M. Walker grauelled with the former answere his reasoning was at an end howbeit his brawling would haue no end for the foresayd distinction held him at such a bay as notwithstanding he bragged much of his dexterity in disputing yet with all his cunning Sophistry he could not so much as frame one argument one Syllogisme or Enthimeme against it But being in a monstrous rage because his pryde could not brooke such a fowle ouerthrowe I thought good to giue way to his chafing fit and so departed with these very wordes VVell well I perceiue my distinction hath choked your argument you are not able to proceed Now after that I arose and walked hard by the other Priest that assisted me explicating the answere that I had giuen sayd M. Smiths Companion It is not much to be meruailed that the Apostles at the first conceaued not aright the Resurrection of Christ for the Apostolicall Church was then in her infancy it was newly raysed not wholy finished begun but not perfected The Euangelicall law was deliuered yet not fully established And can this vndergoe the censure of any other doctrine then sound and orthodoxall Or could M. Walker iustly vaunt of any allegation he brought against M. Smith Then read and detest the arrogant style of an hereticall Impostor who blusheth not to print after his confusion these flourishing wordes M. WALKER M. Smith being put to silence with those proofes the other Priest to make vs this breach fled to another shift and denyed the Apostles to haue byn a Church at that tyme because the Holy Ghost was not yet come downe nor the Euangelicall law reuealed M. SMITH If you were not already returned in open Court for a willfull lyar forger false Prophet and Priest of Baal your wordes might beare some shew of credit but in so much as you are notoriously defamed for such an one I onely intreat the Reader to iudge whether I were silenced or you whether my Companion fled to another shift or defended the answere which I gaue Whether you haue not writhed his wordes to a faulty strayne of purpose to reprooue them For he denyed not the Apostles to haue byn at that tyme a Church nor that the Euangelicall law was reuealed but that it was not promulgated that the Church was not yet perfect or law cōplete For how could it be then fully cōplete when it wanted diuers guiftes and endowments necessary to the entyre complement and perfection therof When it wanted the spirituall comfort and inward Vnction of the Holy Ghost When it wanted her outward promulgation essentially required to the establishmēt of a law When it wanted the guift of tongues most requisit for the conuersion of all Nations When it wāted that vigour or strength of verity of which our Sauiour sayd Tarry in the Citty till you be endued with power from high How then M. Walker how could your conscience serue you to carpe or reprehend that saying of his strengthned and supported by such warrantable proofes To peruert and disorder the whole frame and methode of your owne disputation How could it serue you 1. To charge me with tearming the Apostles ignorance or hardnesse of hart an errour of forgetfulnesse 2. To faygne me to say that the Scriptures had not expressely reuealed how Christ should rise from the dead 3. To faygne that I intreated you to shew it me out of the Ghospell 4. That I persisted still how the Scriptures had not sufficiently reuealed it All most iniurious and hideous lyes Notwithstāding these leasinges of his or selfe-deuised fancyes he mustreth a band of three seuerall probations and graceth the last with the admiratiō or solemne acclamation of one of his Assistantes howbeit it was vsed vpon another occasion Such is euery where the iugling of that vain-glorious Sycophant yet he dischargeth me from the labour of refuting his arguments sith they are nothing else but engines raysed to batter the forts of his owne conceits which neuertheles he suffereth not to fall to the ground without the sound of his fellowes applause praysing himselfe for ouercomming himselfe in such a skirmish in which he is both the assayler and the assayled he the Maister and he the maystered idely conquering and basely conquered both at once Moreouer he reprooueth me for making a strange

A TRVE REPORT OF THE Priuate Colloquy betweene M. Smith aliâs Norrice and M. VValker Held in the presence of two VVorthy Knights and of a few other Gentlemen some Catholikes some Protestants With a briefe Confutation of the false and adulterated summe which M. Walker Pastour of S. Iohn Euangelist in Watling-streete hath diuulged of the same Permissu Superiorum M. DC XXIIII TO THE READER IT IS no Nouelty lately practised by the Protestāts of our age it hath alwaies beene the vsual trade and inueterate guile of Heretikes in former tymes to corrupt falsifie and depraue not onlie the Bookes and Writings but the wordes sayings and other Conferences they haue held with the professours of the Catholike Church Origen complayneth how his bookes were thus abused by the enemies of God and Sowers of Cockle euen in his owne dayes S. Augustine writeth that the Donatists being conuicted of falshood in a Collation he had with them did after maliciously calumniate and traduce the sentence giuen against them as falslie pronounced The Arians Pelagians and other auncient Sectaries were attainted of the like crime And now our Puritans and Protestants are proued guiltie of the same or far more treacherous dealing by which they labour to vnderproppe the rotten beames of their ruinous vnconstant declining doctrine 2. Of this fraud and deceite Hunnius Hail-bronner and their companions were guiltie who being vāquished in the meeting at Ratisbone diuulged notwithstanding many false reports of their triumph and victorie Of this was M. Iewell guilty as D. Harding in manie of his writings M. VValsingham in his Search haue euidētly discouered Guilty was M. Reynolds in publishing his Conference with M. Hart wherein he forged diuers things to the credit of his owne and disaduantage of his Opponents cause of which he neuer so much as dreamed Therefore S. Gregorie trulie auerreth of these and such like heretikes that by their labours and disquisitions they endeauour not so much to attayne the truth as to seeme victorious they more eagerlie thirst after the applause of men then the glory of God they seeke such things as apertayne to themselues not such as belong to Iesus Christ. 3. In which kind most notable now of late and most fresh in memorie is the pride and arrogancie of D. Featly who impudentlie boasted of his supposed Conquest in a meeting which he D. VVhite had with M. Fisher and M. Sweete from which neuerthelesse he cowardlie fled wholie discomfited and blotted with the ignomonie of a desperate Retraite No lesse shamefull though in a conflict lesse famous is the vanitie of M. VValker in bragging of the Conference betweene him and M. Smith which himself hath set forth stuffed with such a heapeof false and guilefull relations as he may seeme according to the Prophet to haue made lying to be protected Nothing trembling at that dreadfull sentēce which is prophesied of him Thou O Lord hatest all that work iniquity thou wilt destroy them all that tell a lye Howbeit not one but so manie lies hath he diuulged as I may say with Ieremie he hath bent his tongue or prepared his quill as a bowe of lying and not of truth c. His tongue is a wandering arrow it hath spoken guile For in relating the arguments and answers which passed on both sides some he changeth some he corrupteth heere he leaueth out there he foisteth in one while he disioynteth the wordes otherwhile he dismembreth peruerteth the sense in fine he maketh such a misshapen and confused Chaos of malicious slaunders of foolish impertinent additions as may well become one of his owne deformed and bastardly brood which the iudicious Reader may playnlie perceaue by the true narration I shall heer deliuer without inserting any more then shall be necessarie for the iust reproofe of the aduersaries forgeries or redargution of other speaches purposelie omitted and suppressed by him 4. Yet meruaile not I haue so long delayed this obligation I had to cleere my self satisfie the interest Iowe to truth For the first Copie of my answere fullie perfected and addressed to the presse though in a forrayne Countrie because the tyme permitteth not any such commoditie at home was as it often happeneth intercepted by the way and the interception concealed from my knowledge for the space of six whole weekes So powerfull is the aduerse faction in bearing vs downe and openlie disgracing vs with their calumnious libels and so vigilant and watchfull in stopping all possible meanes we should take to manifest our innocencie But such violent oppression cannot still continue the Widowes teares the Orphans cryes will at length be heard and Christs afflicted flocke our silenced pennes may find a tyme to lay open our sinceritie and the wrong which is done vs by their false criminations A TRVE REPORT OF THE Priuate Colloquy betweene M. Smith aliâs Norrice M. VValker M. SMITH aliâs NORRICE So M. Walker stileth me FIRST then it is false that I chalenged any Minister to dispute I onlie yelded for the satisfaction of Syr William Harington to giue a meeting to any whom he should bringe Secondly it is false that I was assisted by any more Priests then onlie one by any more Catholikes then foure I for solemnelie conditioned at the beginning that there should be no more then fiue or six persons at the most on a side to the end the Conference might be verie secret and priuate without concourse of people or noyse abroad for feare of affoarding disgust vnto the State in that our quiet tyme of peace and conniuencie Which conditions I punctuallie obserued though the Aduersarie was so bold as to violate and infring them both by bringing more then the appointed number as by publishing also the whole discourse to the open view and sight of the Realme yet so fraudulentlie so corruptlie as forceth me to this right and vnfaygned replie Then although it be true that I intreated the disputation might be performed sweetlie and with all mildnes without bitter wordes or reproachfull taunts yet M. Walker made no such answere as he hath forged in his Pamphlet True also it is that I excepted against the vnmannerlie tearmes of calling our Church Whore of Babylon the Pope Antichrist desired no such odious Epithetes might be vsed now especially whē it pleased the Kings Maiesty to send to his Holines for a dispensation for the mariage of our Noble Prince Yet I sayd not that his Maiestie sued to his Holines or gaue the Pope that honour The awe of reuerence I bore to so mightie a Monarch did temper my tongue from vsing any such wordes as seemed to carry the least shew of distast At length that we might proceed more solidelie and not floate vp and downe vpon vncertaynties I desired we might both agree in some generall positiōs or irreuocable Tenents as grounds of our ensuing dispute Wherevpon being to proue That the Protestants Church is not the true