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A84062 The nullity of church-censures: or A dispute written by that illustrious philosopher, expert physician, and pious divine Dr Thomas Erastus, publick professor in the University of Heidelbertge, and Basil. Wherein is proved by the holy Scriptures, and sound reason; that excommunication, and church-senates or members, exercising the same, are not of divine institution; but a meere humane invention. Erastus, Thomas, 1542-1583. 1659 (1659) Wing E3217; Thomason E1783_2; ESTC R209663 63,863 128

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