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A01748 A true relation of the faction begun at VVisbich by Fa. Edmonds, alias VVeston, a Iesuite, 1595. and continued since by Fa. Walley, alias Garnet, the prouincall of the Iesuits in England, and by Fa. Parsons in Rome, with their adherents: against vs the secular priests their bretheren and fellow prisoners, that disliked of nouelties, and thought it dishonourable to the auncient ecclesiasticall discipline of the Catholike Church, that secular priests should be gouerned by Iesuits. Bagshaw, Christopher, d. 1625?; Watson, William, 1559?-1603. 1601 (1601) STC 1188; ESTC S100519 61,716 102

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he thought good Whereupon as disdaining to sit where he did before he bound himselfe afterwards to no certaine place but sate you must thinke for humilities sake now here now there as he list Moreouer notwithstanding our sayd reunion such abroade as had depraued vs poore Priests and charged vs as you haue heard did continue to shew their constancie in their former good wils towards vs iustifying in their common assemblies what before they had reported of vs. Maister Dolman who dealt like a very honest man to haue compounded all strifes amongst vs as is before expressed was likewise very sharply galled by them because he deemed their sayd separation from vs to be a sinne and that he had before greatly blamed them for making the Chappell at VVisbich their Buttery Which particulars being reprochfully cast into his teeth he maynteyned his former assertions adding that by their sayd prophaning that Chappell they were scandalous sacrilegious irregular and excommunicated persons Whereof maister Garnet hauing notice he desired maister Doctor Bagshaw by his letter to pacifie and stay maister Dolman from these or any such like speeches which might tend to the renewing of the memorie of our former breach Which maister Doctor Bagshaw vndertooke putting him the sayd Fa. Garnet notwithstanding in minde how vilely he the sayd maister Dolman had bin dealt with by such as he the sayd Garnet had great interest in in that first Fa. Parsons had set out the booke of Titles in maister Dolmans name which notwithstanding that he detested the contents of it might haue brought him into great danger and secondly for that one a iesuite vnder his commaund had very cunningly thrust him out of a place where of long time he had found great entertaynement and so wrought as foure pound yerely haue since bin deteyned from him which was giuen vnto him as a legacy by will Againe within some quarter of a yere after our sayd established concord great hartburning grew and many slaunderous speeches were cast abroade against some of vs by maister Weston and his old friends concerning a priest and prisoner with vs his escape ●●om Wisbich who being aduised so to do by some of that crue and with Fa. VVestons priuitie ●is taking againe was ascribed by them to maister Doctor Bagshaw and some others which gaue not only them occasion but many of their friends abroad to write and rayle against vs exceedingly Not long after viz. in September maister Archer a Iesuite that liued with vs in prison gaue an other occasion of very great garboyles by affirming that the stewes in Rome were there cum approbatione testified vnder the hands of Doctor Norden maister Buckley maister Meredith and Doctor Bagshaw that the stewes were as lawfull in Rome as any Citizen there testified vnder the hands of Doctor Norden maister Buckley and maister Meredith that the stewes were in Rome as lawfully as any Magistrate in that Citie testified vnder the hands of Doctor Norden and Doctor Bagshaw that the stewes were in Rome as lawfully as the Pope himselfe or any order of religious men testified vnder the hand of Doctor Norden and Doctor Bagshaw and that they were most necessarie testified vnder the hands of Doctor Norden maister Buckley and Doctor Bagshaw Which very lewde assertions comming to Fa. Westons eares and vnderstanding how they were impugned by maister D. Norden he the sayd M. Weston did take vpon him by a fond and false distinction to defend them Whereupon maister Doctor Bagshaw being drawne into that opposition diuers long treatises passed betwixt him and Fa. Weston he the sayd maister Doctor Bagshaw impugning those lewde positions and maister VVeston with all his shifts and skill laboring to defend them About these points there grew such parts-taking and hatred as that the sayd orders established amongst vs by maister Mush and maister Dudley in that they crossed these and such like demeanors were in the latter end of the yeare 1596. vtterly cashierd and reiected So as notwithstanding we kept commons still in the Hall together we liued God knoweth there with great disquietnes many of our old friends abroad being so farre drawne to Iesuitisme as that they blamed vs and tooke part with them in defence of these so abhominable absurdities And now it may please you to leaue vs in our sayd troubles and discontentments and to be aduertised of the beginning of a more bitter tragedie Whilest after our said peace we were lulled asleepe for a time in VVisbich by maister Garnets inchaunting letter of congratulation and exercised with the vniust afflictions of our brethren as before we haue touched he the sayd maister Garnet with his complices bestirred themselues and that secretly so as then we did not suspect or looke for any further plots to be in contriuing against vs. We will be bold to acquaint you with one of their notable stratagemes which argueth more wit and foresight then playne dealing or honestie It appeareth that by the Iesuites practises here amongst vs in disgracing and abusing the secular priests very shamefully there was some rumor thereof in Rome to the great impeachment of the Iesuites credits there being then as turbulent in that Citie in their dealing with our English Seminary as they had bin and were still firebrands amongst vs. For the better incountering of which rumor it being thought inconuenient that any of their owne calling by commending themselues should take vpon them that office a secular priest was found out a man of a quicker penne then either of wisedome or sinceritie who being well acquainted with all the iarres and quarrels betwixt vs and the Iesuites and hauing written himselfe a letter vnto vs as presuming to aduise men of farre greater experience then himselfe concerning our troubles about the sayd Agencie this man we say did so harden his forehead or in his simplicitie was so seduced as contrary to his owne conscience he writ the tenth of Ianuary 1596. to Card. Caietan● Protector of the English Seminary in the behalfe of the Iesuites a most false and impudent letter Wherein amongst many other things he assureth the Cardinall that of his owne knowledge for twenty yeeres there had not bin any dissension betwixt the secular priests and the Iesuites and that the reports made against these good Fathers concerning their ambition were so farre from the truth as that indeed the Iesuites were in all places most notable examples to the secular priests of singular humilitie gentlenes patience pietie and charitie The letter it selfe with some obseruations vpon it you shall finde amongst other things to this story annexed With this cunning trick of these good Fathers we were not then acquainted it was well handled of them that they had got so false a brother frō amongst our selues to fit their deseignements so aptly that is so lewdly according to their desire After that maister Weston had begun his said Agencie as hath been before mentioned our brethren abroad of the grauer and wiser sort began to foresee
A True relation of the faction begun at VVisbich by Fa. Edmonds alias VVeston a Iesuite 1595. and continued since by Fa. Walley alias Garnet the Prouinciall of the Iesuits in England and by Fa. Parsons in Rome with their adherents nouelties and thought it dishonourable to the auncient Ecclesiasticall Discipline of the Catholicke Church that Secular Priests should be gouerned by Iesuits Newly Imprinted 1601. To the true Catholick Reader IN such bookes as some of our brethren haue bin lately constrayned to set out for your satisfaction there is often mention made of the contention at Wisbich begun 1595. Of this contention there haue gone many reports and as yet the truth thereof hath not bin so fully published as it is conuenient the indirect course of our new aduersaries considered Such as are infected with our English Iesuitisme do ascribe all the blame in that behalfe vnto vs that are secular Priests in that we could not be brought to alter our old orders for the aduauncement of Fa. Weston a Iesuite to become our Gouernor or Agent as his faction tearmed him To make this matter therefore as cleare as the sunne and that no indiscreete Catholike may be ignorant of the truth herein if he will not wilfully shut his eyes or stop his eares as our Archpriest would haue them we haue thought it our duties to deliuer vnto you from point to point as in the sight of God the beginning and proceeding of those garboyles then amongst vs. And at this time we are the rather moued so to do because it hath pleased Maister Blackwell our sayd Arch-priest very lately to send to his twelue Assistants to be diuulged a certaine Censure or we know not what to tearme it a sheet of paper fraught neither with wit honest dealing discretion or learning but in effect with as many shifts and lyes almost as lines in derogation not only of some of the said bookes set out by our brethren tearming the same as if either he himselfe or some of his commaunders the Iesuites had made them to be seditious bookes but likewise taketh vpon him to touch the said contention not in many words but with much follie and great vntruth We will be bold by way of Preface a little to touch them These are his words The first point sayth he meaning the diuision at Wisbich was a thing long since ended with great edification and by the meanes principally of those which are most condemned It toucheth the greater and better part of that company It nothing concerneth our authoritie it being more auncient and hauing orders taken at the attonement by their owne consent It is well knowne at Rome by whose meanes they were disanulled Neither is it more vnfitting for those which liued in one house to institute rules for such as voluntarily demaunded and accepted them then to procure a sodality abroade Thus farre our Arch-priest and it is all he writeth to his assistants of this matter which we the rather note to shew the extremity of his pride in supposing by such an answere to the sayd bookes concerning that diuision to wipe away those imputations matters wherwith both Fa. Garnet Fa. Weston he himselfe in some sort are charged That which here he sayth either touching our contention at Wisbich or any thing whereof he hath written to his sayd assistants against the sayd bookes is fully answered in print by one of our brethren a true Catholick Priest We hartily pray you to procure the booke and then iudge of our Arch-priest as you finde him In the meane while and because this our treatise may come to your hands before the other although the history following doth sufficiently confute his words by vs now cited yet will we giue you some little tryall of our new Gouernors wisedome and sinceritie by that which here he writeth The first point sayth he was a thing long since ended And what then maister Blackwell will you reason thus It was long since ended ergo maister Garnet and maister Weston the firebrands of that garboile with their factious adherents are not to be blamed as our brethren haue writ of them in their sayd booke But we beseech you sir vpon your small credit tell vs is that contention long since ended Nay rather speake man is it ended as yet It was in effect whether it were meete and according to the auncient ecclesiasticall Discipline that a Iesuite should haue the commaundement ouer secular Priests And is this point yet decided There was we confesse as we thought an end made amongst vs 1596. by maister Mush and maister Dudley and that with edification but it fell out farre otherwise The edification you make mention of was nothing sutable to that edification whereof the Apostle speaketh but was much more agreeable to the building of Babell that tower of confusion For whilest we of the vnitie were quiet and supposed all had bin well maister Garnet and his subiect maister Weston were so moued that they had bin disappointed of their sayd gouernment amongst vs as like prowde Nymrods and boisterous hunters they cast about how to bring vs vnder them by an other stratageme ȧs by the historie it will appeare When he also further sayth that the end he mentioneth was made by the meanes principally of those which are most condemned he meaneth maister Garnet and maister Weston to be those principall persons or else his speech is senselesse and then also he writeth most falsely For true it is that the end which we supposed had bin made was compassed by maister Mush and maister Dudley full sore against the harts and good likings of the sayd two Iesuites Mary if he meane such an end of the sayd contention as they two propounded to themselues which was but an interim to a further mischiefe such an end as then they respected and sought after and do now perswade themselues to haue found it whilest maister Garnet ruleth the roast then indeede Fa. Garnet and Fa. Weston may truly be sayd to haue bin the especiall contriuers of it otherwise it proceedeth from incredible boldnes to pretend them to be authors of any good peace who breathe forth nothing but dissension and cruelty And where he sayth as we suppose that maister Garnet and maister Weston are two men now most condemned it is true that they are indeed condemned for their Machiuilian practises against their brethren being vnder pretence of their Fatherhoods so puft vp with pride and arrogancic as it is scarse probable to relate But yet some exception may iustly be taken to his words in that he sayth they are most condemned For in good sooth we thinke his maistership as farre too blame as either of them or more in that being a secular Priest he doth so tyrannize ouer his owne brethren by calling and hath not the wit to see how he is abused and made a puppie to daunce after their pipe and to execute what they do commaund him But it followeth for sooth
So as after true knowledge taken of the estate and disposition of both sides and remēbring what letters Father Weston his adherents had sent abroad against D. Bagshaw and maister Bluet and the rest of the thirteene vnited to the effect that no Catholicks should send them any reliefe or countenance them that therby through want they might be compelled to yeeld to the regiment imposed vpon them by Father Garnet they repented them of some courses which formerly they had held against vs and desired verie instantlie these two learned Priests to goe back againe to Wisbich and to spare no paines vntill they had brought vs all to peace concord giuing them great thanks praise and benediction for that which they had done alreadie Whereunto they answered that they could be well content to spend if it were their liues to bring that to passe but at Wisbich they thought they could doe no good except they could first perswade him to order who had been the authour and contriuer of those nouelties which had procured such garboyles there and that was as they were informed Father Garnet the Prouinciall of the Iesuits If we can sayd they bring him to argue with vs touching that action we doubt not but that we shall preuaile with him and then our trouble is in effect at an end before we begin Eius est soluere cuius est ligare his letters to maister Weston his fauourers were the cause of their separation and a word from him will be sufficient to reunite them Now as God would haue it it so fell out that according to their desire they met with maister Garnet who at their first incounter seemed to be inexorable affirming that he saw no reason why the Iesuits might not gouerne and haue as well the preheminence ouer all the secular priests in England as they had at Rome ouer the English Seminarie With which proude answere they were somewhat sharpened and entred more roundlIe into farther communication with him no whit fearing to tell him what they thought aswell of his said wordes vnto them as of other the Iesuits proceedings in matters of state succession of the Crowne and such like hauing latelie perused maister Parsons booke of titles and also what account the secular Priests haue had with all true Catholickes before his societie was borne and must still haue of necessitie except God in his secret iudgement doe purpose some greater ouerthrow to the Catholicke faith then they relying vpon his mercie did any wayes expect Manie words passed betwixt them and some in such heat as he threatned to be euen with them for their good wils to the Iesuits but in the end hee was content to yeeld vnto them and bidding them farewell did write his letters to maister Weston D. Bagshaw and some others of his pleasure and purpose that the said Agencie should be committed to their further consideration to be either retained or disanulled as they should thinke meete very hartilie desiring them so to compound all matters amongst themselues as that hereafter they might liue in quietnes Amongst many fayre florishes vsed by him to maister Doctor Bagshaw he writeth thus Edmundum meū tibi socium adiutorem adhibeo In this busines I assigne vnto you as your company on and assistant my beloued maister Edmonds And againe hisce ego literis eum vehementer moneo c. by these my letters to you I do earnestly admonish him maister Edmonds alias Weston and also in the name of our Lord Iesus Christ and in the vertue of his obedience commaund him that he apply his minde seriously to the propounding and establishing of some rules whereby an honest and firme friendship may grow and continue amongst you And in an other of his letters to a friend of his in Wisbich at that time he sayth after this sort I do determine that if an agreement be not now made to write to the 20. that Fa. Edmonds may liue priualty as the rest all or some by course performing that which was laid vpon him What he writ to Fa. Weston we know not but craftily inough we are assured by his practises towards vs since being as meere a Iesuite as if he had bin spit out of Fa. Parsons mouth The aforesayd two godly Priests hauing wrought with maister Garnet as you haue heard returned to Wisbich where notwithstanding the sayd letters they found Fa. Weston exceeding loth to lay downe the scepter of his Agencie casting out some words as though he had not bin bound in that case to the obedience of his Prouinciall Howbeit maister Mush and maister Dudley so vrged him before all the company that sundry of his owne adherents perceiuing how the matter went began to draw back from him and sayd they would haue peace with their brethren and diuide themselues no longer from them Whereupon quoth maister Weston very pitifully Ha my maisters will you for sake me thus I would neuer haue left you but sith it is so I am content to giue ouer and thus speaking corruit inter manus discipulorū he fell downe as if he had bin in a swoune and much ado there was in recouering him This entrance towards our vnity being made then many things came in course to be debated and particularly the report of theft published abroade by them of the Agenage viz. that maister Bluet and maister Potter had riotously deteyned from them so much Pewter and other furniture as amounted to the value of 17. pound and that they could haue no iustice for the recouering of it And first for the better triall thereof Fa. Weston maister Bluet and maister Potter were required by the sayd two Priests that they would cause all the Pewter and other kitchin furniture which they had in their hands seuerally to be brought forth which was done by them all accordingly Then maister Mush and maister Dudley sent for a Pewterer and willed him to view all the sayd Pewter and kitchin furniture and to tell them truly what he iudged it to be worth which vpon due consideration and view had of it by the sayd party he affirmed it to be all scarce worth foure pound Well then sayd maister Mush yesterday you maister mine naming the partie exclaimed that we had not the courage to say with Saint Iohn Baptist non licet tibi habere but now we aunswere that although we are not comparable to Saint Iohn Baptist yet as Priests must tell you playnely non licet it is not lawfull for you to infame and belye your fellow-prisoners as we find you haue dealt with M. Bluet and M. Potter For we saw your letters abroade wherein you charged them two to with-hold from you 17. pound value in Pewter and kitchin furniture and now we see that all that both you and they haue is scarce worth 4. pound And therefore we say againe with Saint Iohn Baptist non licet You ought not so to haue belyed them but are bound in conscience to aske them