but Prudence in me to believe my self above such Trifles who have written a Book to Eternity Fourthly I regreat not to be Anvile for any ingenious Hammer to make pleasant musick on but it seems my Traducer was not so happy Lastly I remember a speech oâ— Sir Walter Rawleighs If any saith he speaketh against me to my face my Tongue shall give him an Answer but my back-side is good enough to return to him who abuseth me behind my back Dr. Heylyn In the next ranck of Impertinencies which are more intrinseall part of the substance of the work I account his Heraldry Blazons of Arms Descents of noble Families with their Atchivements intermingled as they come in his way not pertinent I am sure to a Church-Historian unless such persons had been Founders of Episcopal Sees or Religious-Houses or that the Arms so blazoned did belong to either Fuller I answer in generall Those passages of Heraldry are put in for variety and diversion to refresh the wearied Reader They are never used without asking of leave before or craving pardon after the inserting thereof and such craving is having a request in that kind with the Ingenious Grant it ill manners in the Author not to ask it is ill nature in the Reader not to grant so small a suit Mr. Camden in his description of Oxfordshire hath a prolixe though not tedious poeme of the marriage of Thame and Isis which he ushereth in with Si placet vel legas vel negligas read or reject either set by it or set it by as the Reader is disposed The same though not expressed is implied in all such Digressions which may be said to be left unprinted in Effect to such as like them not their Ploughs may make Balks of such deviations and proceed to more serious matter Dr. Heylyn Our Author tells us lib. 9. fol. 151. that knowledge in the Laws of this Land is neither to be expected or required in one of his profession and yet I trow considering the great influence which the Laws have upon Church-matters the knowledge of the Law cannot be so unnecessary in the way of a Clergy-man as the study of Heraldry But granting Heraldry to be an Ornament in all them that have it yet is it no ingredient requisit to the composition of an Ecclesiastical History The Copies of Battle-Abbey Roll fitter for Stow and Hollinshead where before we had them can in an History of the Church pretend to no place at all though possibly the names of some may be remembred as their Foundations or Endowments of Churches give occasion for it The Arms of Knight-Errant billeted in the Isle of Ely by the Norman Conqueror is of like extravagancy Such also is the Catalogue of those noble Adventurers with their Arms Issue and Atchievements who did accompany King Richard the first to the War of Palestine which might have better serv'd as an Appendix to his History of the Holy War then found a place in the main Body of an History of the Church of England Which three alone besides many intercalations of that kind in most parts of the Book make up eight sheets more inserted onely for the ostentation of his skill in Heraldry in which notwithstanding he hath fallen on as palpable Errors as he hath committed in his History Fuller Mr. Fox in his Acts and Monuments hath done the like presenting the names of such who came over at the Norman Conquest I have only made their Catalogue more complete And seeing it was preserved in Battle-Abbey the very addition of Abbey doth dye it with some Ecclesiastical tincture The Arms of the Knights of Ely might on a threefold title have escaped the Animadvertor's censure First they was never before printed Secondly the Wall whereon they were depicted is now demolished Lastly each Knight being blended or as I may say empaled with a Monk a Moiety of that Mixture may be construed reducible to Church-History As for the Arms of some signal persons atchieved in the HOLY-WAR If the Sirname of WAR be secular the Christian name thereof HOLY is Ecclesiastical and so rendred all actions therein within the latitude of Church-History to an ingenuous Reader Dr. Heylyn For besides those which are observed in the course of this work I find two others of that kind in his History of Cambridge to be noted there For fol. 146. he telleth us That Alice Countess of Oxford was Daughter and sole Heir of Gilbert Lord Samford which Gilbert was Hereditary Lord Chamberlain of England But by his leave Gilbert Lord Samford was never the hereditary Chamberlain of the Realm of England but only Chamberlain in Fee to the Queens of England betwixt which Offices how vast a difference there is let our Authour judge Fuller I plead in my own defence according to my last general Answer that I have charged my Margin with my Authoâ— Mr. Parker Fellow of Caius College in Cambridge one known for a most abâ—â— Antiquary but especially in Heraldry and I thought that he had lighten on some rare Evidence out of the ordinary road but seeing he was mistaken I will amend it God willing in my next Edition Dr. Heylyn And secondly The Honor of Lord Chamberlain of England came not unto the Earls of Oxford by that Marriage or by any other but was invested in that Family before they had attained the Title and Degree of Earls Conferred by King Henry the first on Aubrey de Vere a right puissant Person and afterwards on Aubrey de Vere his Son together with the Earldome of Oxford by King Henry the second continuing Hereditary in that House till the death of Robert Duke of Ireland the ninth Earl thereof and then bestowed for a time at the Kings discretion and at last setled by King Charls in the House of Lindsey Fuller This is nothing Confutatory of Me who never affirmed that the High-Chamberlainship accrued to the House of Oxford by any such match Dr. Heylyn But because being a Cambridge Man he may be better skill'd in the Earls of that County let us see what he saith of them and we shall find fol. 162. That Richard Plantagenet Duke of York was the eighth Earl of Cambridge Whereas first Richard Duke of York was not Earl of Cambridge Fuller He was he was he was as presently God willing will appear beyond all doubt and contradiction Dr. Heylyn And secondly If he had been such he must have been the seventh Earl and not the eighth For thus those Earls are marshalled in our Catalogues of Honor and Books of Heraldry viz. 1. William de Meschines 2. Iohn de Hainalt 3. William Marquess of Iuliers 4. Edmond of Langley D. of York 5. Edward D. of York 6. Richard de Conisburgh younger Brother of Edward 7. Iames Marquess Hamilton c. Fuller Indeed they are thus reckoned up in a late little and useful Book entituled The Help of History made as I am credibly informed by the Animadvertor himself and therefore by him wel
I know that as the Times stand I am to expect nothing for my pains and Travel but the displeasure of some and censure of others Fuller I will take no advantage by the Times and if without their help I cannot Bwoy up my credit let it sink for ever And I humbly desire all who have or may reap benefit by my Books not to be displeased with the Animadvertor in my behalfe It is Punishment enough that he hath written and too much for his Stationer that he hath printed so impertinent a Book When Henry Lord Hunsdon on the High-way had in Passion given a Blow to Sir Henry Colt the Lord had it returned him the Principal with Interest and when the Lord his Servants and Followers began to draw their Swords Away away said he cannot I and my Neighbour exchange a Box on the Ear but you must interest your selves in the matter Let none of my Friends and Favourers engage their anger in this difference betwixt Mee and the Animadvertor Let us alone and although we enter Adversaries in the Beginning wee shall I hope go out friends at the end of the Contest after there hath been a Pass or two betwixt our Selves Thus Heats betwixt Lawyers born at the Bar in Westminster-Hall are commonly buryed at the Board in the Inns of Court Dr. Heylyn But coming to the work with a single Heart abstracted from all self-ends and Interests I shall satisfie my Self with having done this poor Service to the Church my once blessed Mother for whose sake only I have put my Self upon this Adventure The party whom I am to deal with is so much a stranger to me that he is neither beneficio nec injuriâ notus and therefore no particular respects have mov'd me to the making of these Animadversions Which I have writ without Relation to his person for vindication of the Truth the Church and the injured Clergy as before is said So that I may affirm with an honest Conscience Non lecta est operi sed data causa meo That this imployment was not chosen by me but impos'd upon me the unresistable Intreaties of so many friends having something in them of Commands But howsoever Iacta est alea as Caesar once said when he passed over the Rubicon I must now take my fortune whatsoever it proves So God speed me well Fuller How much of this SELF-DENYING ORDINANCE is performed by him let the Reader judge in due time I am glad to hear this Passage from the Animadvertor that I never did him any Injury the rather because some of my Friends have charged me for provoking his Pen against me And though I pleaded that neither in Thought Word or Deed I ever did him any wrong I hardly prevailed with them for beliefe And now the Animadvertor hath cleared me that I never did any Injury unto him Would I could say the same of him that he never did me any Injury However as a Christian I here fully and freely forgive him and hereafter will endevour as a Scholar so to defend my self against his Injury that God willing it shall not shake my Contentment Without relation to my person let the Reader be Judge hereof Indeed Thomas hath been well used by him but Fuller hath soundly felt his displeasure However if Truth the Church and Clergy have been abused by me He hath given Me too fair quarter who deserved Death down-right for so hainous an Offence Amongst all which Persons inciting him to write against me one Letter sent to him from Regina Pecunia was most prevalent with him Witnesse this his Book offered to and refused by some Stationers because on his high terms they could not make a saving Bargain to themselves Iacta est alea. The English is you have cast the Dey And seeing the Animadvertor hath begun the Metaphor I hope I may make it an Allegory without rendring either of us Scandalous I appeal to the Reader whom I make Groom Porter termed by Mr. Camb. Aleatorum Arbiter and let him judge who plays with False who Coggs who slurrs a Dey and in a doubtful Case when we cannot agree upon the Cast betwixt our selves let him decide it By Fortune I presume the Animadvertor intendeth nothing derogatory to divine Providence in which Sense St. Augustin retracteth his former frequent using of the Word Only he meaneth uncertainty of Successe In which notion I say an hearty Amen to his Prayer when I have enlarged his God speed me into God speed US well May he who manageth this Controversie with most Sincerity come off with best Successe AMEN Errata confessed by the Printer of Dr. Heylyns Animadversions PAge 10. line 17. for Helkinus r. Telkinus p. 20. l. 21. for Queen of r. Queen of England p. 27. l. 6. for Wooderpoir r. Woodensdike p. 42. l. 1. for inconsideratenesse r. the inconsideratenesse of Children p. 121. l. f28 for ter r. better p. 145. l. 2. for statuendoâ— statuendi p. 15 l. 22. Horconâ—nar r. cantuur p. 154. l. 17. for Dr. Hammond r. Dr. Boke p. 160. l. 1. for his r. this p. 163. l. 28. for Jesuites r. Franciscans p. 189. l. ult 2 or contemn r. confession p. 221. in the Marg. for whether r. with other p. 228. l. 2. for Den r. Dean p. 239. l. 9. for Commons r. Canons p. 271. l. ult for culis r. oculâ—s Fuller THis is a Catalogue of Prelal Misâ—akes committed and confessed in the Doctor 's Book of Animadversions and here by me inserted not to disparage the pains of câ—re of the Printer but on these Considerations First to prevent all Exceptions that I have defectively presented in his Book Secondly to show that sometimes as here there may be an Erratum Erratorum to be re-reformed It thus beginneth Page 10. l. 17. for Melkinus r. Tolkinus That is read that which is wrong instead of thaâ— which was right before For a Mâ—lkinus Avalonius appeareth in Bale Pits and others but a Telkinus was never in Nature But Take notice also of this confessed Mistake p. 163. l. 28. for Iesuits r. Franciscans There is here no temptation to the Press to Erre there being betwixt the two Words no literal Similitude or Orthographical Symbolizing scarce a letter in the one which is in the other I make no other use hereof save only to crave the like Favour in my own Defence when in the Earls of March Roger is misprinted Edward and in the Earls of Bath Henry is misprinted William in my Church History I confess there be some Press faults in this my Book as for Prelial wherever occurring read Prelal part 1. p. 50. l. 32. for Anno Dom. 580 r. 560. part 1. p. 52. l. 18. for DEMOL r. DEINOL and part 2. page 88. betwixt the 33. and 34 l. insert I pray Papists Non-conformists and covetous Conformists the Acts therein appearing like For the rest I hope they are nothing so many or great as to discompose the sense and therefore I confide in
have thought that to call him an Advocate for the Stews had not been enough But that Doctor was not half so wise as our Author is and doth not fit each Argument with a several Antidote as our Author doth hoping thereby but vainly hoping that the arguments alledged will be wash'd away Some of our late Criticks had a like Designe in marking all the wanton and obscene Epigrams in Martial with a Hand or Asterism to the intent that young Scholars when they read that Author might be fore-warn'd to passe them over Whereas on the contrary it was found that too many young fellows or wonton wits â—s our Author calls them did ordinarily skip over the rest and pitch on those which were so mark't and set out unto them And much I fear that it will so fall out with our Author also whose Arguments will be studied and made use of when his Answers will not Fuller The commendable Act of King Henry the eighth in suppressing the Stews may well be reported in Church-History it being recorded in Scripture to the eternal praise of King Asa that he took away the Sodomites out of the Land I hope my collection of arguments in confutation of such Styes of Lust will appear to any rational Reader of sufficient validity Indeed it is reported of Zeuxes that famous Painter that he so lively pictured a Boy with a Rod in his hand carrying a Basket of Grapes that Birds mistaking them for real ones peckt at them and whilest others commended his Art he was angry with his own work-manship confessing that if he had made the Boy but as well as the Grapes the Birds durst not adventure at them I have the same just cause to be offended with my own indeavors if the Arguments against those Schools of Wantonnesse should prove insufficient though I am confident that if seriously considered they doe in their own true weight preponderate those produced in favour of them However if my well-intended pains be abused by such who onely will feed on the poisons wholy neglecting the Antidotes their destruction is of themselves and I can wash my hands of any fault therein But me thinks the Animadvertor might well have passed this over in silence for fear of awaking sleeping wontonnesse jogged by this his Note so that if my Arguments onely presented in my Book be singly this his Animadversion is doubly guilty on the same account occasioning loose eyes to reflect on that which otherwise would not be observed Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 253. Otherwise some suspect had he survived King Edward the sixth we might presently have heard of a King Henry the ninth Our Author speaks this of Henry Fitz Roy the Kings natural Son by Elizabeth Blunt and the great disturbance he might have wrought to the Kings two daughters in their Succession to the Crown A Prince indeed whom his Father very highly cherished creating him Duke of Somerset and Richmond Earl of Nottingham and Earl Marshal of England and raising him to no small hopes of the Crown it self as appears plainly by the Statute 22 H. 8. c. 7. But whereas our Author speaks it on a supposition of his surviving King Edward the sixth he should have done well in the first place to have inform'd himself whether this Henry and Prince Edward were at any time alive together And if my Books speak true they were not Henry of Somerset and Richmond dying the 22 of Iuly Anno 1536. Prince Edward not being born till the 12 of October Anno 1537. So that if our Author had been but as good at Law or Grammar as he is at Heraldry he would not have spoke of a Survivor-ship in such a case when the one person had been long dead before the other was born Fuller Terms of Law when used not in Law-Books nor in any solemn Court but in common Discourse are weaned from their critical sense and admit more latitude If the word surviving should be tied up to legal strictnesse Survivour is appliable to none save onely to such who are Ioint-tenants However because co-viving is properly required in a Survivor those my words had he survived shall be altered into had he lived to survive Prince Edward and then all is beyond exception Dr. Heylin These incoherent Animadversions being thus passed over we now proceed to the Examination of our Authors Principles for weakning the Authority of the Church and subjecting it in all proceedings to the power of Parliaments Concerning which he had before given us two Rules Preparatory to the great businesse which we have in hand First that the proceedings of the Canon Law were subject in whatsoever touched temporals to secular Laws and National Customes And the Laitie at pleasure limited Canons in this behalf Lib. 3. n. 61. And secondly that the King by consent of Parliament directed the proceedings of the Ecclesiastical Court in cases of Heresie Lib. 4. n. 88. And if the Ecclesiastical power was thus curbed and fettered when it was at the highest there is no question to be made but that it was much more obnoxious to the secular Courts when it began to sink in reputation and decline in strength How true and justifiable or rather how unjustifiable and false these two principles are we have shewn already and must now look into the rest which our Author in pursuance of the main Design hath presented to us But first we must take notice of another passage concerning the calling of Convocations or Synodical meetings formerly called by the two Archbishops in their several Provinces by their own sole and proper power as our Author grants fol. 190. to which he adds Fol. 190. But after the Statute of Premunire was made which did much restrain the Papal power and subject it to the Laws of the Land when Arcbishops called no more Convocations by their sole and absolute command but at the pleasure of the King In which I must confesse my self to be much unsatisfied though I finde the same position in some other Authors My reasons two 1. Because there is nothing in the Statuâ—e of Praemunire to restrain the Archbishops from calling these meetings as before that Act extending onely to such as purchase or pursue or cause to be purchased or pursued in the Court of Rome or elsewhere any such Translations Processes Sentences of Excommunication Bulls Instruments or any other things whatsoever which touch the King against him his Crown and his Regality or his Realm or to such as bring within the Realm or them receive or make thereof notification or any other Execution whatsoever within the same Realm or without c. And secondly because I finde in the Statute of the submission of the Clergy that it was recognized and acknowledged by the Clergie in their Convocation that the Convocation of the said Clergie is alwaies hath been and ought to be assembled alwaies by the Kings Writ And if they had been alwaies call'd by the Kings Writ then
dissensionem consensum in vera Religione firmandum that is to say to take away diversitie of Opinions and to establish an agreement in the true Religion Which end could never be effected if men were left unto the liberty of dissenting or might have leave to put their own sense upon the Articles But whereas our instances in the Article of Christs descent into Hell telling us that Christs preaching unto the Spirits there on which the Article seemed to be grounded in King Edwards Book was left out in this and thereupon inferreth that men are left unto a latitude concerning the cause time manner of his discent I must needs say that he is very much mistaken For first the Church of England hath alwaies constantly maintained a local Descent though many which would be thought her Children the better to comply with Calvin and some other Divines of forain Nations have deviated in this point from the sense of the Church And secondly the reason why this Convocation left out that passage of Christ preaching to the spirits in hell was not that men might be left unto a latitude concerning the cause time and manner of his Descent as our Author dreams but because that passaage of St. Peter being capable of some other interpretations was not conceived to be a clear and sufficient evidence to prove the Article For which see Bishop Bilsons Survey p. 388.389 Fuller I cannot fully concur with the Animadvertor That the Church of England hath constantly maintained a LOCAL DESCENT though no man hath an higher esteem for those worthy Writers who are of that perswasion I will confess this hitherto hath staggered me viz. St. Peter his application of Davids words to Christ thou shalt not leave my soul in hel I appeal whether these words import not a favour to all unprejudiced hearers which God did to his Son bearing this natural and unviolated sense That had God left Christs soul in hell his soul had been in a bad condition as being there in a suffering capacity but Gods Paternal affection to his dear Son would not leave his soul in hell but did rescue it thence Now all our Protestant and especially English Writers who maintain a LOCAL DESCENT doe very worthily in opposition to the Romish Error defend that Christ was then in a good estate yea in a triumphing condition Now then it had been no favour not to leave his soul in Hell but a less love unto him to contract his happiness in his triumph I protest that in this or any other point I am not possest with a spirit of opposition and when I am herein satisfied in any good degree I shall become the Animadvertors thankful Convert in this particular Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 74. In a word concerning this clause whether the Bishops were faulty in their addition or their opposites in their substraction I leave to more cunning Arithmeticians to decide The Clause here spoken of by our Author is the first Sentence in the twentieth Article entituled De Ecclesiae Authoritate where it is said that the Church hath power to decree Rites and Ceremonies and Authority in Controversies of the Faith c. Fuller To this and to what ensueth in two leaves following I return no answer not because I am pinched therein with any matter of moment but for these reasons following First I understand That the Animadvertors Stationer taketh exception that I have printed all his book which may tend to his detriment Now I protest when I â—irst took up this resolution to present the Animadvertors whole Cloth List Fagg and all I aimed not at his damage but my own defence noâ— can I see how I could doe otherwise seeing the plaister must be as broad as the sore the tent as deep as the wound yea I have been inâ—ormed by prime Stationers the like hath formerly been done without exception taken on either side in the Replies and Rejoynders betwixt Dr. Whitgift and Mr. Cartwright and many others However being willing to avoid all appearance of injury I have left out some observations which I conceived might well be spared as containing no pungent matter against me Secondly I am confident That there needs no other answer to these notes then the distinct and serious perusal of my Church History with the due alteration of favour indulged to all writings Lâ—stly What of moment in these notes is omitted by me relateth to those two Church Questions in Law which I have formerly desired may fairly be ventilated betwixt the Animadvertor and me and if he be sensible That any thing herein tendeth to his advantage he may and no doubt will re-assume and enforce the same Dr. Heylin From the Articles our Author proceeds unto the Homilies approved in those Articles and of them he tels us Fol. 75. That if they did little good they did little harm With scorn and insolence enough Those Homilies were so composed as to instruct the people in all positive Doctrines necessary for Christian men to know with reference both to Faith and Manners and being penned in a plain style as our Author hath it were fitter for the edification of the common people than either the strong lines of some or the flashes of vain wit in others in these latter times c. Fuller With scorn and insolence I defie the words The Animadvertor might have added my words immediately following viz. They preached not strange Doctrines to People as too many vent DARKNESSES now a dayes intituled New Ligâ—ts And well had it been for the peace and happiness of the Church if the Animadvertor and all of his Party had had as high an esteem as the Author hath for the Homilies If none of them had called them HOMELY HOMILIES as one did And if they had conformed their practise to the second Homilie in the second Book and not appeared so forward in countenancing Images of God and his Saints in Churches Dr. Heylin The Author proceeds Fol. 76. The English Bishops conceiving themselves impowred by their Canons began to shew their authority in urging the Clergy of their Diocess to subscribe to the Liturgy Ceremonies and Discipline of the Church and such as refused the same were branded with the odious name of Puritans Our Author having given the Parliament a power of confirming no Canons as before was shewed he brings the Bishops acting by as weak Authority in the years 1563. 1564. there being at that time no Canons for them to proceed upon for requiring their Clergy to subscribe to the Liturgies Ceremonies and Discipline of the Church And therefore if they did any such thing it was not as they were impowred by their Canons but as they were inabled by that Authority which was inherent naturally in their Episcopal Office Fuller I profess my self not to understand the sense of the Animadvertor and what he driveth at herein And as soon as I shall understand him I will either fully concur with him or fairly
Commissioners More of this fine stuff we may see hereafter In the mean time we may judge by this remnant of the whole Piece and find it upon proof to be very sleight and not worth the wearing For first the Gentleman could not and our Author cannot chuse but know that a Convocation and a Synod as us'd in England of late times are but the same one thing under divers names the one borrowed from a Grecian the other from a Latin Originall The Convocation of the Clergy of the Province of Canterbury being nothing but a Provinciall Synod as a Nationall Synod is nothing else but the Convocation of the Clergy of both Provinces Secondly our Author knowes by this time that the Commission which seems to makes this doughty difference changed not the Convocation into a Synod as some vainly think but onely made that Convocation active in order to the making of Canons which otherwise had been able to proceed no further then the grant of Subsidies Thirdly that nothing is more ordinary then for the Convocations of all times since the Reformation to take unto themselves the name of Synods For the Articles of Religion made in the Convocation Anno 1552. are called in the Title of the Book Articuli de quibus in Synodo Londinensi convenit c. The same name given to those agreed on in the Convocation Anno 1562. as appears by the Title of that Book also in the Latin Edition The Canons of the year 1571. are said to be concluded and agreed upon in Synodo inchoatâ Lond. in aede Divi Pauli c. In the year 1575. came out a Book of Articles with this Title following viz. Articles whereupon it was agreed by the most reverend father in God the Arch-bishop of Canterbury and other the Bishops and the whole Clergy in the Province of Canterbury in the Convocation or synod holden at Westminster The like we find in the year 1597. being the last active Convocation in Queen Elizabeth's time in which we meet with a Book entituled Constitutiones Ecclesiasticae c. in Synodo inchoatâ Londini vicesimo quinto die mensis Octobris Fuller I request the Reader would be pleased to call to his remembrance a passage of the Animadvertors on my fifth Book relating to the Reigne of King Henry the Eighth I must confess my self to be at a loss in this intricate Labyrinth unless perhaps there were some criticall difference between a SYNOD and a CONVOCATION the first being called by the Arch-bishops in their severall and respective Provinces as the necessities of the Church the other onely by the King as his occasions and affairs did require the same I find my self now in the like labyrinth and can meet with no Ariadne's thread to extricate my self I confess commonly CONVOCATION and SYNOD pass for Synonyma's signifying one and the same thing yet some make this nice difference 1. Convocation which is in the beginning and ending parallel with the Parliament 2. Synod which is called by the King out of Parliament I acknowledge my self a Seeker in this point and will not wilfully bolt mine eyes against the beams of Truth by whomsoever delivered Mean time I crave leave to enter this my dissatisfaction herein seeing the Animadvertor so lately did confess his in a thing of the like nature Dr. Heylyn Our Author finally is to know that though the members of the two Convocations of York and Canterbury did not meet in person yet they communicated their counsells the results of the one being dispatcht unto the other and there agreed on or rejected as they saw cause for it Fuller I am not to know it for I knew it before and nothing in my Book appears to the contrary that the two Provinciall Synods privately did communicate their transactions as they were in fieri in the making and at last publickly viz. when We at Westminster had compleated the Canons by Our subscription thereunto Dr. Heylyn Which laid together shewes the vanity of another passage in the Speech of Sir Edward Deering where he vapoureth thus viz. A strange Commission wherein no one Commissioner's name is to be found a strange Convocation that lived when the Parliament was dead a strange holy Synod where one part never saw never conferred with the other Lastly Sir Edward Deering seems to marvell at the Title of the Book of Canons then in question expressing that they were treated upon in Convocation agreed upon in Synod And this saith he is a new Mould to cast Canons in never us'd before But had he looked upon the Title of the Book of Canons Anno 1603. he had found it otherwise The Title this viz. Constitutions and Canons Ecclesiasticall treated by the Bishop of London President of the Convocation for the Province of Canterbury c. and agreed upon with the Kings Majesty's licence in their Synod begun at London Anno 1603. And so much for the satisfaction of all such persons whom either that Gentleman or this our Author have mis-informed and consequently abused in this particular Fuller He hath now vapoured out that which by the Apostle is termed even a vapour which appeareth for a little time and then vanisheth away Being dead the Animadvertor might have spared this expression upon him I believe neither he nor the Author did wittingly or willingly mis-informe any and therefore cannot by any charitable pen be justly condemned for abusing them Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds Ibid. Now because great Bodies move slowly c. it was thought fit to contract the Synod into a select Committee of some twenty six beside the Prolocutor No such contracting of the Synod as our Author speaks of There was indeed a Committee of twenty six or thereabouts appointed to consider of a Canon for uniformity in some Rites and Ceremonies of which number were the principall of those whom he calls Dissenters and our Author too amongst the rest who having agreed upon the Canon it was by them presented to the rest of the Clergy in Convocation and by them approv'd And possible it is that the drawing up o◠some other Canons might be referr'd also to that Committee as is accustomed in such cases without contracting the whole House into that small body or excluding any man from being present at their Consultation Fuller I know not what offence the word contracting may give but my meaning obvious to any Reader is this that a select Committee was appointed to prepare matters of greatest importance No member being excluded from being present at but from giving a Vote in that Consultation Dr Heylyn But whereas our Author afterwards tells us that nothing should be accounted the Act of the House till thrice as he takes it publickly voted therein It is but as he takes it or mistakes it rather and so let it go Fuller He might have allowed me the liberty of that modest Parenthesis without carping at it Some things I confesse having since better informed my self passed at the first
lawfull and undoubted Soveraign Liege Lady and Queen Add unto these the Testimony of Sir Edward Cook though a private person who in his Book of the Jurisdiction of Courts published by order of the long Parliament chap. 1. doth exprâ—sly say That the Parliament consists of the Head and Body that the Head is the King that the Body are the three Estates viz. the Lords Spirituall and Temporall and Commons In which words we have not onely the opinion and testimony of that learned Lawyer but the Authority of the long Parliament also though against it selfe Those aged Bishops had been but little studied in their owne concernments and betray'd their Rights if any of them did acknowledge any such mistake in challenging to themselves the name and priviledges of the third Estate Fuller In this long discourse the Animadvertor hath given in the severall Particulars whereof I in my Church-History gave the Totall summe when saying that there were passages in the old Statutes which did countenance the Bishops sitting in Parliament in the Capacity of a THIRD ESTATE I have nothing to returne in Opposition and heartily wish that his Arguments to use the Sea-man's phrase may prove stanche and tight to hold water when some Common-Lawyer shall examine them But seeing the Animadvertor hath with his commendable paines goâ— so farre in this point I could wish he had gon a little further even to answer the two Common Objections against the THIRD-ESTATE SHIP of Bishops The First is this The Bishop not to speak of Bishops Suffragan of the Isle of Man is a Bishop for all purposes and intents of Jurisdiction and ordination yet hath he no place in Parliament because not holding per In egram Baroniam by an Intire Barony Now if Bishops sat in Parliament as a THIRD-ESTATE and not as so many Barons why hath not the Bishop of Man being in the Province of York a place in Parliament as well as the rest Secondly If the Bishops sit as a THIRD-ESTATE then Statutes made without them are manâ— and defective which in law will not be allowed seeing there were some Sessions of Parliament wherein Statutes did passe Excluso Clero at least wise Absente Clero which notwithstanding are acknowledged Obligatory to our Nation I also request him when his Hand is in to satisfie the Objection taken from a passage in the Parliament at Northampton under Henry the Second when the Bishops challenged their Peerage viz. Non sedemus hîc Episcopi sed Barones Nos Barones vos Barones Pares hîc sumus We sit not here as Bishops but as Barons We are Barons You are Barons here we are peers which is much inforced by Anti-Episcopists And whereas the Animadvertor translated it not as Bishops onely it is more then questionable that this interpolation ONLY will not be admitted by such who have a mind curiously to examine the matter I protest my integrity herein that I have not started these Objections of my selfe having had them urged against me and though I can give a bungling Answer unto them I desire that the Animadvertor being better skill'd in Law would be pleased if it ever comes again in his way to returne an Answer as short and clear as the Objections are and I and many more will be bound to returne him thanks Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds Fol. 196. The Conâ—ocation now not sitting and matters of Religion being brought under the cognizance of the Parliament their Wisdoms adjudged it not onely convenient but necessary that some prime Clergy men might be consulted with It seems then that the setting up of the new Assembly consisting of certain Lords and Gentlemen and two or more Divines out of every County must be ascrib'd to the not sitting of the Convocation Whereas if that had been the reason the Convocation should have been first warned to re-assemble with liberty and safe conducts given them c. Fuller The Animadvertor now enters the list with the WISDOMS in Parliament who are most able to justifie their owne Act. Mean time my folly may stand by in silence unconcerned to return any Answer Dr. Heylyn Fol. 198. It savours something oâ— a Prelaticall Spirit to be offended about Precedency I see our Author is no Changeling Primus ad extremum similis sibi the very same at last as he was at the first Certainly if it savour of a Prelaticall Spirit to contend about Precedencies that Spirit by some â—ythagorean Metempsychosis hath passed into the bodies of the Presbyterians whose pride had swell'd them in conceit above Kings and Princes and thus cometh home to our Author c. Fuller If it cometh home unto me I will endeavour God-willing to thrust it far from me by avoiding the odious sin of Pride And I hope the Presbyterians will herein make a reall and practicall refutation of this note in Evidencing more Humility hereafter seasonably remembring they are grafted on the Stock of the Bishops and are concerned not to be high-minded but feare lest if God spared not Episcopacy for what sins I am not to enquire peaceably possessed above a Thousand years of Power in the Church of England take heed that he spare not Presbytery also which is but a Probationer on its good behaviour especially if by their insolence they offend God and disoblige our Nation the generality whereof is not over-fond of their Goâ—ernment Dr. Heylyn Our Author proceeds Fol. 203. We listen not to their fancy who have reckoned the words in the Covenant six hundred sixty six c. I must confesse my selfe not to be so much a Pythagorean as to find Divinity in Numbers nor am taken with such Mysteries as some fancy in them And yet I cannot chuse but say that the Number of Six hundred sixty six words neither more nor less which are found in the Covenant though they conclude nothing yet they signifie something Our Author cannot chuse but know what pains were taken even in the times of Irenaeus to find out Antichrist by this number Some thinking then that they had found it in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with reference to the persecuting Roman Emperours Some Protestants think that they had found it in a Dedication to Pope Paul the fifth which was Paulo V to Vice-Deo the numerall letters whereof that is to say D.C.L.V.V.V.I. amount exactly unto six hundred sixty six which is the Number of the Beast in Revelation The Papists on the other side find it in the name of Luther but in what language or how speld I remember not And therefore whosoever he was which made this Observation upon the Covenant he deserves more to be commended for his wit then condemned for his idlenesse Fuller The Animadvertor might herein have allowed me the Liberty of Preterition a familiar figure in all Authors managed by them with Taceo praetermitto transeo we passe by listen not c. when relating things Either Parva of small moment Nota generally known Ingrata unwelcome to many Readers Under which of
in truth must be confessed viz. That some of the ejected Clergy were guilty of foul offences to whom and whom alone the name of Baal and unsavory Salt did relate Nor was it a wonder if amongst Ten Thousand and more some were guilty of Scandalous enormities This being laid down and yeilded to the violence of the times I wrought my selfe by degrees as much as I durst to insert what followeth in vindication of many others rigorously cast out for following in their affections their preceding Iudgements and Consciences and no scandall could justly be charged upon them pleading for them as ensueth Church-History Book 11. pag. 207. 1. The witnesses against them were seldome deposed on Oath but their bare complaints believed 2. Many of the Complainers were factious People those most accusing their Sermons who least heard them and who since have deserted the Church as hating the profession of the Ministry 3. Many were charged with delivering false Doctrines whose Posiâ—ioâ—s were found at the least disputable Such those accused for Preaching that Baptism washeth away Originall Sin which the most learned and honest in the Assembly in some sense will not deny namely that in the Children of God it cleanseth the condemning and finall peaceable commanding power of Originall Sin though the stain and blemish thereof doth still remain 4. Some were meerly outed for their affections to the King's Cause and what was Malignity at London was Loyalty at Oxford 5. Yea many Moderate men of the opposite party much be moaned such severity that some Clergy men blamelesse for life and Orthodox for Doctrine were ejected onely on the account of their faithfullnesse to the King's cause And as much corruption was let out by this Ejection maâ—y scandalous Ministers deservedly punished so at the same time the Veins of the English Church were emptied of Much good blood some inoffensive Pastors which hath made her Body Hydropicall ever since ill humours succeeding in the room by reason of too large and suddain evacuation This being written by me some ten in the Paroxâ—sm of the Business and printed some four years since was as much as then I durst say for my Brethren without running my selfe into apparent danger If the Papists take advantage at what I have written I can wash my Hands I have given them no just occasion and I hope this my hust defence will prove satisfactory to the ingenuous That I did not designedly â—etract â—â—om any 〈◊〉 Brethren But if this my Plea finds no acceptance and if I must groan under so unjust an accusation I will endeavour to follow the Counsell of the Prophet I will beare the Indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against Him until He plead my Cause and execute Iudgment for me He will bring me forth to the Light and I shall behold his righteousnesse Dr. Heylyn But to say truth It is no wonder if he concurre with others in the Condemnation of particular persons since he concurrs with others in the condemnation of the Church it selfe For speaking of the separation made by Mr. Goodwin Mr. Nye c. fol. 209. he professeth that he rather doth believe that the sinfull corruptions of the worship and Government of this Church taking hold on their Consciences and their inability to comport any longer therewith was rather the true cause of their deserting of their Country then that it was for Debt or Danger as Mr. Edwards in his Book had suggested of them What grounds Mr. Edwards had for his suggestion I enquire not now though coming from the Pen of one who was no friend unto the Government and Liturgy of the Church of England it might have met with greater credit in our Author For if these men be not allowed for witnesses against one another the Church would be in worse condition then the antient Borderers Amongst whom though the testimony of an English Man against a Scoâ— or of a Scoâ— against the English in matters of spoil and depredation could not find admittance yet a Scot's evidence against a Scâ—t was beyond exception Lege inter Limitaneos cautum ut nullus nisi Anglus in Anglum nullus nisi Scotus in Scoâ—um testis admitâ—atur as we read in Camden We see by this as by other passages which way our Author's Bowl is biassed how constantly he declares himselfe in favour of those who have either separated from the Church or appear'd against it Rather then such good people shall be thought to forsake the Land for Debt or Danger the Church shall be accus'd for laying the heavy burthen of Conformity upon their Consciences which neither they nor their fore-fathers the old English Puritans were resolved to bear For what else were those sinfull Corruptions of this Church in Goâ—erâ—ment and Worship which laid hold of their Consciences as our Author words it but the Government of the Church by Bishops the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church here by law establisht which yet must be allowed of by our Author as the more true and reall cause of their Separation then that which we find in Mr. Edwards Fuller I knew Mr. Edwards very well my contemporary in Queens Colledge who often was transported beyond due bounds with the keenness and eagernesse of his spirit and therefore I have just cause in some things to suspect him especially being informed and assured the contrary from credible persons As for the five dissenting Members Mr. Goodwin Mr. Nye Mr. Sympson Mr. Bridge Mr. Burroughs to whom Mr. Archer may be reduced they owed not eighteen pence a piece to any in England and carried over with them no contemptible summs in their purses As for Lay-Gentlemen and Merchants that went over with them such as peruse their names will be satisfied in their responsible yea plentifull Estates Sr. MATTHEW BOINTON Sr. WILLIAM CONSTABLE Sr. RICHARD SALTINGSTON Mr. LAWRENCE since Lord President of the Councill Mr. ANDREWES since Lord Major of London Mr. BOWRCHER Mr. ASK since a Judge Mr. JAMES Mr. WHITE And although the last of these failed beyond the Seas a cacching Casually with great undertakings yet was he known to have a very great Estate at his going over Yea I am most credibly inform'd by such who I am confident will not abuse me and posterity therein that Mr. Herbert Palmer an Anti-Independent to the heighth being convinced that Mr. Edwards had printed some false-hoods in one sheet of his Gangrena proffered to have that sheet re-printed at his own cost but some intervening accident obstructed it Dr. Heylyn Nor can our Author save himselfe by his parenthesis in which he tells us that he uses their language onely For using it without check or censure he makes it his own as well as theirs and justifies them in the action which he should have condemn'd Fuller This is an Hypercriticism which I never heard of before and now do not believe In opposition whereunto I return that if a Writer doth slily weave another Author's words into his owne
stiled OUR Catalogues of Honour But more exact Heralds whom it concerns to be skilful in their own Profession do otherwise account them Dr. Heylyn No Richard Duke of York to be found amongst them his Father Richard of Konisburgh having lost that Title by Attainder which never was restored to Richard his Son though most improvidently advanced to the Dukedom of York nor unto any other of that Line and Family Fuller I admire at the Animadvertor's peremptoriness in this point when the no less learned but more modest Mr. Camden speaking of these Earls in the Description of Cambridge-shire saith that after the death of Richard of Conisburgh The Title of the Earl of Cambridge either wholly vanished with him or else lay hid amongst the Titles of Richard his Son who was restored Duke of York as Kinsman and Heir to his Uncle Edward Duke of York What he warily said laid hid is found out by such as since wrote on that Subject Mr. Brooke York Herald and Mr. Augustine Vincent in effect Mr. Camden revised who writing Corrections on Brooke concurreth with him in this particular for Richard of Edward's Brother was after created Earl of that place Cambridge and after him another Richard who was Richard of Conisburgh's Son See Reader what an Adversary I have gotten who careth not to write against the most evident and avowed Truths so be it he may write something against Me. Dr. Heylyn 4. Proceed we in the next place to Verses and old ends of Poetry scattered and dispersed in all parts of the History from one end to the other for which he hath no precedent in any Historian Greek or Latine or any of the National Histories of these latter times The Histories of Herodotus Xenophon Thucidides and Plutarch amongst the Greeks of Caesar Livy Salust Tacitus and Suetonius amongst the Latines afford him neither warrant nor example for it The like may be affirmed of Eusebius Socrates Sozomen Theodoret Ruffin and Evagrius Church-Historians all though they had all the best choice and the most excellent Poets of the world to befriend them in it And he that shall consult the Historyes of succeeding times through all the Ages of the Church to this present day will find them all as barren of any incouragements in this kind as the ancients were Fuller Never had Herodotus given his Nine Books the names of the Nine Muses if such was his Abstemiousness from Poetry Not one of them which is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in this kind and there are found in Clio the first no fewer than thirty Verses of the Oracles of Pythia As those his Books are fruitful so his Book of the Life of Homer hath a superfetation of them so that if Paose be the Warp Verses are the Woof thereof Whereas the Animadvertor instances in Plutarch open at the life of Theseus and we are presented with Poetry therein But grant no precedent in this nature in these Authors A more free Genius acteth in modern than in ancient Historians manumissed from the Servilities they were tied or tied themselves unto The Animadvertor like another Empson endevoureth to revive the Penal Statutes of History against me so to subject me to fine for the breach thereof which Time in effect hath cancelled Qui Scribit Historicè scribit miserè if enslaved to all puntillo's thereof Let the Animadvertor keep those Steel-bodys for his own wearing and not force them on me What not a Plait or a Ruffle more or less but all must be done in Number Waight and Measure according to Historicall criticisme This is not putting the Book but the Author himself into the Press Tacitus himself here instanced in would be Tacitus indeed if all Politick Sentences and prudential results were deleted in him being trespasses on the preciseness of History confined to matter of Fact But well-fare that Historian who will go out of his own way to direct his Reader We know Pliny Solinus c. in their Topographical description of Countreys are barren of verses Let the Animadvertor on the same account therefore charge Mr. Camden for surcharging his Britannia with Poetry having but three verseless Shires viz. Dorset Bucks and Westmerland in all England and more than fourscore verses apeece in the three severall Counties of Berks Oxford and Somerset Dr. Heylyn Nay whereas Bishop Godwin in his Annals gives us an Epitaph of two Verses only made on Queen Iane Seymour and afterwards a Copy of eighteen verses on the Martyrdome of Arch-Bishop Cranmer he ushers in the last with this short Apology Contra morem Historiae liceat quaeso inserère c. Let me saith he I beseech you insert these following verses though otherwise against the Rule and Laws of History Fuller What if that worthy Prelate was pleased to pass a Complement on his Reader it followeth not that they do want Civility who have less Courtship in this Point than he hath Let us look on his Catalogue of Bishops which hath more vicinity with my Subject and there we shall find the Bulk of the Book considered more verses in proportion than in my Church-History on the token that where I cite but four he quoteth fourteen out of Martial to prove Claudia Ruffina a Britan and a Christian. Dr. Heylyn But what alas were eighteen or twenty verses compared with those many hundred six or seven hundred at the least which we find in our Author whether to shew the universality of his reading in all kind of Writers or his faculty in Translating which when he meets with hard Copies he knows how to spare I shall not determine at the present Fuller If peeces of verses be counted whole ones which in this point is no Charitable Synecdoche and if Translations be reckoned distinct Verses though it is hard that a Man and his Shadow should be accounted two different persons And if the verses in the History of Cambridge be adjected though he who banisheth Poetry out of an University will find Iambicks enough to pay him for his pains And if the verses in the History of Waltham-Abby be cast in though who shall hinder but I will describe my own Parish in Prose or Poetry as I think fit all put together will not amount to the number Besides many of my verses may be said to be Prose in Effect as containing the Religion of that Age and therefore alledged as Evidence thereof before the Norman Conquest and no authority can in Prose be produced which doth so fully and cleerly represent the same Other Verses are generally Epitaphs on some eminent Church-men which could not well be omitted Dr. Heylyn Certain I am that by the interlarding of his Prose with so many Verses he makes his Book look rather like a Church-Romance our late Romancers being much given to such kind of mixtures than a well-built Ecclesiastical History And if it be a matter so inconvenient to put a new peice of cloth on an old garment the putting of so many old patches on a