the Resurrection of their Bodies c. See also W. P. his Invalidity of I. F. vindication p. 373 c. Q 19. Whither outward Baptism with Water and the outward Supper called the LORDS Supper be not Divine Institutions and Ordinances of our Blessed LORD JESUS CHRIST commanded by Him to be continued and practiced to the end of the World A. First as for Baptism we believe that as there is one LORD and one Faith so there is one Baptism Eph. 4 5. which is not the puting away the filth of the Flesh but the answer of a good Conscience before GOD by the Resurrection of JESUS CHRIST 1 Pet. 3 21. And this Baptism is a pure and Spiritual thing to wit the Baptism of the Spirit and Fire by which we are buried with him Rom. 6. 4. And puts on CHRIST Gal 3 27. that being purged and washed from our sins we may walk in newness of Life being risen with him through the Faith of the Operation of GOD Collos 2. 12. Of which the Baptism of John was a figure whose ministry was to decrease but CHRIST to increase Iohn 3. 30. and who said himself I indeed Baptise you with Water to repentance but He that cometh after me is mightier then I whose shoes I am not worthy to bear He shall baptise you with the HOLY GHOST and with Fire Mat. 3. 11. Here are two Baptisms mentioned whereof certainly Johns was the figure and CHRISTS the continuing substance and though Johns was continued or practiced for a season yet Paul that great Apostle who was not a whit inferiour to the chiefest Apostles 2 Cor. 11. 5. expresly affirms that outward Baptism was not within his Commission from CHRIST read 1 Cor. 1. 17. As for the sprinkling of Infants called Baptism we find neither Precept nor Practice of it in all the Scriptures of truth and therefore judge it to be a meer humane Tradition And as for the Outward Supper we do believe that the communion of the Body and Blood of CHRIST is inward and Spiritual as to the substance which is the participation of his Flesh and Blood by which the Inward man is daily nourished in the Hearts of those in whom CHRIST dwels 1 Cor. 10 chap. 16. 17. verses John 6. 32. 33 35 Of which things the breaking of Bread by CHRIST with his Disciples was a figure which they even used in the Church for a time who had received the substance for the sake of the weak even as abstaining from things strangled and from blood the washing on anothers feet and the anointing the Sick with Oyl all which are commanded with no less authoriy and solemnity then the former and the two last of them as true outward Signs or Simbols of Inward Grace as the Bread and Wine yet seeing they are but the shaddows of better things they cease in such as have obtained the substance Acts 15. 20. John 13 14 Ja. 5 14. Where these forementioned things are commanded or institute R. It is indeed to be much lamented that the whole Body of the Quakers every where is too well agreed as to their disowning and Contempt of our Blessed SAVIOUR's Institutions especially Baptism and the LORD's Supper But A. J. c. might have given a shorter Answer for I designed not by these Queries that either they should prove what they hold or that I should disprove the same And therefore for a full Reply to what either they have here alledged or what R. B. and others of the Chief English Teachers among the Quakers have argued against the Continuance and practice of outward Water Baptism and the LORD's Supper I refer the Reader to Geo Keith's Book called the Arguments of the Quakers against Baptism c. wherein they are intirely consuted and fully Answered And which Book I do not know that the Quakers have so much as pretended to Answer Q 20 Lastly if ye be realy sound and sincere in the Faith of the great fundamental Truths of the Christian Religion are ye not then bound in Conscience to manifest the same and that both by disowning and condemning by a publick Testimony all those gross Erroneous and Unchristian passages which have been and may still more and more be discovered out of your ancient and chief Friends Printed Books Observe so far only A. J. c. recited this last Querie and wholly omitted all the rest And I doe hereby offer to prove the same before any Judicious Indifferent Persons as it shall please GOD to give me an opportunity by producing such Palpable Quotations out of the said Books directly contradicting the plain Testimony of the Holy Scriptures and contrary to the necessary essential point of Christian Faith and Doctrine and if ye be clear and Innocent as I said already ought ye not likewise to disown all such for your Christian Brethren that have opposed and who doe still continue to oppose any of those precious Truths of the Gospel which have been universally received by all true and sound Christians I doe expect your positive and candid Answer by your plain and simple Affirmation or Negation to each of these Queries by which you may prevent any Suspicion of quibling or equivocating to be sent with all Convenience to Aberdeen the 5th day of the 4th Moneth called June 1700. Your Real Welwisher ROBERT SANDILANDS A. We are realy sound and sincere in the great and fundamental Truths of the Christian Religion and we are ready to manifest the same but we are not bound in reason to receive the Testimony of an avowed Adversary against our Brethern and if he have any thing to charge against them among whom he resides he wants not opportunity to do it face to face and we doubt not but they can clear themselves sufficiently This Answer to the above written Queries was drawn upon the 7th day of the 4th moneth called June 1700 And signed as follows Alexander Gelley Robert Barclay Iohn Forbes George Forbes senior Robert Gordon William Taylor Andrew Jaffray Iohn Robertson Robert Gerard Daniel Simson Iohn Somervaile William Glenny James Wallace Iohn Merser Robert Keith Yet at the desire of some of the Magistrats so many of our Number as are present have again signed the same with their own hands Observe They first gave a Copy of their Answer unsigned and which they brought to the Publick Mercat place and Copies thereof given to divers Persons afterwards they brought their Answers much Corrected with large Additions with several names at them but all write with one hand and that not being satisfactory it was returned to them again At last they delivered it Signed Authentically by severals of their own Hands Andrew Jaffray Alexander Gelley William Taylor Daniel Simson Robert Keith Iohn Sommervaile Robert Gordon George Forbes Senior Iohn Merser Iohn King R. I should truly rejoice and be heartily glade to find both A. J. c. And all others among the People called Quakers manifest themselves to be realy sound and sincere not
SOME QUERIES Proposed to the Monethly Meeting of the Quakers at ABERDEEN the sixth Day of June 1700. By ROBERT SANDILANDS With their ANSWERS thereto together with some Remarks thereupon Published by Authority To which is Prefixed a Letter from GEORGE KEITH sent to the Quakers in ABERDEEN Containing a very serious and Christian Expostulation with his Old Friends c. Gal. 4. 16. Am I therefore become Your Enemy because I tell You the Truth ABERDEEN Printed by IOHN FORBES Printer to the CITY and UNIVERSITY To the Right Honourable THOMAS MITCHEL Lord Provost Bailies ALEXANDER RAGG ALEXANDER FORBES ALEXANDER KER ALEXANDER PATON IOHN LESLIE Dean of Gild WILLIAM CROWDEN Thesaurer And to the rest of the Honourable Council of the City of ABERDEEN RIGHT HONOURABLE THE Hereditary Tyes I am under to the City of Aberdeen of which my Father was Recorder several years wherein many of my Friends Live and some whereof have been Honoured with the most eminent Posts in the Magistracy and of which I my self am a Native and Burger are so strong that they need no new motives to raise and preserve in me the greatest Honour and the most sincere Love for the Place And ye who are the present worthy Governours hereof have surpriz'd me with such new favours and Personal Obligations since my last Return to your City that nothing but a publick acknowledgment can secure me against the Reproach of Ingratitude Those Shelves on which I and many well designing but seduced Christians had Shipwrack'd the true Faith could not be sufficiently guarded against nor those who are already fallen into fatal delusions recovered and restored otherwayes then by exposing to the impartial view of the World the gross and vile Errours that ly couched under the mask of Divine Illuminations and the palpable Contradictions that are maintained by different parties of that Society which pretends to be guided and influenced in every point by the unerring Spirit of Infinite Wisdom And as Love to Christianity and Charity to the Souls of others has induced me first to Propose and then to publish the following Queries and Remarks so I cannot in Justice conceal your Forwardness and Zeal to Countenance and encourage me in vindication of the Truth and to allow what ever might be of use to me in defence of the Truth which I have endeavoured to doe with the greatest simplicity And that GOD may strengthen you and raise up others to be valiant for Truth and Holiness shall ever be the hearty Prayer of Right Honourable Your Most Obliged and Obedient Servant ROBERT SANDILANDS To the Christian Reader SEEing it hath graciously pleased Almighty GOD in his Infinite Mercy to discover to me as well as many more in England who for sometime had lived in communion with the People called Quakers those many gross Errours that were maintained in Print by their Chief Teachers which nevertheless I my self never owned but alwayes sincerely believed the most necessary fundamental Truths of Christianity profest in common by all PROTESTANTS though I must confess I was so far misled as to believe that more stress was to be laid on the Light within then on Faith in an outward Crucified JESUS c. I therefore judged my self bound in Conscience not only to separat from them but also to return to this my Native Countrey where I first joined with them and there give a publick Testimony to the Truth and endeavour in the Strength of the LORD to satisfie my old Friends and Relations that as I erred through ignorance and unbelief never knowing nor being any way perswaded till of late that such gross Errours were owned by them which if I had in the least suspected I think I should never have been prevailed with to have joined with them So I hope that the Quakers both here and else where who are sincere and honest hearted when they are made sensible of and discover the same which they may doe by impartially searching as I have done their own authentick writtings shall be of one mind with me and with me also obtain mercy so as to have reason to magnifie the Infinite Goodness and Love of GOD in CHRIST JESUS our LORD Of this I conceive the more hopes since I got the Answers of the Principal Quakers of the last Monethly Meeting at Aberdeen given to some Queries proposed by me at that Meeting both which together with some Remarks on their said Answers are here Printed by Authority of the Magistrats of Aberdeen and at the desire of some of them as well as the intreaty of my Friends in this place I have been induced to make a short Narrative of what passed before the giving in or Answering the said Queries Soon after my arrival at Aberdeen I had occasion to meet with some of the Quakers whom I discoursed and more particularly A. Jaffray their chief Teacher in this place and in our Conferences together I mention'd some gross passages in W. Penn's Books c. But he being dissatisfied proposed that himself and I with some friends of each side should meet and after these Books were produced it might be seen whether such palpable and gross Errours were vouched in them yea or not Having so soon as possible I could got some of them I wrot to the said A. J. desiring to know when we should meet in answer to which he sent me a very passionat and indiscreet Letter intirely declining the Meeting though he himself first proposed the same and therein acquainted me if I had any thing to say against them I should give it in Write or Print I therefore went to their Monethly Meeting where Alexander Forbes of Craigie and Alexander Patton of Kinnaldie Bailies in Aberdeen with a great many more Persons of good Note were present and there after some short discourse I read the Queries as they are here Printed of which I left a signed Copie with the Quakers and gave another to Bailie Paton to which after some time I at length obtained the Answers which I have hereafter subjoined And that it may appear how groundlesly they lay claim to the immediat and infallible illuminations of the Spirit of GOD which is in all times places and persons the same without contradiction or variation I have annexed some Quotations out of their most approved Writters which most plainly contradict the Doctrine now seemingly owned by A. J. and his Friends These passages I have here adduced are not to be looked upon as the opinions of private Authors among the Quakers but as the Doctrine and Principles maintained by the whole Body of that people in England For their Books are not allowed to be Printed or Re-Printed till first they are approved off by the second days Meeting at London and all such Books so approved off are by an order among them transmitted to other Monethly or Quarterly Meetings c. and there is none that I have made use of have ever been rejected or publickly disapproved by them so far
Errors I had Charged them with but if you will give your selves the Liberty to Read my late Books and particularly the two I now send you I hope ye will be convinced of the Truth of my Charge as diverse hereaway both in City and Country through the Mercy of God are so convinced but I fear that some among you are too deeply guilty of some of the same Errors And if ye in particular are not how can ye in Conscience own them to be your Christian Brethren whom I have proved so evidently guilty of them as particularly the chief Teachers among the Quakers hereaway some Living and some Deceased And I earnestly request you to distinguish betwixt any good things either in Doctrine or Practice which ye have seen or observed in me and whatever was contrary thereunto so as to cleave unto the former and only reject the latter What Honesty or Sobriety and Christian Practice ye ever saw in me I hope to persevere in it and increase in the same and I desire you to do the like but reject your Errors your Uncharitableness of Judgement towards others your Spiritual Pride and over high Esteem of your selves Believe not every Spirit either in your selves or others but try the Spirits and bring all Doctrines and Practices to the Test of the Holy Scriptures and pray God to give you that True Light and Discerning to help you to make an Impartial Examination It hath been a great default generally among the people called Quakers and remains among them too much to Countenance Ignorant Persons if they pretend to the Spirits Teachings and Motions to Preach and Pray and Travel from Place to Place as Teachers of others when yet they want to be taught the first Principles of Christianity and it s to be feared ye have such ignorant Teachers among you I am sure I remember when some of you used to blame it in my hearing and as I desire you to make a distinction betwixt what is right and wrong in any of my former Doctrines or Practices I hope none of you could ever charge me with any Immorrality or Scandalous Conversation when among you but that if I wanted an Attestation to that I think ye would do me that Justice to give me an ample Testimony so I would have you to know that I continue grounded and firmly perswaded as to that most necessary and excellent Doctrine of Gods Inward Teachings by his Holy Spirit Light and Grace and his gracious operations and Assistances to enable us and all good Christians to perform every acceptable Service to him And whatever ye or any others may or doe judge of me I bless my Gracious God that I feel my self a living member of CHRIST's Body by partaking daily of the Life and living Vertue of the Head JESUS CHRIST our Lord and a Living branch upon that living Vine and my care is and ever I hope shall be to abide in him which I bless God for I find by true experience that I can remain and abide such and yet be reformed in many things in my judgement and diverse practices from what I formerly was It hath been a great mistake in us to think that we could not be more holy or soholy as we think we are or were without being so excessivly uncharitable towards others and so contrary to them in our Perswasions and Practices when as many of their Perswasions and Practices were better then ours and others of them more inoffensive I hope ye will excuse my writing thus largely unto you for it is in true Love and good will however you receive it and as I have said I do not expostulat with you for your injuring me for I have more injured you though not by any Immorality but by being instrumental to have in any wayes misinformed you I pray God forgive you and me I remain your truly wel-wishing Friend George Keith London 17th 2d Moneth 1700. To Andrew Jaffray John Robertson Alexander Gellie John Forbes Robert Gordon John Glennic And the rest of the Monthly Meeting of the people called Quakers at Aberdeen Something of weighty importance modestly proposed to your serious Consideration FRIENDS Forasmuch as there hath been and is some just cause given to apprehend that many among the People called Quakers have not a found Faith touching diverse great and weighty Doctrines and principles of the Christian Religion plainly delivered in the Holy Scriptures for both mine and others satisfaction and also for your own vindication if so be which I should be truly glade of and rejoice in that ye manifest your selves to be really innocent and clear of those gross Errors and Heresies which the chief English Teachers among the Quakers have been and are still charged guilty of and upon which account only I have in good Conscience been concerned to leave communion with them not finding that they have in the least as yet cleared themselves of the same which they can never well do without a publick and ingenuous retractation of those many unwarrantable and unsound passages in their Books You are therefore earnestly desired and requested to give your plain and candid Answer in writing to these following Queries Querie 1. Whether the Holy Scriptures containing the Old and New Testament called the BIBLE in their plain and literal meaning Or the Light within be the certain fixed and standing Rule whereby to judge and determine matters of contraversie as to Religion Here followers the Quakers Answer Ans We believe that the Holy Scriptures containing the Old and New Testament called the BIBLE as having come from the Spirit of GOD and being written by Men Divinly inspired which we most firmly Believe they were when they are opened and explained by the same Spirit of GOD which gave them forth they being of no private interpretation 2 Pet. 1. and 20. are an Infallible Rule of Faith and Life unto all to whom GOD hath in his Providence been pleased to communicat them for they being the things of GOD cannot be understood but by the Spirit of GOD 1 Cor. 2. 11. Remark This Answer to the 1 Q. being in all appearance sound and orthodox if they have no secret reserved meaning and agreeable to the sense of all sound Protestants I am heartily glade that they have deserted the unsound and hetrodox Doctrine that some of their principal Teachers both in Scotland and England have vouched in their writtings in relation to the Holy Scriptures being the Rule of Faith and therefore the Reader may be pleased to compare this their Answer with what Robert Barclay says tho I confess that he and G. K. were the soundest and mâ—st Orthodox Writters among the Quakers in See R. Rs. works pag. 299. his explanation of his 3d proposition among his Theses Theologicae The principal Rule saith he of Christians under the Gospel is not an outward Letter nor Law outwardly written and delivered but an Inward Spiritual Law ingraven in the heart the Law of the Spirit
of Life the word that is nigh in the Heart and in the Mouth but the Letter of the Scripture is outward of it self a dead thing a meer declaration of good things but not the things themselves therefore it nor is nor can be the Chief or Principal RULE of Christians But least any should mistake him and think that tho he owned them not to be the principal Rule yet at least he acknowledged them to be a RULE he immediatly adds § 3 That which is given to Christians for a RULE and Guide must needs be so full as it may clearly and distinctly Guide and Order them in all things and occurrences that may fall out But the Scriptures are not such as he instanceth in several particulars therefore the Scriptures cannot be a RULE to them And as they are not a RULE so nor the Rule as he sayeth in another place As for CHRIST and his Apostles using the Scriptures for convincing of their Opposers so do we and yet this proves not that either he or we judge them pag. 15. near the end to be the Rule whereby to try all things and Spirits c. The Reader may plainly observe the great inconsistency betwixt what R. B. says and what Andrew Jaffray and his Friends say They affirm the Scriptures to be an RULE an Infallible RULE and an Infallible RULE of Faith and Life in which they are very orthodox and I must in Charity believe that in so farr are our Modern Quakers Reformed and very justly laid aside their former Doctrine Which is yet more plainly and explicitly delivered by William Penn in his Appendix to the Christian Quaker for after endeavouring to prove that the Scriptures were never the General RULE he at last by way of Objection says Pag 136 But is not the Scripture the RULE of our Day he answers if the RULE then the general RULE for pag 137. whatsoever is the RULE of Faith and Life excludeth all other from being general they being but particular in respect of it self therefore not the RULE of Faith and Life but besides their not being general I have several Reasons to oâ—ter and he brings no less then nine or ten Reasons why they cannot be the Rule of Faith and Life See George Keith's Book called the Deism of William Penn c. Wherein there is a full examination and confutation of William Penns Discourse of the General RULE of Faith and Practice and Judge of Contraversie Printed Anno 1699. Observe also what is said in one of their Books called the Quakers Refuge p. 17. Whether the first Penman of the Scriptures was Moses or Hermes or whether both these are one or whether there are not many Words contained in the Scriptures which were not spoken by INSPIRATION of the Holy Spirit And in a Book called Truths Defence by G. F. and R. H. p. 2d You may as well Condemn the Scriptures to the Fire as our Queries Q. 2. Whether the Light within be sufficient of it self to Salvation without any thing else A. Unto such as are under a moral impossibility of coming to the knowledge of the Incarnation Life Miracles Crucifiction Death Resurrection and Ascension of our Lord JESUS ' CHRIST the Light wherewith he inlighteneth every Man coming into the World is sufficient to Salvation Ioh. 1. 9. Tit. 2. 11. But where the outward knowledge of the Scriptures is attainable or the outward History of our Saviour it is altogether damnable not to believe the same R. This Answer to the second Querie is in my opinion no Answer at all but a down right shifting the Question which hath no respect to such as are under a moral impossibility of knowing the Life Death Miracles c. of our Blessed Lord JESUS CHRIST but to such as have the means of knowing them and tho to such it be certainly Damnable not to believe them yet that tells us not whither the Light within be of its self sufficient to Salvation without any thing else yea or not and therefore I must again intreat that they may be pleased Candidly and sincerely to give a plain and direct Answer to the Querie and this I have the more reason to demand because Robert Barclay of Urie at the first giving in of their Answers being â—ressed to declare whether to such as have the means of knowing the Life Death Miracles c. of the Holy JESUS the Light within was of it self sufficient to Salvation He answered negatively that it was not and carried away the Answers to have that insert as thier Answer to the Querie which after all was not done From whence it appears that either they are not agreed amongst themselves about the resolution of this Querie and so shift the Answering it Or else that they are afraid to own the Truth plainly least thereby they contradict their Antient Friends And particularly George Whitehood who plainly asserts in his Antidote p. 28. That the Quakers are offended with G. K. for saying the Light within is not sufficient to Salvation without something else The which Proposition seing he blames as false he must hold the Contradictory to be true that the light within is sufficient to Salvation without any thing else Yea G. W. hath granted in his Antidote p. 28. that CHRIST as outwardly Considered is that something else which G. K. means And W. P. in his appendix to the Christian Quakers pag. 158. plainly affirms that the belief of the History of CHRIST's Birth Death c. is none of the absolute necessaries to our Salvation And in his Quakerism a new Nickname c. He saveth That Faith in the History of CHRIST's outward pag. 6 manifestation is a deadly poyson these latter Ages has been infected with and he sayes also in his Rejoynder to I. Faâ—do that CHRIST in the Gentiles is a greater mistery then CHRIST as he was made manifest in the Flesh it is strange that should be counted most misterious which was the introduction to the mistery and these transactions counted most difficult that were by the Divine Wisdom of GOD ordained as so many facil representations of what was to be accomplished in Man it is to leâ—en if not totally exclude the true mistery of Godliness which is CHRIST manifested in his Children their hope of Glory p. 335 Like to this is his saying in his Preface to the Collection of Robert Barclays Book ' s. O Reader sayeth he great is the mistery of Godliness and if the Apostle said it of the manifestation pag. 36. of the Son of GOD in the Flesh if that be a mistery and if a mistery it is not to be spelled out but by the revelation of the Spirit how much more is the See also His Christi an Quaker pag. 12. work of Regeneration a mistery that is wholly inward and spiritual Q. 3. Whether the Holy Three the FATHER SON and HOLY GHOST that bear record in Heaven be not threedistinct Persons of one
only in some but in all the fundamental Truths of the Christian Religion but whether A. J. and his Friends have evidenced themselves to be such by their Answers to the Queries before recited I leave that to all impartial and judicious Readers to judge And for a manifest Tryal of the sincerity and soundness of their Faith in those points wherein they seem orthodox and that they have no secret reserved meanings but what is agreeable to the Sense of all sound Protestants it is here proposed to them and which is reasonably expected that they give a publick Testimony in Writing against those erroneous passages and positions as they are here set down as before and quoted out of their approved and antient Friends Books which plainly contradicts their own orthodox Answers They are obliged I think either to own or else to disown these errors the latter I hope they will ingeniously doe as being no Respecter of Persons For the Truth must be owned and preferred before all things and persons tho never so near or dear to us And unless A. J. c. doe this their sincerity will still be suspected notwithstanding all their great Pretences As for their saying we are not bound in Reason to receive the Testimony of an avowed Adversary against our Brethren as I would not be imposed upon in such weighty concerns so I doe not impose my Testimony upon them but have fairly and sincerely laid before them their own antient and most eminent approved Friends Testimonies both in England and Scotland And I could have produced many more Quotations if they had been so candid to have granted me the use of their Friends Books which I had not by me here and I being a Traveller could not be other wayes provided with however I offer this to them let the Books be produced out of which the Quotations are taken and let them be perused by any judicious and indifferent Persons and see whither they are justly and fairly quoted and I shall submit the same to their censure And whoever it is they mean to be their Brethrens avowed Adversary I bless GOD I can sincerely say that I have no Personal enmity or Prejudice against them or any Persons whatsomever it s true I detest their vile errors but I still love and respect their Persons and what I have herein done may shew that it was not through Malice c. I could also have given an account of many very Unchristian and unsavoury Passages which were Preached publickly in their Meetings at Reading in England where I live which occasioned divers to leave them And whereas they say and if he have any thing to Charge against them among whom he receeds he wants not opportunity to doe it face to face and we doubt not but they can clear themselves sufficiently I should be very glade as I have said before they would do so indeed but I am sure they have never in the least yet done it as they ought to doe notwithstanding of the many opportunitis and that publickly to have cleared themselves of what has been charged against them and still lyes at their door uncleared and unanswered by them and I am fully satisfied that notwitstanding of their many late new Creeds they can never well clear themseves until they publickly and ingeniously Retract those Errors in their Printed Books and when they once do that I think there is none will be so Unchristian as to Charge them any more therewith There is one or two Quotations more which I think fit to add G. F. and R. H. sayes in Truths defence p. 89 and 109 Our giving forth papers and printed Books it is from the immediat eternal Sipiritual GOD. 〈◊〉 Now I leave it to the serious Consideration of A. J. 〈◊〉 and the rest of his Friends whether in their Consciences they realy believe that the foresaid Passages quoted out of their Friends Books were given forth from the Immediat Eternal Spirit of GOD. And G. F. pleads for the same degree of the Spirit to know the Scriptures by as the Prophets and Apostles had See his great Myst p. 213. c. FINIS
Substance Power Glory and Eternity Or are they only three manifestations or operations and is there not some Incommunicable as well as Communicable Attributes belonging to the Persons of the Holy Trinity A. We believe according to the Scriptures that there are three that bare record in Heaven the FATHER the WORLD and the HOLY GHOST and these three are One 1 Joh. 5. 7. And we do not find our selves obliged to express our selves in other terms than the Wisdom of GOD saw meet to express that great mistery in the Holy Scriptures But we do believe that there are incommunicable as well as communicable Attributes in the said Holy three as is witnessed Joh. 1. 14. And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt among us which cannot be said of the other two R. In this Answer to the third Querie it is said there are incommunicable as well as communicable Attributes in the Holy three c. And yet G. Whitehead sayeth in his Truth defending the Quakers We deny the Popish terms pag. 2. of three distinct Persons which you call GOD the FATHER GOD the SON and GOD the HOLY GHOST which tends to the dividing GOD and to the making three GOD's and do not you Priests in your Divinity as you call it affirm that a Person is a Single Rational Compleat Substance and differing from another by an INCOMMUNICABLE PROPERTY and art thou so blind as to think that there is such a difference in the God head seing CHRIST is equal with his FATHER who is a SPIRIT then what INCOMMUNICABLE PROPERTY can he differ in from the FATHER that is not COMMUNICABLE to the one as well as the other And Geo Fox one of the greatest account among them in his disputing against C. Wade for saying that GOD the FATHER never took upon him Human Nature which sayeth he in his great mistery is contrary to the Scripture This was the Error of the Old Hereticks pag. 246. called Patripassians who held that GOD the FATHER was born of the Virgin suffered dyed c. Q. 4. Is not the promised Seed of the Woman that should bruise the Serpents Head Gen. 3. 15. The Man CHRIST JESUS that was born of the Virgin at Bethlehem in the Land of Iudea A. We Answer affirmatively it is he and he alone we never in the least doubted it what ever malice may suggest without the least ground R. This Answer may be compared with what W. P. sayes in express words in his Christian Quaker p. 97 98. One outward thing saithhe cannot be the propper figure of another nor is it the way of Holy Scripture so to teach the outward Lamb shews forth the inward Lamb. The SEED of the promise is an Holy and Spiritual Principle of Light Life and Power that being received into the Heart briuses the Serpents head and because the Seed which cannot be the Body viz. that was outwardly born of the Virgin is CHRIST as testify the Scriptures the Seed is one that Seed CHRIST and CHRIST GOD over all blessed for ever The Reader may see that it s not malice but that there is too much ground to suggest the Quakers unsoundness as to the foresaid Querie Q 5. That seed of Abraham to which the Promise was made that in him all the Nations of the Earth shall be blessed according to Gen. 22. 18. Gal. 3. 16 Was it not the Man CHRIST JESUS who according to the Flesh was the Son of Abraham and the Son of David Matt. 1. 1. A. We Answer affirmatively yea it was he and none else R. With this Orthodox Answer the Reader may compare what G. W. sayes in his Truth defending the Quakers it is Queried thus did Richard Hubberthorn will pag. 21. in writing that CHRISTS coming in the Flesh was but a Figure G. W. Answers could CHRIST have been said to have been transfigured if his coming in the Flesh had not been a Figure And in his Christian Quaker he positively denyes that CHRIST Consisted of visible Flesh and Bones pag. 139. 140. It is saith he both unscriptural and assurd to assert that JESUS CHRIST consisteth of a Human Body of Flesh and Bones how then can he be properly the Seed of Abraham and the Son of David I distinguish sayeth G. W. between considing and having CHRIST had visible Flesh and Bones but he did not consist of them as a Man hath a Coat or a Garment but he doth not consist of it Q. 6 Had not this Man a real Soul that was not the Godhead and a real Body also that was not the God-head A. We answer affirmatively yea he had both R. This Answer may be compared with what G. W. sayes in his Appendix to the Divinity of CHRIST aganist T. D. as to T. Ds telling us of the Son of GODs incarnation pag. 18. the creation of his Body and Soul the parts of that Nature he subsisted in note that Nature plainly denotes CHRIST's Manhood Nature that T. D. meant which had a created Body and Soul to this I say sayes G. W. if the Body and Soul of the Son of God were both created doth not this render him a fourth Person again where do the Scripture say that the Soul was created Q 7 Is not that outward Man who was born of the Virgin and suffered without the Gates of Jerusalem properly and truly the SON of GOD having no immediat FATHER but GOD. A. We Answer affirmatively and fully believe he is so R. This Answer to the seventh Querie being in all appearance sound and orthodox and agreeable to the sense of all sound Protestants if they have no secret reserved meaning in this and their other orthodox Answers wherein they dissent from the unsound Doctrine of some of their chief Teachers and therefore the Reader may be pleased to compare this their Answer with what W. P. saves in his serious Apologie page 146. viz. But that the outward Person that suffered without the gates of Jerusalem was properly the SON of GOD we utterly deny Is not this a plain contradiction to what A. J. c asserts And also W. P. in his Rejoinder pag 304 305 Say's that outward Person that suffered at Jerusalem was CHRIST by a Mâ—tonomy of the thing containing having the name of the thing contained Q. 8. Is not JESUS CHRIST both GOD and Man and yet but one CHRIST so that his Godhead is not his Manhood though the Nature of his Manhood is most highly and wonderfully united to his Godhead A. We Answer affirmatively and fully believe the same R This Answer to the eight Querie the Reader may compare it with what one of their Antient Teachers Christopher Atkinson sayes in his Book called the Sword of the Lord drawn pag. 5. Your imagined GOD beyond the Stars and your carnal CHRIST is utterly denyed To say this CHRIST is GOD and Man in one Person is a Lie and G. W. sayes in his Book called the Life and Light c. pag. 39. As for
those expressions GOD Man being born of MARIE we do not find them in the Scriptures nor do we read that MARIE was the Mother of GOD but in the Popes Canons Articles c. And what nonsense saith he page 47. ibidem and unscripture Language is this to tell of GOD being co-created with the Father or that GOD hath Glory with GOD doth not this imply two GODS and that GOD had a Father let the Reader judge and page 24. To tell of the Word GOD cocreator with the Father is all one as to tell of GOD being cocreator with GOD if the Father be GOD and this is to make two GODS two Creators c. And thus G. W. opposes the Godhead of CHRIST as he doth his Manhood in other Quotations he also denyes the Glorious Hipostatical Union that it consists of a Human and Divine Nature or that they are hipostatically one See his Christian Quaker page 141. And their Book called A Testimony for the true CHRIST pag. 8. Whereof G. W. is supposed to be the Author they deny the Humanity of CHRIST as Humanity signifies the Earthly Nature of Mans Body as coming from Humus the ground but as Humanity signifies Meekness Gentleness Mercifulness as opposite to Cruelty in this last Sense they own CHRIST's Humanity See the Quotation at large cited in G. Ks. fourth Narrative p. 70. but deny it in the former which is the true Sense of Scripture and of all true Christians And as they deny the Humanity of CHRIST so they deny Divine Worship and Honour to be given to him and consequently denyes his Divinity as William Shewen a noted Writer among them expresly sayes in his Book called a small Treatise concerning evil thoughts p. 37. Not to JESUS the Son of Abraham David and Mary Saint or Angel but to GOD the FATHER all Worship Honour and Glory is to be given Q. 9. Did CHRIST's Natural Body which was Crucified and was Buried rise again And did that Body after his Resurrection ascend into Heaven And is that Body now in Heaven A. We believe that CHRIST's Body which was Crucified and was Buried did rise again and did after his Resurrection being wonderfully glorified ascend to Heaven and is now at the Right Hand of the Majesty on high Heb. 1. 3. R. This Answer if they have no secret reserved meaning in it in all appearance seems Orthodox and agreeable to the Sense of all sound Protestants But the Reader may Compare it with what G. W. sayes in his Nature of Christianity pag. 41. What Scripture proof saith he after his socratical way of writing is there that CHRIST subsisteth outwardly Bodily without us at GOD's Right Hand and where is GOD's Right Hand is it visible or invisible within us or without us onely And is CHRIST a SAVIOUR as an outward Bodily existence or PERSON without Us distinct from GOD and on that Consideration to be Worshipped as GOD yea or nay But John Whitehead a very eminent and ancient Preacher among them is more explicit in his Postscript to a Book called the Quakers Refuge p. 90. I have several times saith he denyed that CHRIST hath now a Body of Flesh and Bone Circumscript or limited in that Heaven which is above and out of every Man on Earth And G. W. in his Light and Life pag. 38. is very plain where he expresly saith the Quakers see no need of directing men to the type for the Antitype viz. Neither to the Outward Temple nor yet to Jerusalem either to JESUS CHRIST or his Blood knowing that neither the Righteousness of Faith doth so direct Rom. 10. Q. 10 Is that Heaven into which CHRIST hath ascended in the true Glorified Nature of Man consisting of Soul and Body without us or within us only And do you own the Man CHRIST JESUS to be without you as well as His spirit and Light within you A We firmly believe that that Heaven unto which CHRIST hath ascended in the 〈◊〉 Gloriâ—â—ed Nature of Man 〈…〉 of Soul and Body is without iâ— and uâ— do own the Man CHRIST JESUS to be without us as well as His Spirit and Light within us Rom 8 34. Heb. 8. 1. R. This Answer may be compared with what G. F. says in his great mistery p. 214. There is none have a glory and a Heaven but within them Now if there be no glory nor Heaven without us Then how can CHRIST be ascended into a Heaven without us And W. P. redicules the locality of both Heaven and Hell and sayes in his Rejoinder p. 179. To deny it is not very offensive and that it looks too Carnal indeed Mahomitan viz. to assert it W Smith an Antient and Eminent writter among them in his Catechism p. 57. has this Question And is that which is within you the only foundation upon which you stand and the principle of your Religion answer that of GOD within us is so for we know it is CHRIST and being CHRIST it must needs be ONELY and PRINCIPAL for that which is ONELY admits not of another and that which is principal is greatest in being and thus we know CHRIST in us to be unto us the ONELY and the PRINCIPAL Q But do ye hold that this foundation and principle within you is sufficient to eternal Life A. Yes we do so And G. F. in his great mistery p. 248 says to C. Wade The Devil was in thee and thou sayeth thou art saved by CHRIST without thee And G W sayes in truth defending the Quakers p. 65 That Faith in CHRIST without men is contray to the Apolles Doctrine Is this to own the Man CHRIST JESUS to be without us as A. J c asserts they do in their answer Q. 11. Are we Justified and Cleansed from Sin by the Blood of CHRIST that was outwardly shed And are we sanctified by that Blood meritoriously as by His Spirit Grace and Light in us efficiently A. We answer affirmatively R. With this affirmative answer may be compared R. Bs 7 proposition in his a pology p of his works 264 As many sayeth he as resit not this Light viz. the Light within but reserve the same it becomes in them a Holy Pure and Spiritua 〈◊〉 bringing so the Holiness Rightoâ—sness 〈◊〉 and all those 〈…〉 fruits which are acceptable to GOD by which Holy Birth viz JESUS CHRIST formed within us and working His works in us as we are Sanctified so 〈…〉 in the â—ight of GOD according to 1 Cor. 6. 11. Here Justification and Sanctification are intirely 〈◊〉 to CHRIST the Light within and there is not one word of the outward CHRIST or his outward Blood outwardly shed Let the Reader also consider what he delivers as his 3 position in p. 370 viz That since good works as naturally flow from this Birth as heat from Fire therefore are they of absolut necessity to Justification as Causa sine qua non i. e. tho not as the Cause for which yet as that in which we are and