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A39267 The reflecter's defence of his Letter to a friend against the furious assaults of Mr. I.S. in his Second Catholic letter in four dialogues. Ellis, Clement, 1630-1700. 1688 (1688) Wing E570; ESTC R17613 51,900 75

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