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A90287 A review of the true nature of schisme, with a vindication of the Congregationall churches in England, from the imputation thereof unjustly charged on them by Mr D. Cawdrey, preacher of the Word at Billing in Northampton-shire. / By John Owen D.D. Owen, John, 1616-1683. 1657 (1657) Wing O803; Thomason E1664_1; ESTC R203102 68,239 187

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a_o interest_n in_o this_o church_n of_o jesus_n christ_n our_o reverend_a author_n profess_v that_o he_o have_v but_o little_a to_o say_v to_o these_o thing_n some_o exception_n he_o put_v in_o unto_o some_o expression_n use_v in_o the_o explication_n of_o my_o sense_n in_o this_o particular_a that_o which_o he_o chief_o insist_v upon_o be_v the_o accommodation_n of_o that_o promise_n matth._n 16._o 28._o upon_o this_o rock_n will_v i_o build_v my_o church_n to_o the_o church_n in_o this_o sense_n which_o he_o conclude_v to_o belong_v to_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o professor_n now_o as_o i_o be_o not_o at_o all_o concern_v as_o to_o the_o truth_n of_o what_o i_o be_o in_o confirmation_n of_o to_o which_o of_o these_o it_o be_v apply_v so_o i_o be_o far_o from_o be_v alone_o in_o that_o application_n of_o it_o to_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o i_o insist_v upon_o all_o our_o divine_n that_o from_o hence_o prove_v the_o perseverance_n of_o all_o individual_a believer_n as_o 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