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A42386 A brief examination of the present Roman Catholick faith contained in Pope Pius his new creed, by the Scriptures, antient fathers and their own modern writers, in answer to a letter desiring satisfaction concerning the visibility of the protestant church and religion in all ages, especially before Luther's time. Gardiner, Samuel, 1619 or 20-1686. 1689 (1689) Wing G244; ESTC R29489 119,057 129

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themselves_o in_o vain_a then_o do_v they_o worship_v god_n teach_v for_o doctrine_n the_o commandment_n of_o man_n yea_o so_o besot_v be_v they_o with_o their_o image_n that_o they_o condemn_v durand_n as_o little_o less_o than_o a_o heretic_n for_o say_v that_o image_n be_v adore_v only_o improper_o 2._o bellarmine_n de_fw-fr imag._n cap._n 21._o lib._n 2._o because_o they_o put_v man_n in_o mind_n of_o the_o person_n represent_v by_o they_o so_o that_o they_o proper_o adore_v not_o the_o image_n but_o adore_v and_o worship_v the_o prototype_n before_o they_o contrary_o azorius_fw-la affirm_v as_o also_o jacob_n naclantus_fw-la follow_v aquinas_n that_o it_o be_v the_o constant_a opinion_n of_o their_o divine_n 21._o in_o rom._n c._n 1._o constans_n opinio_fw-la v._o cassand_n consult_v de_fw-fr imagine_v in_o rom._n c._n 1._o fol._n 42._o quote_v by_o bishop_n usher_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o malon_n and_o bellar._n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr imag._n c._n 20_o 21._o that_o the_o image_n 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simulachrum_fw-la sed_fw-la mimus_fw-la ch._n 18_o 10._o so_o varro_n apud_fw-la augustin_n can._n 36._o and_o therefore_o place_n image_n before_o they_o do_v not_o romanist_n use_v image_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n he_o add_v if_o image_n any_o image_n of_o whosoever_o have_v any_o understanding_n they_o will_v worship_v man_n as_o more_o noble_a creature_n and_o conclude_v it_o be_v beyond_o all_o doubt_n that_o there_o be_v no_o religion_n at_o least_o true_a where_o there_o be_v a_o image_n but_o only_o a_o mimical_a show_n of_o it_o this_o be_v plain_a and_o home_o the_o ancient_a council_n of_o elliberis_n ann._n 310._o decree_n that_o picture_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v in_o church_n lest_o that_o which_o be_v adore_v or_o worship_v shall_v be_v paint_v on_o wall_n 4._o non_fw-la solum_fw-la imprudenter_fw-la sed_fw-la impie_fw-la etc._n etc._n loc._n theol._n lib._n 5._o c._n 4._o melchior_n canus_n out_o of_o his_o great_a reverence_n no_o doubt_n of_o antiquity_n be_v not_o afraid_a to_o charge_v this_o council_n not_o only_o with_o imprudence_n but_o impiety_n for_o make_v such_o a_o canon_n the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o woman_n he_o heal_v of_o her_o bloudy-issue_n as_o also_o the_o picture_n of_o peter_n and_o paul_n in_o colour_n eusebius_n hist_o lib._n 7._o c._n 14._o rather_o excuse_v than_o commend_v 22._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d see_v tertul_n adv_fw-la martion_n l._n 4._o c._n 22._o as_o imply_v some_o favour_n or_o imitation_n of_o heathenish_a custom_n to_o honour_v their_o benefactor_n but_o have_v not_o a_o word_n of_o any_o sort_n of_o worship_n give_v by_o any_o to_o they_o de_fw-fr praeparat_fw-la lib._n 3._o c._n 3._o he_o say_v what_o corporeal_a thing_n can_v be_v like_o god_n when_o we_o can_v have_v a_o image_n of_o any_o man_n soul_n 1._o ibid._n l._n 9_o c._n 2_o clem._n strom._n 555._o say_v the_o same_o p._n 304._o clem._n strom._n 1._o he_o affirm_v that_o there_o be_v no_o image_n in_o the_o jewish_a temple_n v._n philo_n de_fw-fr legatione_fw-la and_o chap._n 3._o that_o pythagoras_n teach_v by_o moses_n advise_v the_o roman_n not_o to_o make_v any_o image_n of_o god_n whence_o for_o one_o hundred_o and_o seventy_o year_n they_o have_v no_o image_n in_o their_o temple_n epiphanius_n conformable_o to_o the_o canon_n of_o elliberis_n 31._o epist_n ad_fw-la joannem_fw-la hieros●lymit_n contra_fw-la collyrid_n haeres_fw-la 79._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n haeres_fw-la 79._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d c●em_n a●_n protrept_v divina_fw-la majestas_fw-la in_o simulachrorum_fw-la stoliditate_fw-la facilè_fw-la contemnitur_fw-la aug._n de_fw-fr civit._fw-la dei_fw-la l._n 4._o c_o 31._o find_v the_o image_n christi_fw-la vel_fw-la sancti_fw-la of_o christ_n or_o some_o saint_n paint_v on_o a_o veil_n in_o a_o church_n rend_v it_o in_o piece_n as_o contrary_a to_o divine_a law._n in_o another_o place_n he_o tell_v we_o the_o virgin_n mary_n be_v to_o be_v honour_v but_o not_o give_v for_o we_o to_o worship_n if_o not_o her_o person_n much_o less_o say_v we_o her_o image_n in_o the_o same_o place_n confute_v the_o collyridian_n heresy_n he_o term_v the_o make_v image_n of_o god_n and_o dead_a man_n to_o be_v a_o coarse_a idolatrous_a and_o devilish_a practice_n whereby_o the_o mind_n of_o man_n go_v awhoring_a from_o the_o only_a true_a god._n athanasius_n adversus_fw-la gentes_fw-la bring_v in_o the_o heathen_n plead_v for_o their_o image_n or_o idol_n that_o they_o use_v they_o as_o letter_n or_o layman_n book_n as_o papist_n speak_v to_o help_v they_o to_o spell_v out_o the_o nature_n of_o god_n of_o which_o they_o be_v mark_n and_o significant_a character_n to_o which_o he_o answer_v that_o then_o they_o ought_v to_o deify_v the_o maker_n of_o those_o image_n and_o prefer_v the_o artificer_n before_o their_o work_n make_v by_o they_o yea_o he_o say_v in_o the_o beginning_n that_o christ_n the_o image_n of_o god_n be_v make_v man_n on_o purpose_n to_o 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fuga_fw-la seculi_fw-la cap._n ult_n rachel_n hide_v her_o father_n idol_n so_o do_v the_o church_n for_o she_o know_v not_o vain_a figure_n of_o image_n same_o nazianz._n in_o pascha_fw-la orat._n 2._o say_v the_o same_o but_o understand_v the_o true_a sub\_n stance_n of_o the_o trinity_n let_v we_o then_o leave_v the_o shadow_n who_o seek_v after_o the_o sun._n saint_n jerome_n in_o psalm_n 113._o catech_n in_o st._n jerom_n and_o augustine_n day_n there_o no_o be_v image_n in_o church_n say_v cassander_n consult_v de_fw-fr imag._n polydore_n virg._n de_fw-fr invent._n rerum_fw-la and_o erasm_n in_o catech_n do_v thou_o make_v a_o god_n with_o thy_o own_o hand_n to_o adore_v if_o thou_o do_v adore_v a_o beast_n it_o be_v evil_a yet_o a_o beast_n have_v eye_n and_o foot_n but_o that_o which_o thou_o adore_v with_o latria_fw-la neither_o see_v nor_o move_v i_o will_v add_v saint_n austin_n in_o psalm_n 113_o &_o 114._o the_o holy_a scripture_n arm_v we_o against_o such_o as_o say_v i_o 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they_o shall_v not_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o vision_n beatifical_a till_o after_o the_o resurrection_n occam_fw-la scotus_n lib._n 4._o do_v 45._o qu._n 4._o valentia_n with_o other_o deny_v that_o the_o saint_n depart_v or_o angel_n see_v all_o thing_n in_o speculo_fw-la trinitatis_fw-la in_o god_n who_o see_v all_o thing_n but_o only_o such_o as_o be_v essential_a to_o their_o happiness_n 27._o videt_fw-la omne_fw-la qui_fw-la videt_fw-la videntem_fw-la omne_fw-la greg._n m._n in_o 2._o tom._n 3._o digre_n 17._o p._n 118._o in_o august_n de_fw-fr civil_a dei_fw-la l._n 8._o c._n 27._o and_o which_o he_o be_v please_v to_o represent_v to_o they_o claudius_n espencaeus_fw-la testify_v that_o some_o old_a folk_n trust_v in_o the_o saint_n and_o ascribe_v no_o less_o to_o they_o than_o to_o god_n himself_o and_o think_v it_o easy_a to_o entreat_v or_o prevail_v with_o one_o of_o they_o for_o obtain_v their_o request_n and_o desire_n than_o he_o ludovicus_n vives_z profess_v he_o can_v discern_v no_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o worship_n of_o saint_n practise_v in_o his_o time_n and_o the_o heathenish_a parentalia_fw-la wickliff_n apud_fw-la walden_n tom._n 3_o tit._n 12._o the_o albigenses_n and_o waldenses_n reject_v long_o before_o luther_n invocation_n of_o saint_n i_o shall_v close_v this_o particular_a with_o the_o word_n of_o cassander_n a_o learned_a and_o ingenuous_a papist_n 154._o cons_n p._n 154._o this_o false_a and_o pernicious_a opinion_n be_v too_o well_o know_v to_o have_v prevail_v among_o the_o vulgar_a while_o wicked_a man_n persevere_v in_o their_o naughtiness_n be_v persuade_v that_o only_a by_o the_o intercession_n of_o the_o saint_n who_o they_o have_v choose_v to_o be_v their_o patron_n and_o worship_n with_o cold_a and_o profane_a ceremony_n they_o have_v pardon_n and_o grace_n prepare_v they_o with_o god_n which_o pernicious_a opinion_n have_v be_v confirm_v in_o they_o with_o lie_v miracle_n and_o there_o be_v another_o error_n that_o man_n not_o evil_a of_o themselves_o 4._o compare_v sir_n edwin_n sandy_n europae_n speculum_fw-la pag._n 56._o biel_n in_o can._n missae_fw-la lect._n 30._o say_v as_o much_o solus_fw-la deus_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la orandus_fw-la est_fw-la sancti_fw-la magis_fw-la se_fw-la tenent_fw-la ex_fw-la parte_fw-la orantium_fw-la quam_fw-la illius_fw-la qui_fw-la oratur_fw-la halens_n qu._n 92._o mem._n 10._o art._n 4._o have_v choose_v certain_a saint_n to_o be_v their_o patron_n and_o keeper_n and_o put_v confidence_n in_o their_o merit_n and_o intercession_n more_o than_o in_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n so_o far_o that_o the_o only_a office_n of_o christ_n intercession_n be_v obscure_v they_o substitute_v into_o his_o place_n the_o saint_n and_o special_o the_o virgin_n his_o mother_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o these_o thing_n high_o injurious_a to_o the_o honour_n of_o our_o bless_a saviour_n and_o redeemer_n do_v they_o not_o call_v aloud_o for_o a_o effectual_a reformation_n i_o may_v add_v several_a other_o point_n of_o doctrine_n which_o if_o they_o be_v not_o already_o by_o the_o tridentine_a decree_n may_v become_v article_n of_o faith_n whensoever_o the_o pope_n please_v the_o pope_n infallibility_n 4._o to_o deny_v it_o be_v sententia_fw-la haeresi_fw-la proxima_fw-la non_fw-la proprie_fw-la haeretica_fw-la de_fw-fr infallib_n papae_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 1._o v._o caranzam_n sess_n 12.38.35_o v._o alphons_n de_fw-fr castro_n adv_fw-la haeres_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 2._o vid._n cap._n 4._o ibid._n stapleton_n contr._n 3._o qu._n 4._o say_v it_o be_v no_o point_n of_o faith_n but_o of_o opinion_n only_o cusan_a concord_n l._n 1._o c._n 14._o canus_n loc_fw-la com._n l._n 6._o c._n ult_n cajetan_n de_fw-fr authorit_fw-fr papae_fw-la c._n 26._o lib._n 1._o c._n 4._o valent._n lib._n 8._o analys_n fidei_fw-la cap._n 1._o pope_n hadrian_n in_o 4._o de_fw-la sacram._n confirmat_fw-la sub_fw-la finem_fw-la canus_n loc._n l._n 6._o c._n ult_n p._n 331._o valentia_n analys_n fidei_fw-la lib._n 8._o c._n 3._o &_o 4._o v._o bellar._n de_fw-fr pontif._n m._n waldensis_n doctrine_n sidei_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 19_o add_v alph._n de_fw-fr castro_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 4._o the_o ground_n rock_n and_o foundation_n of_o all_o their_o faith_n and_o religion_n be_v ferè_fw-la almost_o say_v bellarmin_n a_o article_n of_o faith_n and_o but_o almost_o which_o all_o prudent_a and_o consider_a man_n may_v well_o wonder_v at_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o only_o deny_v by_o the_o council_n of_o basil_n who_o decree_n that_o it_o be_v de_fw-fr fide_fw-la a_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o pope_n ought_v to_o be_v subject_a to_o a_o general_n council_n in_o regard_n he_o may_v be_v as_o liberius_n zepherinus_n honorius_n anastasius_n and_o some_o other_o pope_n be_v a_o notorious_a heretic_n and_o schismatic_a but_o strong_o confute_v by_o occam_n qu._n 1._o de_fw-fr potestate_fw-la pontif._n c._n 9_o almain_n quaest_n in_o vesp_n de_fw-fr autoritate_fw-la eccl._n c._n 10._o ovandus_fw-la 4._o dist_n 18._o prop._n 25._o coral_n 2._o nicolas_n clemangis_fw-la de_fw-la corrupto_fw-la eccles_n statu_fw-la alvarus_n pelagius_n de_fw-fr planctu_fw-la eccl._n contarenus_n gerson_n etc._n etc._n lyra_n in_o matth._n 16._o turrecremata_fw-la summ._n eccl._n l._n 4._o part_n 2._o c._n 16.20_o with_o many_o more_o grant_v the_o pope_n may_v be_v a_o heretic_n in_o his_o private_a person_n or_o judgement_n yea_o as_o alphons_n de_fw-fr castro_n bozius_n tom._n 2._o the_o sign_n eccles_n l._n 18._o c._n ult_n bannes_n 22._o qu._n 1._o art._n 10._o acknowledge_v that_o he_o may_v be_v not_o only_o a_o heretic_n himself_o but_o impose_v by_o his_o pontifical_a authority_n in_o his_o decree_n heresy_n on_o the_o whole_a church_n the_o truth_n be_v there_o be_v need_n of_o a_o infallible_a judge_n to_o determine_v where_o or_o in_o who_o the_o roman_a infallibility_n reside_v some_o of_o they_o say_v in_o the_o pope_n alone_o whether_o he_o mature_o consider_v 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vet_z &_o novi_fw-la test_n qu._n 73._o theophylact._n in_o 2._o lucae_n &_o matth._n 12._o unless_o he_o swear_v to_o maintain_v it_o nevertheless_o it_o be_v not_o only_o contradict_v by_o the_o ancient_a father_n general_o but_o by_o the_o elder_a school_n man_n as_o banne_n part_v 1._o in_o tho._n qu._n art_n 8._o dub_v 5._o and_o turrecremata_fw-la de_fw-fr consecrat_fw-mi do_v 4._o num_fw-la 11._o acknowledge_v lombard_n lib._n 3._o sent._n do_v 3._o aquinas_n sum_n 3._o part_n qu._n 27._o art_n 2._o cajeran_n opusc_a tom._n 2._o tract_n 1._o the_o conceptione_n virg._n bonaventure_n dist_n 3._o in_o sent._n 3._o qu._n 1._o art._n 1._o capreolus_n l._n 3_o do_v 3._o to_o who_o many_o more_o may_v be_v add_v assirm_v the_o same_o 3._o that_o the_o apocryphal_a book_n be_v to_o be_v receive_v as_o of_o equal_a authority_n with_o the_o canonical_a be_v decree_v and_o so_o make_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n by_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n yet_o it_o be_v evident_o contradict_v not_o 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article_n of_o catholic_n faith_n yet_o it_o be_v plain_o contradict_v not_o only_o by_o the_o