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A02358 Popish glorying in antiquity turned to their shame Whereby is shewed, how they wrong, villifie, and disgrace, that whereunto they pretend to carry greateste reuerence: and are most guilty of that which they vpbraide vnto others. Collected and proued out of themselues, for the singular profit both of pastors and professors. By William Guild, minister at King Edward. Guild, William, 1586-1657. 1627 (1627) STC 12490; ESTC S117899 90,426 272

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who would haue Mothered her dead Chylde vpon her who truelie did owe the living So haue they Fathered their Bastardlie Brood vpon the LORD'S Worthies as if they had beene their legittimate seed and brought them with-in the Sanctuarie Vt ementitis titulis fidem authoritatémque erroribus suis conciliarent as sayeth Senensis that is That by their counterfeyt Titles they might conciliate trust and authoritie vnto their owne Errours and which practise of bringing vp such deluding Counterfeytes for true Samuels Erasmus showes was so ryfe in the tyme of the seventeenth Generall Councell when Errour began to prevayle that hee sayeth Scatebant omnia libris falso celebrium virorum titulo commendatis that is All places were full of Bookes set foorth vnder the false Title of excellent Mens Names The Devill having begun this Practise even in the Apostles owne tymes when the Mysterie of Iniquitie began to worke which made the Apostle Paul to bee therefore so carefull to fore-warne the Thessalonians That they should not bee deceived neyther by worde or alleadged Tradition nor by Writ as from him that is by counterfeyt Epistles in his name to belieue the Lord's Day to bee then at hand And which Practise wee see continued after the Apostles dayes most perniciouslie Therefore the Arrians wrote a Letter to Constantine vnder the name of Athanasius the Eutychians also a Letter agaynst Cyrillus Alexandrinus beeing dead vnder the name of Theodoret and the Mani●heans and others manie Bookes some Fathered on Adam some on Enoch ●ome on the Apostles and Disciples of Christ and some on Christ Himselfe vvho were rejected as Augustine sayeth Non quod eorum qui Deo placuerunt reprobetur authoritas sed quod ista non credantur esse ipso●um that is Not that the authoritie of such Men who haue pleased God is rejected but because it is believed that those are not the workes of such Men but of other men sayeth Beda vnder those mens names But the last tho not the least craftie Counterfeyts and Corrupters that ever Satan prevayled by for erecting his kingdome of Darkenesse and a Throne to the Vicar of his Power was that Locust brood which came out of the bottomlesse Pit even that numerous and noysome swarme of Monks other Popish Clergie to whome I may say as Ierome sayde to Ruffinus for preassing to substitute a certayne Arrians Booke for Theophilus Martyr In the Day of Iudgement consider what they will answere to the Complayntes of such holie Men Whose Reverend Names they haue so Roguishlie abused vnto most wicked purposes AN APPENDIX For discerning of Counterfeyts FIrst there are 30 Epistles or there-about of ancient Romane Bishops obtruded vnto vs for the Pope's Supremacie and other Popish Errours vvhich to bee altogether counterfeyt heere-by may bee knowne 1. By the matter contained in them of pleading for Supremacie which was never so much as once thought vpon by those holie Bishops as their owne Duaren out of ancient Records testifieth and concludeth saying Nec dubium est quin vetustiores sancteor●sque urbis Romae Episcopi sede Ecclesiaque propria contenti ●e●quis Episcopis Ecclesiarum ipsis commissarum liberam administrationem reliquerint quasi urbis unius magis quam orbis Episcopi that is It is no doubt but that the more ancient and holie Bishops of Rome contenting them-selues with their owne proper Seat and Church did leaue to other Bishops the free administration of their Churches in like manner as being Bishops rather of one Citie than of the whole World to wit by the new and now claimed vniversall Supremacie A Pope of their owne testifying likewise that before the Councell of Nice small respect vvas had to the Church of Rome but everie Bishop lived to himselfe and as the same Duaren and Cardinall Cusanus testifieth it beeing but later that the Bishops that succeeded those did farre transgresse those limits of ancient Moderation Next those Epistles are farced vvith the injunction of an heape of Ceremonies vvhich were not not onlie in their times heard of but a long time after in the Church of CHRIST as Augustine and Rbenanus witnesseth and the reason vvhere-of their owne Salmeron giveth to bee this Quia primitivi magis essentialibus fid●i plantandis quam ceremoniis vacabant that is Because the primitiue Bishops did vake more and ●ooke care to plant the essentiall Doctrines of Faith than to plant Ceremonies in the Church of CHRIST 2. By the manner or forme of speach vsed in them as by a cleare Shibboleth they may bee discerned counterfeyt beeing written in such a barbarous sort of Diction vvhich was no wayes to bee heard especiallie amongst such learned Bishops as then vvere in Rome the Latine Language in those times being there as it were at the Fountaine head pure terse and neate in the mouthes of all Men. 3. Their Style is all one which never hapneth to bee so vvithout diversitie amongst diversitie of W●●ters except these 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 onlie vvho vvere the Spirits Pen men of Sacred and holie Scripture where one was onlie Indyter altho the Scribes were diverse 4. There is no alleadgeance of them in the most famous Councels by anie Romane Bishops or their Deputies where either Lawes were made against anie such Supremacie as in the Councels of Constantinople Chalcedon and Ephesus or where hottest contestation was for anie such either by the Bishop of Rome for himselfe as in the fact of Zozimus at the Councell of Carthage or in the impugning the vsurpatiō of it by another as in the writings of Gregorie is apparent against the Patriarch of Constantinople 5. There is no mention of those Epistles in the works and writings of the most ancient and primitiue Doctors that either lived then or a long time there-after in the first 400 yeares aboue which doubtlesse if anie such had beene they had not escaped so their notice nor they omitted some-where and vpon some occasions to made mention thereof Secondlie for discerning betweene the true vvrytinges of Fathers and those that are counterfeyt and palliate vnder their names 1. The diversitie of the Stile discovers the diversitie of the writers to a judicious Remarker so that as Augustine speaketh of Cyprian saying Cypriani stylus habet propriam quandam faciem qua possit agnosci that is Cyprian's Style hath a certayne proper Face or resemblance where-by it may bee knowne Even so the verie lyke may bee sayde of others And by this Note of Cognisance Bellarmine him-selfe maketh sequestration of sundrie Patches from the other Workes of ancient Wryters whose name they pretende 2. The grosse Slips which are found in those counterfeyt Additions show that they goe masked onelie vnder false Titles which proceedeth from Ignorance or neglect of computation of Tymes and those Slips are eyther in nomination of persons or recording of Heresies or mentionating of Actions By the first sorte are discovered Iustinus Questions to bee
he citeth againe the foresaide Chrysostome saying Tumulos Martyrum adoremus vvhere-as Chrysostome vvithout anie vvord of adoration sayeth onely 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ●angamus Againe vvhen as Pope Leo his Epistle is cited for the priviledge of Marriage in the Clergie speaking as Moses did of the conditions of the High-Priest's Wyfe De muliere sacerdotis eligenda that is What a one for Wyfe the Priest should make choyse of without anie more warrandable Reason than bare Alleadgeance Bellarmine sayth Legitur in codicibus melioribus de muliere sacerdotio elegendi that is It is read in those Bookes that are better reformed to wit by Popish Transforming of the Wyfe of the Priest that is to bee chosen Insinuating there-by that howsoever he might haue had a Wyfe before his Su●ception of Priesthood yet there-after hee might not haue anie In lyke manner the same Bellarmine to proue that Antichrist is not yet come hee bringeth this reason That when hee commeth the Persecution of the Church shall bee so great and manifest that such a separation shall bee made contrarie to Matthew 13 30 that all the Wicked and lurking Hypocrites shall bee conveaned together in Antichrist's Hoaste openly oppugne the Church of the Sayncts which sayeth hee hath not yet beene and therefore that Antichrist is not yet come But to proue his Major hee adduceth a falsified Testimonie of Augustine's saying A● tunc erumpent omnes in apertam persecutionem ex latebris odiorum that is And then all the Wicked shall burst foorth in open Persecution out of the lurking Holes of their hatred VVhere-as Augustine's true wordes are these onlie speaking of Satan's loosing Exibit a●tem dictum est sayth hee in apertam persecutionem de la●eb● is ●rumpet odiorum that is As is sayde Satan shall goe foorth in open persecution and out of the lurking Holes of his hatred to the Godlie shall hee then breake out More-over vvhen Pope Clements owne Testimonie in Eusebiu● is adduced to show that of the Apostles after CHRIST'S Assumption Nemo sibi vendicabat primatus gloriam that is Never one of them did challenge to them-selues the honour of Primacie one aboue another Bellarmine answereth That albeit in the Edition of Basill of Ruffinus Version which is the oldest and vnsuspect these fore-named words be yet in the Edition of Colen turned and set foorth by a Catholicke Romane since then vvhich is later and done by a Partie the vvord of Primacie is not to be seene there is notable purging And for these vvords saith he Bishop of the Apostles speaking of S. Iames is to be found Bishop of Ierusalem Heere is againe a notable alteration and both the former Purgings this are cleared by our Adversaries Like-wise the same Bellarmine freelie confesseth Pope Gregorie's Epistles to be cunninglie corrupted by Popish Episcopal Parasites who vvould haue Confirmation onlie to belong to Bishops and therefore they haue put in the fore-saide Epistles baptizandos for baptizatos that is Those that are to bee baptized for Those that are baptized The like corruption hee confesseth to bee in Pope Gregorie's Morals by those vvho affirming the Fire of Purgatorie not to bee materiall and bodilie haue put in incorporeum for corporeum that is Incorporeall for Corporeall And vvhen a Testimonie out of Socrates is produced against the Antiquitie of their fourtie dayes of Lent after that Bellarmine vvithout anie vvarrand or certaintie hath saide onlie Probabile est codicem Socratis esse corruptum that is It is likelie that Socrates booke bath beene corrupted hee subjoyneth Pro tribus septimanis scribendum esse quinque that is That for three weekes it is best to write fiue and concludeth that this metamorphosing of Authors is the only fittestvvay when they are straited to extricate them-selues and compose their differs saying Itaque si corrigamus textum Socratis pro tribus septimanis ponamus quinque nulla erit discordia inter Socratem Cassianum that is Therefore sayth he if wee amend the Text of Socrates and if wee put for three weekes fiue then no discord shall bee betweene Socrates and Cassian Againe vvhere-as the Author of the imperfect vvorke vpon Matthew attributed to Chrysostome in the 19 Homilie of the olde Edition 1487 hath Sacrificium panis vini that is The offering of bread and wyne the latter Edition at Paris Apud Audoenum Parvum 1557 hath altered them into these vvords Sacrificium corporis sanguinis CHRISTI that is The sacrifice or oblation of the Bodie and Blood of CHRIST Likewise this Prayer is found in the elder Editions of the Gregorian Sacramentarie vvhere-by is proven That Prayer which was vsed of olde for the Dead did not necessarilie inferre That their Soules were therfor in Purgatorie for whō they did pray Annue nobis Domine ut anima famuli tui Leonis haec prosit Oblatio that is Grant vs O Lord that this Oblation may profit the Soule of thy Servant Pope Leo. For which the later Editions haue chopt in this Prayer Annue nobis Domine at intercessione famuli tui Leonis haec nobis prosit oblatio that is Grant vs O Lord that by the intercession of thy Servant Leo this Offering may profit vs. I neede not to repeat agayne that alteration of Cyprian's wordes which is alreadie mentioned in this same Chapter putting Dignitatis for Potestatis Honour for Power where-vnto the Reader for inspection of the whole Forgerie may haue his Recourse By such fraudfull Relation then of their Myndes and Alteration of the words of ancient Fathers they haue not onelie as it were marred their Complexion and for Shibboleth made them say Siboleth but shamelesselie also to haue called Light Darknesse and Darknesse Light as in their dealing with the purging of Bertram they openlie professe ordaining by their Expurgatorie Index for Visibiliter fol. 1137 to bee put Invisibiliter And so for founding their Vsurpation haue sought so to confound the Trueth that if their owne Mouths did not condemne those naughtie Servantes and their owne Pennes and Paynes discovered not vnto vs some Examples by Hercules Foote to cognosse the rest of his hudge Stature Wee should doubt that those whome the LORD made in their age lyke Elias to pleade for the Trueth lyke Iesabels Priestes that they had beene rather Pleaders for Baal And therefore we see how necessarie is that Caveat of Vincentius Lyrinensis That it is dangerous to commit the Tryall of inveterate Errours to the Wrytinges of Auncientes how-so-ever he commend the Tryall of such as are new broached to bee made by the consent of Fathers his wordes are these But neyther al-wayes nor all kinds of Heresies are to bee impugned after this manner but such as are new and latelie sprung vp namely when they first aryse whyle by the straytnesse of Tyme it selfe they may bee impeded from falsifying the Rules of ancient Fayth and before that their Poyson
Holie and ancient Fathers which the force of Trueth maketh them elsewhere to acknowledge and confesse to bee counterfeyt let the ensewing practise and these proofs testifie A First Arnobius is adduced by Bellarmine agaynst vs in the matter of Free-will as a most ancient Father but is disclaymed else-where by him as a m●ere Counterfeyt and Novice Next Abdias his Workes are cited by Bellarmine for Monasticall lyfe and yet hee confesseth that the Learned of their owne Church holde the same for counterfeyt Agayne Amphilochius his Vita S. Basilii is cited by Bellarmine to proue That vnder the Spece of Bread onlie the Eucharist of olde was had to the Sicke and for proofe of Papall confirmation and yet elsewhere without anie doubt he pronounceth that booke to bee a false Counterfeyt Lyke-wyse Athanasius Sermon De Sanctissima Deipara is cited by Bellarmine for Invocation of Sayncts but is declared by Baronius to bee a miere Counterfeyt So is the 82 Epistle of Saynct Ambrose cited by Bellarmine for the Vow of single life yet Possevin granteth that it is none of Ambroses In like manner Anselmus is cited by Bellarmine for Purgatorie for Reall presence for the Virgines immaculate conception and for Free-will and yet Possevin showeth that one Herveus Natalis who lived onlie 250 yeares since is the writer of those Commentaries falselie attributed to Anselmus More-over Anacletus Epistles are cited by Pighius and Stapleton for the Supremacie and yet Cardinall Cusanus pronounceth them but miere forgerie B. Againe Boniface second Epistle is cited by Pighius Harding Stapleton and Turrecremata to proue that the African Councell submitted thēselues to the Pope yet Bellarmine declareth that this Epistle is but suspicious and counterfeyt C. Likewise Bellarmine citeth Cassianus as a verie ancient Father in the matter of Prayer of Popish Satisfaction of Iustification and set fasts against vs yet he acknowledgeth that Booke else-where to bee but Apocryphall and counterfeyt and condemned as such in a Romane Councell vnder Pope Gelasius In which Councell in like manner was the Canons of the Apostles declared to bee such also and yet as the true Canons of the Apostles are they cited by Bellarmine for proofe of Easters observation and Papall Confirmation Likewise Bellarmine citeth that Sermon De ablutione p●dum as S. Cyprian's against vs to proue the indeleble Character of holie Orders and yet else-where he pronounceth the same Apocryphall So are Pope Clement's Epistles cited by Bellarmine for the Supremacie reservation of the Sacrament and Popish Confirmation and yet else-where hee showeth that it is vncertaine who writ them and some hee prooveth clearlie to bee mierlie counterfeyt Of the same Stampe he acknowledgeth Calixtus Epistle the first of Clement's the third of Anacletus the first of Anicetus the first of Victors the first of Zepherius the second of Calixtus the first of Lucius and of Marcellus the third of Eusebius and the first of Melchiades and Marcus which notwithstanding are all adduced by him and others ordinarilie to prooue the Pope's Supremacie Vnder the same Coloures also marcheth Cornelius Epistle cited by Bellarmine for prayer to the Dead which Baronius declareth assuredlie to bee but falselie fathered Also that Booke De Cardinalibus operibus Christi is cited by Bellarmine as Cyprian's for Transsubstantiation and by sundrie others for other points of Poperie and yet hee else-where clearly disclaimeth the same as a craftie counterfeyt In like manner is that Epistle written to S. Augustine of S. Ierome's Miracles cited as S. Cyrils as I shewed before by Suarez and by Eckius for Purgatorie and by others for the Reall presence and worshipping of Saincts which Possevin notwithstanding and that which is before discovered declareth to bee a grosse Forgerie D Agayne Bellarmine citeth Dionysius Areopagita for Invocation of Sayncts Purgatorie and Monasticall lyfe c. And this is that famous S. Dennice say the Rhemists who prooveth playnlie almost all things that the Church now vseth in the ministration of the holie Sacrament and affirmeth that hee learned them of the Apostles giving also testimonie for the Catholicke Fayth in most thinges nowe contraverted so playnlie that our Adversaries haue no Shift but to deny this Dennice to haue bene the Author of them And yet what sayeth their owne Bellarmine of this booke It is vncertayne at all sayeth he if that booke be Saynct Dennices whose name is pretended Lyke-wyse Damasus Pontificall is cited by Bellarmine to proue that Election of Bishops onelie belongeth to the Pope for Chrisme in Baptisme for Images and Ceremonies of the Masse and yet hee sayeth else-where that it is notorlie known that Damasus was never the wryter of that booke but Anastasius onelie the master of the Pope's Librarie Damascen in lyke manner his booke De iis qui in fide migrarunt is cited by Bellarmine for the proofe of Purgatorie and yet else-where hee disclaymeth the same to bee Damascen's at all and sayeth that most easilie the same may bee proven E Agayne Eusebius his third Epistle is cited by Bellarmine for the Supremacie and yet he professeth that it is no-wyse certayne who is the wryter there-of Eucherius Commentaries also on Genesis and the Kinges are cited by Bellarmine for Free-will and the Masse but he declareth elsewhere that those cannot bee Eucherius bookes seeing hee oft tymes citeth Gregorie who lived not an hundreth yeares after In lyke manner Eusebius Epistle of the death of Saynct Ierome is cited by Peresius for Transsubstantiation and by Durandus for the adoration of the Host and yet this Epistle not onlie sayth Bellarmine doeth it manifest the Noveltie there-of but also both Ignorance and Deceit F. Againe Fabianus Epistle is cited by Bellarmine to proue Traditions and by the Rhemists to proue Transsubstantiation but that this Booke is counted counterfeyt and Apocryphal Bellarmine else-where clearlie granteth vnto vs. G. Gregorie Nyssen his 8 books De Philosophia are cited like-wise by Bellarmine for Free-wil yet else-where hee confesseth that they looke no wayes like such a man's bookes So are Pope Gregorie's Epistles frequentlie adduced to proue that Sacraments conferre Grace Ex opere operato for Popish Confirmation and that Concupiscence after Baptisme is no Sinne and yet he confesseth else-where that they are corrupt and vitiate And Possevin declareth also his booke on the Canticlos to bee a miere counterfeyt which Bellarmine citeth for the fore-saide Confirmation H. Againe Hegesippus booke is cited by Bellarmine to prooue Peter's beeing and dying at Rome and yet Baronius testifieth that this booke is a plaine counterfeyt So are Hermes works called Pastoralis cited by Coccius for the Angel
vvhich is produced agaynst the vnlawfull keeping of impossible and vnlawfull Vowes 2. How the Romanists without anie farther Warrand alleadge onlie of some Fathers That perhaps they are counterfeyt FIrst when the Treatise of Gregorie Nyssen or his Epistle is produced against Pilgrymages Bellarmine answereth thus heere-to Fortenon est Nysseni that is Perhaps that Epistle is not Nyssen's Agayne when Basill is cited agaynst their distinction of Sinne into Mortall and Veniall Bellarmine aunswereth That probablie that worke is not Basill's Lyke-wyse vvhen Pope Bonifacius seconde Epistle is brought foorth agaynst papall Supremacie Bellarmine answereth Valde mihi suspecta est haec Epistola that is I suspect that Epistle greatlie In lyke manner when OEcumenius is adduced to proue that Antichrist shall not sit in the Temple of Ierusalem Bellarmine answereth Fortasse depravatus est textus illius that is Perhaps his Text or Copie is corrupt and vitiate Also when pope Honorius owne Epistles are exhibited which proue him to haue beene an Hereticke and are insert in the eight Generall Councell where-in hee was condemned Bellarmine answereth Fortasse illas Epistolas esse confictas insertas Concilia generali ab Hereticis that is Perhaps those Epistles were counterfeyted and inserted in the Generall Councell by Heretickes More-over when Venerable Beda is adduced testifying that this same pope Honorius was an Hereticke and solemnlie condemned in a Generall Councell as such and therefore consequentlie hee prooveth Facto by deed agaynst their doctrine now That the pope may erre Bellarmine heere-vnto aunswereth Videtur aliquis sciolus addidisse nomen Honorii in lib●o Bedae that is It would seeme that some Smatterer hath added the name of Honorius in Beda's booke Lyke-wyse vvhen in the matter of their superstitious Fast on set Dayes a Canon of the Apostles and Ignatius Epistle also are produced agaynst fasting on Saturday Bellarmine answereth Potest fieri ut tam in Canone Apostolico quam in Epistolam Ignati● solum probiberetur jejunium diei Dominicae sed postea à Graecis poste●ioribus insertum fuerit nomen Sabbathi that is It may bee that as well in the Canon of the Apostles as in the Epistle of Ignatius onelie Fasting on the Lord's Day was forbidden but after that the Grecians who were later inserted the word Sabbath In lyke manner when Damasus the Author of the Pontificall and their owne Gratian lyke-wise declareth That Pope Anastasius the second was of one communion with the Hereticke Photinus Bellarmine answereth Illud de Photino forte est mendaciam that is That Relation concerning Photinus Perhaps it is a Lie Agayne when wee produce Socrates Testimonie agaynst the antiquitie of their superstitious fourt●e dayes Lent Bellarmine answereth Probabile est codicem Socratis esse corruptum that is It is lykelie or may bee that Socrates booke bee corrupted More-over when a whole Convent of Fathers in a Romane Councell vnder pope Sylvester are brought foorth agaynst the receiving of young Nunnes forbidding them to bee vailed before 72 years of age Yet Bellarmine without anie farther assurance in the contrarie answereth onlie Fortasse multo minorem numerum debe●e poni pro 72 that is Perhaps a farre lesse number of Yeares ought to bee put there than 72. And when a Canon of the Councel of Laterane is adduced for the lawfulnesse of the Marriage of the Clergie not reprehended there in the East Church Bellarmine aunswereth Canonem illum forte non esse ullius authoritatis that is That perhaps that Canon is of no authoritie So that what solide answeres these are to elide that which so clearlie maketh agaynst them and howe they would bee hissed at on our part let anie vnpartiall Man judge And yet these are they who shamelesselie clayme all Antiquitie so clearlie to make for them As the Lyon there-fore may bee knowne by his Paw and Hercules hudge stature by his Foote onlie So by these few Examples preceeding and from the practise but of one especiallie proceeding wee may see what is the lyke Trade and Custome of the rest This is the Direction of that Popish Crue at Duay saying of Ancients that make agaynst them Excogitato commento persaepe negemus that is By devising out a Shift let vs even often times disclaime them Which their Cardinal Baronius calleth Honeslum Confugiū or an honest vvay of escaping an vnhonest he should haue saide And their Sanders calleth Verissimum praesentaneum Remedium A most true present Helpe And if they cannot vvithout grosse Impudencie disclaime Auncientes wee see they come next to the last Bore of their conjecturall Alleadgeances of Perhaps and I suspect or It is probable and would seeme or may bee that they are so as they would haue them And this is their Non ultra hic baerent Therefore justlie wee see that wee may turne over vpon them that vvhich Hart saieth to Raynolds Viam tenetis facilem expeditam modo strenue per gatis respuite omnes authores qui contra vos faciunt supposititios esse dicite it a nempe par est patronos impudentes pudendam causam pudendis viis defendere that is Yee haue gotten saieth he an easie and cleare way so that yee cowragiouslie goe forwardes there-in reject all Authors that make against you and call them counterfeit for so it is fit that shamelesse Patrons by shamefull vvayes should defende a shamefull Cause Their practise herein being like that of the Manicheant as Augustine showeth concerning Apostolicall Writs Inde probo saide Faustus the Manichean hoc illius esse illud non esse quia hoc pro me sonat illud contrame that is Hence I proue this to bee Apostolicall Writ and that not to bee because this maketh for me and that maketh against mee Even as Bellarmine hath no better Warrand to reject Paschasius Testimonie cited against their Mutilation of the Sacrament as none of his but corrupt and vitiate Because saieth hee vvhere it is saide Bibite it should haue beene saide Edite Which is as much to say That Paschasius is not Paschasius except hee speake in the Romane Dialect and frame his Daunce to the Pope's Spring CHAP. IX How the Romanists alleadge the Fathers for them in one place and poynt of Doctrine and at their pleasure reject them in another when they can neyther alleadge them to bee corrupt nor counterfeyt FOR PROBATION heere-of first Bellarmine adduceth S. Augustine for him to proue their sore of Reall Presence in the Sacrament but with a nore of Ignorance he rejecteth him where he expoundeth by the Rocke whereon the Church is builded that Christ onelie meaned revoking anie other Exposition that he had made of the same And when wee adduce out of his booke De moribus Ecclesiae which they oft cite Testimonies against their worshipping of Reliques Bellarmine rejecteth the same with this answere
Scripsit librum binc in primordiis conversionis suae that is He wrote that booke in the beginning of his Conversion Which Answere how little it is to the purpose anie Man may see seeing wee finde no-wise that ever hee retreated the same Like-wise hee citeth Chrysostome for the same manner of Reall Presence but vvhen hee is cited to prooue that the Virgine Marie was conceived in originall Sinne because shee actuallie offended Tolet rejecteth Saynct Chrysostome and sayeth That heere-in hee is not to bee allowed In like manner Bellarmine adduceth Cyprian for the same point yet of Reall Presence but hee rejecteth him flatlie when he maketh against Traditions saying That hee wrote that when hee would defende his Errour against the Romane Church Sainct Ierome also is brought foorth as a Patron of the same Reall Presence but is roundlie rejected in the point of Ecclesiasticall Hierarchie saying that hee maintained a verie false Opinion More-over Ireneus is cited by Bellarmine for the same preceeding point but is rejected in his Exposition of the Number of the Beast's Name that it is Lateinus Lactantius like-wise as a most ancient Father is adduced by Bellarmine to prooue Popish Satisfaction but is rejected roughlie with this Dittie when he maketh against him as in the matter of Images c. Lactantius sayeth hee fell in manie Errours Againe through all his Controversies Origen is cited by Bellarmine for speciall Confirmation as of Monasticall life workes of Supererogation and such like but when in the matter of Traditions or other pointes hee is opposed then hee is rejected as one saieth Bellarmine of no Authoritie Yea more-over hee showeth where hee was seene in Hell with Arrius and Nestorius Like-wise Prudentius is adduced by Bellarmine for Popish Confirmation Pilgrymage and vowing to Sainctes c. But when he maketh against him hee is rejected roundlie saying More poetico lusisse Prudentium that is That Prudentius playeth him-selfe after a poeticall manner When Ruffinus also seemeth to make for Adoration of Reliques he is cited by Bellarmine as a most ancient and Reverende Father But when hee clearlie maketh against the Pope's Supremacie hee is verie vnmannerlie rejected as one that is false and vntrue In like manner Theophylact is frequentlie cited by Bellarmine as for Monasticall lyfe and Papall Supremacie but is rejected thus whē hee maketh against him saying That hee lived in the time of a Schisme and therefore his authoritie is not worthie to bee received Enthymius like-wise is cited by Bellarmine as one of great authoritie when hee maketh for him but is thus casten at his heeles when hee maketh against him saying Nō est adeo à nobis magnifaciendus that is Hee is not much to bee esteemed by vs. Thus may it truelie bee spoken of the Romanistes vvhich Anastasius Sinaita Patriarch of Antioch reporteth of the Hereticke Severus in his booke written against the Severians to wit Even as hee had beene the Iudge of the quicke and the dead hee so vsed at his pleasure the Fathers of the Church receiving vvhome hee pleased and rejecting in them what-so-ever hee listed And that this same is done now by our Adversaries the preceeding Examples doe evidentlie show AN APPENDIX Of the Romanistes their other shamelesse and fraudulent forme of Answeres to cleare Testimonies of Fathers objected against them 1. By giving a Sence cleare contrarie to their wordes EXamples heere-of we haue in that Directorie of the Duay Seminarie where they ordaine in the booke of that auncient Bertram not onlie Invisibiliter to bee put for Visibiliter but thereafter that the words Secundum creaturarum substantiam that is According to the substance of the Creatures shall bee expounded Secundum externas species Sacramenti that is According to the externall qualities or accidents of the Sacramēt No lesse absurdlie like-wise doeth Bellarmine affirme That by the substance of the Elementes vvhich Theodoret avoweth to remaine still as they were before after Consecration that he meaneth not onelie bare Accidentes to remaine but the nature onlie of Accidents to abide saying While Theodoret affirmeth saieth hee that the substance of the Elements abideth and is not changed hee speaketh of the Essence and Nature of the Accidentes But a most pregnant Example of anie which wee haue of late is that which is in the Compende of Becanus Manuell a Iesuit who aunswering to those wordes of Chrysostome which are so cleare against the Popish Mutilation of the Sacrament to wit Omnibus unus Panis proponitur unum Poculum that is To all men who-soever one Bread is offered and one Cup together Becanus answereth That by the Cup the Cup is not meaned but the Blood which by concomitance is the Bodie and which after that manner the Laicks receiue Whereas the holy Father Chrysostome could not haue meaned by the Cup the blood in the bodie seeing by the contrarie the Cup is ever called and that by Christ Him-selfe The blood that is shed and powred out of the bodie neyther could hee possiblie more clearlie haue spoken distinguishing betweene the Bread and the Cup and declaring that vnder both kindes Eating and Drinking the people of olde did duelie communicate 2. How they answere by tempering the words of the Fathers OF this fraudfull Shift by tempering as they call it the wordes of the Fathers to play to their Tune wee haue a notable Example in our fore-saide Bellarmine vvho treating of the Irremissiblenesse of the Sinne against the Holie Ghost and that it is helde to bee absolutelie such he saieth This appeareth to be the minde of Athanasius Hilarie Ierome and Anselmus on the twelft of Matthew Videtur tamen temperanda saieth hee id est irremissibile esse ordinarie ut plarimum that is But their speach would bee tempered to wit that this Sinne is ordinarilie irrimissible and for the most part Which is both contrarie to the wordes of those Fathers as also contrarie to the verie absolute speach of Christ and last of all crosseth his owne Rule saying Non oportet restringere quod Deus amplum esse voluit that is We must not make a restriction of those words which God will haue to bee absolutelie taken The like Example we haue also in qualifying of Sainct Bernard's wordes which wee adduce against popish Merites out of his 310 Epistle where-in hee declareth that his whole life even to the verie last period there-of which hee calleth Calcaneum was al-to-gether destitute of Merites But how aunswereth Bellarmine and qualifieth or tempereth hee this Speach Perhaps saieth hee hee spake this humbly but not truely Which sense against sense Bernard him-selfe else-where pithilie over-throweth saying When ye haue done all things that are commanded say that yee are vnprofitable Servantes But thou wilt say saieth Bernard that hee willed vs to say so for Humilities sake Yes indeede But willed
wordes there-vnto and there-fore that the same is of no authoritie nor his Relation there-of of anie credit at all Like-wise let vs see how vpō incertayne probabilities and conjecturall suspicions onlie they reject what-so-ever they finde to make agaynst them VVhen that Record is adduced of pope Boniface the second who in his Letter to Eulalius bishop of Thessalonica maketh manifest That the whole Fathers of that famous Councell of Carthage being excommunicated of the bishop of Rome in token of their not acknowledgement of such power or Supremacie that they remayned so without regard there-of for the space of an hundreth yeares and died moste of them all vnder the said Censure Augustine being one of them yet accounted a Saynct Bellarmine hereto aunswereth Valde mihi Epistolas eas esse suspectas that is That hee suspecteth greatlie those Epistles of Boniface vvhere-as their owne Lindanus sayeth That hee that scorneth those as forged I pray you vvhat will hee leaue sayeth hee of all the Storie of Antiquitie safe or sound vnto vs And when wee produce Socrates Testimonie against the Antiquitie of the fourtie dayes of their Popish Lent Bellarmine answereth That it is probable that Socrates booke is corrupted 3. How they admit them as true onelie when they make for them but otherwyse roughlie reject them TO cleare this out of our foresayde Bellarmine when hee is to liberate Pope Liberius of Arrianisme hee citeth the Testimonie of Socrates Zozomen and Nicep●orus as the faithfull Recorders of that Age and yet when Socrates is cited by vs to witnesse the Nicen Councels acquiescing to Paphnutius speach concerning the married Clergie and Zozomen is brought to witnesse Nectarius fact against Auricular Confession Bellarmine calleth ●hem both in those points manifest Liars and Heretickes even as Baronius sayth the lyke of Nicephorus whereas their owne Canus avoweth all those to bee Probatae fidei Authores that is Authors of approved Credite In lyke manner Sopbronius and Simeon Metaphrastes are cited by Bellarmine ut illustres Historici to proue his point of Papacie but when they report that Linus died before Peter whome they make to haue beene Pope after Peter and ●o ●alsifieth their Succession then are they disdainfullie repudiated by Bellarmine Lyke-wyse Bellarmine adduceth Zonaras to proue Honorius Innocencie as there-in one of sole and singular Authoritie yet in another case concerning the Emperour Constantines commanding of Pope Sylvester Bellarmine rejecteth his Narration and Testimonie Also Bellarmine adduceth Marianus Scotus whom Baronius calleth Nobilis Chronologus to proue Pope Zacharie's just deposing of Childerike King of France and Pope Gregorie's the seaventh just oppositiō to Henrie the fourth But when Fasciculus Temporum who followeth him and the Passionall two of their famous Histories are produced to improoue Peter's sitting at Rome Bellarmine answereth Wee justlie contemne sayeth hee Fasciculus Temporum and the Passional chiefelie seeing Fasciculus followeth Marianus Scotus who contradicteth most clearlie both himselfe and the Trueth Againe for the justnesse of the fore-named Pope Zacharie's deposition of King Childericke Bellarmine citeth Sigebert but when hee is cited to testifie the Innocencie of Henrie the fourth whom Hildebrand persecuted then Bellarmine alleadgeth him to bee vnworthie of Credite Lykewyse for the clearing of the orderlie and just proceedinges in Pope Gregorie's Election to the Papacie Bellarmine citeth Platina as the onelie saythfull Recorder in whom sayeth hee is the verie forme of his election set downe But when hee is adduced by vs to prooue the noveltie of Auricular Confession and that the first enjoynet there-of was Innocent the third Bellarmine rejecteth Platina saying I trow it bee a Lie sayeth hee which Platina reporteth adding that hee is no authorized Author altho his Declaration in his Preface to the Pope by whose command hee vvrote doeth evidentlie shovv the contrarie In lyke manner in a matter of Historie for proofe that Peter substituted Clement to succeed him Bellarmine citeth Tertullian Tanquam gravissimus author but vvhen hee is adduced by vs to proue that Pope Zepherin vvas a Monatist in this poynt of Historie Bellarmine answereth That there is no trust to bee given to him Also Gregorie's Dialogues and the Stories there-in contayned are cyted by Bellarmine for Monasticall lyfe and invocation of Sayncts c. but is rejected as false when he ridiculouslie telleth of a Purgatorie of Soules after death into warme Bathes Thus vse they their Historicians at their pleasure whether ancient or more recent even as Herod vsed the Baptist who altho hee heard him in manie things gladlie yet he rejected and persecuted him in the matter of Herodias 4. How they haue so forged and corrupted Recordes that are extant and taken others al-together out of the way that in things concerning the Trueth which maketh agaynst them they haue left verie little to bee seene and feysted in manie contrarie Falsehoods THE thing that ever that Whoore of Babylon hath most laboured for and her Suppostes for her haue most endevoured hath beene still A Supreame and sole Soveraignitie The which altho a Pope and one of the Sitters on that Scarlet-coloured Beast doeth ingenuouslie confesse That Rome was free and farre from the lyke Challenge or the Church of GOD from the acknowledgement of anie such Diotrephes-lyke Preheminence in her purest and primitiue tymes whyle as shee remayned as an holie and chaste Spouse vnto CHRIST vnder the Dragon's Persecution till the tyme of the Councell of Nice Yet that the World may bee borne in hand That such Supremacie as is nowe challenged was ever reckoned due to that Seate of Majestie and that even from the verie beginning and profession of true Christianitie that shee did sit as a Queene there-fore for probation heere-of and to make vp that Gappe betweene the Apostolicall tymes and that Councell of Nice they haue forged some Decretall Epistles of the bishops of Rome to haue interveaned fraughted with no other Ballast nor Burden but Soveraignitie and their Hornes still sounding on high the trebble tune onelie of Lordes Paramont and Vniversall Seignorie And if the Nicene Fathers haue beene too niggardlie disposed by passing a Sentence of confyning those Romane bishops within their owne Circuites agaynst anie such boundlesse and vniversall Supremacie then the VVorlde must knowe that shee is not so destitute of Lovers but that shee hath her Favourites which can mende their Fault and lyke Picke-Lockes with wrong Keyes release their holie Mother from such narrowe Imprisonment and can make Canons before hande to bee vrged in due tyme by their pope Zozimus and to giue such an hard Charge to a whole Africane Councell as they shall bee in hope that those shall yeelde presentlie to such a braue Batterie VVhich if that fayle them as vnluckilie it did and that Paper onelie bee found in the shot in place of hard Bullet Then shall bee