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A91309	Truth triumphing over falshood, antiquity over novelty. Or, The first part of a just and seasonable vindication of the undoubted ecclesiasticall iurisdiction, right, legislative, coercive power of Christian emperors, kings, magistrates, parliaments, in all matters of religion, church-government, discipline, ceremonies, manners: summoning of, presiding, moderating in councells, synods; and ratifying their canons, determinations, decrees: as likewise of lay-mens right both to sit and vote in councells; ... In refutation of Mr. Iohn Goodwins Innocencies Triumph: my deare brother Burtons Vindication of churches, commonly called Independent: and of all anti-monarchicall, anti-Parliamentall, anti-synodicall, and anarchicall paradoxes of papists, prelates, Anabaptists, Arminians, Socinians, Brownists, or Independents: whose old and new objections to the contrary, are here fully answered. / By William Prynne, of Lincolnes Inne, Esquire.	Prynne, William, 1600-1669.	1645 (1645)	Wing P4115; Thomason E259_1; ESTC R212479	202,789	171

Articles of Religion and enjoyning subscription thereunto under penalties losse of Benefices and other Ecclesiasticall penalties Limiting likewise the age of such who are to be made Ministers ch 17. Concerning the Leases of Benefices and Ecclesiasticall livings with Cure 18. Eliz. c. 6. Concerning the taking away of Clergy c. 23 Eliz. c. 1. To retain the Queens Majesties subjects in their due obedience made against Jesuits Semenary Priests and others receiving Orders from Rome and the harbourers of them under capitall penalties 27. Eliz. c. 2. Against Jesuits Seminary Priests and such other disobedient persons 29. Eliz. c. 6. Concerning Recusants 31. Eliz. c. 1. Against Symony 35 Eliz. c. 1. Against Seperatists and Schismaticks refusing conformity to our Church Service and Liturgie who are lyable to imprisonment fines and other penalties for it by the Law ch 2. For restraining Popish Recusants to some certaine plate of abode 29 Eliz. c. 8. For confirmation of the Deprivation of divers Bishops and Deanes in the beginning of the Queens Raigne ch 22. Concerning the Bishop of Norwich are plentifull evidences of what I plead for In King James his Raigne I finde many Acts of Parliament asserting the Kings and Parliaments Ecclesiasticall jurisdictions as 1 Jacobi c. 1● Concerning the Kings Title to the Crowne ch 2. Concerning Archbishopricks and Bishopricks ch 5. For the due execution of the Statutes against Jesuites Seminary Priests Recusants ch 12. Against second marriages till former wives or husbands bee dead ch 31. For building a new Church in Melcombe Regis to be the Parish Church of Radepoll and for making the Church of Radepoll a Chappell to it 3 Jacobi c. 3. for a publick thanksgiving to Almighty God every yeare on the fift day of November for the deliverance from the hellish Gunpowder treason ch 4. For the better discovering and suppressing of Popish Recusants which prescribes a new oath of Allegiance ch 5. To prevent and avoyd danger which may grow by Popish Recusants which likewise prohibits the Importations of any Popish Books Agnus Dei Crucifixes c. ch 20. To restraine abuses of Players 21. Jacobi ch 17. Against Usury ch 20. To prevent and reforme prophane swearing and cursing The Statutes in King Charles his Raigne are punctuall evidences of the Soveraign Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction of our Kings Parliaments in all which we find not onely severall Committees appointed concerning Religion frequent in all Queene Elizabeths and King James their Parliaments but also sundry Statutes concerning Religion and Church-matters as namely 1 Carols c. 1. For punishing divers abuses committed on the Lords day 3 Caroli c. 1. For further reformation of divers abuses on the Lords day ch 2. To restraine the passing or sending of any to be Popishly bred beyond the Seas But the severall Acts Ordinances and Proceedings of this present Parliament concerning all matters of Religion Church government and Ecclesiasticall affaires are presidents beyond all exception The Acts already passed For suppressing the High-Commission disabling any Clergy-man to meddle with any temporall offices or to be Justices of Peace The taking away of Bishops Votes and their sitting in the House of Peers The severall Acts Votes Ordinances which have passed both House for abolishing all new Canons Plaralities Non-residence punishing of scandalous Ministers Sanctifying the Lords day Keeping of Monethly and other Fasts Celebrating speciall dayes of thanksgiving for sundry Discoveries Victories Prohibiting the printing of erroneous books Suppressing Antinomians Socinians Anabaptists and other Sectaries Abolishing all Innovations Superstitions Idolatreus pictures Images Altars Copes Tapers Royals c. Payment of Tythes Probate of Wills Ordination of Ministers and above all their nominating and convening an Assembly of conscientious pious reverend learned orthodox Divines to assist them in reforming all errors and corruptions in Doctrine Worship Government Discipline and establishing such a pure Worship and Church-government in our Realme as shal be most agreeable to Gods Word wherein they have made a large progresse already the Directory for Worship being now finished and we expect a full accomplishment of this much desired Worke ere long All these with infinite other particulars are a most satisfactory and unanswerable evidence of the Parliaments jurisdiction and Legislative power in all matters of Religion Worship Government Discipline and other Ecclesiasticall things or proceedings whatsoever none of which have ever been settled among us in any age in a legall and obligatory way but onely in and by Parliaments I shall close up these 〈◊〉 Domestick authorities with the Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament concerning the present Assembly of Divines wherein all may clearly discerne the jurisdiction of our Parliaments in all Church affaires matters of Religion and over the Assembly it selfe together with the Instructions or Ruled prescribed to the Assembly which they have punctually observed and submitted to not yet in print An Ordinance of the Lords and Commons in Parliament for the calling of an Assembly of learned and godly Divines and others to be consulted with by the Parliament for the setling of the Government and Liturgy of the Church of England and for vindicating and clearing of the Doctrine of the said Church from false uspertions and interpretations WHereas amongst the infinite blessings of Almighty God upon this Nation none is or can be more deate unto us then the purity of our Religion and for that as yet many things remaine in the Lyturgy Discipline and Government of the Church which doe necessarily require a further and more perfect reformation then as yet hath been attained And whereas it hath been declared and resolved by the Lords and Commons assmbled in Parliament that the present Church-Government by Archbishops Bishops their Chancellors Commissaries Deanes Deanes and Chapters Archdeacons and other Ecclesiasticall Officers depending upon the Hierarchy is evill and justly offensive and bu●thensome to the Kingdome a great impediment to reformation and growth of Religion and very prejudicial to the state and government of this Kingdome and that therefore they are resolved that the same shall be taken away and that such a Government shall be setled in the Church as may be most agreeable to Gods holy Word and most apt to procure and preserve the peace of the Church at home and neerer agreement with the Church of Scotland and other reformed Churches abroad and for the better effecting hereof and for the vindicating and clearing of the doctrine of the Church of England from all false calumnies and aspersions It is thought fit and necessary to call an Assembly of learned godly and judicious Divines who together with some members of both the Houses of Parliament are to consult and advise of such matters and things touching the premises as shall be proposed unto them by both or either of the Houses of Parliament and to give their advice and counsell therein to both or either of the said Houses when and as often as they shall be thereunto requited Be it therefore ordained by

the Assembly not by any particular man or men in a private way when either House shall require it All things agreed 〈◊〉 and prepared for the Parliament to be openly read and allowed in the Assembly if the major part assent Provided that the opinion of any persons dissenting and the reasons urged for it be annexed thereunto if the Dissenters require it Together with Solutions if any were given in the Assembly to these Reasons Jo Browne Cler. Parliamentorum Having thus sufficiently evidenced the authority and jurisdiction of Parliaments in matters of Religion and Church affaires by these numerous punctuall irrefragable Presidents in all Ages give me leave to add these two considerations to them to demonstrate this their undoubted right and priviledge beyond all contradiction and silence every adverse tongue Pen of all Papists Anabaptists Brownists Separatists or Independents whatsoever First that all our ancient and moderne Writs for summoning a Parliament have ever had this speciall clause in them Pro quibusdam ardnis ungentibus negotiis Nos statum defensionem Regni Angliae ECCLESIAE ANGLICANAE concernentibus qu●ddam Parliamentum c. teneri ordinavaimus From whence it is most apparent That the state and defence of the Church of England and well ordering of the same is one Principall end of summoning Parliaments and one maine part of the subject matters of our Parliaments as Sir Edward Cooke resolves 2ly That all every of the pre●ended opposites to Parliaments Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction hand formely and none especially in the present Parliament addressed severall Petitions to this High and Honorable Court for Reformation of the Church suppression of haeresies Errors Idolatry Popery Superstition Schismes Prela●y and establishing Gods true worship Religion Ordinances Discipline as to the most proper Iudicature Tribunall Lawgiver in our Church which they could resort unto and not to the Convocation or any other Assembly of Clergy-men alone or Independent Congregation To give you some few remarkable instances besides those formerly remembred instead of infinite others which I pretermit for brevity Our famous English Apostle Iohn Wickelesse as he professedly maintained in K. Richard the second his Raigne That any Clergy-man yea the Pope himselfe might lawfully be reprehended accused and corrected by Lay-men That the temporall Lords and Princes might lawfully and meritoriously take the possessions and Revenues from the Church and from Ecclesiasticall persons offending habitually c. to the end they might reforme them And that they were obliged to reforme the Church and Prelates under paine of being traitours to Iesus Christ So likewise in the fifth year of this King he Writ and sent to the Lords and great men assembled at London IN PARLIAMENT seven Propositions tending to the abolishing of the Popes usurped power and exactions to selfe the temporalities of Deli●●●ent Bishops to remove Bishops and Clergy-men from all secular imployments 〈◊〉 reforme the abuses of Excommunications and imprisonments upon them to 〈◊〉 Transubstantiation and reforme the Churches both to 〈…〉 the particulars whereof you may read at large in 〈◊〉 And 〈◊〉 long after his learned Disciple William 〈◊〉 a Marty● being unjustly condemned by the Bishop of Hereford for maintaining Wickliffes opinions appealed to the King and Parliament against it and withall writ a pious Letter to the Parliament recorded by Master Fox which concludes thus Deare worshipfull Sirs in this world Theseech you for Christs love as ye yet 〈◊〉 loven Gods Law and Truth that in these dayes is greatly borne abacke that they wollen vouchsafe these things that I send you written to Gods worship to let them be shewed IN THE PARLIAMENT as your wits can best conceive to most worship to our God and to shewing of the truth AND AMENDING OF HOLY CHVRCH My conc●usions and mine● appeale and other true matters of Gods Law if any can finde in them error falsenesse or default privet by the Law of Christ clearly to christian mens knowledge I shall revoke my wrong conceit by Gods law be amended more ready to hold with Gods law openly and privily with Gods grace and nothing to hold teach or maintain that is contrary to his Law By which he made that very Parliament Iudges of his Doctrine had reformers of the Church though for the most part Papists in those dayes On the contrary side the very Papists Prelates Clergy and Convocation in those times did likewise Petition the King and Parliament for suppression of haereticall opinions Preachers Bookes Schooles Conventi●les and the punishment and restraint of hereticks sectaries haereticall preachers and Schoolmasters as they deemed them and upon their prayer and importunity the Statutes of 5. R. 2 〈…〉 5. ●2 H. 4. c. 15. ● H. 5. c. 7. to which the Commons never consented were made and 〈◊〉 to that purpose as is evident by the very words of the Acts themselves Master Fox his Acts and Monuments vol. 1. Edi● 〈◊〉 p. 773. And it is as evident that the Popish Commons Petition was the cause of the Statute of 25 H. 8. c. 14. For the punishment of heresie and the Popish Clergyes importunity to King Henry the eight his motion to the Parliament the occasion of the bloudy Statue of 31 H. 8. c. 14. 34. H. c. 8. 1. as the words of the Acts and Master Fox demonstrate both King and Clergy Nobles and Commons even in these times of Popery deeming our parliaments the meetest Iudges and only lawgivers for ordering Church affaires and matters of Religion About the 37. yeare of King Henry the 〈◊〉 Roderick Morse once a Grey 〈◊〉 published a book in print 〈◊〉 A complaint to the Parliament house of England directed to the Parliament wherein he demonstrates many abuses and corruptions of the Church and Clergy of England in those dayes both in matter of Doctrine Worship Discipline manners which he earnestly presseth petitioneth the Parliament effectually to reforme by wholsome Lawes and Edicts as a thing most properly belonging to their place and Iurisdiction as the whole booke manifests which had been very absurd had the Parliament been no meer Iudge of Religion and Church affaires and no 〈◊〉 Reformers of these abuses by Lawes and punishments as some now repute them In King Edward the sixt Queene Maries and Queene Elizabeths severall Raignes the Clergie and 〈◊〉 made their Petitions and addresses to the Parliament for setling reforming establishing all matters of Religion Church-government and discipline as the forementioned Statutes with multitudes of Petitions and bookes printed and dedicated to the Parliaments in their severall Raigns demonstrate especially 1. and 2. Phili. and Mary c. 6. 8. 1 Eliz. c. 1. 2. 4. 8. Eliz. c. 1. Two admonitions to the Parliament Anno. 1572. Iohn Penry his supplication to the Parliament and others The Petitions to all the severall Parliaments in King Iames his Raigne and our present Soveraignes but more especially to this present Parliament from all sorts of people in every County of the Realme

out of which the Independent Brethren CONCEIVE AN IMPOSSIBILITY that a spirituall extraction should be made That a man may as well bring a cleane thing out of an uncleane in Iobs expression as make A SPIRITVALL EXTRACTION out of this SECVLAR ROOT who have NO Authority nor power from Christ to nominate or appoint who shall be the men that shall order the affaires of Christs Kingdom or institute the government of his Church That therefore there is AN IMPOSSIBILITY that a legitimate Ecclesiasticall power should according to the minde of Christ or any precept or prefident of Scripture be by them conferred VPON ANY MAN OR THAT THE PERSONS SO ELECTED SHOVLD HAVE A POWER by vertue of such nomination or election TO ENACT LAWES OR STATVTES IN MATTERS OF RELIGION and TO ORDER VNDER MVLCTS PAENATIES HOW MEN SHALL WORSHIP and SERVE GOD c. Are diametrally opposite to the ancient priviledges and undoubted Ecclesiagicall Authority of Parliaments which they pluck up by the very roots and altogether as bad as if not far worse than Bishop Laudes with whom he symbolizeth in this particular which I have elswhere answered fully resuted These Passages of his were first unseasonably vented by him in a Sermon in Colemanstreet 25 February 1643. to what other end unlesse to prepare his Auditors to slight or reject what ever forme of Church-government the Parliament should prescribe or settle I cannot discerne for which with other particulars being questioned before the Committee for plundered Ministers even pending the complaint there he presumed to justifie them againe very unseasonably in the Pulpit on a solemne Fast day and likewise in two printed Books to one wherof he prefixed his name in high affront of that Committee which suspended him and contempt of the Parliaments Authority not to be paralleld in any age by any person for ought I finde Which audaciousnesse of his who pretended so much respect and honour to the Parliament heretofore engaged me according to my Covenant and Protestation to give a publicke answer in print to these scandalous passages in vindication of the Parliaments indubitable Right and Priviledge to intermeddle in and make Lawes for all Church matters as I have manifested by a cloud of witnesses in all ages in the foregoing Section and so farre incensed the Committee against him that they sequestred him from his living in Colemanstreet for the very things I mentioned in my Full Reply c. and ordered the passages in his Sermon and Theomachia to be specially reported to the House with all expedition as an unsufferable affront and presumptnons under mining of their Priviledges which they could neither in honour nor justice connive at without exemplary punishment and censure And yet this Gentleman since this censure hath had the boldnesse in another Pamphlet of his to which hee hath prefixed his name Intituled INNOCENCIES TRIVMPH an unfitting Title for a sequestred Nocent to deny those very matters of fact which he voluntarily confessed in my hearing before the Committee for which he was sequestred and to justifie his forementioned scandalous passages in such a daring way as cannot bee paralleld For first he professeth p. 2. That he hath not denyed the least dram or scruple of that power belike he hath weighed it exactly in the scales which is truly Parliamentary and consistent with the Word of the great and glorious God of which misdemeanour he is not in the least measure conscious to himselfe as yet This manifestes him incorrigible impenitent after censure proclaims him that which this whole Pamphlet vainly endeavours to acquit him from One who hath presumptuously undermined the undoubted Priviledges of Parliaments and here trebles in his former offences Secondly he averreth that what he formerly preached and writ was out of a loving tender affectionate jealousie over the Parliament lest possibly they might dash their foot against that stone by which all Rule all Authority and power will one day be broken in pieces So that if his tongue or pen have in the least miscarried in this point it was Error Amoris not Amor erroris he being extreamly jealous over the Parliament lest they should touch with any Title or claime the most sacred and incommunicable Royalties and privilledges of Heaven and so count it no robbery to make themselves equall to God knowing most assuredly that this is a most high provocation to the eyes of the most High and IF CONTINUED IN will kindle a fire in the breast of him whose name is Iehovah which will consume and devoure c. But good Sir first can any rationall man thinke though you should protest it ten thousand times over that such Anti-Parliamentary passages as yours are should proceed from your love to Parliaments The blindest charity I feare will hardly credit it that a friend to Parliaments should thus successively Preach and Print against their jurisdiction more desperatly than the worst Malignant Royalist Cavalier or the Arch-Prelate himselfe as you have apparently done Secondly If this proceeded from such affectionate jealousie over the Parliament I pray what made you so strangely if not ma●gnantly jealous over them as to feare and presume they might dash their feet against that stone by which all power shall bee broken in peeces claime the most sacred and incommunicable priviledges and royalties of Heaven to themselves and count it no robbery to make themselves equall with God Did the Parliament ever give you the least colour or occasion of any such uncharitable unchristian that I say not detestable jealousie could you have harder or more jealous thoughts than these of the very Pope or Turke himselfe or of that great Antichrist who exalts himselfe above all that is called God Can such jealousies as these issued from any but a rancorous or disaffected heart against Parliaments or did ever such execrable jealousies as these proceed from the heart tongue much lesse the pen of any Oxford Aulicus or most venemous Malignant to our Parliament Doe their calling of an Assembly of most pious and conscientious Divines of all sorts to reforme our Church and conforme its Government Discipline in all things as neere as possible to the Word of God with all their religious proceedings in this kinde infuse any such jealousie into you If not then for shame retract these your groundlesse fanaticke jealousies of and uncharitable hard thoughts against the Parliament else the world will censure you an Arch-Malignant and the greatest Enemie to our Parliament that ever yet appeared openly in Presse or Pulpit within the lines of Communication if not without them to Thirdly had you had any just cause of such a jealousie yet it had bin your duty to have privately informed your friends in Parliament with it in a brotherly Christian way but to publish these your brain-sick jealousies and suspitions of them behind their backs in open Pulpit and then to the whole world in print of purpose to make your Auditors Readers jealous of

them as men who invaded the very incommunicable royalties and priviledges of heaven and counted it no robbery to make themselves equall to God or to defame or draw an odium or contempt upon them and prepare the people before hand to oppose or reject whatsoever Church-Government they shall establish contrary to your Independent way for there can be no other reall end of these your Anti-parliamentary Sermons writings is such a transcendent crime and high affront against the Parliament as you are never able to expiate and is so farre from extenuating that it aggravates your former offences beyond expression Fourthly Your last clause And if continued c. intimates and speakes ●ound without any straining that the Parliament for the present are guilty of dashing their foote against Christ the Rocke of claiming the most sacred and incommunicable royalties and priviledges of heaven and making themselves equall to God And that if they persevere in the course they have begun in reforming our Church and setting up a Church Government according to the Word different from your new way it is such an high provocation against the most high as will kindle a fire in the brest of him whose name is Jehovah which will consume and devoure c. Could all the Malignant and Prelaticall party in England lay a greater wickeder or more unjust scandall in our Parliament then this or more defame them then by such a false report enough to fire the whole Kingdome against them as well as Gods wrath Certainly Master Goodwin I must tell you freely without malice or uncharitablenes and I beseech you pardon my zeale in this particular that your Iealousie and pen in this was set on fire of hell rather then heaven when you printed this passage and what ever censure you deserve I feare your Book demerits the fire to purge out this drosse yea all the late teares of Repentance you may shed will not be sufficient to quench those unhappy flames of contention your late Sermons and Pamphlets have kindled in our Church and State to omit your former Socinian Errors Thirdly Hee professeth that in case he hath said or written any thing detractory to the undoubted priviledges of Parliament yet my Inditement against him that he did it PRESVMTVOVSLY is such a charge which men whose ungrounded zeale hath not eaten out the heart of their Charity cannot lightly but recharge with unreasonablenesse and utter unlikely-hood Sir I dare affirme upon good grounds that you did this presumptuously as I charge it Grammarians Lawyers and Divines informs us that the Word Presumptuous comes from the verbe Praesumo which signifies to forestall to conceive before hand to usurpe or take that upon him which belongs not to him to doe a thing before a man bee lawfully called to it which belongs not properly to him or to doe a thing boldly confidently or rashly without good grounds or against Authority or Lawes or upon hopes of impunity He that doth ought in any of these sences may properly be said to do it PRESUMPTUOUSLY and that in Scripture phrase as well as in common parlance To apply this to your crime First you preached and printed these passages of purpose to forestall the Parliaments and Assemblies pious resolutions to settle one uniforme Church-Government and suppresse all private Coventicles of Sectaries or Anabaptists contrary to it 2. To establish support that Independent way which you had before hand without any lawful warrant conceived ere the Parliament had made choyce of or setled any Church-Government for you as the whole Tenor of your Bookes and Sermons evidence Thirdly It was no lesse then high presumption in you being a meere Divine and a man altogether ignorant of or unskilfull in the ancient Rights and Priviledges of our Parliament as your writings demonstrate and your selfe intimate p. 5. to undertake to determine and judge of them so peremptorily and in such manner as you have done When as if you had known any thing concerning the Rights of Parliaments you might have learned this among other things That Divines are no competent Iudges of Parliaments Priviledges That the Priviledges Rights and customes of our Parliaments are only to be judged and determined by the Parliament it selfe not in or by any other inferior Court much lesse in a Pulpit That the power and jurisdiction of the Parliament for making of Lawes is so transcendent and absolute as it cannot bee confined to causes or persons within any bounds and that the state and defence of the Church of England is the very first matter and care of the Parliament of England as all the premised Presidents manifest and Sir Edward Cooke with others might have informed you And for a man to undertake to judge of that which is above his power is expresly defined to bee presumption by Richardus de Media villa in 3. Sententiar Distinct 26. and other Schoolemen on that place and by Summa Angelica Tit. Praesumptus Fourthly You had no lawfull calling nor warrant from Gods Word or our Lawes to handle the Iurisdictions and rights of Parliament in your pulpit nor yet to dispute them in your writings in such a daring manner by way of opposition or to encourage people to disobedience to its Ecclesiasticall Lawes and descitions Therefore in this you were presumptuous by the Scriptures owne definition 2 Pet. 2. 10. Fourthly after you were questioned before a Committee of Parliament for these very passages in your first Sermon as exceeding scandalous Derogatory to the Members and priviledges of Parliament yet you in a daring manner whiles you were under examination audaciously preached over the same againe in substance in your Pulpit on a solemne Fast day and published them with additions in no lesse then two printed Bookes Yea since your very censure by the Committee for them you have in a higher straine then ever gone on to justifie them in print once more in your Innocencies Triumph like an incorrigible delinquent wherein you slander the Parliament more then before and shew your selfe a man dispising Government at least any Church-Government the Parliament shall establish not suitable to your fancy selfe-willed and even speaking evill of Dignities in your forementioned clauses others Therefore in this regard you are superlatively presumptuous by St. Peters resolution Yea most men whose ungrounded zeale to your new way hath not eaten out his braines and reason too must readily acknowledge it notwithstanding your two reasons to the contrary To wit First your former uninterrupted zeale to this Parliament and its cause you meane perchance before you were an Independent and since whiles you thought it would embrace your new way which doth but aggravate your subsequent opposition in presse and Pulpit against its undoubted jurisdiction Secondly The grounds and reasons you have given of your opinion which I shall examine in due place as if men might not do presumptuously against the lawfull power of Parliaments and

civill Magistrates as you have plentifully done even with some colour of reason as well as insanire cum ratione which is all I shall answer to your reasons Fourthly Hee writes Let Master Prynne Or any other evict mee of any wilfull or unwilfull violation of the priviledges of Parliament and I shall bee as willing as willingnesse it selfe can make me to further such a conviction and no man shall be more ready then I to crave their pardon or undergoe their Justice nay I shall repent my selfe and abhor my errour in dust and ashes Certainely this your promised late Repentance which is yet contingent and improbable after so many publike offronts and oppositions against the power and proceedings of Parliament will bee a very poore recompence and satisfaction for all your former misdemeanors and scandalls to the Parliament yet late repentance being better then none at all I shall now challenge you to make good this your promise since your owne Conscience and judgment cannot but informe you I have written enough in the former Sections to evict and convince you and all the world besides that you have not only violated but denyed oppugned those priviledges of Parliament in Ecclesiasticall affaires which our owne Parliaments in all ages and Parliamentary Assemblies in all other Kingdomes have unquestionably exercised enjoyed without any such publique opposition as you have made against them And if you now make not good your promise few or none will ever credit you hereafter 5ly For the Authors you cite to justifie yourselfe they are miserably wrested and mistaken for the most part The first you quote is Master Edwards who maintaines point blancke against you throughout his Treatise a Legislative and coerceive power in Parliaments and civil Majestrates even in Church-affaires and matters of Religion in the very pages you quote and else where Therefore you palpably abuse the Author and Reader in quoting him to the contrary who is so point-blancke against you For the passage you quote out of his Page 256. The Parliament interposeth no Authority to determine what government shall be whence you inferre p. 7. Therefore his opinion appeares to be either that the Parliament hath No authority or at least intends not to make use of it in determining a government It was written only with reference to that present time the Parliament having at that time when he writ during the Assemblies debate and consultation interposed no Authority to determine what government shall be yet before that it had declared the old prelaticall Lordly government to be abolished and called an Assembly to advise with about a New But to inferre from thence as you doe Therefore his opinion is either that the Parliament hath no Authority or at least intends not to make use of it in determining a Government Is an inference quite contrary to the next ensuing words and pages to the whole scope of the Authors Booke Humbly submitted to the Honourable houses of Parliament contrary to his expresse words p. 138. 281. to all his reasons against Toleration of your Way and to the Parliaments intent in calling the Assembly to assist them in determining and setling a Church-government agreable to Gods word Be ashamed therefore of this grosse perversion of your first Authors passages diametrally contrary to this meaning Your Passages out of Master Hayward Bishop Iewell Master Fox Mr. Calvin Iacobus Acontius Junius Peter Martyr and Gulielmus Appolonius make nothing at all against the Legislative Authority of Parliaments in matters of Religion and Church government and have no a●●inity with your Passages words most of them Bishop Iewel especially as I have already proved vindicating propugning the very ecclesiastical power of Parliaments which you oppugne Indeed some of their words seeme to diminish the Coercive power of Majestrat●s enforcing of mens consciences in matters of Religion which I shal answer in due place and manifest how you abuse the Authors herein as well as Mr. Edwards not hitherto answered by any of your party but how they militat against the jurisdiction of Parliaments in making Lawes touching Religion discipline and Church-government I am yet to seeke For the Passages he aleageth out of the Divines of Scotland That the Prince or Majestrate may not make or publish any Ecclesiasticall Law without the free assent of the Clergy c. That he may not by HIMSELFE define or direct such matters nor make any Lawes therein That the King hath not a Nomotheticke Legislative Power in matters ecclesiasticall in a constitute Church That the ordinary power of the King is not to make Ecclesiasticall Lawes c. I Answer 1. That their only meaning if I mistake not in these passages is that the Prince or chiefe civill Majestrate of HIMSELFE without a Parliament or without the assistance and consent of his Nobles Commons Clergy cannot legally make any ecclesiasticall Lawes to obliege his people upon which reason our Brethren of Scotl. rejected the late New service booke and Canons and our selves the late Canons c Oath which Canterbury wold have obtruded on us because they were made and prescribed only by the Kings Authority and the Prelates or Convocations not the Parliaments upon which very reason the Parliaments of both Kingdomes have respectively adjudged both one and other illegall But that the King or supreame temporall Majestrates assisted by a Parliament and Orthdox Divines may not make binding ecclesiasticall Lawes or that their or our Parliaments have not a reall Legislative power in any matters ecclesiastike the only point controversed is directly contrary both to the constant Doctrine and Practise of our Brethren and their Church used ever since the Reformation to the proceedings of their last Parliaments and generall Assemblies as I have formerly manifested You may therefore blush at this your perverting of their meaning as if they held that the Parliaments of England or Scotland had no power to make Ecclesiasticall Lawes for Religion or Church gouernment when as their Bookes Actions addresses to our present Parliament their presence assistance in our Assembly proclaimes the contrary And the very publique Confession of faith professed and subscribed in their Church Anno 1560 Chap. 14 since confirmed by severall Acts of Parliament doth the like But admit all those Authors really as not one of them is in verity opposite to the Ecclesiasticall Jurisdiction and Legislative power of Parliaments yet the unanimous practise and resolution of all Christian Realmes Synods Parliaments in all ages contrary to their private novell opinions is sufficient infinitly to overbalance them in the Judgements of all prudent men And thus much for Mr. Goodwins Innocencies tryumph as to the present point I shall next apply my selfe to Answer such Objections as my deare Brother Master Henry Burton hath lately made against the premises in his Vindication to my 12. Queeres touching Church-Government my Independency examined His first and principall Objection is this

GHOST and Vs to lay upon you no other burthen then these necessary things Now Brother we challenge you to shew us ANY PARLIAMENT COVNCELL SYNOD EVER SINCE THE APOSTLES that could or can say thus It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and Vs to determine controversies of Religion to make and impose Lawes to bind all men c. Shew this to us at this time and we will obey But if you cannot AS YOV NEVER CAN never let any man presse upon us that Scripture that Synod WHICH HATH NO PARALELL in the whole world and so is NO PRESIDENT PATTERNE FOR ANY COVNCELL SYNOD PARLIAMENT Thus my Brother Burton concludes hence with abundance of confidence But sweet Brother let not him who putteth on his harnesse boast as he that puts it off receive your Answer first and then be as vainly confident as you will 〈◊〉 your obtuse Argument afterwards which I shall thus retort upon you First I suppose you will grant That the Apostles Preached as well a writ and determined by an infallible spirit and by the Holy Ghosts Divine inspiration when as neither your self nor any other Independent nor Presbiterial● Minister can infallibly thus Preach write or determine at this day Ergo Brother by your Argument neither you nor any other Minister must henceforth Preach unto nor determine any Controversies of Religion or Church-government at this day being not guided by any infallible Spirit and because you may possibly erre and cannot say as the Apostles did it seemes good to the Holy Ghost and to us and then Brother of what value are all your Sermons Books and confident asseverations of the Divinity of your Independent way your Disciples and congregation may make wast paper of them instead of reading them as the Oracles of God a some ignorants perchance esteem them 2. Christ and his Apostle when they ordained Elders and laid their hands upon them did usually give them the holy Ghost and gift of tongues who fel upon the parties ordained and those to whom they Preached and to those whom they Baptized as the marginall texts assure us which no Ministers nor Elders can do now Ergo no Ministers may or can now ordain any Ministers by imposition of hands nor baptize any children or men nor preach the Gospel to any because they cannot give them the gifts of Tongues nor cause the Holy Ghost to fall upon them as Christ and the Apostles did 3. Moses gave no civill nor judiciall Laws to the Israelites under the Law but such as he received immediately from God by an infallible Spirit Ergo Kings and Parliaments at this day can make no civill temporall Lawes to governe their people by because they receive them not immediately from God by an infallible spirit 4. Christ sent none to Preach the Gospel or administer the Sacraments but such whom himself immediatly called ordained furnished miraculously with gifts of tongues and with the Holy Ghost A priviledge peculier to the Apostles and some few others in their daies not communicable to any ordinary Ministers and made Elders and Bishops by the Holy Ghost Ergo No Ministers but such who are thus immediately enabled endued and ordained by the Holy Ghost may or ought to preach the Gospel And then where are all your Independent Ministers and Lay-preachers I hope Brother by this time you most renounce your Argument as absurd or else your Preaching Church Ministery at least your writings will be little valued which now you see are not infallible 2. A possibility of erring or some actuall errours in Councells Synods Parliaments are no good grounds of rejecting all their determinations Lawes Edicts but only such as are apparently erronious and repugnant to the Scripture Such indeed you may disobey but to all others you must submit even in point of conscience as I have formerly proved If you deny this then marke the consequence of your deniall Ministers may and sometimes actually doe erre both in their preaching and writing and I doubt Brother it is or may be your own case Ergo people must neither obey nor believe any thing they preach or write but contemne all Parliaments Princes Magistrates Elders Parents Masters Tutors of all sorts may and oft-times actually doe swerve from truth and Iustice in some of their Lawes Orders Precepts commands and Iudgements Ergo their subjects wives children husbands schollars pupills must receive no Lawes Orders Commands or instructions from them nor yet obey them in any thing which they shall prescribe Brother you may as rationally argue in many things we offend all Ergo we must not endeavour to doe any thing that is good Or conclude in many things and in making Lawes we erre all Therefore we must obey no humane Ecclesiasticall or civill Laws in which we can discern no apparent error Brother will you drink no wine at all as the Apostle gives Timothy advise to do because some have dranke poyson in it and you perchance may doe so to Or shall none adventure to marry a good wife or husband because so many have met with bad Answer me these questions and then you need no other answer to what you object but your own reply to them 3. Admit Synods Councells Parliaments have sometimes erred out of humane frailty yet this is a most certaine truth that they are not so apt or prone to erre having more helpes meanes assistances to keep them from erring when they are met together in the Name and feare of God as private men or Conventi●les of persons lesse learned lesse experienced they being more able to discover and bolt out truthes by debate then they This is the ground why Solomon concludes That two are better then on● that in the multitude of Councellors there is safety why the greatest points of Religion and State have in all ages been debated resolved not in Conclaves Conventicles Chambers Closets but in generall or nationall Councell● Assemblies Parliaments as the most effectuall meanes to discover suppresse errours heresies and resolve doubts for which we have an unanswerable pregnant president in the Old Testament 2 Chron. 30. 1. to the end where King Hezechiah with all the Princes and Congregation of Israel and Iudah assembled in full Parliament at Ierusalem upon solemn debate resolved AND ESTABLISHED A DECREE to keep the Passeover in the second moneth because they could not keepe it in the first the Priests and people being not sufficiently sanctified And another in the New in the Chapter objected Acts 15. where the Apostles themselves assemble a full Synod to debate and resolve the great contr●versie raised in the Church concerning the necessity of Circumcision This then being an indubitable Verity it is most certaine that Parliaments Generall or Nationall Synods and Councells are the fittest of all others to make Lawes and Canons for all civill and Ecclesiasticall matters in State or Church because they are least subject to errour And therefore there is great