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A87881 The observator observed, or, Animadversions upon observations on the history of King Charles wherein that history is vindicated, partly illustrated, and severall other things tending to the rectification of some publique mistakes, are inserted : to which is added, at the latter end, the observators rejoinder. L'Estrange, Hamon, 1605-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing L1188A; ESTC R179464 41,478 51

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calling of it in Page 114. Fol. 129. The Divinity of the Lords day being new Divinity at Court Observator And so it was by its favour in the Countrey too not known in England till the year 1595. So new it is that it cannot prescribe to 60 years for if it could we should have found some mention of it in our Articles or Our Book of Homilies in which we find nothing at all touching the keeping of that day Answer By this and some other passages in the Observator we may suspect the man to be Petrifi'd there 's an hard word as hard as a stone and very conversant with Peter Hielen a Dr. of Cosmography a work very proper for him for none fitter to describe the world then he who all his life hath loved the world none like him but of that Dr. more anon Next to the Observator if that Dr. and he be two First he saith that the Divinity of the Lords day was not known in England till the year 1595. If so I demand of the Observator what did Archbishop Whitgift mean in his defence of the Answer to the Admonition p. 553. where speaking in the present tense he saith the Sabbath is superstitiously used by some did he mean the Jewish Sabbath that cannot be for he subjoynes so is the Church the Creed the Lords Prayer importing it to be a lawful thing abused by superstitious people and soon after he speaks of a Sabbath then commanded by the 4th Precept which could not be the Jewish and if not that must of necessity be the Lords day Now this Archbishop published his Defence Anno. 1574. Next for the book of Homiles surely he spake much without book for certainly there was not any thing more especially taught in those Homiles then the divinity of the Lords day they saying God in that Precept speaking of the fourth commandeth the observation of the Sabbath which is our Sunday What can positively be rendred clearer Here 's the Sabbath interpreted by the Lords day and that commandeth to be observed in the 4th Precept by God himself So that by the Observators leave the Divinity of the Lords day may be found in our book of Homilies Page 115. Fol. Ibid. Which seemed the greater prodigy that men who so eagerly cryed up their own Order and Revenues for Divine should so much deny the Lords day from being such when they had no other Existence then in Relation to this Observator Here 's a Prodigy indeed and a Paradox too that neither the Order nor Revenues of the Evangelical Priesthood have any existence but in Relation to the Divinity of the Lords day If our Author be not out in this I am much mistaken Answer Where hath this Observator been brought up that this Tenet of mine of mine said I yea of all learned men should be so wondred at to be called a Prodigy Good Reader when thou seest him next tell him from me there is scarce a man of note who treateth of the fourth Commandment that owneth not this Prodigious opinion I shall content my self with only one at present but one who I hope will be instar omnium with the Observator as being free from Puritanism The learned Bishop of Winchester who expounding the fourth Commandment saith first because men should not be left at liberty when to perform Religious duties God hath appointed a Day whereon to do them and that more solemnly in a publique meeting or assembly this Day he calleth the Lords Day Secondly Now whereas the solemn duties of this Day cannot be performed in a publique manner without a Place set a part and Persons enabled to perform such sacred actions Therefore both Places Persons sanctify'd to those purposes Maintenance also for those Persons are included in this Precept so here are both the sacred Orders and Revenues constituted in relation to the Lords Day and the duties thereof and emergent both from the fourth Commandment and so I hope the Prodigy is at an end Page 116. Fol. Ibid. But of this elsewhere Observator And indeed of this there hath enough been said elsewhere to satisfie all learned and ingenuous men both in the meaning of the law and in point of practice Answer Never any thing more truly spoken And all I shall superadde is this that whereas I said But of this elsewhere my meaning was that of the Doctrine of the Sabbath or Divinity of the Lords day I had treated elsewhere in a book extant of that Argument Anno. 1640. never as yet answered by any To that Treatise I refer all men who shall desire my Judgment in that Subject Only from thence I shall having so fit an opportunity be bold to re-mind Doctor Heilen of an od mistake to say no worse committed by him in vindication whereof he never attempted any thing as yet The mistake this The main question concerning that Day was and I am sorry to find it is whither or not it be of Divine institution That Doctor with his leaders and followers said nay and because it would signifie the same thing should it be evinced to be Apostolical the man sweats toyles and somewhat worse to evade it For Part 2. c. 6. S. 7. of his History of the Sabbath he citeth out of Pareus his Com. in Gen. 2. treating of the change of the Sabbath into the Lords Day these words Quomodo autem facta sit haec mutatio in sacris literis non apparet And to make it apparent he was industrious in it because Quomodo alone he thought non vult fac would not do the deed without his Paraphrase he descants on it thus How that is by what Authority this change was made appeareth not in sacred Scripture whereas in very truth Pareus his word in two several Editions one 4o the other folio is Quando not Quomodo for the Authority he in that very place ascribes it Apostolicae Ecclesiae to the Apostolique Church and in Comment upon 1 Cor. 16. v. 2. and upon the Revelation fixeth it positively upon Apostolical Authority Now what it is for a Doctor of Divinity for so great a champion of Antiquity against Novelty not in an idle circumstance but in the grand concernment of a controversie to forge and falsifye a Record so boldly I dare not say so impudently I submit to the judgment of all the world This I write partly to provoke an answer from that Doctor and partly to vindicate him from the groundlesse supposition which renders him the Author of these Observations who as he hath professedly disavowed it so is it scarce credible that he of all men durst be so bold with me as this Observator is knowing how readily I might have returned Quis tulerit Gracchos Page 117. Fol. Ibid. And was after stiled Duke of York Observator Our Author here accomodates his stile to the present times when the weekly Pamphlets gave the Prince no other Title then the Titulary Duke of York It is true
statute was made in the first year of Edward the second But whereas our Author tells us that the persons mention'd in that statute were not required to be made Knights as was vulgarly supposed but ad arma gerenda to bear armes and thereupon tells us a story of a Sword and Surcoate I shall rather believe the plain words of the Statute then his interpretation Answer I find by Sr. Edward Coke Inst. part second that by the Common-Law all persons who hold a Knights Fee which was of uncertain value sometimes 15 sometimes 20 sometimes as in this present case 40 l. per annum might be compell'd to be made Knights That the Kings of England had this power before the Stat. 1. Ed. 2. it is evident by Matthew Paris pag. 897. who relateth that H. 3. came into the Exchequer there fined all the Sheriffs of England five markes a man for not distraining Quemlibet habentem c. Every one having ●5 pounds per annum to be made Knights as he commanded by his writs directed to those Sheriffs And the like precept was sent out by Edward 1. as is to be seen by Matthew Westminster Flor. Hist. p. 223. As to my story of the Belt and Surcoate the Author thereof an eminent Antiquary being long since dead and not in being to make his defence I shall offer something out of my reading tending that way in confirmation of that note First for the time that it was regularly to be at the Coronation is inferrible from the instrucions sent down this year with the Kings Commission whereby Al such Baronets as were not Knights at his Coronation and all Knights who have received that honour since that time are declared liable to make fine As for the Belt and Surcoate Matthew Westminster tells us K. Ed. 1. sent forth a Proclamation that all such persons Qui haberent unde militarent adessent apud Westmonaster c. Who had possessions valued at a Knights fee should appear at Westminster c. What to do he tells you presently admissuri singuli ornatum militatem ex regia garderoba to receive military accoutrements out of the Kings Wardrobe But I said these men summon'd were not to be made Knights as was vulgarly supposed which words having reference to the present case are no other in substance then what Sr. Edward Coke said before me who in the place fore-recited speaks clearly thus Now tempora mutantur the times are changed and many a yeoman purchaseth lands in Knights service and yet non debet ought not for want of Gentry to be a Knight and a little after the fine to the Mark which is chiefly aimed at Page 103. Fol. 124. For many had no fancy to the work meerly because he was the promoter of it Observator It was plainly contrary his case in promoting it being one great reason why so many had a fancy to it most of the Clergy contributing largely unto it the like did most of the Nobility and Gentry Answer The Observator saith most of the Clergy and most of the Nobility and Gentry contributed largely to the repairing of St. Pauls Many and most may sure be consistent there may be many opposite to the major vote Page 106. Fol. 126. But the entertainment most of all August and Royal was that of the Earl of Newcastle at Welbech which was estimated to cost the Earl not lesse then 6000 l. Observator I have shewed our Author some mistakes in his Temporalities and now I shall shew him one or two in his localities besides his misplacing of the battail of Tissique spoken of before The entertainment so much talked of which cost the Earl 6000 l. was not made 1633. in the time of the King's going into Scotland but July the last in the next year nor was it made at Welbech but at Belsover Castle The like mistake in matter of locality occureth Fol. 129. c. Answer The Observator here mentioneth a battail of Tissique spoken of before but where I know not only conjecture that he had a good will to take me to taske for misplacing a battail I suppose at Rostoch but upon better consideration he found the errour was his own not mine and therefore cut out the leaf containing the 101 102 pages wherein his mistake lay leaving that Paragraph tyed head and heeles together Now I come to my two errours in Locality The first is my misplacing of the Earl of Newcastles entertainment of the King Which he will have at Belsover Castle in Darby-shire not at Welbech and not 1633. but the next year after and why so because that was the entertainment which cost the Earl 6000 l. I answer mentioning the entertainment given the King by the Earl I delivered these particulars First that it was in his progresse into Scotland Secondly that it was the most August of all Thirdly that it was at Welbech Lastly that it was estimated not positively that it did so to cost the Earl 6000 l. The three first are granted for truth by the very Observator himself and for the last as I said barely it was so estimated so I must tell him it was so estimated to my self at York at that very time of the Kings Progresse and a full year before the next entertainment was given or perhaps thought of The next mistake in Locality is Fol. 129. where I relate that both their Majesties with their train of Court-Grandees and Gentlemen Revellers were solemnly invited to a most sumptuous banquet at Guild-Hall Whereas the entertainment which at that time the City gave the King was at Alderman Freman's house Herein I confesse my errour Parce precor falso Page 110. Fol. 127. A very Learned man he was his Erudition of the old stamp stifly disciplin'd in the doctrine of St. Augustine which they who understand it not call Calvinisme Observator Whereas Our Author makes the Doctrine of St. Augustine and Calvinisme to be all One I think he is very much out in that St. Augustine was a great maintainer of Episcopacy which the Calvinians have rejected c. Answer Good Reader judge thou if I make the Doctrine of St. Augustine and Calvinisme to be in all concernments all one in opposition to the Massilian and Arminian Tenets they are I both said then and dare say again the very same or very neer In some other points know I do they differ The Observator instanceth in that of Episcopacy how true that I determine not but in that of the Sabath or Lords day which is the next thing offers it self to our consideration sure I am they do Page 112. Fol. 128. This Declaration then caused so many impetuous clamours against it as it was soon call'd in Observator In this I am sure our Author is extremely Out that Book being never call'd in though the execution was soon descontinued Answer Out I may be but sure not extremely out the discontinuance of the Execution of it being a tacite suppressing and