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A85534 The vindication of the vicar of Istleworth, in the county of Middlesex. From a scandalous pamphlet, contayning one and twenty articles; invented by some, closely; subscribed unto but by six, publiquely; presented but by one, openly; and now vented in print surreptitiously (in the name of the whole parish) by a no-body. Whereunto are likewise added certaine notorious impieties and misdeameanours of Gilbert Barrell attorney, the promoter: which shall be fairely and fully proved, upon just occasion. / By William Grant vicar of Istelworth aforesaid. Grant, William, d. 1678. 1641 (1641) Wing G1525; Thomason E170_12; ESTC R9385 11,855 21

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scandalized or offended at the sight of them in Churches But that I should absolutely affirme the lawfulnesse of them in respect of others or ever spake unto him for to set up the picture of a Saint in the chancell I utterly deny and abhorr it 3 That I doe carry to Church with mee a Testament full of pictures I confesse it but it was such a one as was printed in Scotland and I have carried it but sometimes neither only when I have not been to preach my selfe and that never for the pictures sake but only in regard of the book of Common-Prayer which is in it having it in no book else beside this promoter himselfe having long before my time witnesse the whole parish most commonly and frequently brought the very same kind of book along with him to the same Church Article 10. 10 That hee hath affirmed that hee had rather heare an organ ten to one in the Church than singing of Psalmes which scoffingly hee calls Hopkins his Jiggs and commanded the Clarke not to read them in the Church so that the unlearned could not sing and further threatned to present the Church-Warden if hee would not present one who on Sunday read the Psalme to one that stood neere him Answer That I might also say in occasionall discourse at the time and place aforesaid for all 's but table-talke with one whose braine runnes upon wheels and at that time ran upon nothing more than such like discourses some Priest or Jesuite having been the last company hee was in whom hee is well known to have much and often converse with I say that I might have also at the same time and place seemed to approve of for my own particular the use of Organs in the Church and to disapprove some particular expressions in Master Hopkins the grosse mistakes that often slipt from an old dotard in his reading them to the congregation and the unbeseeming noyse that was made in the Church when they were read by severall men in severall corners I doe not deny But that I had rather heare an Organ tenne to one than singing of Psalmes that I should call them Hopkins his Jiggs command the clarke not to read them that the unlearned might not sing and threaten to present the Church-Warden if hee would not present one that read them I also utterly deny and abhorre it Article 11. 11 That hee useth very unbecomming speeches in his Sermons as speaking of some popish tenents he said marry as good luck is wee have the Scripture against them and at another time of the divells tentations marry as good luck was God was stronger than the divell Answer All the unbecomming speeches I have used in my Sermons so mouthed out against in the pamphlet are only one phrase twice used the phrase of good luck is which if I have though never as is alleadged for my president and example I find it as often used in holy writ Good luck have thou with thine honour sayes the Psalmist And againe It fortuned writes St. John that there was a wedding in Cana of Galile and Iesus was at it and if Mr. Pamphleter be such a master of speech as hee pretends to he should do well to translate the Bible anew that his eares may not be any more offended with the unbecomming expressions of the old Translators of it Article 12. 12 That hee calleth the booke of Martyrs a booke of lyes Answer That I am not of such a judgement neither ever was Article 13. 13 That he said that all good fellowship was laid aside in the parish but hee will bring it in againe and maintaine it and would have wine and tobacco for all that would come to his Vicaridge house on Sundayes after Prayers and he doth make it good harbouring there at such times the deboist sort tippling Answer That I ever said such words I utterly deny and defie it Indeed when I tooke possession of the Church those gentlemen of the parish who came along with mee in seeming curtesie to it came also after along with me into the Vicaridge house and among other words as I well remember I told them if they would be pleased to refresh themselves in it I should take it kindly and it may be I might use the phrase that a glasse of wine or a pipe of tobacco should be for them that pleased But why this speech of mine that was spoken to those gentlemen meerly in curtesie upon my first acquaintance with them and out of an honest desire to hold and maintain brotherly love and mutuall charity amongst my neighbours should be so traduced as that I desired to make the same a tippling-house for the deboist sort let the reader judge or how I could possibly bee so well versed in the parish where I had never in all my life time been before or had ever so much as heard of the place till it was voyd as to say all good fellowship was laid aside in it I doe not desire to bee mine own judge in it 2 That I should make it good as they say by harbouring there at such times the deboist sort tippling it must needs be a secret aspersion upon their betters who have been there with mee at such times in a civill way and cast a most foule and unrequitable imputation upon my selfe who was never yet found guilty in that kind but doe challenge all the world to produce and make good the least debauchednesse or tippling that was in it since I came into the Place Article 14. That he hath said that the sabbath-Sabbath-day is no more than another day and that christmas-Christmas-day is an higher day than the sabbath-Sabbath-day and that it is a greater day than all the Sabbaths in the yeare and he also maintaines the book of Sports Answer That which I said was at Sir Iohn Offlyes table at dinner in Christmas week last past The occasion was upon the great commendation that one William Smith a Baker gave of the Sermon that had bin preached in my Church on Christmas-day whereupon for my owne part I professed much dislike of it for that he said plainly in it that it was superstition to observe that day and so in processe of words further added that it was as great and as high a day as the Sabbath-day in respect of its meaning and signification and my reason was That the Sabbath-day was first instituted in memory of the Creation but Christmas-day in memory of our Redemption Article 15. 15 That he will not suffer any to pray for the sick in the Pulpit but useth the Prayer appointed for visiting the sick Answer That I have used the Prayer appointed for visiting the sick and also wished my Curate to do the like I do not deny but that I should ever forbid or not suffer the praying for them in the Pulpit it is a most notorious untruth having often as is well known not onely suffered it but also practised it my selfe Article 16. 16 That
or eight weeks after that promise and execration Answer All this I utterly deny and call God to record upon my soule that hee may as well say that I denied the Trinity or that I blasphemed the Holy Ghost and should account it one of the greatest afflictions that ever befell mee should it have been said by any but him who is a man so generally known what hee is But as for him hee openly professed before Sir Edward Spencer and many more upon occasion that hee was almost drunk at the same time and so indeed I know not what dreames he might have afterwards for it is an execration that I have heard himselfe often using Article 3. 3 That Mr. Grant patteth holinesse in places and therefore threatned to present the said Mr. Barrell being Church-Warden for comming once within the raile about the Communion Table for to receive the money which was collected at the Sacrament and to put it into the poores box according to the Rubrick saying none must come there but the Priest for that it was holy ground Answer That the said Mr. Barrell being Church-Warden not comming himselfe to the Communion not having been so much as once a Communicant with us for this twelve-moneth together came running into the Church at the end of it and most uncivilly snatcht away all the money that was given to the poore as I was in telling it upon the Communion Table and said that hee would dispose of it himselfe alone and that I should not know so much as what there was whereupon I said that I would present him for that his rude and uncivill action and intrusion it having been alwayes the custome of my predecessors in the place having told the money to dispose some part of it to such poore people as hee knew to be necessitous and to give the rest to the Church-Wardens to bee disposed of as occasion served But that I should say that it was holy ground and none should come there but the Priest is meerely an addition of his owne brain to aggravate the Article and is as false as God is true Article 4. That the said Mr. Grant boweth to the Table when he goeth to it to say his second Service and at all other times as often as he goeth by it and also when the word Jesus is named though his face be towards the West when his Curate names that word yet hee then turnes to the Table or to the East and boweth himselfe Answer 1 That there be many of the parish sitting at the seats about the Communion Table and some of them at my comming in rising up or moving themselves in their respects unto mee happily I may have bowed or bended towards them as in civility I could doe no lesse but to the Table I never did 2 That for my reading of the second Service at the Communion Table I never did it but only on communion dayes which wee are enjoyned by the Rubrick established by Act of Parliament 3 That it was no innovation of mine but was used to bee read there before ever I came into the parish 4 That this Mr Barrell that now accuseth mee for reading of it there was the sole occasion that ever it was read there complayning unto Doctor Duck of him who was then Curate as a Puritan and non-conformist for not reading of it there Whereupon whether by injunction or no I know not it was read there 5 That when the word Iesus is named I doe bow my selfe it is freely confessed as it is alleadged and so doth the promoter too not only at the word Iesus but also of the Father too or of the holy Ghost which I doe not But that though my face be towards the west I should immediately upon it turne it towards the East let any man but the promoter say it and I will acknowledge what I never was guilty of Article 5. That being desired by the Church-Wardens to forbeare reading the second Service at the Communion Table hee answered hee would not doe it to please the Puritans and that hee dares not doe otherwise For if it should be tould the Archbishop all the friends hee had should not be able to perswade the said Archbishop but that hee was afavourer of the Puritans Answer That I doe indeed remember a motion made by Mr. Barrell to this purpose and it was in the presence of one Mr. Lyster who can also testifie with mee that my only answer was this that if it had not been used to be read there before it should never have been put in use by mee but having been used there before I would not meddle with the altering of it without injunction or permission which afterwards when once I had from Doctor Duck in his visitation I presently did Article 6 6 That hee hath affirmed that the marrying of the Clergy is the undoing of the Clergy Answer Not unlikely but I have neither know I as yet any reason why I should recant it for for my part I know not as yet any thing that makes more to the undoing of Clergy men or other or that will bring more misery upon them than the estate of wedlock rashly runne into before there be sufficient meanes to support it Article 7. 7 That hee hath said that it will never be well with the Church of England untill confession bee set up in it Answer This Article I utterly deny Article 8. That hee hath spoken against the Doctrines of Predestination Answer What I have spoken against them sleeping I am not able to say but certaine I am that waking I never did as for the Pulpit I have learned better obedience to authority than to meddle in it with points forbidden and for other table or winter fires discourses to my knowledge I never spake so much as a syllable concerning them to any of my parish but only once to one gentleman who inviting me to supper in private discourse after it desired my opinion in those points my answer was as I well remember that for my part I thought it better a great deale for a man to employ his thoughts in the working out of his own salvation than curiously to busie them in Gods disposall of others Article 9. 9 That he hath affirmed that pictures are lay-mens books and that it is lawfull to have them in Churches and Chappell 's and hath desired the Church-Warden to set up the picture of a Saint in the Chancell and that hee carrieth to Church with him a testament full of crucifixes and pictures Answer 1 That happily I might say in occasionall discourse at the courteous table and hospitable entertainment of Gilbert Barrell Attorney that pictures are lay-mens books as from the mouth of Gregory the great whose speech it was I do not deny it but that I should affirme it as mine own opinion I defie it 2 That I might also at the same time and place say some such thing as that for mine own part I was not