Selected quad for the lemma: book_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
book_n	contrary_a	year_n	young_a	21	3	6.1517	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A86506	A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order.	Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678.	1646 (1646)	Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604	209,591	247

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time_n but_o do_v not_o deny_v the_o baptism_n of_o man_n of_o ripe_a year_n in_o asia_n we_o answer_v first_o touch_v cluniacensis_fw-la we_o have_v say_v abundance_n afore_o second_o animadver_n animadver_n that_o this_o argument_n do_v no_o more_o determine_v any_o thing_n about_o asia_n then_o about_o africa_n which_o be_v mr_n t._n his_o qu._n in_o hand_n and_o for_o africa_n we_o have_v hear_v abundant_o out_o of_o all_o sort_n of_o antiquity_n of_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n three_o cluniacensis_fw-la profess_v himself_o a_o latin_a ignorant_a of_o greek_a and_o other_o tongue_n and_o therefore_o do_v not_o determine_v here_o any_o thing_n concern_v place_n out_o of_o europe_n but_o be_v silent_a concern_v they_o four_o touch_v baptism_n of_o infant_n in_o asia_n we_o hear_v afore_o to_o that_o mr_n t._n object_n augustine_n and_o ambrose_n his_o judgement_n for_o infant-baptisme_n as_o put_v too_o much_o in_o the_o ordinance_n as_o conduce_v to_o salvation_n