of Yorke and Silby were there present In a booke intituled the burning of Pauls Church in London 1561. and in the fift question moved by a papist it is said that this manner of ministration of Sacraments set forth in the booke of Common prayers was never allowed nor agreed upon c. no not by the Clergie of England at the last Parliament but only it was agreed upon by the Laitie which had nothing a doe with spirituall matters or causes of religion Whereunto the reverend Father Master Pilkington Bishop of M. Pilkington Bishop of Durisme Duresme answering was there not saith he a disputation for Religion appointed by the Queenes Majestie wherein your Clergie was affraid to utter their foolishnesse in defending their superstition lest they had taken more shame in answering than they did in holding their peace I thinke the Vniversities with so many places of this Realme receiving religion and these other disputing for it may bee counted to be some part of the clergie of the Realme And so it was not received without consent of the Clergie But these were not of the Parliament What then But as Ioash Josaphat Ezechias and Iosias did not make a new Religion but restored that which was defaced and had long lyen buried so our Parliament did not set forth a new religion but restore that which was godly begun before the good K. Edward confirmed by the Parliament and Clergie then c. But nothing can bee concluded as a law by Parliament say they without consent of the Clergie there present But this having not their consent cannot be counted a law as they think I had rather saith M. Pilkington leave this to be answered by the Lawyers than otherwise Yet that the world may see that something may be said in it we grant him not this to be true that no law at all can be made without consent of Bishops Look your old statutes of Parliament when Bishops were highest afore Edward the third and ye shall read that they passed by consent of the Lords temporall and commons without any mention of the Lords spirituall which statutes many of them stand in strength at this day Then it may well be gathered that the consent of the Clergie was not alwayes so necessarie as they thinke it The Lawyers Judges and Justicers put in practice and execute these lawes therefore their doings may be a sufficient reason to lead the unlearned what opinion they have of this statutes For Religion except Justice Rastall first executing that and afterward running away may condemne the rest which I trust he may not I thinke they would not execute them except they had the strength and nature of lawes If they doe contrary to their knowledge and opinion they cannot be able to answer their doings but I think no wise men are of this opinion Only these corner creepers that dare not shew their face and would deceive the people go about to deface all good and godly order that displeases them In the dayes of K. Edward they had the like fond opinion that the king could not make lawes in his minoritie untill he came unto full age and to make the people to disobey their Prince Hitherto M. Pilkington L. Bishop of Durisme with whom the most worthy and learned M. Jewell late Bishop of M. Iewel B. of Salisburie Salisburie agreeth in every point The wise and learned faith hee could have told you that in the Parliaments of England matters have evermore used to passe not of necessitie by the speciall consent of the Archbishops and Bishops as if without them no statute might lawfully be enacted but only by the more part of voyces yea although the Archbishops and Bishops were never so earnestly bent against it And statutes so passing in Parliaments onely by the voyces of the Lords temporall without the consent and agreement of the Lords spirituall have neverthelesse beene alwayes confirmed and ratified by the Royall assent of the Prince and have beene enacted and published under the names of the Lords spirituall and temporall Reade saith hee the statutes of King Edward the first there shall ye find that in a Parliament holden at S. Edmundsbury the Archb. and Bishops were quite shut forth and yet the Parliament held on and good and profitable lawes were there enacted the departing or absence or malice of the Bishops spirituall notwithstanding In the Records thereof it is written thus Habito Rex cum suis Baronibus Parliamento Clero excluso statutum est The King keeping a Parliament with his Barons the Clergie that is to say the Archbishops and Bishops being shut forth it was enacted c. In provisione de matrona in the time of K. Edward the third whereas matter was moved of bastardie touching the legitimation of bastards borne before mariage the statute passed wholly with the Lords temporall whether the Lords spirituall would or no. and that contrary to the expresse decrees and canons of the Church of Rome And thus much the most reverend and godly Father M. Iewell Bishop of Salisbury Wherefore to conlude this point against the Admonitors position I dispute thus All those persons who by any necessitie are none of the three estates aâ—d by whose authorities the statutes of England to this day have not stood to leave out the same persons may happily seem a matter of lesse weight than all men do judge it But the Archbishops and Bishops are such persons as by nâ—cessitie are none of the three estates and by whose consents the statutes of England to this day have not stood Therefore to leave out the Archbishops and Bishops may happily seem a matter of lesse weight than all men doe judge it If our Evangelicall Bishops be of that opinion of which the Popish Bishops were viz. that the house of Parliament is an unfit and an unmeet place to have the holy cause of the religion of God debated and concluded upon and that the Laitie without the clergie ought not to conclude any thing in Religion and that in respect hereof their presences their voices and their assents are necessary in the â—arliament If our Evangelicall Prelates I say make this objection then besides that hereby they unseemely unmannerly and unchristianly accuse the whole land of ignorance and blindnesse in religion supposing neither King nor Nobles nor Commons to be able to discern betweene night and day besides this I say so shamefull an abuse of a whole Christian nation I would pray them to remember what the most reverend Fathers Master Pilkington and Master Iewell have answered to such cavillous slanders For what else intended they by many examples and proofes brought for the Parliaments of England consisting of the King the Nobles and the Commons to be lawfull Parliaments and to have right to establish religion but to justifie against Popish scoffers that religion might be conceived and established in Parliament notwithstanding the absence or exclusion of the Clergie Besides since our
his confident asseveration that William Sommers with divers others in Lancashire were possessed and that Master Dorrell was not an impostor The occasion of the Admonitors great commendation of a very good manner of ecclesiasticall discipline used by the high Commissioners hath necessarily drawn me to shew the differences of the disciplines used by the same To the intent the Kings Highnesse might be pleased with the advice of his Parliament to consult whether it were not more agreeable to the good lawes statutes and customes of the Realme and more convenient for the good government of the Church to have one certaine forme and rule of Ecclesiasticall discipline to be established and to be used by the high Commissioners rather than thus at randome to suffer their onely discretion to be the Mistresse of all Ecclesiasticall discipline especially sithence without any manner of appeale or supplication to be made from them unto the King they use what manner of discipline soever seemeth good in their owne eyes whether moderate or immoderate Civill or Ecclesiasticall without check or controlement Than the which there cannot seeme any thing more prejudicâ—all and burthensome unto the people ADMONITION Page 8â— Further more theâ—r whole drift as it may seeme is to bring the government of the Church to a Democracie or Aristocracie the principles and reasons whereof if they be made once by experience familiar in the minds of the common people and that they have the sense and feeling of them it is greatly to be feared that they will very easily transferre the same to the government of the common weale For by the same reasons they shall be induced to thinke that they have injurie if they have not as much to doe in civill matters as they have in matters of the Church seeing they also touch their commoditie and benefit temporally as the other doth spiritually and what hereof may follow I leave to the judgement of other ASSERTION Let it be granted that their whole drift is to bring the government Book of common prayer title communation and confirmed by 5 and 6 Ed. 6. c 1. prim Eliz. c. 2 8 Eliz c 1 Aristocracie in the Church not hurtfull to the coÌ„mon wealth of the Church to that manner of government which the learned call Aristocracie what incommoditie should the Church or common weale receive by such a government when as the same government is not only authorised by the holy law of God but also commended unto us by the desires and wishes of sundry acts of Parliaments For saith the booke of Common prayer the Discipline of the Primitive Church is greatly to bee wished Aristocracie therefore and the discipline of the Primitive Church differing but in name and not in nature it cannot be hurtfull to the common weale that the principles and reasons thereof should by experience be made familiar in the minds of the common people nay it cannot but bee beneficiall unto the common weale when the same shall understand that the best observers of the law of God and the best friends unto God and his people are to be the Officers in the house of God Neither is their whole drift to be disliked but to bee commended that labour to bring the government of the Church from a Papall Prelacie to a Christian Aristocracie the one viz. Aristocracie according to the interpritation of the name Aristocracie in the Church optimatum Praelacia pessimatum potestas thereof being optimatum potestas a power of the best observers of the law the other viz. Prelacie according to their practice being pessimatum potestas a power of the worst observers of the law the first derived from the law of God and practice of Gods people the other reduced from the lawes and customes of the Gentiles and idolatrous Priests And this of necessitie in defence of the truth the Admonitors argument forceth me to speake for by an implication of the dislike of bringing the government of the Churches by Pastours and Elders to a Democracie or Aristocracy he hath by consequence disclaimed and disavowed the government of the Church by Prelacie to be any of those two And what other government then should we thinke Prelacie to be but either Oligarchie or Tyrannie For neither Monarchie may it be neither Prelacie either Oligarchie or tyrannie Policie or politicall estate can it be and other kinde of government besides these there is not any For my part I more charitably judge of the government of the Church by prelacie than to match it with Tyrannie And although the Admonitor and the perusers and allowers of his booke were men in their generation wise yet had they well weighed the nature of the government of Oligarchie they would rather in this argument have beene silent than upon disclaime of Democracie and Aristocracie governments both of them commendable in their kind have cast the commendation of their owne government of the Church by Prelacie to so desperate an estate as is the estate of Oligarchie Wherein if any doe glory because not many of the best but some few of the wealthiest and richest sort doe governe then let him hearken and consider what long since was preached before Pope Vrban the fifth by one Nicholas Orem a man singularly commended for learning in his time Amongst all the regiments of the Gentiles Act. Mo. Nich. Orem his opinion of Oligarchie none saith he is more to be found wherein is to be seene so great and exceeding ods than in the policie of Priests Amongst whom one is drunken another is sterved amongst whom some bee so high that they exceed all Nobles and Princes of the earth some againe be so abased that they are under all rascals and such a common wealth saith he may well be called Oligarchie But Thomas Aquinas hee seemeth to set the diâ—commodities of Oligarchie a pinne higher for saith he as a Kingdome hath in it the commodities Tho. Aquin. what hee thinketh of Oligarchie Aristocracie a good regiment of all other good regiments of Aristocracie that the Noblest and chiâ—fest persons among the people be taken to Councell of policie or politicall estate where an assemblie of all estates is had and when the very best of all sorts are chosen to consult and deliberate of the publike wealâ— so doth Tyrannie containe and hath in it all incommodities and vices of all naughâ—inesse and corrupt regiments of Oligarchie it borroweth that the most wicked and corruptest men be Counsellours and that as it were a rout of Tyrants doe governe The reasons and pillars of which Oligarchie are immoderatenesse Oligarchie a corrupt regiment excessivenesse disparitie and inequalitie passing and beyond all meane and measure Now if our reverend Bishops shall shew themselvea to be male contented with mee as though out of the opinions of these learned men I woud gather that the government of the Church by Prelacie is one of he corruptest governments I am to desire them to have patience
AN ASSERTION FOR True and Christian CHURCH-POLICIE Wherein Certain Politike Objections made against the planting of PASTOURS and Elders in every Congregation are sufficiently ANSWERED And Wherein also sundry projects are set downe how the Discipline by Pastors and Elders may be planted without any derogation to the Kings Royall Prerogative any indignity to the three Estates in Parliament or any greater alteration of the laudable Lawes Statutes or Customes of the Realme than may well bee made without damage to the people IN DOMINO CONFIDO London Printed 1642. To the Right Honourable the LORDS and COMMONS Assembled in High COURT of Parliament Right HONOURABLE c. THe Ensuing Treatise which I am bold to present to Your wisedomes view containes principall politicall reasons grounded upon the Lawes of this Kingdom for the removing of the present Hierarchie and planting of a Governement by Pastors and Elders The appellation of Lay Elders hath beene very displeasing to many whereas the Elder intended to be planted is not lay but in regard of the service wherein hee is to bee imployed Ecclesiasticall The Author was an elaborate Student in the civill Law and a professor of it He was esteemed learned by the best of that profession as also by Divines and common Lawyers learned Sir Edward Cook late Chiefe Justice of the Kings Bench Sir Christopher Yelverton late Judge of the Common Pleas Sir Henry Finch late the Kings Serjeant at Law and others have given testimony of him The Treatise is an answer to diverse passages in a Book written by D. Whitgift late Archb. of Canterbury intituled An admonition to the Parliament The Author as I doubt not but will appeare to your Wisedomes hath written with the spirit of meekenesse and humility submitting all to the judgement of an High Court of Parliament hee disputes with the Great Bishop in a Scholasticall way without one syllable of reviling or bitter language which he ever detested Hee discovers the foundation of the Hierarchie to be totally illegall and to bee abolished by the abolition of the Papall Canon Law which appeares to be abolished by the statute of 25. of Henry 8. cap. 9. The truth whereof being discovered by the Authors means to the said learned Judge Sir Edward Cooke hee did most ingenuously acknowledge and did avow he never understood the statute so well before yet affirmed he thought he had read the said statute an hundred times May it please you in your wisedomes to commend the Treatise to bee viewed by the learned Gent. of the long Robe whose awfull judgments I shall ever honour Most true it is I dare averre there is little written in this Kingdome tending to the removall of the Episcopacie from Legall and Politicall arguments but the Author hath the arrowes in his quiver I say not that others have borrowed light from his Candle Right Honourable and Right worthy I shall humbly take further boldnes humbly presuming upon your Honourable favours if this poore model find acceptance in your sight to present you with a new impression of an abstract written in time of famous Queene Elizabeth a Book well knowne to learned King Iames by the same Author whose memory I am bound by nature to Honour Give mee leave onely now to make knowne unto you the Title and severall Treatises contained in it It is intituled An abstract of certaine Laws Canons and Constitutions Synodall and Provinciall in force within the Queenes dominions and for the most part unknowne to the subject It containeth these principall Treatises 1. That a learned Ministery is commanded by Law 2. That Pluralities are forbidden by Law 3. That it is unlawfull to make a Minister without a title 4. That it is unlawfull for a Clerk to have civill authority This abstract was seemingly answered by the rayling stile of a then Doctor Cozens but by a further incounter and the counterpoyson yet extant written by the same Author he departed the Field with Honour such was the opinion of many learned among others of the foresaid Reverend Judge Sir Henry Yelverton This treatise was never questioned nor quarreld for ought I ever heard Yet was the Author well knowne to many of the Bishops You may happily in your Wisdomes conceive some things might have beene omitted as not wholly incident to the time and some abbreviated in regard of the shortnesse of your time and of the high affaires now in hand But may it please you being about so to doe I found the light must have bin much Eclipsed and the truth obscured I am over bold most humbly to commend the defence of what he writes grounded upon the laws of the Kingdome to your most Honourable protection It shall be enough for me to attend among the meanest of your servants having heretofore had the happinesse to have bin a member though unworthy of the Honourable House of Commons Presenting your honours and your grave wisdomes with my heartiest prayers and humblest service In most humble manner I intreate your pardon of and for The Contents THe defenders of the Hierarchy confesse their government is not apostolicall pag. 2. The bringing in of the discipline desired causeth no alteration of temporall laws nor the officers of a kingdom 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 No feare that prophane men will overthrow the Gospell if the forme of Church government be altered 10. The description of lukewarme professors that will be of that religion the King will be of 11. The Puritan protestants can never overthrow the Gospell 13. Neither can the Papist because he is overthrown by the Gospel 13 The planting of an Apostolicall government will draw no alteration of the Lawes of the Realme 14. The whole Papal Law is totally abolished by the statute of the 25 of Henry 8. c. 19. of the submission of the Clergie as appeares by the body of the statute and the proviso from the 15. to the 20. Canon and civill Lawes no part of the Lawes of the Realme but by sufferance 15 An imbasement for Civillians to have preferment by the offices of the Canon Law that ought not to be used 17 18 19. Whence it followeth that the papall Canon Law being abolished the papall offices and functions of Archbishops and Bishops are also abolished being grounded upon the same Law 20 Power properly and improperly called spirituall 20 21 Bishops remaine ordinary by custome provinciall Canons and statute Law though papall lawes be abolished 21 The King though Supreame governour of the Church cannot give Archbishops and Bishops spirituall power properly called spirituall that power must be derived from the Scripture 20. The Bishops did use a plenary power devised and promulged new Canons without the Queenes assent 23 All the Bishops together can make no new Law and yet every Bishop doth make many lawes 24 All temporall officers do draw their power from the King one way or other 25 The Charter of England confirmeth not the power of Archbishops or Bishops because their power appeares not by the
written of the common law is reported hath beene in times passed presented and punished in leets and law-dayes in divers parts of the Realme by the name of Letherwhyte which is as the booke saith an ancient Saxon terme And the Lord of the Leet where it hath beene presented hath ever had a fine for the same offence By the statute of those that be borne beyond the seas it appeareth that the King hath cognizance 25. Ed 3. of some bastardy And now in most cases of bastardie if not in all by the statute of Eliz. the reputed father of a bastard borne is lyable to be punished at the discretion of the justices of peace Touching perjurie if a man lose his action by a false verdict in plea Perjurie if punishable temporally in some cases why not in all of land he shall have an attaint in the Kings Court to punish the perjurie and to reforme the falsitie And by divers statutes it appeareth that the Kings temporall Officers may punish perjurie committed in the Kings temporall Courts And though it be true that such perjury as hath risen upon causes reputed spirituall have beene in times past punished only by Ecclesiastical power and censures of the Church yet hereupon it followeth not that the perjurie it selfe is a meere spirituall and not a temporall crime or matter or that the same might not to be civily punished By a statute of Westminster 25. Edw. 3. it was accorded that the Vsurie King and his heires shall have the cognizance of the usurers dead and that the Ordinaries have cognizance of usurers on life to make compulsion by censures of the Church for sinne and to make restitution of the usuries taken against the lawes of holy Church And by another statute it is provided that usuries shall not turne against any being â—0 h. 3. â— 5. within age after the time of the death of his Ancestor untill his full age But the usurie with the principall debt which was before the death of his ancestor did remaine and turne against the heire And because all usurie being forbidden by the law of God is sinne and detestable it was enacted that all usurie lone and forbearing of money c. giving dayes c. shall be punished according to the forme of that Act. And that every such offender shall also bee punished and corrected according to the Ecclesiasticall lawes before that time made against usurie By all which statutes it seemeth that the cognizance and reformation of usurie by the lawes of the Realme pertaineth onely to the King unlesse the King by his Law permit the Church to correct the same by the censures of the Church as a sin committed against the holy law of God Touching heresies and schismes albeit the Bishops by their Episcopall and ordinarie spirituall power grounded upon Canon law or an evill custome have used by definitive sentence pronounced in their Consistories to condemn men for heretikes and schismatikes and heresies schismes are punishable by the kings laws afterward being condemned to deliver them to the secular power to suffer the paines of death as though the king being custos utriusque tabulae had not power by his kingly office to inquire of heresie to condemn an heretike and to put him to death unlesse he were first condemned and delivered into his hands by their spirituall power although this hath been I say the use in England yet by the statutes of Richard the second and Henry the fifth it was lawfull for the Kings Judges and Justices to enquire of heresies and Lollards in Leets Sheriffs 25. h. 5. c. 14. turnes and in Law dayes and also in Sessions of the peace Yea the King by the common law of the Realme revived by an act of Parliament which before the Statute of Henry the fourth was altered may pardon a man condemned for heresie yea and if it should come to passe that any heresies or schismes should arise in the Church of England the king by the Lawes of the Realme and by his Supreme and 1 Eliz c. 1. Soveraigne power with his parliament may correct redresse and reforme all such defaults and enormities Yea further the king and his 1 Eliz. c. 1. parliament with consent of the Clergie in their Convocation hath power to determine what is heresie and what is not heresie If then it might please the king to have it enacted by parliament that they which opiniatively and obstinately hold defend and publish any opinions which according to an Act of Parliament already made have beene or may be ordered or adjudged to bee heresies should bee heretikes If it please the King heretikes may be adjudged felons and heresies felonies and felons and their heresies to be felonies and that the same heretiks and felons for the same their heresies and felonies being arraigned convicted and adjudged by the course of the common law as other felons are should for the same their heresies and felonies suffer the paines of death there is no doubt but the King by vertue of his Soveraigne and Regall Lawes might powerfully enough reforme heresies without any such ceremoniall forme papall observance or superstitious solemnitie as by the order of the Canon Law pretended to bee still in force have beene accustomed And as these offences before mentioned bee punishable partly by temporall and partly by Ecclesiasticall authoritie so drunkennesse absence from divine service and prayer fighting quarrelling and brawling in Church and Churchyard defamatorie words and libels violent laying on oâ— hands upon a Clarke c. may not onely bee handled and punished in a court ecclesiasticall but they may also be handled and punished by the King in his temporall courts By all which it is evident that the Clergie hath had the correction of these crimes rather by a The cognizance of all crimes as well as of some crimes â—â— the law of God belong to the King custome and by sufferance of Princes than for that they be meere spirituall or that they had authoritie by the immediate law of God And if all these as well as some of these crimes by sufferance of Princes and by a custome may be handled and punished spiritually then also if it please the King may all these as well as some of these crimes without a custome be handled and punished temporally For by custome and sufferance only some of these crimes be exempted from the cognizance of the King and therefore by the immediate law of God the cognizance as well of all as of some oâ— these crimes properly appertaineth unto the King And then the judgement of those men who defend judgements of adulterie slander c. to be more temporall and by the temporall Magistrate only to be dealt in seemeth every way to be a sincere and sound judgment Howbeit they doe not hereby intend that the party offending in any of these things and by the Kings law punishable should therefore wholly bee exempted and freed
the bishops And therefore in the finding and having of one pastour in every parish they and wee differ not But that men of occupations only should be chosen Seniors and Deacons in every parish or if Seniours and Deacons were men of occupations in any parish that they should be all found of the parish we utterly disclaime as an absurditie of absurdities And yet wee deny not but in Cities and great townes wherein for the most part men of trade doe inhabit that Seniours and Deacons must of necessitie be men of occupations Vnlesse then an occupation must of necessitie hinder men from being faithfull religious and godly men there is no reason to inforce that men of occupations in cities and What kind of men ought to be chosen seniours and Deacons great towns should not be chosen Seniours and Deacons And as for Countrey parishes wherein very few or no men of occupations doe reside this objection is altogether idle In which parishes also we affirm that men of greatest gravitie integrity wisedome faith and godlinesse ought to be chosen Seniours and Deacons And wee doubt not but all such men as whom we intend ought to bee chosen Seniours and Deacons whether dwelling in Cities and Townes or in the Countrey would be as ready as willing and as watchfull prudently to imploy themselves hereafter in matters of the Church as now either themselves or their equals are busied in matters of their corporations or common weal without any manner of contribution to be yeelded towards their finding When the people of Israel were commanded to pay their tythes first fruites and other oblations unto the Priests and Levites for their attendance and service in the Sanctuary we do not read in the whole book of God that they were injoyned to be helpers and contributers to the reliefe and sustentation of the Captaines over thousands of the Captaines over hundreds nor of the Elders and governours placed citie by citie for the affaires of the King And therefore sithence wee have neither precept nor president that all the officers of the Church should be found at the costs of the Church and sithence also as well in Countrey parishes as in Cities and townes to the praise and glory of God be it spoken wee have many able wealthy and substantiall persons who have given their names unto Christ what necessitie is there that any such Seniours and Deacons should bee elected as have need to be relieved and supported by a common purse And Church-wardens and sidemen are not found at the charges of the parishes had the Admonitor well and advisedly pondered that our Church-wardens and Sidemen who carry a semblance of governing Seniours that our Collectors also for the poore who justle out the Deacons being all of them men of occupations poore husbandmen or day labourers and being not â—ound of the parish are notwithstanding ofâ—entimes in the yeare troubled and turmoyled from one end of the Diocesse unto the other and that which is more from attendance upon their day labour husbandry and occupations to wait and to attend not upon matters of the Church but upon money matters pertaining to the officers of the Bishops consistorie Had he I say wisely and sincerely considered these things he would certainly not once have mentioned this so silly and simple a suggestion But quite and cleane to cut off at one blow all the skirts of the coate of this silly bulbegger that the very buttocks of it may be bare and that the Church may see there is no such burthensome Charge to be laid upon her as is fained the grave and godly judgement and policie of King Edward The judgment of K. Ed. 6. commissioners touching Elders and Deacons the sixth his Commissioners authorized to compile a booke for the reformation of lawes Ecclesiasticall according to an act of Parliament in that behalfe provided shall rise up for us and plead the truth and equitie of this our sayings The commissioners names were these viz. The most reverend Father Thomas Cranmer Archbishop of Canterbury Thomas Bishop of Ely Richard Cox the Kings Almoner Peter Martyr professor of Divinitie William May Rowland Taylor Doctor of the Law Sir Iohn Cheeke Iohn Lucas Richard Godericke M. Hadon and others All which reverend learned Titul de divinis officiis c. 10. f. 45. and religious men as with one voice and accord speake one thing so thus and thus they speake Evening prayer being finished wherunto all shall be attendant after sermon in their owne Chuâ—ches the chiefe Minister whom they call parochies and the Deacon if happily they shall be present or they being absent let the Ministers Vicars and Elders so the Archbishop of Canterbury afterwards a godly Martyr and Bishops can skil of the name of Deacon and Elders with the people confer about the money put apart to godly uses how the same may be best imployed And let the Dâ—scipline lo these sage Counsellers were all Disciplinarians be reserved untill that time For they whose frowardnes hath been publike and tending to the common offence of the Church let such be recalled to the acknowledgement of their faults and let them publikely for the same bee censured that the Church by their wholesom coertion may be brought in good frame Afterward let the Minister going a part with some of the Elders take counsell how the others whose manners are said to be lewd and whose life is said to be full of mischiese may first according to the commandement of Christ in the Gospell come together and be communed with by sober and discreet men and with a certaine kinde of brotherly love By whose admonition if they shall reforme themselves thankes are diligently to bee given unto God But if they shall proceed forth in their wickednesse they are to bee bound with that sharpe paine which by the Gospell wee know to bee prepared for contumacie And when the force and vehemency of excommunication shall bee shaken first let the Bishop be sought unto who if hee shall consent and oppose his authoritie let the forme of excommunication bee dispatched before the whole Church that we may bring in as much as may be the ancient Discipline Thus much have these most Christian Disciplinarians and renewers of the ancient Discipline by Pastours Elders and Deacons both written and spoken And yet have they founded never a word to the finding of Elders and Deacons by the Parish nor by having men of occupations to leave their businesse to attend upon matters of the Church For men thus meeting together once only in the week and that upon the Lords day and that only within their own parishes and without payment of any fees may very wel notwithstanding these attendances give themselves wholly all the weeke following to their ordinary vocations And therefore against his not able to finde one tolerable Minister much lesse to finde a Companie c. I conclude thus No Parish in England shall be burdened to find so much as one
bishops and societie against the right and freedome of the law of God against the principles of humane fellowships against that which was in the begining and against that which the Apostles left in the Churches by colour of lawes brought into the Church by the cursings and fightings of the late Romane Bishops they would not henceforth barre and seclude the Kings Christian and faithfull people from giving their consents unto their pastours Yea and we further beseech their Lordships that are schollers unto the Apostles and as servants unto the old way of reason of nature of the law of God of the equitie of Christ and of humane societie they would hereafter imbrace that way which was from the beginning which is the old way and the best way and not any longer persist in a cursed and quarrelling way which is the new way and the worst way But if the Lords spirituall of their own accord shal not readily vouclsafe to yeeld unto us this our right at our intreatie then for my part I will briefly shew mine opinion what were expedient for the A supplieation to the king by the Lords and commons for the restitution of their right in the choice of their pastors Lords and commons in open parliament dutifully to pray and to supplicate at the Kings Majesties hand Namely At the humble petitions and supplications of all his Lords temporall and commons in Parliament assembled his majestie would bee well pleased to give his Royall assent to an act to be intituled An act for the restitution of the ancient right and freedome which the people of God in the old Churches had and which the people of England ought to have in to or about the election of their Pastours and abolishing all papal power repugnant to the same For if as it is plainly confessed the people of all Churches have right and freedome by the law of God by the equitie of Christ by the grounds of reason and nature by the principles of humane fellowships and by that which was from the beginning to elect their pastours and if also the same right and freedome being left to the old Churches and especially to the Church at Ierusalem by the Apostles have beene taken away by the cursings and fightings of the late Bishops of Rome then cannot the people without violation of those lawes rules and grounds by any Episcopall power be any more excluded from their said right and freedome than could or might the ancient jurisdiction of the Crowne of England have beene still usurped by the pope from the Kings of England ADMONITION But alas the common people of England thorough affection and want of right judgement are more easily wrought by ambitious persons to give their consâ—nt to unworthy men as may appeare in all those officâ—s of gaine or dignitie that at this day remaine in the choise of the multitude ASSERTION The Admonitor in one place of his admonition telleth us that he must not put all that he thinketh in writing and yet he writeth in this place that thing which might far better have been utterly unthought than once written for could he thinke to win the common people of England to a continuall good liking of high and stately prelacie by upbraiding and charging them to their faces in a book dedicated unto them with affection and wanting of right judgement Was this the way to procure grace favour and benevolence at their hands And albeit this slander deserved rather to have beene censured by the Commons in Parliament than by confutation to have beene answered yet for the better clearing of the right judgement of the common people giving their consents to most worthy men in all offices of gaine or dignitie remaining in their hands I thinke it necessarie to shew the indignitie of this contumelie There be I confesse in London Yorke Lincoln Bristow Exceter Norwich Coventry and other principall Cities and townes corporate Majors Sheriffes Stewards Recorders Bailiffes Chamberlains Bridge-masters Clerkes Swordbearers Knights Burgesses and such like offices some of dignitie some of gaine but that the officers of these or any other places whether of dignitie or gaine be chosen by the multitude of those places is utterly untrue for onely according to their ancient customes priviledges and Charters by the chief Citizens Townsmen and Borough-masters are those officers chosen The number also of which Electors in all places is not alike In London the Aldermen choose the Lord Major In other Cities and Townes sometimes eight and forty sometimes fourteene sometimes twelve sometimes only such as have borne office as Majors Sheriffes and Bailiffs in the same places nominate and elect their new Major Sheriffs and Bailiffes But that the Aldermen principall Towns-men Borough-masters and men having born chief offices in those cities towns and boroughs have easily been wrought by ambitious persons to give their consents unto unworthy men though it have pleased the Ll. Bb. with seene and allowed to have spred and published this saying yet that the same saying is wholly unworthy of any credit to bee given unto it or to bee regarded of any wise and indifferent man let the sober and peaceable elections made of the worthies of the land hereafter mentioned be witnesses The officers in Cities and townes corporate chosen with out contention and ambitious working of unworthy men And to leave to speake of the election of the Lord Major of the Citie of London Sheriffs Aldermen Wardens of companies Chamberlains bridge-masters and other annuall officers of honour and dignitie let us consider whether the Citizens of London have beene wrought by ambitious persons to choose M. Wilbraham M. Onslie M. Bromley to be their Recorders â—ll three afterward the Queenes solicitors and M. Bromly Lord Chancellor of England and let us consider whether the same Citizens as men of affection and want of right judgement did elect to be Recorders of the same Citie M. Serjeant Fleetwood Master Serjeant Flemming Master Serjeant Drue and how Master Crooke a man wise learned and religious and a Counseller and justicer within the principâ—litie of Wales The Recorder of the towne of Bedford is the right honourable the Lord S. Iohns of Bletsoe The Recorder of Bristoll was a long time Master Poppam now Lord chief Justice of England The Recorder of Northampton before he came to be Judge in the Kings bench was Master Serjeant Yelverton a favouter of the truth and an upright Justicer The Recorder of Warnick was Master Serjeant Puckering afterward Lord keeper of the great seale And of the same towne the Recorder now is a worthy Knight descended from a noble house Sir Foulke Grevile The Recorder of Coventrie is Sir Iohn Harrington Knight a man zealous for the true feare of God The Recorder of Chichester was M. Serjeant Lewkner now chiefe Justice in the principalitâ—e of Wales The Recorder of Norwich was Master Cooke the Kings Atturney generall And who soever shall enquire after the names and after the manner of election
most men contemned and that it will be of small force to bring to effect any good amendment of life ASSERTION But who taught him to father or to fasten this untruth upon us only then this might suffice for answer that hee did never yet heare any one of our part so much as call much lesse to cry for discipline No discipline by excommunication only called for Discipline by excommunication onely no more to bee suffered by excommunication only For wee say cleane otherwise viz that the Discipline of the Church ought not to be executed as now for the most part it is by excommunication only This manner of discipline therefore by excommunication only is one of the disorders in the Church used by the reverend Bishops and which wee so much desire to bee reformed And for this cause we intreat their Lordships to forbeare the practice of that which as it seemeth they would so faine have others to mislike But happily this was not the marke whereat the Admonitor shot for Bishoply and Archdeaconly excommunication being daily used it is like that he bent his bow and aimed at that excommunication only which is pastorall and Elderly Against which forme and manner of excommunication let be so that some learned men of this age have at large declared in their workes set forth to the world that the same will be of most men contemned and that it will be of small force to bring to effect any good amendment of The writings of som learned men not sufficient to condemâ—eâ— excommunication by pastours and Elders life let this I say be granted what of all this must the Church of England therefore dislike and reject the same God forbid The whole doctrine of Faith and Sacraments we know to bee of most men contemned and to be of small force to bring most men from superstitious and popish idolatrie And how then is it possible but that the sword of this doctrine should have as little entertainement amongst most men as the doctrine He that casteth away the kernell will much more despise the shale And hee that setteth light by the sword will set lesse by the scabberd It sufficeth then that the children of the Church in England striving to enter in at the narrow gate and embracing the doctrine of the Gospell it is sufficient I say that they submit and subject their necks unto the yoke of the Gospell for what have we to doe with them that are without Doth the law of England endight condemn and judge a Spaniard resiant in Spaine The Admonitor himselfe affirmeth at the time when our Saviour Christ said dic Ecclesiae that there were many presidents as it page 134 were and governours of the Church together with the chiefe Ministers page 135 The Bb. confesseth that the Minister and Elders did governe in the primitive Church of every congregation nay further hee saith thaâ— he will not deny that the Apostles afterward and the primitive Church did practise the same These some learned men then eâ—ther must shew and prove unto us the children of God in England that this forme of governing the Church and excommunicating by many presidents and go vernours together with the chiefe Minister of every congregation was given to the Churches in the time of Christ and his Apostles but only for that time and that therefore that form is now at an end and ceased or els it must be confirmed unto us that God hath in these dayes altered and changed his mind touching England and that hee hath by some new vision or revelation commanded the Reverend Bishops in these dayes to teach the Church of England that he will not have the same manner of Government used in the Church of England because it would be of most of his Children in England The opinion of some Learned men not sufficient for the Church of England to depart from the word contemned and of small force to bring to effect any good amendment of life in them for albeit all the Learned men in the world had declared as much in their workes set forth to the world as is here spoken of what were that to the children of God in England unlesse the same Learned men had taught unto us true learning from the mouth of God How much lesse are we bound to regard what only some Learned men of this age have declared unto us the same some Learned men having no warrant out of the holy Booke of God for such their Learning For if the declaration of some Learned men of this age in their workes set forth to the world may be a sufficient warrant to draw men from the way of truth then hardly let the declaration of Doctor Harding against the true use of the Lords Supper and then let the declaration of Osorius against justification by faith and the declarations of Bellarmine against diverse Articles of our Religion and the declaration of Doctor Allen against the execution of Justice in England and the declaration of Doctor Saunders a rebellious fugitive in the defence of the Popes Bull and the declaration of G. T. for the pretended Catholikes and lastly let the declaration of the Pope and his whole Clergy excommunicating our late Soveraigne Lady the Queen deceased bee received and listned unto For who can deny but that these men were some men and that these some men were also some learned men and who then seeth not the loosenesse the vanity the trifling and the toying of this argument The Argument following which the Admonitor would seeme Page 81. to let passe drawne from experience is of like quality For though experience as hee saith teach that men of stubbornnesse will not By excommunication of Pastors and Elders moe can not bee out of communion than in communion shun the company of such as bee excommunicated and though such men of stubbornnesse must be also as he saith excommunicated for keeping of company with them yet to affirme that by meanes of Pastourly and Elderly excommunication moe will bee excommunicated as being men of stubbornesse than in communion is a very grosse and palpable errour For we hold as the truth is that the greater part of the Church cannot be excommunicated by the lesser nor that many should be excommunicated by a few nor that a few should bee excommunicated by one of the Church And if the common union must necessarily consist of all or of the most part of the faithfull then is the lesser part alwayes out of this common union For what else is excommunication but extra communionem ejectio a casting forth of one or of moe persons from the common fellowship society and company of the faithfull The greatest part whereof and not the least are accompted to be the Church and to be in communion unlesse then the whole Church or the greater part of the Church having once cast out from among them one or moe adulterers blasphemers extortioners or such like