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A14614	The copies of certaine letters vvhich haue passed betweene Spaine and England in matter of religion Concerning the generall motiues to the Romane obedience. Betweene Master Iames Wadesworth, a late pensioner of the holy Inquisition in Siuill, and W. Bedell a minister of the Gospell of Iesus Christ in Suffolke.	Wadsworth, James, 1572?-1623.; Bedell, William, 1571-1642. aut; Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.	1624 (1624)	STC 24925; ESTC S119341	112,807	174

c. without any particular mention of the booke or forme of ordering Ministers and Bishops Hence grew one doubt whether ordinations and consecrations according to that forme were good in Law or no. Another was Queene Elizabeth in her Letters Patents touching such Consecrations Ordinations had not vsed as may seeme besides other generall words importing the highest authoritie in causes Ecclesiasticall the title of Supreame Head as King Henry and King Edward in their like Letters Patents were wont to d● that notwithstanding the Act of 35. Hen. 8. after the repeale of the former repeale might seeme though neuer specially reuiued This as I ghosse was another exception to those t●at by vertue of those Patents were Consecrated Whereupon the Parliament declares First that the Booke of Common Prayer and such order and form● for consecrating of Archbishops and● Bishops c. as was set forth in the time of King Edward the Sixth and added thereto and authorised by Parliament shall stand in force and be obserued Secondly That all Acts done by any person about any consecration confirmation o● in●esting of any elect to the Office or Dignitie of Arch-bishop or Bishop by vertue of the Queenes Letters Patents or Commission since the beginning of her reigne bee good● Thirdly That all that haue beene ordered or consecrated Archbishops Bishops Priests c. after the said forme and order be rightly made ordered and consecrated any Statute Law Canon or other thing to the contrary notwithstanding These were the reasons of that Act which as you see doth not make good the Nags-head-ordination as F. Halywood pretends vnlesse the same were according to the forme in Edward the Sixth dayes His next proofe is that Bo●er Bishop of London while hee liued alwayes set light by the Statutes of the Parliaments of Queene Elizaboth alleadging that there wanted Bishops without whose consent by the Lawes of the Realme there can no firme Statuee bee made That Boner despised and set not a straw by the Acts of Parliament in Queene Elizabeths time I hold it not impossible and yet there is no other proofe thereof but his bare word and the ancient Confessors tradition of which we heard before Admitting this for certaine there might bee other reasons thereof besides the ordination at the Nags-head The stiffenesse of that man was no lesse in King Edwards time then Queene Elizabeths And indeed the want also of Bishops might be the cause why he little regarded the Acts of her first Parliament For both much about the time of Queene Maries death dyed also Cardinall Poole and sundry other Bishops and of the rest some for their contemptuous behauiour in denying to performe their dutie in the Coronation of the Queene were committed to prison others absented themselues willingly So as it is commonly reported to this day there was none or very few there For as for Doctor Parker and the rest they were not ordained till December 1559. the Parliament was dissolued in the May before So not to stand now to refute Boners conceit that according to our Lawes there could bee no Statutes made in Parliament without Bishops wherein our Parliament men wil rectifie his iudgement F. Halywood was in this report twice deceiued or would deceiue his Reader First that he would make that exception which Boner laid against the first Parliament in Queen Elizabeths time to be true of all the rest Then that he accounts B. Boner to haue excepted against this Parliament because the Bishops there were no Bishops as not canonically ordained where it was because there was no Bishops true or false there at all His last proofe is That D. Bancroft being demanded of M. Al●blaster whence their first Bishops receiued their orders answered that hee hoped a Bishop might bee ordained of a Presbyter in time of necessity Silently granting that they were not ordained by any Bishop and therefore saith he the Parliamentary Bishops are without order Episcopall their Ministers also no Priests For Priests are not made but of Bishops whence Hierome Qu●d facit c. What doth a Bishop sauing ordination which a Presbyter doth not I haue not the meanes to demand of D. Alablaster whether this be true or not Nor yet whether this be all the answere he had of D. Bancroft That I affirme that if it were yet it followes not that D. Bancroft silently granted they had no orders of bishops Vnlesse he that in a false discourse both where propositions be vntrue denies the Maior doth silently grant the Minor Rather he iested at the futilitie of this Argument which admitting all this lying Legend of the Nags-head and more to suppose no ordination by any Bishops had beene euer effected notwithstanding shewes no sufficient reason why there might not be a true consecration and true Ministers made and consequently a true Church in England For indeed necessitie dispences with Gods owne positiue Lawes as our Sauiour shewes in the Gospel much more then with mans and such by Hieromes opinion are the Lawes of the Church touching the difference of Bishops and Presbyters and consequently touching their ordination by Bishops onely Whereof I haue treated more at large in another place for the iustification of other reformed Churches albeit the Church of England needs it not To confirme this Argument it pleaseth F. Halywood to add● That King Edward the Sixth tooke away the Catholike rite of ordaining and in stead of it substituted a few Caluinisticall prayers Whom Queene Elizabeth followed c. And this is in effect the same thing which you say when you adde that Couerdale being made Bishop of Exceter in King Edwards time when all Councells and Church Canons were little obserued it is very doubtfull hee was neuer himselfe canonically consecrated and so if hee were no canonicall Bishop hee could not make another canonicall To F. Halywood I would answere that King Edward tooke not away the Catholike rite of ordaining but purged it from a number of idle and superstitious rites prescribed by the Popish Pontifical And the praiers which he scoffes at if they were Caluinisticall sure it was by prophecie for Caluin neuer saw them●ill Queene Maries time when by certaine of our English exiles the Booke of Common Prayer was translated and shewed him if he saw them then Some of them as the Let any and the Hymne Veni Creator c. I hope were none of Caluins deuising To you if you name what Councells and Church Canons you meane and make any certaine exception either against Bishop Couerdale or any of the rest as not canonicall Bishops I will endeauour to satisfie you Meane while remember I beseech you that both Law and reason and Religion should induce you in doubtfull things to follow the most fauourable sentence and not rashly out of light surmises to pronounce against a publike and solemne ordination against the Orders conferred successiuely from it against a whole Church Wherein I cannot but commend Doctor Carriers modestie

they would not forethinke that possible this good old man would not drinke so freely as to bee drunken and if hee were yet would not be in the humour to doe as they would haue him for who can make any foundation vpon what another would doe in his cups What a scorne would this bee to them Men are not alwaies so prouident in their actions True but such men are not to bee imagined so so●tish as to attempt so solemne an action and ioyned commonly with some great feast and as you obserued well out of the Acts with the Queens mandate for the action to be done and hang all vpon a drunken fit of an old man Besides how comes it to passe that wee could neuer vnderstand the names of the old Bishop or of those whom hee should haue consecrated or which consecrated themselues when hee refused to doe it For so doe your men giue it out howsoeuer you say it was not there effected And in all the space of Queene Elizabeths reigne wherein so many set themselues against the reformation by her established is it possible wee should neuer haue heard word of it of all the English on that side the Seas if it had beene any other then a flying tale After fortie fiue yeeres there is found at last an Irish Iesuite that dares put it in print to proue by it as now you doe that the Parliamentary Pastors lacke holy orders But he relates sundry particulars and brings his proofes For the purpose this ordainer or consecrater hee saith was Laudasensis Episcopus home senex simplex His name Nay that yee must pardon him But of what Citie or Diocesse was hee Bishop for wee haue none of that title Here I thought once that by errour it had beene put for Landaffensis of Landaffe in Wales saue that three times in that Narration it is written La●dasensis which notwithstanding I continued to bee of the same minde because I found Bishop Boners name twice alike false written Bomerus But loe in the Margent a direction to the Booke De Schismate fol. 166. where hee saith this matter is touched and it is directly affirmed that they performed the Office of Bishops without any Episcopall consecration Againe that great labour was vsed without an Irish Arch-bishop in prison at London to ordaine them but hee could by no meanes be brought thereto So it seemes we must passe out of Wales into Ireland to finde the See of this Bishop or Archbishop But I beleeue we may saile from thence to Virginia to seeke him for in Ireland we shal not find him Let vs come to those that he should haue ordained what were there names Candidati if that wil content you more yee get not Why they might haue been remembred as well as the Nags-head as well as Boners name and his See and that hee was Dean● of the Bishops hee meanes of the Archbishopricke sede vacante and that he sent his Chaplaine his name also is vnknowne to forbid the Ordination At least their Sees To cut the matter short Quid plura Scoraeus Monachus post Herefordensis pseudo-episcopus coeteris ex coeteris quidam Scor aeo manus imponunt fiuntque sine patre fili● pater à fili●s procreatur res seculis omnibus inauditae Here is at length some certaintie some truth mingled among to giue the better grace and to be as it were the Vehiculum of a lie For Iohn Scory in King Edward his times Bishop of Chichester and after of Hereford was one of those that ordained Doctor Parker and preached at his ordination But that was the ordination effected as you call it wee are now in that which was not effected but attempted onely And here wee seeke againe who were these quidams that laid hands on S●ory Wee may goe looke them with La●dasensis the Archbishop of Ireland Well heare the proofes Master Thomas Neale Hebrew Reader of Oxford which was present told thus much to the ancient Confessors they to F. H●lywood This proofe by Tradition as you know is of little credit with Protestants and no maruell for experience shewes that reports suffer strange alterations in the carriage euen when the reporters are not interessed Iremeus relates from the ancient Confessors which had seene Iohn the Disciple and the other Apostles of the Lord and heard it from them that Christ our Sauiour was betweene fortie and fiftie yeeres of age before his passion I doe not thinke you are sure it was so For my part I had rather beleeue Irenaeus and those ancients hee mentions and the Apostles then F. Haliwood and his Confessors and Master Neale But possible it is M. Neale said hee was present at Matthew Parkers ordination by Iohn Scory These Confessors being before impressed as you are with the buzze of the ordination at the Nags-head made vp that tale and put it vpon him for their Author Perhaps Master Neale did esteeme Iohn Scory t● bee no Bishop and so was scandalized though causelesly at that action Perhaps Master Neale neuer said any such word at all To helpe to make good this matter hee saith It was after inacted in Parliament that these Parliamentary Bishops should be holden for lawfull I looked for some thing of the Nags-head Bishops and the Legend of their ordination But the lawfulnesse that the Parliament prouides for is according to the authoritie the Parliament hath ●iuill that is according to the Lawes of the Land The Parliament neuer intended to iustifie any thing as lawfull iure diuino which was not so as by the Preamble it selfe of the Statute may appeare In which it is said That diuers questions had growne vpon the making and consecrating of Arch-bishops and Bishops within this Realme whether the same were and bee duely and orderly done according to the Law or not c. And shortly to cut off F. Halywoods surmises the case was this as may bee gathered by the bodie of the Statute Whereas in the fiue and twentieth of Henry the Eight an Act was made for the electing and consecrating of Arch-bishops and Bishops within this Realme And another in the third of Edward the Sixth for the ordering and consecrating of them and all other Ecclesiasticall Ministers according to such forme as by sixe Prelates and sixe other learned men in Gods Law to bee appointed by the King should bee deuised and set forth vnder the great Seale of England Which forme in the fifth of the same Kings reigne was annexed to the Booke of Common Prayer then explained and perfected and both confirmed by the authoritie of Parliament All these Acts were 1. Mariae 1. 2. Philippi Mariae repealed together with another Statute of 35. Henr. 8. touching the stile of supreame Head to bee vsed in all Letters Patents and Commissions c. These Acts of repeale in the 1. Elizabeth were againe repealed and the Act of 25. Hen. 8. reuiued specially That of 3. Edwar. 6. onely concerning the Booke of Common Prayer

Erra XIIII perche dice c. He erres in the XIV place for that he saith that those which haue taken out of the Breuiarie the word animas were inspired by the holy Ghost I 〈…〉 Quodcunque 〈◊〉 with the word 〈◊〉 by that text which explaineth them 〈…〉 sinnes being in the soule and not in the body least any should beleeue that the Pope were Domi●●s in 〈◊〉 spiritualibus of goods of bodies and of soules and that he might loose and binde euery thing as it seemes the L. Cardi●all beleeueth And they explained them with the word 〈◊〉 by which explication a remedy is put vnto all those discords which may arise betweene the Pope and Princes 〈◊〉 tuo Whereas those which haue lat●ly taken it away out of the Breuiarie 〈◊〉 a new stirred vp occasion of discords and cont●●tions Besides that it is a thing knowne of all men that in the Bookes of the Councels of the Canons of other Doctors in a word 〈◊〉 in the very Br●maries and Missals there haue beene and are taken away those things which are in fauour of Princes of the Laitie to see if at length there might be established the opinion de illimita●a Potestate Pontificis in t●mporalibus 〈…〉 he as ●e that compar●s together the Bookes printed in the year● 30. in 50. and those at this day as well of the Councels as others ●uidently 〈◊〉 the vintage that 〈◊〉 it is that we post vindemia● haue found some few clusters for the defence of our gracious Prince This is a meanes if it goe on further to make all writings to loose their credit and to ruine the Church of God Be it spoken by the occasion that the Lord Cardinall hath giuen ●e thereof and for charities 〈◊〉 and for the desire that these writings be no more touched which be also said with all humilitie and reuerence He erres in the XV. place for that he saith ●hat in the ancient Breuiaries there was not the word animas And I haue seene Breuiaries written with 〈◊〉 abou● 200. yeares agoe and printed aboue an hundred in them is the word animas and if it were not yet ought it to be put in to take away the occasions of discord● Thus he there As for the Prayer corrected or corrupted rather if you looke the old Breuiaries yea euen that set forth by Pi●s the Fifth printed by Plantine with the Priuiledge of the Pope and his Catholike Maiest●e Anno 77. vpon the nine twentieth of Iune yee shall find it to runne thus Deus qui B. Petro Apostolo ●uo collatis clauibus r●gui coelestis animas ligandi atque solu●ndi Ponti●icium tradid●st● concede vt intercessionis eius auxilio peccator ●m nostrorum nexibus liberemur Per Dominum Now in the late correction animas is left out and wee vnderstand the reason In the end of the same booke there is ●n aduertisement to the Reader the beginning whereof I will not sticke to set downe verbatim it is this Because in this Defence I haue often said that Authors are made to recant and that out of their bookes many things are taken away sincerely said in fauour of the power of Temporall Princes to stablish by these meanes the opinion De supremâ authoritate Papae in temporalibus I haue thought good to aduise the R●ader that the quotations by mee brought are taken ad verbum out of those bookes which are incorrupt and containe the opinion of the Authors sincerely And that the more ancient the Copies bee and further from these our times so much ●he better they bee And in particular I desire that hee bee aduertised that the Cap. Nouit de iudicijs printed in Rome the yeere 1575. by Ioseph de Angelis with licence of Superiours it the text which was followed by the Author of the eight Positions and by mee which containes sincerely the opinion of Na●arrus and of the Parisians Which in the bookes printed since is changed in such manner as it is no more the same but is become the contrary to wit that of 〈◊〉 c. Tell mee good Master Wad●sworth in the ●ight of God what is fraud if this be not And thus not onely the Authors of this age any way inclining to reformation as Erasmus Rhe●anus Cassander F●rus but Vines Faber Caietane Pol. Virgil Guicciardine Petrarch Dante yea Authors of six or seuen hundred yeeres old are set to Schoole to learne the Romane language and agree with the Trent●aith ●aith For it is not the authoritie and Monarchy of the Pope alone that is sought though that bee Summa summarum whereunto all comes at last but no voyce must be heard discenting from that which he teaches Therefore it is that Bertramus Presbyter is appointed by your Spanish Index printed at Madrid to bee wholly abolished The former had catechized him to say in stead of visibiliter inuisibiliter with many other pretie explications as where he saith the Elements in the Lords Supper Secundum creaturarum substantiam quod prius fuerant ante consecrationem hoc post consistunt the explication is secundum externas species Sacramenti But the surest way was to take him cleane away and so indeed in the Bibliotheca Patrum hee is and that purp●sely as Marguerinus de la Bigne confesseth in his Preface The Ancient Fathers are perhaps free For the Councell of Trent appointed that in the writings of the ancient Catholikes nothing should bee changed sa●e where by the fraud of heretikes a manifest error is crept in But who shall bee the Iudge of that The Inquisitors and Censors themselues For my part I cannot say that I haue spent many houres in the triall of this point nor haue I had ancient Copies thereto requisite But I will intreat you to consider with mee one example or rather two or three in one Father and in the matter that I named whereby you may ghesse at the rest In Saint Cyprians Workes imprinted at Rome by P. Manutius sent for to Venice by Pius the Fourth to set forth the Fathers as himselfe saith most perfectly clensed from all spots the Epistle of Firmilianus Bishop of Caesarea beginning Accepimus per Rogatianum is wholly left out and Pamelius thinkes purposely and addes perhaps it had beene more wisdome it had beene neuer set out at all Saint Cyprian was not of that minde who translated it into Latin as the stile it selfe witnesses and Pamelius also is enforced to confesse The matter is it is to quicke and vehement against Stephanus Bishop of Rome Hee saith hee is moued with iust indignation at the manifest folly of Stephanus that boasting so much of the place of his Bishopricke and that hee hath the succession of Peter vpon whom the foundations of the Church were set brings in many other Rockes c. Hee saith hee hath stirred vp contentions and discords throughout the Churches of the whole world Bids him not deceiue himselfe he hath made himselfe a Schismaticke by separating himselfe from