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A94140 To all, paupertatis ergò nè peream famè to some. gratitudinis ergò ne peream infamiâ whether it be better to turn Presbyterian, Romane, or, to continue what I am, catholique in matter of religion? By Thomas Swadlin, D.D. Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670. 1658 (1658) Wing S6229; Thomason E935_4; ESTC R207706 7,485 15

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