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B13489 An ansvver to the ten counter demands propounded by T. Drakes, Preacher of the Word at H. and D. in the county of Essex. By Will. Euring Euring, William. 1619 (1619) STC 10567; ESTC S114521 22,154 48

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AN ANSVVER TO THE TEN COVNTER DEMANDS PROPOVNDED BY T. DRAKES Preacher of the Word at H. and D. in the County of ESSEX By Wil. Euring PROV 9.12 If thou be wise thou shalt be wise for thy selfe and if thou be a scorner thou alone shalt suffer Printed in the yeare 1619. To the Reader IT is the manner of some quarrelsome persons that being beaten by one aduersarie too strong for them they are not quiet in their mindes till they haue got another with whom they hope to deale well enough and to beate the former upon his back wrecking upon him all that anger which they haue harboured in their heart against the other but could not utter as they desired So it seemes to be with this man who having had of late as it is reported much combating with the Morris-dauncing-Papists and Athiests in his parish whereof lately hee was Minister And finding them too hard for him and that insteed of being sheep to follow him they came with open mouth like wolues both against the sheep and Shepheard he hath thought it best seeing these wolues thus comming to saue himselfe by flying to an other place leaving the pore sheepe in the same fould with the wolues to shift for themselues as they could But not resting so hee hath bethought him of an other sort of adversaries with whom he hopes more easily to deale and these are the poore Separatists against whom he hath also those Morris-dauncers and many greater then they to take his part Them he encountreth stoutly with Ten Counter-Demands as he cals them with which as with so many yron hornes he hopes so to shake the silly Separatists as not to leaue them a whole bone in their skin But why doth he call them Counter-Demands Not because he hath answered but onely seen as I heare 7 Demands of theirs some good space since propounded by thē These he should rather haue answered in my judgment if he could for the defence of his Church Communion Government Ministerie and Worshippe But it seemes he had rather aske then answer questions as what bungler cannot better strike then fence and so his meaning is to set these his Ten Counter-demands against their Seaven Demands that so they might knock heads together to see whose is hardest Since then it must be so I will first set downe those Seaven and after answer his Ten simply without all doubt yet as well as I can but plainly and distinctly as he desireth Intreating thee good Reader to beare with my vnschollership for I haue not been brought up among the Muses but Mariners and am unwillingly though particularly drawn hereunto by his importunity Quest 1 Whether the Lord Iesus Christ haue in his last will Testament given unto and set in his Church sufficient ordinary Offices with their callings workes and maintenance for the administration of his holy things and for the ordinary instruction guidance and service of his Church to the end of the world or no 2. Whether the Offices of Pastors Teachers Elders Deacons and Helpers be those offices appointed in the Testament of Christ or whether the present ecclesiasticall offices of Arch-Bishops Lord-Bishops Suffragans Deanes Priests Vicars Arch-Deacons Prebendaries Canons Gospellers Petty-Canons Epistlers Virgerers Queristers Organ-Players Parsons Curates Chancelors Commissaries Proctors Registers Appariters or Sumners Churchwardens Doctors of Divinity Questmen or Side-men Deacons or halfe Priests Chaplins or house-Priests Clarkes Sextons and the rest now had and retained in the Cathedrall and Parishionall Assemblies of the Land be those Offices appointed in Christs last will and testament or no 3 Whether the calling and entrance into the ecclesiasticall offices last before named with their administrations and maintenance now had and retained in England be the manner of calling administration and maintenance which Christ hath appoynted for the offices of his Church or no 4 Whether every true Church of Christ be not a company of people called and separated out from the world and false worship and waies thereof by the word of God and ioyned together in the fellowship of the Gospell by voluntary profession of the faith and obedience of Christ 5 Whether the sacraments being seales of the righteousnes which is by faith may be administred vnto any other but to the faithfull and their seed or in any other ministery or manner then is prescribed and appointed by Iesus Christ the Apostle and high preist of our profession And whether they be not otherwise administred in the parish assemblies of England at this day or no 6 Whether the booke of Common prayer with the feasts fasts stinted prayers holly dayes and leiturgy prescribed therein vsed in the assemblies bee the true worship of God commanded in his word or the devise and invention of man for Gods worship and service 7 Whether all people and Churches without exception be not bound in religion onely to receiue and submit vnto that Ministry worship and order which Christ as Lord and King hath given vnto and appoynted in his Church or whether any may receiue and ioyne vnto another devised by man for the worship and service of God and consequently whether they that ioyne to the present Ecclesiasticall ministry worship and order of the Cathedrall and Parishionall Assemblies can be assured by the word of God that they ioyne to the former or dayned by Christ and not to the latter devised by man for the worship and service of God AN ANSWERE TO TEN Counter-Demands Propounded by T. DRAKES Preacher of the Word at H. and D. in the County of ESSEX REverend sir you haue given vs heer a Counter blow and as it is reported you yet thinke to giue vs if not a greater yet another Blow but you earnestly desired to haue these your Ten Counterblowes directly and distinctly ansvvered vvhich I vvill labour to do God assisting mee Demand 1. Your first Demande is Whether our seperation from your Church or Church-assembles of England can in any probability be pleasing vnto God seeing it hath had say you such vnhappy beginnings and so many dismall and fatall events the first founder of it comming to Iudas his shamefull and fearfull end hanging him selfe and the second you say totally recanting and comming againe to you as divers of our proselites doe daily c. Answere This is the sume or ground of your first Demande other vvords there are here and there dropt from your pen vvhich giue no strength at all to your demand therefore I passe them by and ansvver yea Though this be true that you haue saide yet may our separation from your Church or parish-assēblies of England be pleasing vnto God and for proof hereof consider vvhat follovveth This your demand is like as if a Cananite or Philistim should thus haue demaunded of the Israelites Whether is it like that the wars you hould against vs can in any probability be pleasing unto God seeing that they haue had such vnhappy successe vvith so many dismal fatall events