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A04429 The opinion, judgement, and determination of two reverend, learned, and conformable divines of the Church of England, concerning bowing at the name, or naming of Jesus. The one somtime a member of the Vnivertie of Cambridge, in a letter to his Christian freind: the other sometime a member of the Vniversitie of Oxford, in a treatise to his brethren the ministers of the Church of England. Printed at Hambourgh, 1632 H. B., Bachelor of Divinity.; I. H., Bachelor of Divinity.; S. O., fl. 1630-1634.; Ofwod, Stephen, attributed name.; Burton, Henry, 1578-1648, attributed name. 1634 (1634) STC 14555; ESTC S106466 28,118 82

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professe to hould communion with them in all holy parts of Gods worship and because we do thus practise Here is one IOHN CAN have published a spitefull if not rayling booke against al● that doe complaine of the superstitions used in our Land And yet hould communion with them in holy graces o● Gods Worship For this cause he chardgeth us to be pervertours of the truth saying Dr. Ames of famous memory who utterly denies that the calling of ou● Minister doe essentially depend on th● Bishops call yet otherwayes have a lawfull calling Against this he doth parentorily affirme the Ministers in our Land by the Laws of our Land doth certainl● depend on the Bishops calling holy an● no mens else Herein he doth affirm th●● this pretence is worse then the family o● Love which are the grossest Heretick● risen in this Adge Therefore we will examine his accusation For if he be false in this then let all that feare God judge him a false accuser like his Father the Devill is And I de here call all discret men to witnes that b● the Laws of our Land the Bishop canno● send a Minister to be made in the church till the Patron do first choose him an● send him with his Letters to the Bishopp to ordaine him And it is well knowne there are sundry Congregations which have agreed with their Patrons that they choose and call their Pastor And sundry Gentlemen fearing God which are Patrons and do use to advise with the most discret in that Church about the choyse of one wherein they do take the advise of learned Devines approvin him and he is choosen by that Church before the Bishops see him and therefore Dr. Ames his sentence is true allthough Iohn CAN revile him for it and he after in the same book doth justifie this course of chusing by the Congregation to be good according to trueth Therefore his owne mouth do give sentence against himselfe to be a false accuser IF Iohn CAN would have triyed and defended his cause of Separatiō from all the Godly Ministers and Professours in the Church of England against Doctor Ames he should have answered his first and second Manuduction against M. Robinson and tryed if he cold hav don more thē M. Robinson have don for ther is his cause proved erronious it is in other books provd fals in denying the Grace of God given us in Iesus Christ. He doth know there are books have been published this 16 years which have proved sundry artikels of their faith false and erronious yet Iohn Can dare not write against till the Authours be dead It appeareth unto me Iohn Can knoweth not the right calling of a Teacher into the Church because he putts no difference betwixt Election Approbation Ordination which th● Word of God doth distinguish yet in his book he count them all one thing He writeth they practise nothing but that the Teachers of our Church have affirmed to be truth which I manifest is not so for we affirm God hath ordained Schooles to educate and fitt men to be teachers in his Church and such are necessary instruments to increase heavenly graces This we hold is a worke of Faith for us to heare them preach which Iohn Can do condemne Act. 13. 15. We doe beleeve the communion of Saints and thus the Church have beleeved since the Apostles dayes and though Iohn Can doth confesse they were first converted by our Ministerie yet he condemneth those that doth partake in that holy worship contrary to the Counsell of the Holy Ghost in dispising Prophe●ie Thess. 5. 20. He writes himself Pastor of the auncient English Church and he doth condemne all the divines of our nation that there is not one a lawfull teacher in this age but himselfe yet it appeareth he is ignorant of the grounds of Religion Hebr. 6. 2. Whereas John Can doe command all those which do denie his grounds to sett downe their names and the place where they dwell I desire of him to shew his commission for I think he is vainly consaited and one that doth not know himselfe therefore fare unfitt to reprove those which have laboured more yeares in studie then he hath monts See his Booke Folio 60. The Publisher Post-scripe to the Reader IF any will-worship or Ceremonialist say that this bowing and ducking at the name or naming of Iesus is justified in Mr. Widdowes his Answer to Mr. Prin I reply first let us observe what a brand of an evill conscience he have which do defend this Superstition It is certainely knowne that Mr. Widdowes is knowne and detected to be but a drunken Divine a kind of mad-fellow and pot-companion and though ●e useth often as is credibly or reported to sweare by the sacred name of Iesus yet his answer for bowing at it was nothing but a Sottishe mad rayling Pamphlet replied unto and utterly confuted by Mr. Prin and he putt to a limping silence and a non plus But some of you Advocates for Baal will happily say that Mr Page forsooth hath hard and killed the Cow in justifying Widdowes and defending of bowing and cringing at the name or naming of Iesus which his pretended gravitie seeming grave stile and colloguing Dedication to his deere Mother the Vniversitie of Oxford But whosoever readeth his book with a single and impartiall eye must ●eeds say that it is likewise farced fuli of idle impertinencies sophistications and not free from absurdities falsities and blasphemous comparisons and revilings towards the person and junioritie of M. Prion though upon my certaine knowledge the learned Laick being betwixt 30 40 yeares old is of sufficient age ambilitie to encounter with any Iesuites Priest Arminian Anti-puritane or Collegelubber in Christendom as his learned Labours doe sufficiently testifie to the World And herein I will not decline but dare and doe appeale to all that are Orthodox Learned Godly and Wise-hearted of the aforesaid famous Vniversities And that the first of these above●named Advocates babbleth and the other blattereth They are allready fully confuted by these Pair of Orthodox Divines before in the twofold Treatise Aud therefore my premised Challenge standeth good Let therefore any opposite Reader in the name and feare of Christ Iesus forbeare further scoffing rayling or giering and in stead thereof if he be able take pen in hand and see what he can say to to the Challenge Iterum vale I have thought it not impertinent but very pertinent to annex hereto the Copie of an Arminians Character which I received from a freind as followeth An Arminian or meere Mountaguist IS an Animal scarce rational whose custome is before he hath well con●'d his Catechisme to read and applaud Peter Lombard and John Duns rather than Peter Martyr and Iohn Calvin and for more moderne Polemicks he preferres Bellarmine above Chamierus His garb or fashion when he comes from the Vniversity with affectation is to weare a long Cloke