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A16691 The rasing of the foundations of Brovvnisme Wherein, against all the writings of the principall masters of that sect, those chiefe conclusions in the next page, are, (amongst sundry other matters, worthie the readers knowledge) purposely handled, and soundely prooued. Also their contrarie arguments and obiections deliberately examined, and clearly refelled by the word of God. Bredwell, Stephen. 1588 (1588) STC 3599; ESTC S106388 120,820 166

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knowledge_n of_o they_o hinder_v not_o pag._n 5._o pag._n 6._o that_o i_o do_v not_o allow_v he_o for_o ●_o worthy_a member_n pag._n 7._o the_o reason_n why_o thus_o i_o communicate_v ephes_n 4.3_o ver._n 15.16_o 1._o cor._n 1.12.13_o heb._n 10.25_o jud._n 19_o that_o there_o be_v no_o sin_n in_o this_o manner_n communicate_v pag._n 6._o pag._n 7_o how_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o i_o thus_o communicate_v how_o the_o mininister_n may_v deliver_v the_o sacrament_n to_o one_o that_o he_o know_v to_o be_v unworthy_a answer_v to_o master_n c._n pag_n 37._o in_o his_o reply_n pag._n 5._o in_o his_o reply_n pag._n 4._o the_o sacrament_n not_o disannul_v for_o the_o wicked_n sake_n gen._n 32.28_o jere._n 7.22_o 1_o cor._n 1.17_o vers_fw-la 14.16_o verse_n 21.22.28_o verse_n 1._o verse_n 2._o that_o be_v by_o the_o like_a evil_a behaviour_n verse_n 18._o verse_n 19_o pag._n 3._o of_o his_o reply_n 1._o cor._n 1.2_o the_o corinthian_a church_n more_o disorder_v in_o communicate_v than_o the_o english_a assembly_n verse_n 27.29_o jude._n 4.7.8.10_o verse_n 12._o verse_n 20.21.22.23_o 3._o john_n 9.10_o pag._n 8._o pag._n 9_o that_o particular_a member_n can_v proceed_v no_o further_o than_o admonition_n matth._n 18.18_o sect._n 6.9_o in_o the_o preface_n to_o the_o book_n of_o the_o life_n of_o christian_n whether_o a_o particular_a man_n can_v cast_v off_o a_o whole_a congregation_n the_o popish_a church_n no_o church_n of_o god_n 2_o king_n 17._o jer._n 3.3_o pag._n 10.15_o that_o the_o godly_a may_v not_o depart_v the_o communion_n for_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o minister_n 1._o sam._n 2.12.15.16.17.18.19.20.21_o matth._n 23.2.3_o john·_n 10.4.5_o answer_v to_o m._n c._n pag._n 66._o sam._n 2.17_o cap._n 2.24_o 2._o sam._n 12.14_o isai_n 52.5_o ezech._n 36.20_o rom._n 2.24_o 1._o sam._n 1.1.2.3_o prou._n 14.1_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o those_o scripture_n which_o common_o the_o brownist_n cite_v to_o prove_v their_o separation_n from_o the_o communion_n a_o dicto_fw-la secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la ad_fw-la simple_a pag._n 12.13_o 2._o tim_n 3.1.2.3.4.5_o ver._n 10._o 1._o cor._n 5.9.10.11.12_o title_n against_o par_fw-fr pray_fw-mi and_o hire_v lecture_n answ_n to_o m._n c._n pag_n 13._o ver._n 9_o br._n great_a place_n in_o the_o epist_n to_o the_o cor._n discuss_v ver._n 10._o ver._n 12._o act._n 13.10.11_o 1._o pet._n 2.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20.21.22.23.24.25_o chap._n 3.1.2.3_o ad_fw-la 7._o matth._n 5.31.32_o mark_n 10.6.7.8_o ephes_n 5.22_o etc._n etc._n col_fw-fr 3.18_o etc._n etc._n eph._n 6._o 1.2_o etc._n etc._n tit._n 2.4.5_o 1._o cor_fw-la 7.21_o 2._o thes_n 3.14.15_o ethes_n 5.6.7.11_o ephes_n 4.1.2.3_o etc._n etc._n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o 16._o heb._n 10.25_o jud._n 19_o also_o pag._n 3._o pag._n 13._o orderly_o communicate_v be_v not_o of_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o sacrament_n mat._n 26.26.27.28_o see_v the_o 6._o section_n eph._n 1.22.23_o 1._o cor._n