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A85141	The Holy Scriptures from scandals are cleared. Or An answer to a book set forth by the baptizers; to wit, Henry Hagger and Thomas Pollard, entituled, The Holy Scriptures clearing it self of scandals: but is scandalled or perverted, and so scandalized by them, as in this answer to theirs will further appear, so by them entituled, or bearing the title of an Answer to a book written by Richard Farnsworth, called, Truth cleared, or Truth lifting up its head above scandals: occasioned by a dispute at Harliston in Staffordshire, between Richard Farnsworth and Thomas Pallard, in the year, 1654. Also here is in this, the heads of an order, or late act made at Coventry, by the baptized people there, ... And something here is, in answer to a false prophet, called John Griffith, set out by him and several others, in a false prophesie or book, bearing the title of True Gospel faith, collected into 30 articles: or in the middle part called, A voice from the Word of the Lord, ... / Written by a servant of the Lord, in the sixth moneth, 1655. by R.F.	R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666.	1655 (1655)	Wing F487; Thomason E855_1; ESTC R202126	43,362	61

made thy self manifest and being guided by a lying spirit thou art to be denyed but thou says now is the hour of temptation for if these be not wicked errors I know not what is Yes thy many lies which before with the rest that are set down are so and the Scriptures which thou so much talks of hath not kept thee for falling into them but thou would put it off and say they are those which are laid down to their view which Farnsworth did stand by to vindicate if his own testimony may stand Here again I charge thee to be a lyar and a false accuser and that they was not so testified by Farnsworth as thou hast set them down thinking thereby to strengthen thy deceit neither canst thou prove them to be so in his testimony or book which thou hast written thine in answer unto and there thou art proved the Lyar in that as well as the rest and therefore thou art left with them charged upon thee and there they are to remain clear thy self if thou can for this book doth not clear thee but lets thy filthiness more appear neither doth it at all weaken the book thou pretendest it against but it stands yet for the truth against thy deceit as this doth stand to witness against thy lies which in thine thou hast scraped together or heaped up to manifest that thou art not builded upon the rock and therefore thy building cannot stand who makes lies thy refuge being set upon the sand as thy lies and confusion maketh it manifest for the tree is known by its fruits as thou art by thine Matth. 7.15 And where thou saist to the Reader that we deny the rule of Tryal to try the spirits withal that is another of thy lies For in thy 28. Lie page the 14. thou saist The rule of tryal to try the spirits withal is thrown away by them And in thy 29 Lie Thou saist it is become of none use to those men except it be for advantage take notice of thy Lies and also of thy own confusion within thy exception for that which is for a good use and right advantage is not thrown away but made use of but the tryal or Tryer spirits is not by us thrown away though thou say it is but made use of according to thy saying in thy self-confutation and it is both advantagious and profitable for us and also to try your deceits withal take notice of that and take heed how thou utterest thy folly as thou hast done And where thou saist many poor souls have been misled as to say that which men call sin doth as highly honor God as that which men call Prayers and holy performances and faith these things thou hast heard uttered by mouth and seen in print and hath as it were cast it as a slander upon upon us and doth accuse us with it where thou saist this is their principle and how doth it open a door of loosness pag. 14. Such Principles we do deny and thy slander also and all that knows our Principles and practice may witness against thee in thy filthy Slanders And I charge thee in the presence of the Lord and also Haggar thy partaker to prove that ever such things were ever spoken or printed by us or else be ashamed for ever and own condemnation upon your wicked lies and gross errors who are so far misled as to act Antichrists part making lies your refuge seeking thereby to hold up your deceir And to thy fourth That thou says Farnsworth affirmed that Christ had not a visible Church in the world for thou saies they are his principles set downe in his book that the Church was in God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is in his books that he affirmeth and the Scriptures witnesseth the same 1 Thessalon 1.1 2 Thessalo 1.1 and that the Church is made of living stones elect and pretious a spirituall house for God to dwell in by the Spirit and officers and over-seers were made by the Holy-Ghost and he is not visible for the world seeth him not neither knoweth him and that is in his book and the Scriptures witnesseth the same at which thou art offended 1 Pet. 2.5.6 John 14 17. Ephes 2.20.21.22 Acts 20.28 And God is a Spirit and his Church is spirituall and they endured as seeing him who is invisible which thou appeares to be ignorant of and thou saith to manifest thy darkness and ignorance therein because Farnsworth tells of an invisible or spirituall Church he thou saies is no member nor officer in that Church because he is a visible man as much as to say Paul that eminent Apostle because he was a visible man as to the outward body his visible or bodily absence did exclude his invisible or spirituall presence from the Church and that is contrary to the Scriptures and Crosseth his experience and spirituall doctrine also who him-self said that tho he was absent in body yet he was present in Spirit beholding their order Col. 2.5 then it was a spirituall order and rule or government in the Church and the visible and bodily absence of Paul did not exclude his invisible or spiritual presence but that thou art blind in the things of God the Spirit of God as the Serpents seed ever was and according to that former saying of thine because Christ was visiblely ascended far beyond all Heavens Acts. 1.11 Jesus of Nazareth could not be invisibly persecuted by the contrary Spirits invisible men c. And that is cross to the Scriptures for after Christ was so visiblely ascended he spake to Saule that persecuted his seed and he said Saul Saul why persecutest thou mee he said Lord who art thou that I persecute he said I am Jesus of Nazareth and he were ascended far beyond all Heavens Acts 9.4.5 When he were invisible by a contrary Spirit in a visible man so persecured or his seed in his Saints and such as were his Church that was chosen out of the world Joh. 15.18.19 which Church thou hast shewed thy ignorance of and thy blindnesse in That Farnsworth should say or affirme that all ordinances ceased when Christ ascended and gave the Spirit was never so spoken by him neither canst thou find such a saying in that book which thou pretends to write thine in answer unto therefore thy ground or fifth head being false so is thy scraped up stuffe and turned under by which thou seeks to make a cover and thou art also left charged with that thy 30 Lie And where thou hast gathered many Scriptures in thy book about the Spirits teaching and Baptisme c thou saies when thou instanced those Scriptures before which thou hast set downe thou saies Farnsworth said that was not water Baptisme here thou hast lied againe and that is thy 31 Lie saying thou did before mention those Scriptures when thou did not then mention them and thou saies many can witness it but then it must be against thee and

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES From Scandals are cleared OR An Answer to a Book set forth by the Baptizers to wit Henry Hagger and Thomas Pollard Entituled The Holy Scriptures clearing it self of Scandals But is scandalled or perverted and so scandalized by them as in this Answer to theirs will further appear so by them Entituled or bearing the Title of an Answer to a Book written by Richard Farnsworth called Truth cleared or Truth lifting up its head above Scandals occasioned by a dispute at Harliston in Staffordshire between Richard Farnsworth and Thomas Pallard in the year 1654. Also here is in this the heads of an Order or late Act made at Coventry by the Baptized People there subscribed with the names of seven Elders and Brethren as they say in the behalf of the rest and set forth from them sent to Shittington in Warwickshire shewing whom they denyed to be Ministers and Members of Christ c which is set down in this and several Considerations or Observations and Answers thereunto And something here is in Answer to a false Prophet called John Griffith set out by him and several others in a false Prophesie or Book bearing the Title of True Gospel Faith collected into 30 Articles or in the middle part called A Voice from the Word of the Lord with at least an hundred lies numbred up out of the Books as aforesaid being answered such as are of concernment and they are with the other sent to them back in a bundle or number as herein will appear and being cast out now truth stands pure and clear Pror 18.18 The lot causeth contentions to cease and parteth between the mighty Written by a Servant of the Lord in the sixth Moneth 1655. by R. F. London Printed for Giles Calvert at the Sign of the Black Spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1655. To the Reader and whom it may concerne c. READER instead of an Epistle I shall lay downe a few of the particulers or affirmatives in that act or law made by the water baptized people at Coventry and sent to Shittington signed or subscribed at the end with the names of Mannasses King an Elder and Jefford Youngbone an Elder John Murdock Francis Blabby John Fairbrother George Copson and Thomas Hardway Brethren who from Coventrey say they subscribed it in the name of the rest c. And from them I shall lay downe some observations or answers thereunto The second thing which in that Coventrey law or late Act is that they say they deny any to be Ministers of Christ and the Gospel or to speak in the Church that say they speak from or by an internall light prove it not by the visible rule of the Scriptures c. And by this rule and law though God be light 1 Joh. 1.5 and dwell within in his people 2 Cor. 6.16 1. Joh. 4.4 yet he must be debarred or limitted and not suffered to speake in the Church except he confine himselfe to the letter of the Scriptures and that is contrary to his former actings for to be limitted and who are you that dare presume or offer to seeke to limit the holy one of Israel As much as to say though Abraham Isaack and Iacob were endued with the Spirit of God yet except they could prove what they said by the words of Adam Enoch and Noah they might not be permitted to speake from the Spirit of God in the things of God revailed and made knowne unto them thereby Though Moses Aaron Caleb and Joshuah might be guided by the Spirit of God yet except they could prove by words from Abraham Isaack and Iacob what from the Spirit of God they had to declare they might not speake of the things of God but be denyed to be any Ministers or Messengers of God Though Samuel and the rest of the Lords true established Prophets that were by him called and sent and could witnesse that the Lord God and his Spirit did call establish and send them yet if they said so and said they spake from an internall light or the Spirit of God within and could not prove by Scripture or the writings of Moses and those before them all that that they said they might not be suffered to speake but be denyed to be the Ministers and Messengers of God Though the Ministers of the new Covenant had the light and the heavenly treasure within them 2 Cor. 4.6.7 and were guided by the Spirit of God Rom. 8.14 who made them able Ministers of the new Covenant not of the letter but of the Spirit 2 Cor. 3.6 and they was not to serve in the oldnesse of the letter but in the newnesse of the Spirit Rom. 7.6 yet if they said they preached from an internall light or the Spirit of God within them c. and denyed to prove all they said by the Scripture or to serve in the oldnesse of the letter and not Minister from the Letter but from the Spirit in which their Ministry stood they might not by these baptized people be suffered to speake but be denyed to be any Ministers or messengers of Christ though his true Ambassadors take notice you Baptizsts of your errour herein and acknowledge the same and own your condemnation thereupon And where you say you deny any to be members of Christ that either goe themselves or suffer others to goe heare them that preach from an internall light c. Here you are against Christ the true light and against the Ministry of the Gospel and against the Kingdome of Christ in the Spirit against the new Covenant and the doctrine of the Apostles also that were Ministers from the light and the life of the Spirit within which you deny and they were Ministers of the Spirit and not of the letter and said to others try all things and hold fast that which is good 1 Thessa 5.21 Here you are against the Scriptures also that would deprive people of a Christian liberty that so binde them by your law contrary to the Gospel and contrary to the doctrine of Christ and his Apostles for the true Christ saith Preach the Gospel to every Creature but you would not have every Creature to heare it Preached by the Spirit in the power of light in the endless life that so denies them liberty to heare those that are Ministers of the new Covenant and not of the letter but of the Spirit 2 Cor. 3.6 so hereby your Spirits are discovered and made manifest to be Antichristian Againe you say you deny liberty for any to object in the Churches either in the time of speaking or after c. In this you have denyed the true Spirits order who said If any thing be reveiled and that is not by the letter but by the Spirit 1 Cor. 2.10 to him that sits or stands by let the first hold his peace and let the other speak c. 1 Cor. 14.30 But you say the contrary and therefore you have crossed the Scripture and denyed the

moving cause of faith and salvation and thou hast contradicted the Scriptures and preferred them before Christ and without them thou would have no salvation and so would not have Christ to be a perfect Saviour without them nor to be perfectly able to save to the uttermost all those that come unto God by him though he be as the Scripture witnesseth Hebr 7.27 neither is there any salvation without him Act. 4.12 and as he is the author of faith so he is the author of eternall salvation to all that obey him Hebr. 5.8.9 And thou saies to destroy the ordinances of preaching the Scriptures for that is thy drift by which faith comes must needs tend to destroy faith thou saies and then please God who can That is thy saying but thy designe instead of these men is weighed that goes about to give the Scripture all the preheminence and set it up as God and Christ and no salvation without it but thou art contradicted by it who saith also that the Scripture brings to Christ then it must needs be the ground and cause of faith and salvation if so but thou hast therein erred and lied of Christ and the Scriptures in that thy 37th lie for Christ and the Scriptures will both contradict thee in thy lies and errours for Christ brings to understand the Scriptures Luke 14.32 and saith without mee ye can do nothing then he is the ground of faith and knowing God who giveth an understanding to know him that is true c. as the Scripture witnesseth 1 Joh. .20 and the Spirit revealeth even the deep things of God but thou saies if they can once bring a poore soul into this condition to disowne the Scriptures when he stands most in need of it to bring him to Christ and shew him how he ought to walk so as to please God c Here thou hast confirmed thy former saying and strengthened thy deceipt with thy lies and set the letter of the Scripture in the roome of the Spirit for the Spirit doth guide into all truth Joh. 14.16 Joh. 16.13 and shew things to come and so how to walke to please God for they that are guided by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God Rom. 8.14 c. and walke in the Spirit whereby they please God Rom. 8.1 for God hath sent the Spirit of his Son into the hearts of his Children Gal. 4.6 to teach and guide them 1 Joh. 3.1 Rom. 8 and shew them how to walk to please him Gal. 5.22.23.24 c which Spirit of God and his teachings thou hast shewed thy ignorance in and of now as well as before that said the letter which thou calledst the written word and the Spirit were inseparable and said the scripture were a History and that book which thy lies hath not weakened stands still with this to witnesse against thee and thy deceipt and such as thou art the 37. Error or Lie The Scripture thou saies is a perfect rule to walke by that confirmes thy other lies also page 22. Here thou contradicts the promise and doctrine of Christ Joh. 14.15.16,17 who promised and gave his Spirit to be a perfect rule to walk by and guide into all truth Joh 16,13 Gal. 4.6 Rom. 8. and here thou hast manifested another errour or thy 37 lie Againe thou saies the Scriptures is the guide into the way of truth and peace so hath put the letter to guide instead of the Spirit which Spirit Christ calls a guide to guide into all truth John 16.13 and so into the way of truth peace Joh. 14.20.26 here thou hast lied of Christ the Spirit which is the true guide hath set the letter of the Scriptures to guide into the way of truth peace but they have not guided thee out of errour lying and deceipt nor into the way of truth peace that art charged here with thy 37. or 38 lies besides what followeth after therefore thy Spirit is tried knowne to be the Spirit of errour who hath made lies thy refuge which thou art found in so out of the way of truth peace And where thou saies thou hast given them his principles thou might have said thou hast laid them downe thy own errours to wit the lies slanders which I have left charged upon thee in severall particulers And where thou seemes to be offended because I said that thou came on purpose to the meeting at Harleston to cavill that thou did as thy fruits and lies made thee manifest and many may witnesse the same Secondly thou saies I say thou told of a visible Church in the world that is not denied but witnessed unto as it stands in my book Thirdly thou saies I say in my book that thou said the letter c the Spirit was inseparable And that the officers overseers in that Church which Christ had purchased with his blood were made by the holy Ghost I do not deny but witnesse unto Act. 20.28 thy shuffles doth not prove what thou would compasse by thy reason to have a temporall or carnal Church temporal or carnall officers therein for that which is seen is temporal but that which is not seene is eternal they looked not carnally at things which were visible and seene as thou dost as they do witnesse 2 Cor. 4.17 18. who said For our light affliction which is but for a moment worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternall weight of glory while we look not at the things which are visible or seene but at the things which are invisible and not seene and 2 Cor. 4.17 and 18 for we walke by faith and not by outward and visible sight in the things of the Spirit of God c 1 Cor. 5.7 which are spiritually enjoyed and the holy Ghost who is invisible dwelleth within Joh. 14.17 and is invisible where the world seeth him not to guide into all truth such as obey and follow the same and though Paul and the rest as to the outward were visible men yet their knowledge were not after the flesh as thine is neither did they looke carnally at the things of God as thou dost who argues so carnally for they knew no man after the flesh 2 Cor. 5.16.17 and as their knowledge stood in the Spirit and spirituall things about the worship of God Joh. 4.23 Phi. 3.3 in the Spirit so their offices were in the Spirit overseers made by the holy Ghost and they preached by the Spirit Act. 2.4 and 2 Cor. 3.6 and prayed with the Spirit 1 Cor. 14.15 and went forth to preach by the Spirit in the power of the holy Ghost Acts 1.8 Act. 2.4 Act. 6.10 Acts 7.54.55 Acts 6.3 and Act. 13.4 Gal. 1.11.12 and 15 16 and the Spirit had the rule and government in the Church and the spirituall man but not the natural because the things of the Spirit of God are were spiritually discerned reveiled 1 Cor. 2.10 and where thou

obeyed leadeth out of darknesse errour and deceipt into the light of life Ioh. 8.12 Ioh. 16.13 and so into the truth of the Gospel spoken of in thy last Querie and that slander of the undervaluing of the words of Christ shall stand for thy selfe c that speaks against and undervalued the inward spirituall and true light which leadeth into true happiness happinesse such as follow and obey it and so it leadeth out of darknesse errour and deceipt into the light of life though thou lier say it do not therein thy testimony is false and not true and thou art found to be a false witnesse of the light and the truth and thy testimony is denied and against testified as is required Eph. 5.11 And thou that would have the words as they are printed in the Bible there to be Spirit and life as in thy last Querie But thou shews by that that thou art ignorant of the eternall word and so of the word of life and knows not the true spirituall life that would put the letter for the life And where thou saies how can ye know that the dead shall rise and come to Judgment but by the Scriptures page 54. I answer even as they knew the things declared of in the Scriptures by that Spirit of God that revealeth the deepe things of God 1 Cor. 2.10 and also sheweth things to come as the Scripture witnesseth Joh. 16.13 That the dead shall rise and come to Judgment is one of the deepe things of God And also a thing to come But the Spirit of God revealeth and searcheth or maketh knowne the deepe things of God without the letter as the letter witnesseth which Spirit also sheweth things to come as the Scripture declareth Therefore the Spirit of God so revealing and making knowne even the deepe things of God could make knowne the day of judgment and things to come as the Scripture witnesseth but the blind like thee sees it not who stumbles at the light and knows not the eternall word not yet the worke of the Spirit of God as thy booke of slander maketh manifest Where did any true Prophet or Apostle of the Lord Jesus goe either to prophecy or preach with a printed Bible in their hand and from that say Thus saith the Lord c. And if printing had not of late beene invented what would you have preached here in England who knows not within you the eternall life and word of God Therefore they being out of the truth and false accusers they must needs be also cut of Gospel-order And in that thou hast told another lie and Thomas Pollard when thou had accused Richard Farnsworth falsly at the meeting at Harliston Hugh Read said unto thee why would thou stand charging things upon him which thou could not prove and Humphyry Beeland who had beene a teacher to the Baptised people he said to thee Thomas Pollard Instance any one particuler and prove against him which thou taxeth him withall c but thou then made no answer as to prove any one thing which thou had falsly charged upon him and accused him withall and therefore art a false accuser of him and the truth and thy lies heads of deceit and false accusations are witnessed against by some that were present at the meeting at Harliston that time by name Hugh Reed Anthony Briklay Humphey Beeland and John Smith If there want any of thy number of lies it is but for want of setting them downe for I have as many numbered up in writing out of Iohn Griffiths and thine as amounts to the number of one hundred fifty and four lies c. Which fruits may cause you to blush if you consider thereof and serve to be a shame to your profession that are attended with such a company of lies cover your faces with shame and learne to amend bring forth better fruits even such as are meete for amendment of life and make not lies your refuge as you have done for it maketh you manifest that you are not yet come into Johns doctrine and so instead of fulfilling all righteousnesse you are adding one lie to another and sin unto sin being fulfilling deceipt or filled with all unrighteousnesse c Rom. 1.28.29 THE END