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arm_n for_o such_o be_v the_o guard_n of_o a_o priest_n otherway_n i_o neither_o ought_v nor_o may_v resist_v resistere_fw-la and_o in_o the_o second_o book_n of_o his_o epistle_n and_o 14_o epistle_n to_o his_o sister_n marcellina_n speak_v of_o that_o same_o purpose_n he_o say_v debâ—â—_n i_o shall_v not_o fortify_v myself_o with_o a_o multitude_n of_o people_n about_o i_o we_o beseech_v o_o emperor_n we_o fight_v not_o i_o may_v not_o deliver_v the_o church_n but_o i_o ought_v not_o make_v resistance_n 14._o such_o also_o be_v the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o many_o other_o great_a light_n which_o shine_v in_o the_o day_n of_o julian_n the_o apostate_n and_o in_o the_o day_n of_o the_o arrian_n emperor_n and_o gothicke_a arrian_n king_n 15._o s._n augustine_n write_v of_o a_o lawful_a war_n acknowledge_v that_o only_o to_o be_v lawful_a which_o have_v authority_n from_o the_o prince_n for_o it_o be_v much_o to_o be_v regard_v 75._o say_v he_o for_o what_o cause_n and_o by_o 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