20. 4. Esai 63. 18. he now wil have them answerable to the Iewes I then blamed and stil doe that men should make Gods holy courts citie and people to be figures of Antichristians of their church and worship But mine opposite to make his words seem to hang togither sayth that now J teach that the Temple of God spoken of 2 Thes. 2. 4. is Antichrists Temple church bodie c. Be it so yet of that scripture there was no controversie betwen M. S. and me and as the house of the Lord God of Jsrael in Ezr. 1. 8. is meant of his true ten ple but the house of their God in Amos 2. 8. and in Hos. 9 8. is meant of an idolatrous Temple so by the Temple of God in Rev. 11. 1. may be understood his true Temple and yet the Temple of God in 2 Thes. 2. may be understood of the Temple of Antichrist And this I sayd upon mine opposites interpretatioÌ„ which wil have the Temple in 2 Thes. 2. to mean the people or church of Rome which are in deed the Gentiles in Rev. 11. the Sodomites Babylonians Egyptians that tread down the Lords holy citie and have built a new Babel For otherweise if he did understand Antichrists sitting in the Temple of God to be his treading down of his Temple as here he treadeth down the holy Citie having ruined and burnt it and keeps it from being reedified as the Babylonians did during their reigne I would not have contended with him about it But then his applying of it to the church of Rome which the Pope hath builded honoured garnished as a most gorgeous harlot would be altogither unfit and agree no better then Babylon did with Sion But of that place 2 Thes. 2. we have spoken at large before Wheras heretofore he pleaded that Antichrist doth not wholly take away the church of God and every trueth and ordinance of the Lord and I answered Neyther did the Deviltake away every trueth and ordinance of God from among the heathens but they reteyned many rites of Gods worship received from their fathers c. First he blameth me as shifting c. for not saying the Divil took not wholly away the church of God from among the heathens I answer if by church he understand the order and constitution of the church the heathens strayed not furder from it then Antichrist hath by his counterfei catholik church and whosoever wil bring them to the trial it wil soon appeare Or if he understand by Church Gods people as he hath now his people in this Romish Babylon Rev. 18. I also say that the Divil took not away the church wholly from the heathens for God had many elect among them whom by means he called from heathenish idols to the true faith of whom there are many instances of sundry persons in the scriptures and I doubt not but there were many moe whose names are written in the book of life The dispersion of Israel among the nations might bring many heathens to the faith as we have an instance in Esth. 8. 17. To that which I sayd that the Divil did not take away wholly every truth and ordinance of God from among the heathen he answereth it is nothing to the purpose seing they are not the church and people of God under his covenant neyther doe so injoy any of them Answ. First I spake of the heathens of old whiles sacrificing was Gods ordinance as the examples that I alleaged shew He answereth of the heathens now whose state is much worse by refusing or falling from the Gospel Secondly his answer is true also of the Antichristian heathens Rev. â—1 2. if it be applied unto them for they are not Gods church and people under his covenant neyther doe they so injoy any of them but they are in the bondage and covenant of Antichrist as before is proved So my answer was to purpose his reply is but the begging of the question Object Take an instance sayth he in one of the particulars which he mentioned where he sayd that the heathens reteyn baptismes or washings among them yet when any of them leave that estate and come to the faith and church of Christ they are to be baptised into the Lords name c. but so may not be doen with those that have received baptisme in the church of Rome or any other apostate churches when they leave such estate c. Answ. First he wresteth my words spoken of the heathens of old which reteyned baptismes or washings whiles they were Gods ordinances and applieth them to their washings now when they are none of Gods ordinances I sayd the ordinances of God reteyned in other nations besides Israel as Altars sacrifices c and alleaged authors before Christs coming in the flesh he setteth down these as my words the heathens reteine c. Had I thus altered the case I should have been charged with shifting and that justly But I acknowledge not tho legal washings sacrifices altars c. of Gentiles or Iewes to be God's ordinances now as they were before Christs death That which he sayth of baptisme not to be repeated I grant and so must he have doen for circumcision among the heathens such as reteyned it for a divine ordinance as they did their sacrifices I instanced the Colchians Egyptians Ethiopians and the Samaritans which latter Mr. Iohnson acknowledged to have still used circumcision and yet were not Gods true Church But this he passed over and answereth not Now he would bring in the heathenish washings at this day which is a plaine tergiversation But of Baptisme we shall speak more hereafter Of Revel 18. 4. TO prove the church of Rome at this day Gods true church he alleadged Rev. 18. 4 Goe out of her my people c. I answered These very words are taken from Jer. 51. 45. My people goe out of the midst of her where by My people the Church of Babylon is not meant but the Israelites Gods lost sheep scattred there upon the mountaines and hills whom first the King of Ashshur had devoured and lastly Nebuchadnerar King of Babel had broken their bones having burned Jerusalem and the temple with fyre c. These Israelites figuring Gods elect are called out of Babylon which God would utterly destroy c. So from Antichrists church which is Babylon Sodom Egypt are Gods elect called out an evident proof that she is none of Gods church whatsoever she pretendeth c. His replies are questions Very well sayth he But are not those words My people the words of the covenant as J sayd Answ. They are but not of any covenant with Babylon and consequently not with the church of Rome which is Babylon at this day Rev. 17. 5. 2. And were not that people now in Babylon the church and people of God under his covenant Answ. They were Gods people and his lost sheep there but their Common wealth
A REPLY TO A PRETENDED CHRISTIAN PLEA FOR THE ANTICHISTIAN CHVRCH OF ROME published by Mr. Francis Iohnson ao. 1617. Wherin the weakness of the sayd Plea is manifested and arguments alleaged for the Church of Rome and Baptisme therein are refuted By Henry Ainsworth Anno 1618. We would have healed Babylon but she is not healed forsake her and let us goe every one into his owne countrie for her judgment reacheth unto heaven and is lifted up even to the skies Ier. 51. 9. Printed in the yere 1620. The Preface TWo things good Reader have been heretofore controverted between Mr. Iohnson and mee the one concerning the Power of the Christian church which he would have installed in the Ministerie thereof the other concerning the Antichristian church of Rome with the ministerie and baptisme thereof which he hath pleaded to be true though corrupted I have proved to be false and deceytfull These things have passed publikly through mine Opposites occasion in Mr Richard Cliftons Advertisement and my Animadversion therto The former of these two points Mr. Iohnson hath left vnanswered so the prudent may judge of the strife by that which we both have sayd the latter he hath sought to mainteyne by a colourable Plea for the Romane church cheifly underpropped by two reasons 1. because Antichrist should sit in the Temple of God 2. and because Apostate Israel the figure of this Antichristian church was the church of God as he pretendeth These with his other like reasons I have laboured to refell in this treatise folowing His order of handling them I have altered beginning with the Church of Rome then with the Baptisme of that church for so I judge the trueth of the controversie wil soonest appeare His often longsome repetitions I seek to abridge as being fruitlesse wearisome to the Readers his bold and bitter taunts I passe over being not willing to answer any man and least of all the dead to such things As also his marching us among the Anabaptists for our more disgrace his dissembling of his own former judgment and accord with us in the things now controverted imputing them to us and others when himself hath formerly spoken and written for the things which he now would pull down but hath not taken away his owne grounds Onely wheras in his preface he intimateth sundry manifest untruthes published in the Animadversion but nameth none I signifie in a good conscience that to my knowledge â— published not any one untrueth but rather spared him then pressed things in extremitie That which I suppose he aimeth at I set downe from the report of honest faithfull witnesses of whome some are now at rest in the Lord who would not as I am perswaded willingly have related any thing but the trueth Finally as in all other my labours so in these controversies following I indevour to find out manifest the way and wil of God by the light of his word to the glorie of his name and comfort of those that love the trueth in sinceritie A REPLY TO A PRETENDED Christian Plea for the Antichristian Church of Rome WEe are taught of God that they which forsake the Law praise the wicked but such as keep the Law will contend with them Wherfore though my desire hath been to leave off contention with all men to labour to build up Sion in peace yet being provoked by name my writings against the Man of syn that Son of perdition being publickly traduced I held it my dutie to mainteyne the warre which I began to wage against the Beast whom The Lord will consume with the spirit of his mouth and will abolish with the brightnes of his coming The state of this controversie is whether notwithstanding the infinite idolatries and other abominations now of a long time with strong hand practised by the church of Rome it be to be reputed the true church of Christ and the Sacraments especially Baptisme to be esteemed the true signes and seals of the covenant of grace from God to them in their present estate I deny it mine opposite hath colourably pleaded for it inveighed much against me in his last book called A Christian Plea ao. 1617. Wherin though in many things he deserved sharp blame yet having ended his life with his work and not being now to answer for himself or make use of that which is written I will omitt the just reproofs which might through Gods mercie have been a benefit unto him and will address my self to remove the stumbling blocks out of others way and to cleare the trueth which is darkned with the cloud of error The Lord which hath taken this counsel against Babylon that the least of the flock shal draw them out and that he will surely make their habitation desolate with them inable me with his grace to â—ight the good fight of â—aith and to declare in Sion the vengeance of the LORD our God the vengeance of his Temple Of the church of â—ome BEcause the true Church is that people to whom perteyneth the adoption of sonns and the glorie and the covenants the giving of the Law and the service of God and the promises it is requisite that we first haÌ„dle the state of Antichrists church so shall we the better discerne of the ministerie seales of the covenant and other ordinances of God which the man of syn abuseth whether they be true or false unto them in that their synfull abuse In my former answer I layd downe these grounds The Antichristian synagogue is by the Holy Ghost called a Beast Rev. 13. 11. which signifieth a Kingdome Dan. 7. 23. it is named also a great Citie Rev. 11. 8. which noteth the largenes of tha tpolitie kingdome It cometh up out of the earth Rev. 13. 11. as being of this world which Christs kingdome that cometh downe from heaveÌ„ Rev. 21. 2. is not and therefore is called a man of syn 2 Thes. 2. 3. and a great whore Rev. 17. 1. whose head is Abaddon or Apollyon Revel 9. 11. the Destroyer of others and himself the son of perdition 2 Thes. 2. 3. and they that follow him are the children of damnation 2 Thes. 2. 12. This wicked generation warreth against the Lamb Christ and against the Saincts Rev. 17. 14. 6. and 13. 7. blasphemeth Gods name and Tabernacle and them that dwel in heaven Rev. 13. 6. that is the true church whose conversation is heavenly Phil. 3. 20. Yet doe they all this mischief under shew of Christian religion and therefore this Beast hath hornes like the Lamb Christ Rev. 13. 11. this whore is arayed with purple scarlet guilded with gold precious stones and pearles Rev. 17. 4. as if she were the Queen and spouse of Christ Psal. 45. 9. 13. Ezek. 16. â—0 13. Song 7. 5. she hath Peace-offrings and Vowes Prov. 7. 14. as if she were devout in Gods service Psal. 66. 13. bread and waters Prov. 9. 16. 17. as ready
he wrong me as if I made the church of Rome damned and dead for ever that is as if there could be no mercie shewed to the papists for repentance and turning to the Lord. They are onely the reprobate multitude which are damned and dead for ever Many of that church yea even of the hierarchie whom my opposite holdeth to bee the Man of syn the son of perdition being dead in their sins God hath in mercie revived and raised with Christ as he did in the churches of the Gentiles Eph. 2 1â— Coloss. 2. 〈◊〉 But such as are not raised from the death of Antichrist and quickned by Christ they perish for ever And wee speake of that Church now remaining in her synfull death unto which so continuing no salvation is promised but assured destruction threatned 2. Thes. 2. Rev. 14. 9. 10. 11. Thus we see how notwithstanding all his turning and winding and backing his errour with learned mens names these Gentiles the church of Antichrist and worshipers of the Man of syn are by the sentence of God dead in sins as were the Gentiles before Christ gave them life That such of them as the Lord shall in mercie raise up out of the grave of poperie shall escape the second death the rest doe remain under Gods wrath dead in syn and shall die in torment In the end to that which I shewed of that whores death otherweise and of her burning with fire Rev. 18. 7. 8 and of the joy which the heavenly multitude shal have at her destruction Rev. 18. 20. 1â— 1. 2. 3. mine opposite seemeth to assent referring it to the Citie resembled as he sayth by Babylon and Babylons destruction that was of old Rev. 18. with Ier. 50. 51. Thus the truth hath wrung out at last an acknowledgement from him as the feare and light of his conscience made him acknowledge at the first For he began with the Church of Rome thus acknowledging it to be fallen into most sinful and deep defection and apostasie and so to be a notorious harlot and idolatres This notorious harlot the holy Ghost calleth Babylon the great the mother of horlots and abominations of the earth Rev. 17. 5. which is meant of the Citie Rome v. 18. but of an ecclesiastical state such as is in that citie at this day And that Babylon or church it is whole destruction is threatned in Rev. 18. and for which there shall bee ioy and singing Alleluiah for that God hath judged the great whâ—re which did corrupt the earth with her fornication and shed the bloud of his servants Rev. 1â— 1. 2. 3. c. For the destruction of this great whore which in deed is no other then the Church of Rome mine opposite sayth with me they shal be so farr from mourning at her funeral as they shal rejoyce with the heavenly multitude and sing Hallelujah when the Lord hath given Sodoms judgement on her and they see her smoke rise up for evermore Rev. 19. 1. 2. 3. Of his own mouth now let him be judged with what truth equity conscience he hath pleaded for the church of Rome to bee the Temple of God the church of God in his covenant of grace and to have his baptisme the seale of his covenant even in that adulterous and most sinfull estate wherin she standeth at this day under her Pastor Antichrist whom she honoureth and worshipeth beleeving his lies serving his idols and trusting to merit heaven by the wicked works which that Man of syn hath taught her But that God for a reward of his popish errour in advancing the Ministers above the church and the pastor above his fellow ministers gave him over to this second errour who would have thought that a man of understanding would so bitterly have inveighted against me for denying her to be Christs true Church and that he would for defense of such a notorius harlot have forsaken and written against his own former good testimony which hee witnessed against her Gods counsels are unsearchable and let all that feare him heare what the Spirit sayth unto us Hearken unto me now therefore ôye children and attend to the words of my mouth Let not thine heart decline to her wayes goe not astray in her paths For shee hath east downe many wounded yea many strong men have been slain by her Her house is the way to hell going down to the chambers of death Prov. 7. 24 27. Of other Writers TO his citations of Polanus Keckerman c. I answered That diverse men were mistaken in judging of that rotten Church of Rome which would help these our opposites nothing who have seen and acknowledged better and now goe back And I instanced sundry others contrary minded as Mr. Carwright Mr. Perkins D. Fulk D. Willet Mr. Bale all our country men who deny the church of Rome to be the true Church of Christ. Mine opposite replieth that I say in particular of Polanus that he was mistaken and in this for that he sayd that Antichrist must sit in the Temple of God not Jewish or at Jerusalem but Christian c. wherein as his manner is he drepraveth both my words and meaning For I never dreamt that Antichrist should sit in the Iewish Temple at Ierusalem but in the Christian Church falsly so called as Mr. Iunius nameth it in Annot. on Rev. 11. But Polanus pleadeth otherwise for the church of Rome as mine opposite hath set down his words Chr. plea. p. 212. And in that I iudge he was mistaken and not I onely but many moe with me men of greater learning and before me though mine opposite leaveth it with this reproch That all in my judgement are mistaken hereabout but my selfe and my followers And presently after to that which I alleaged from Mr. Cartwright Perkins c. he wisheth they had written more advisedly and more soundly And why even for his former often refuted reasons of the Temple of God and Baptisme in that church wherein he doth but beg the question and answereth not them For I named to him Mr. Perkins reasons that the Papists doctrine doth rase the very foundation of Religion and his 4. arguments in a treatise for that purpose Now to these he answereth not one word But the Temple of God the Temple of God and Antichrist must sit in the Temple of God and Martyres out of the Church of Rome and where else had they their baptisme these are his common bucklers To which I have answered before And now that the Reader may further see how not I onely but many before me even such as he nameth in his book for him as D. Whitakers Mr. Broughton Mr. Brightman and others are direct against him I will set down their testimonies What Mr. Bale Mr. Cartwright D. Fulk M. Perkins and D. Willet have written I have shewed heretofore and them hee regardeth not Whereas Bellarmine would conclude from the protestants graunt that the church of Rome
Antichrist given us to his son Christ and hath so sanctified to us that baptising with water in his name which they idolatrously and synfully abused as wee need no other outward washing but to be baptised by his spirit as his dealing with such as had been circumcised in Israel after they were become a false church and were divorced from him and returned againe unto him doth assure us 2. Chron. 30. ch Ezr. 6. 21. His reason may also as probably bee framed thus The Lords Supper or Masse in the Church of Rome is from heaven not of men Math. 26. Luk. 22. and is derived unto us from the Apostles of Christ through the loynes of that Church which have from that time reteyned and continued it to this day Therefore it is not an idoll or lying signe howsoever all protestants with one mouth call it justly an idoll an horrible idoll an abomination and the like The Mininistery of the church of Rome is from heaven and not of men Rom. 12. and is derived to us from the Apostles through the loynes of that church which have from that time continued it to this day Therefore it is not the Man of Syn the Beast the Antichrist as all protestants say and as Mr. Iohnson himselfe hath pleaded in his last book but the true ministery and ordinance of the Lord. The like may be sayd for their Excommunications and all other divine ordinances which that church hath synfully profaned Yea the very same plea might all the heathens have made for their sactifices and divine ordinances which from Noe and his sonns through the loynes of their parents were derived unto them as before I have manifested Whereas I described the abominable manner of baptising in the Church of Rome how heathen-like they profane Christs ordinance mine opposite not being able to justifie their impiety yet pleadeth his best thus But will it therefore follow that the baptisme there had is not Gods ordinance but an idoll a false and lying signe c. Answ. It followeth that they in their Antichristian estate and abuse have changed Gods ordinance into an idoll and lying signe as the Gentiles of old changed the truth of God into a lye Rom. 1. 25. And have added also many lyes and lying signes of their own devising as bad as did the heathens Or will it follow because of their errours and corruptions that the baptisme there had is to be renounced and an other new one to be received Answ. Their lyes and lying signes and changing of the truth into a lye are all to bee renounced but the ordinance of God which he hath restored to the former truth unto those that repent and beleeve in him is not to be renounced and a new received and such is the outward washing with water in his name 2 Chron. 30. Ezr. 6. 21. Is every thing abused or misapplyed by men straight way an idoll Answ. Every thing so abused as they doe baptisme and the Lords Supper is straight way an idoll for divine honour is given to the creature and work of a wicked mans hand Exod. 20. Yea let him be a witnes against himselfe for afterward in pag. 246. hee sayth touching book-prayer that it is an image and similitude of spirituall prayer which yet it is not And so these bookes and stinted prayers prescribed by man in the worship of God come in deed to bee idols supplying the place of the word and spirit of God which ought not to be Here the abuse of the book by his owne grant maketh it in deed an idoll for the book may lawfully be used and read of men for instruction as wel as written Sermons Homilies c. Doe they that are baptised bow downe to it and worship it Answ. Did the infants that were offred to Molech Levit. 20. â— bow down and worship it Or they that made their belly their God Phil. 3. 19. did they bow down to their belly and worship it Or doe they that make the book an idol as himselfe sayth bow down and worship the book How strangely doth hee plead as if idols cannot be set up in and worshipped with the heart But they bow down worship the bread in the Supper will he grant that to be an idoll Jf that were doen unto it sayth hee as was unto the Sun among the Jewes why might it not be stil notwithstanding Gods ordinance in it selfe as the Sun was the true Sun and Gods creature even unto them and in that their estate whiles they made it an idol to themselves Answ. O fraud and guile in pleading for idolaters Every creature of God is good every ordinance of God is holy in it selfe who doubteth of it If this distinction helpeth the popish sacraments it helpeth the heathens idols of silver and gold which are Gods good creatures in themselves But it is a mere fallacie to reason as he doth from the Sun to Baptisme from a creature which is an absolute substance to a sacrament which is a relation of the covenant between God and men No idolatry unbeleef or other wickednes can hinder the Sun from being Gods creature unto men in that their synfull estate If it bee likeweise in the sacrament then no idolatry unbeleef or other wickednes can hinder baptisme and the Lords supper from being true signes and seales of Gods covenant of grace and forgivenesse of synns unto Turks or Pagans in their synfull estate if they baptise with water in the name of the Lord and eat the bread and wine in the Supper of our Lord. But he should have knowen that common received rule of all truly religious that Nothing is in deed a sacrament without the use ordeyned of God as we are taught of the Apostle This is not to eat the Lords Supper 1. Cor. 11. 20. The water that flowed out of the rock was the same creature of God to men that drunk of it and to the beasts that drunk of it Numb 20. 11. but it was a sacrament to men onely using it for a confirmation of their faith by a divine institution 1. Cor. 10. 4. Further by his reason it is undenyable that the Pope himselfe whom he acknowledgeth to be Antichrist and all that partake with him in his Masse notwithstanding all their idolatry and heresie thereabout doe eat the true sacrament signe and seale of the forgivenesse of their synns And why then should hee deny the Pope to bee as good a Christian as himselfe seing all they are blessed whose synns are forgiven them Rom. 4. 6. 7. Let it be observed that they baptise onely in the name of the Lord and with acknowledgement of the Articles of the Christian saith as in their form of baptisme may be seen Answ. And let it also bee observed that they sacrifice their Masse or celebrate their idolatrous supper onely in the name of the Lord and with acknowledgement of the same Articles of Christian faith even by the Pope himselfe Why then hath
hee pleaded against the Pope and his Hierarchy that they they onely are the Man of syn the son of perdition the Beast the Antichrist and why wondred he so at me when I called for proofe that Christ was maried to that Beast seeing he hath the same baptisme the same Lords Supper the same beleef touching the Articles of faith that the people of his church have But their counterfeit profession of Christ is before discovered And they that baptize which are the Hierarchy he confesseth to be the Man of syn the Antichrist they are none of the church as we have heard but ulcers gangrenes c. what now have such to doe with the name of the Lord or administration of the seales of his covenant And compare with this that which himself sayth in the 3. page of his book that the action of baptisme is wholly enjoyned and layd upon the baptiser and not upon the baptised If this be so where hath God layd the action of baptizing upon Antichrist the Man of syn and if God hath not layd it upon him how can hee truely doe it in Gods name How will they prove sayth he that it is a lying signe unto them in their estate seeing baptisme as the other sacraments in Israel and under the Gospel hath this in it to be a signe by the ordinance of God not at the pleasure of man And God is the God of truth and appoynteth no lying signes but true Neither can mans iniquity make Gods signes to be lying signes Synful therfore and erroneous it is so to think if not also blasphemous so to speak Answ. And was it synfull and erroneous thinketh he in Paul when he sayd They changed the truth of God into a lye Rom. 1. 25. For if mans iniquity cannot change Gods signes into lying signes how should it change the truth of God into a lye And how could Ieremie have proved unto the Iewes if mine opposite had then lived to plead for them that those were lying words when they sayd The Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord c. Ier. 7. 4. for had they not in deed the Temple of the Lord his true ordinance and signe whereof they spake The word of God is truth Ioh. 17. 17. How then should mans iniquity make Gods truth to be a lye unto themselues though they pervert the word unto all manner false-doctrine errour and heresie Idols are lies Esa. 44. 20. Ier. 16. 19. 20. How can the Pope make an idoll of the bread in the sacrament though he fall downe and worship it and beleeve it is his maker seeing as it is bread it is a true thing and Gods good creature as it is sacramentall bread it is a true signe by the ordinance of God who appoynteth no lying signes Is it not blasphemous now and would he not rend his clothes as did Caiaphas if he should heare one call the Popes sacrament of the altar an idol or a lying signe unto him in that estate But to conclude The sacraments are in deed signes by the ordinance of God not at mans will Gods ordinance maketh them signes of grace to the faithful receivers onely 1. Cor. 11. 20. 29. Rom. 2. 25 Act. 8. 36. 37. If infidels and Antichrists falsly challenge and usurp Gods signes and abuse them to open idolatry and their own perdition they change the truth of Gods ordinance into a lye unto themselves and whiles they vainly think to have forgivenesse of synns by them they add syn unto syn and receive their own damnation Whereas I had set downe two reasons to prove the Popish baptisme false and a lying signe unto them mine opposite passeth them over as too heavy for him and cometh to set downe differences between Gods ordinances and mens corruptions Gods signes and mens errours Mariage meates and drinks and the abuses of these the scriptures and the errors gathered from them the Sun Moon and Starrs as they are creatures and as they are made idols and worshiped of men c. Wherein he laboureth to prove the thing which we hold and doth most injuriously intimate against us as if we thought the contrary Should we be so wicked as to imagine the ordinances of God or his creatures to be evill in themselves Farr be it from us Nay we say that the papists for abusing the sacraments and turning them to lyes and idols shall have the greater judgement not for abusing bread and wine and water as they are creatures onely but for abusing them as they are sacramentall signes ordeyned of Christ which maketh their profanation more horrible their damnation more just But this is a practise of many that plead for errour to leave the arguments which doe convince them and to propone new questions and reasons of their owne that they may seeme to say something by multitude of words So when I shewed the example of the idolatrous Israelites that repenting and forsaking their false Synagogues lying signes in them usurped they needed not a new outward cutting or circumcising as is shewed at large in our former writings Discovery p. 116. 120. Apolog. p. 110. 113. He passeth over the reasons manifested in those books as if he had never seen them when as the one was most of it penned by himself And now he pleadeth Wheras they say that circumcision was also a lying signe and false sacrament to Jsrael in their defection how doe they prove it where doth the Scripture teach it will they have us take it on their bare word and beleeve that their saying are Oracles c. Answ. He might have seen reasons in the books before cited besides those that I have set down But thus in seeking to wound us he hath smitten through his own sides as if himselfe when he wrote those things in our Apologie would have had men beleeve his bare word and that his sayings were Oracles Whereas if ever hee wrote soundly in his life he did it in that Apologie as all men of good judgement may perceive Further now to answer him I say that I spake of their lying signes which implyed their Passover and sacrifices as well as their circumcision And those being so profaned as for them they were by Gods Law to bee cut off as murderers Levit. 17. as sacrificers to Divils not to God Deut. 32. 17. 2. Chron. 11. 15. 15. 3. were they then true signes unto them of Gods grace and fauour and forgivenesse of their synns in Christ The Scripture teacheth they could not be partakers of the Lords table and of the table of Divils 1. Cor. 10 21. In particular for their circumcision I proved it thus True circumcision was the seale of the righteousness of saith Rom. 4. 11. Jsrael in their apostasie were fallen from the faith Hos. 11. 12. they were without the true God without Priest to teach without Law 2. Chron. 15. 3. and how then could they have the true circumcision the seale of
to refresh the wearie soules Her doctrines sweet and amiable lyes spoken in hypocrisie Prov. 5. 3. 1 Tim. 4. 2. but yet confirmed with signes and miracles as if they came from heaven 2 Thes. 2. 9. Rev. 13. 13. 14. her power efficacie great prevailing over the many and the mightie the Kings and Princes of the world deceiving all nations with her inchantments Prov. 7. 21. 26. Rev. 17. 2 18. 23. and if it were possible Gods very elect Math. 24. 24. Her continuance and outward prosperitie is long Rev. 13. 5. 18. 7. 20. 2. 4. her end miserable Rev. 18. 19. 21. 19. 20. 21. consumed with the spirit of the Lords mouth and abolished with the brightnes of his coming 2 Thes. 2. 8. And for her destruction the heavens shall rejoyce and sing praises to God Rev. 18. 20. 19. 1. 2. The accomplishment of these prophesies I there shewed to be in the Church of Rome at this day confirmed by her own canons and doctors that set forth her profession and practise These grounds remayne yet unanswered by mine opposite being such as I assure my self neither could he neither can any soundly refute Now let us see how farr he yeildeth and how he opposeth First he prayeth all to take knowledge that his minde and desire in himselfe is to plead against the present estate of that church and not for it acknowledging it to be fallen into most synful and deep defection and apostasie and so to be a notorious harlot and idolatress which all the people of God ought to forsake and to witnes the trueth there against even vnto death How well this his acknowledgement agreeth with his plea in the residue of his book shall appeare in the discussing of the reasons after folowing But what sayth he to the description of Antichrists church which I before shewed from the scriptures He sayth I speak of the church and Synagogue of Antichrist of the Beast of the great Citie of the man of Syn of the great whore of Abaddon or Apollyon the son of perdition c. wheras I should treat of the Temple of God wherof Paul speaketh 2 Thes. 2. Hereupon he chargeth me to keep what I could from the point of the question in hand and therefore also to confound things that differ I answer that the the question was by this mine opposites former graunt about the church of Rome whether it were the church of God or no. Now when at first I shew from the scriptures what maner of Church that Romane church is in Gods account how could he charge me to keep from the point of the question 2ly the place of th'Apostle being alleaged by mine opposite for a proof that the church wherein Antichrist sitteth is the Church of God I come immediately after to scan that scripture and yet he challengeth me for keeping from the point wheras all men of judgement may see it was needful to know what God foretold of that church throughout the scriptures that so we might understand in what sense Antichrist is sayd to sit in the Temple of God 2 Thes. 2. For seing the Temple of God is a figurative phrase taken from the shadowes of the Law it is not wisedome in us to expound a parabolical speech contrary to the plaine scriptures grounds of Christian religion but we must understand it according to them Wherefore there being no other answer made to the description aforesayd it standeth in force to prove that the church of Rome is not the true Church of Christ. So for the accomplishment of the prophesies wheras I shewed from the Papists own writings of their church how fitly it agreeth with Antichrists synagogue foretold of by God mine opposite answereth I tell them of a Church such as Bellarmine and others describe one part wherof lives on earth an other under the earth and a third part in heaven c. Wheras our question is of the Temple of God wherof Paul speaketh 2. Thes. 2. 4. and of the court and holy citie wherof Iohn speaketh Rev. 11. 2. Thus neyther the Prophesies of God nor the complement of them shewed by the men themselves whom the prophesies concerne may be brought to clear the controversie but mine opposite will insist upon dark and figurative speeches that men may be the more easily deluded For how shall we prove against Papists that the Pope is Antichrist if we may not alleage the Popes owne doctrines and practises which are contrary to Christ Yea how shall we judge of any church but by their owne Confessions published and comparing them with the scripures Wherefore the profession of Papists concerning their church is a strong argument wherby they may be discovered to be none of Christs even the Cretian lyars testimonie against themselves is true as the Apostle noteth Tit. 1. 12. 13. An Answer to the arguments brought for the church of Rome MIne opposite pleadeth thus 1. First J take an argument from the baptisme had in the churches aforesayd the Apostate churches of Christians thus The Baptisme had in the church of Rome is the Lords baptisme the signe and seale of his covenant the ordinance of God had in that church from the Apostles times before Antichrist there arose Rom. 6. 2. 3. and so is true baptisme which is from heaven and not of men that one baptisme which perteyneth to the bodie of Christ Eph. 4. 4. 5. which the Lord hath given to his church and not man c. Therfore the church of Rome is the church of God and under his covenant c. Answ. Here let it first be observed whether mine opposite pleadeth against the present estate of that church as before he pretended For if they be under Gods covenant have it sealed unto them from heaven by that one true baptisme then are they in the state of grace and of salvation which is the very thing that all Papists at this day doe plead for Concerning his Argument I deny that the baptisme had in all Apostate churches of Christians and particularly in the church of Rome is the Lords true baptisme or the signe and seale of his covenant of grace unto them Here mine opposite referreth me to an other place of his book for proof of the trueth of their Baptisme wherto I will make answer anone in their place And now that my denyal may not be so bare as is his assertion here I will insist upon the two scriptures which he citeth and disprove their baptisme In Rom. 6. 2. 3. 4. the Apostle sayth How shall we that are dead to syn live any longer therin Know ye not that so many of us as are baptised into Christ Iesus were baptised into his death Therfore we are buried with him by baptisme into death that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glorie of the Father even so we also should walk â—n nâ—wnes of life Here first the
Apostle speaketh of such as are dead to syn that is mortified Christians which live not in syn neyther reigneth it in them but they are freed or justified from syn and are alive unto God But Antichristians such as are the professant members of the church of Rome are not dead unto or freed from syn for they are the subjects of the Man of syn the worshipers of the Beast for whom is prepared the wine of the wrath of God Revel 14. 9. 10. They are of that church which by my opposites confession a little before is fallen into most synfull and deep apostasie is a notorious â—arlot and idolatress which all the people of God ought to forsake Wherefore they are rather to be counted dead in synns as th'Apostle speaketh of the Gentiles Ephes. 2. 1. and that they are in deed dead and not partakers of the first resurrection is evident by Revel 20. 4. 5. 6. in that they are the worshipers of the Beast and murderers of the witnesses of Iesus Wherfore the doctrine of Baptisme in Rom. 6. is farr from proving the Antichristians or other heretical and apostate churches to have the true baptisme of Christ or seale of his covenant but his servants they are to whom they obey even of syn unto death Rom. 6. 16. The other scripture is Ephe. 4. 4. 5. There is one body and one spirit even as ye are called unto one hope of your calling one Lord one faith one baptisme By which words it appeareth that such as have the One baptisme have also one and the same faith Lord hope spirit and body which to affirme of the Antichristian church of Rome and of all other heretical and Apostate churches that professe Christ is very impious And most firme arguments there are from the Apostles words to the coÌ„trary of that which this man pleadeth for As The Romish and other heretical churches have not the one same faith with the true Churches of Christ witness their blasphemous doctrines published by the Council of Trent and in other books and the Apostles prophesie that they are departed from the faith 1 Tim. 4. 1. c. therfore they have not the one Baptisme They have not one and the same Lord Iesus Christ but have Antichrist the Man of syn for their Lord therefore they have not the one baptisme They have not that one hope nor that one Spirit neyther are they one bodie with the true Christian churches therfore they have not that one baptisme These things are partly prooved before in the description which I set downe of Antichrists church they are also acknowledged of all Christian churches which disclaim the unitie with the Antichristians in their faith spirit bodie And the scriptures most abundantly disclaime this feighned unitie as 2 Cor. 6. 12. what concord hath Christ with Belial meaning none at all And Belial is there put for Antichrist and his retinue as in 2 Sam. 23. 6. 22. 5. The Apostle sheweth that the Antichristians have from God strong delusions to beleeve lyes unto their damnation 2 Thes. 2. 11. 12. That they are departed from the faith doe give heed to â—educing spirits and doctrines of Divils speaking lyes in hypocrisie c. â— Tim. 4. 1. 2. That the false teachers among Christians privily bring in damnable heresies even denying the Lord that bought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction 2 Pet. 2. 1. That the Beast which is the kingdome of Antichrist and the false prophet his ministers and all that worship him or take his mark shal be tormented in fyre and brimstone for ever and ever Rev. 20. 10. c. 14. 9. 10. And shall we now say that these miserable creatures have one Spirit hope Lord faith and baptisme with the saincts and true Churches of Christ My soule come not thou into their secret that so affirme The second argument for such churches is If they be not under the covenant of God but divorced from the Lord c then is there no salvation for any in those churches Answ. I deny the consequence For then after Israel was divorced from the Lord as is testified in in Ier. 3. 8. there was no salvation for any among them which I know mine opposite himself would not say Objection Why out of the covenant of God there is no salvation Answ. I grant it But though the church be not under the covenant of God but without it or divorced from him yet some parlicular persons in that church may through Gods grace be in his covenant For as every true church is in the covenant of God yet some hypocrites and reprobates are in the same which perish for ever so every false church is out of the covenant yet some truly faithful and elect may be therein which by the covenant of grace may be saved Example in Rahab the Canaanitess the church whereof shee was had not the covenant of grace in Christ yet she having heard of Gods works towards Israel beleeved in God and was saved and before she joyned her self to the church of Israel shee shewed the fruits of true and living faith wherby shee was justified is put in the catalogue of the Saincts Jos. 2. 1. 9. 10. c. Heb. 11. 31. 39. Jam. 2. 25. 26. The like is to be thought of the other nations farr off from God who by some meanes hearing of his name and trueth might imbrace the faith unto salvation though the churches wherof they stood members were false and idolatrous 1 King 8. 41. 42. 43. So where mine oppositeÌ„ bringeth scriptures to prove that they which are not in the covenant of God and Christ cannot be saved he proveth that which is not denyed but this he should have proved if he could that if a church be false and not under the covenant none in that church can by any meanes come unto the faith and covenant of Christ for this I deny And his argument if it had been sound should have been this If Antichristian churches be not under the covenant of God but divorced from the Lord then is there no salvation for any that are under the covenant of that church and in no other covenant and so I would have granted his argument as confirmed by the Holy ghost that all such are in the state of damnation 2 Thes. 2. 10. 11. 12. Rev. 14. 9. 10. Here to help the church of Antichrist into the covenant of Christ he bringeth in the profession of the Iesuites of Rhemes which as he sayth â—old Christ by nature to be truely both God and man to be the one eternal Priest and Redeemer which by his sacrifice and death upon the cross hath reconciled in to God and payd his blood as a fâ—ll and sufficient ransome for all our synns c. againe to be the singular advocate and patron of mankinde that by himself alone and by his owne meritâ— procureth all grace and mercie
sayd a litle before that the church of Rome is fallen into most sinfull and deep defection and apostasie and so is a notorious harlot and idolatrâ—ss Wherefore his distinction here between the apostasie the church of Rome making the one Antichrist the other Gods temple under his covenant of grace neyther accordeth with the scriptures nor with his own assertion Next this where he sayth that by the Temple of God in Israel was figured the church of God among Christians it is graunted But withall let it be noted that himself can not deney but the Temple and tabernacle in Israel was not the church and congregation of Gods people properly but a sacramental signe of Gods dwelling with them which I before confirmed by these scriptures Exod 25. 8. 2. Chron. 6. 2. Ezek. 37. 26. 27. Rev. 21. 3. Secondly he himself affirmeth that the temple at Ierusalem did primarily figure out Christ and secondarily the church both the catholik or universal and particular churches likeweise particular Christians and in several respects both their bodies and their soules and consciences Vpon which graunts of his it foloweth that there is no necessarie consequence of this his proposition Jf the Pope of Rome with his hierarchie be the man of syn spoken of in 2. Thes. 2. then is the church of Rome the Temple of God there spoken of for he understanding by the church the people as in 1. Cor. 3. 16. 17. 2. Cor. 6. 16. Eph. 2 21. and yet granting that the Temple in Israel was not the people all may see the weaknes and insufficiencie of this inference that because the Pope of Rome sitteth as God in the Temple of God therfore the people of the church of Rome are that Temple of God there spoken of consequently Gods true church For why now may we not as well if not much better say that by the Temple of God is understood the doctrine and profession of Christ the true Temple or as in my former †book I shewed thus As the Temple was an outward signe of Gods presence with his people and of his inward dwelling in their harts * by saith and by his spirit unto their salvation so Antichrists temple is an outward shew of his presence with that seduced people in whose harts †he dwelleth by Popish faith and by his spirit of errour carying them to damnation But as Antichrist shal not professedly deny the true God or Christ though in deed he falsly * sheweth himself that he is God so shal hâ— not professedly deny the Temple or church of God but falsly vaunt his adulterous synagogue to be the same Vnto this exposition mine opposite hath given no answer and it being according to the scriptures trueth of the thing in controversie I leave it to the prudent reader whether the outward shew and profession of Christ and Christian religion be not the first thing here intended of th'Apostle by the Temple of God And this is further confirmed by Rev. 11. 1. Where the Temple Altar and Worshipers are three distinct things and the people are the worshipers there spoken of neyther the Temple nor the Altar of which place we shal treat anone Then wheras he granteth that the Temple in Ierusalem did primarily figure out Christ how is it that he wholly neglecteth the primarie thing figured and insisteth upon the secondary the church or people of Rome Seing it is knowen how the Pope pretendeth him self to be Christs vicar and deputie on earth and to be the servant and worshiper of Christ in heaven and may we think that th'Apostle in warning them of the mysterie of iniquitie would not imply the chief point of the mysterie that Antichrist should in pretence sit for Christ and in his sted as his vicar generall on earth Thus to sit in the Temple or for the Temple of God may well be understood that Antichrist should sit for Christ a pretended friend but in deed an adverse foe Now for that which the Temple secondarily figured namely the church catholik and also particular and so mens consciences he wavereth in his application He sayth this terme the church of Rome is taken eyther particularly which he applieth to the Laterane church in Rome the Popes parish church or more generally for all other such Christian churches as are come under the Popes jurisdiction c. This later I hold to be most proper here for what needed there such warning to the Thessalonians other christian churches through the world if a Bishop of the Lateran parish a corner in Rome had exalted himself above God therin onely and had not usurped also a pretended Christian power over all And the complement of the prophesie is an evident exposition of it for who knoweth not that the Pope scorneth to be Bishop of the Lateran parish onely it is a jurisdiction over the catholik church throughout the earth which he chalengeth And now what proof bringeth mine opposite that the church of Rome as God constituted it is taken generally for other Christian churches under the Popes jurisdiction None at all neyther can he bring any jote of Gods word for the same Againe what proof maketh he that the catholik Romane church wherin the Pope sitteth is the true church of God None but this J suppose these men themselves being better advised wil not deny them to be the churches and Temple of God But he should have shewed if it had been possible for him that the Romane church is by divine institution the catholik or universal church which because I assure my self it can never be doen I conclude that this Romane catholik church is a fiction of the Popes braine and a meere idol like himself and is no otherweise the Temple of God then the Pope is Christs universal vicar namely in lying words and vaine ostentation And so the maine ground for the Temple of God wherin Antichrist sitteth to be the true church of Christ is overthrowne As for the Popes Laterane parish I both deny it to be Christs true church and that it onely is the Temple of God wherin Antichrist should sit His proof of the former is this Jf we understand it of a particular church as the Apostle wrote his epistle to the church of the Romans how shall we soundly deny it eyther to be the Temple of God or Antichrist to be set therin Thus have we suppositions and questions in sted of proofes To his demand I answer it is the Temple of God in pretence not in trueth even as the Pope is a bishop of Christ in pretence but in deed is Antichrist the man of syn as mine opposite granteth The church that was in Rome in Pauls time wil no more justifie the Popes synagogue there now then the Christian ministers which were then in that church Rom. 12. wil justifie the Antichristian prelates that there reigne at this day Secondly the Laterane parish at Rome is of the
faithfull Christians and more inward church of God invisible to men but seen and preserved of God c. And by the Altar and worshipers be figuratively noted the spirituall worship and mediation of Christ with faithfull Christians and worshipers made Priests unto God who wholly and onely rely vpon Christ c. Answ. Seing here are three distinct things the Temple the Altar and the worshipers it seemeth unfit to confound the first with the last the worshipers here are the faithful Christians which serve God in his Temple as Rev 7. 15. and upon his Altar To make the Temple to signify faithful Christians here when the worshipers are the faithful Christians here themselves it â—itteth not the vision Rather as the Temple figured Christ in his humanitie Joh. 2. 19. 21. God manifested in the flesh in whom God dwelt in whom all doe serve the Lord and as the golden altar of incense figured his mediation the brazen altar for sacrifice figured his oblation of himself for his Church so here the measuring of the Temple Altar and worshipers signifieth the restauration of Christian religion from the Apostasie of Antichrist the Temple of God signifieth Christ truely professed for his person or doctrine of true Christianitie constitution of the Church therein the Altar is the true doctrine of his oblation and mediation for us and the worshipers are the faithfull Christians that worship God in the true profession of Christ and of his mediation and sacrifice as in the true Temple and altar of God contrary to the heresies and abominations of Antichrist His third and fourth considerations are by the Court without the Temple to be noted in figure the visible church Christians By the holy citie Jerusalem to be noted in figure oyther the visible church and outward state of Christians more generally or such as are truly godly and Gods holy church more particularly By the Gentiles to understand hethens and rebellious Jewes that is profane and wicked Christians the Antichristian hierarchiâ— and Locusts Rev 9. c. Answ. This is faultie three wayes first in confounding persons and other things as one secondly in shuffling true Christians and Antichristians as one bodie thirdly in restreyning the gentiles or heathens spoken of in Revel 11. 2. to the Pope and his hierarchie onely 1. The thing here shewed in vision was after the manner of Ierusalem and the Temple of old there the Temple was not the people neyther were the courts the people neyther the citie when it was distinct from the citizens but they were holy places and signes appointed of God for the people to worship him in by them 2. True visible Christians which he sayth are the court and citie and Antichristians or as he would have it the Pope and his hierarchie whom the Lord calleth Gentiles or heathen he would have mixed togither as one body and church the Antichristian heathens to be the Bishops and pastors and the visible Christians to be the flock and this for the space of 1260. yeres as himself numbreth the 42. moneths a day for a yere Which is contrary to the whole scope of this book of the Revelation which sheweth the true Christians to be such as are marked and sealed of God Revel 7. 3. c. having his name in their foreheads virgines and folowers of the Lamb Rev. 14. 1. 4. such as worship not the Beast or his image neyther receive his mark on forehead or hand Rev. 20 4. whereas by his exposition the true visible Christians are those that worship the beast as the church of Rome doeth and have doen these many yeres 3. That the gentiles should be onely the Pope and hierarchie agreeth neyther with trueth nor type for whether he respect the rebellious Iewes or faithless Gentiles it can never be shewed at any time that they were onely Priests and Levices or Kings captaines and officers that trode down Ierusalem or dwelt in the court without the Temple but people with priests and soldjers with captaines that strange it is from whence he should gather this interpretation And though many of all sorts have expounded this book yet never read I of any one neyther doeth he cite any one man that ever was of his minde so to interpret these things but it was his owne singular conceyt As for the key which should open the dore to the understanding of this vision namely the commandement to measure the Temple c. with the reed vers 1. this he omitteth But with that wil I begin After that God for the idolatries and other synns of the Iewes had delivered the holy citie Ierusalem and the Temple therin into the hands of the Gentiles the Babylonians who first robbed the temple and caried away all the chief men into captivitie from Jerusalem to Babylon and afterward for further synns broke up the Citie burnt the Lords house and the Kings house and all the houses of Jerusalem and brake down the walls of Jerusalem round about and caried away the rest of the people that were left in the citie the Lord pitâ—ying the desolation of his church began to restore and reedisie the same calling his people to repentance and unto Zacharie his Prophet by visions signified that he would returne to Jerusalem with mercies and his house should be built in it and shewed him a man with a measuring line in his hand to measure the breadth and length of Ierusalem signifying the reedifying of the same and therupon called his people out of Babylon He foretold him also of the Branch Christ that should build the Temple of the Lord. And unto Ezekiel then in captivity he likeweise shewed in a vision a man like brass with a line and a measuring reed wherwith he measured the breadth and heighth of the building which Christ should erect and this in all the parts therof as gates chambers windowes posts courts tables and also the temple posts dores walles likewise the utter court with all things concerning the same The end of which vision was to signifie that in that place he would dwell in the midst of the sonns of Israel as before he had by the signe of Solomons Temple and he willed the Prophet that if the house of Israel were ashamed of all the evils that they had doen he should shew them the forme of the house and the fashion therof c. and all the ordinances therof and all the formes therof and all the lawes therof and let them measure the patterne Accordingly when God had set his Temple or Tabernacle among Christians as is described in Rev. 4. by the similitude of Moses Tabernacle and for the synns of the people who began to revolt from the faith and to imbrace Antichrist even whiles the Apostles lived and after their decease fell more and more from Christ as by the opening of the seales Rev 6. and by the sounding of the Trompets Rev
or false-Christian churches kept the sacraments Yea let any shew that any of the heathens I except not the very Canaanites turned the sacrifices into such abominable idolatry as the Church of Rome hath turned the sacraments And for other synns Antichristians are not behinde them How freely did Abraham Isaac and Jakob live and publickly worship God by altars and sacrifices in the midst of the Caananites Hittites c. Gen. 12. 7. 26. 25. 35. 6. â— whereas if they had so doen according to the true worship of the Gospel in the Church of Rome now these many hundred yeares they had been burned for heretickes as innumerable of Abrahams faith have been How religiously did the King of Gerar carry himselfe towards Abrahams wife Gen. 20. in comparison of the outragious adulteries and fornications by the chiefe of the Church of Rome as all histories testifie Yea God himself appeared unto that King and appointed Abraham to pray for him Gen. 20. 3. 7. How honourably did the Hittites intreat Abraham acknowledging him a Prince of God and offred him all kindnes Gen. 23. 5. 6. c. yet other nations were better then they Gen. 24. 3. 4. 27. 46. Look upon Balaam the soothsayer of Mesopotamia even in Moses time and see how he consulted with Jehovah his God by altars and sacrifices of Burnt-offrings such as were used in Israel Num. 22. 8. 9. 18. 23. 1. 2. 3. c. and it will plainly appeare the heathens had not more degenerated from the religion worship learned from Noe then the Church of Rome hath from that which Paul taught there Yea there was a better Church in the land of Vz in all likelihood then the Church of Israel was in Aegypt when they polluted themselves with the idols thereof Ezek. 20. 6. 7. 8. For in Vz land Iob was governour a most godly man as was upon the earth and a Priest unto the most high God Iob. 1. 1. 5. 8. 42. 8. 9. holding firme the faith of Christ his redeemer and of the resurrection to life Iob. 19. 25. 26. 27. and free from idolatry Iob. 31. 26. 27. 28. And what knowledge and religion was then among the Temanites Shuhites Naamathites and Buzites the friends of Iob that came to visit him doe shew Iob. 2. 11. c. and 32. 2. c. and notwithstanding their errour in their disputation they obtained pardon of God in Christ Iob. 42. 7. 9. And who can tell when the golden Candlestickes of Christian churches were removed from those other peoples Though soon even too soon there was a generall apostasie among the nations after Noe as among the nations after the Apostles times But among which of them was there a such a Man of Syn reigning at any time as hath now reigned in the Church of Rome these many hundred yeares Wherefore they measure not things by the golden reed which cast off those Churches of the nations as wholly prophane and fallen from grace and yet justifie this notorious harlot the church of Rome to be still in the covenant of grace whose impieties are not inferiour to any of those nations in Moses time but rather aboue them for her sins have reached up to heaven Rev. 18. 5. And wheras those nations had not the word of God written but as they learned it by voyce of men which might more easily be corrupted and forgotten the church of Rome having the written word hath despised it not suffered their children to read or heare it lest forsooth it should make them heretickes that for a man to have Gods booke it was as much as his life was worth so the miserable people for contempt of Gods holy Law have been justly given over into Aegyptian darknes and into most abominable idolatries and heresies which have drowned men in perdition Now that which mine opposite objecteth of the opinion of the Anabaptists c. as I reject it for a great errour so his supposition whereby he would feoff it upon me is injurious If I think that all people of the world in all ages and places of the earth are under the covenant of grace c. whereas I spake but of the nations in Moses time which were not so farr fallen from God as they were afterward and now much more Againe himselfe pleadeth for the church of Rome at this day to bee in the covenant of grace yet I hope he would not say that all in that church are redeemed otherwise then many reprobates are redeemed except he should think there are no reprobates And if the Man of Syn which himselfe expoundeth the Pope and his Hierarchie be redeemed which are the chief members of that Church we must needs acknowledge a very generall redemption So where he chargeth me with abuse of Ezek. 16. 8. thou beâ—amest mine and asketh me Is this now the case and estate of all the earth with the Lord I answer no it was not then much lesse is it now For I sayd that then God made Israel his peculiar people Exod. 19. 5. though generally he sayd all the earth was his But because the earth corrupted their wayes before him as they did before the â—loud Gen. 6. 11. 12. therefore God separated to himselfe a peculiar people to be his inheritance And so I think mine opposite himselfe would confesse though all that professe Christianitie be Gods Churches in his account yet the Christian reformed churches are Christs peculiar Churches though all Christendom bee his in a large sense Yet he ceaseth not to object that the heavens are the Lords Deut. 10. 14. and every beast of the forrest is his c. Psa. 50. 10. 11. 12. shal we therefore think sayth he that the beasts are the wife and Church of God â—s Ezekiel speaketh of the Jewes c. Answ. None but beasts would so think The comparison in Exod. 19. 5. is not between men and beasts but between men and men And such men as had all within lesse then a thousand years been Gods wife and church and in his covenant of grace But most of them on their parts fallen from it to idolatry as Israel also had Ezek. 20. 7. 8. and as the church of Rome and other churches within a thousand yeares after the Apostles have doen. The heathens then were not more fallen from God then the church of Rome is mine opposite pleadeth for Rome because they were a church 15 hundred yeeres before and Antichrist still sitteth in the Temple of God I answer him the heathens in Moses time were all the church nine or ten hundred yeares before and are still called Gods people Exod. 19. 5. He replieth with the instance of Wild-beasts c. If I should so have turnd my back upon an argument what out-cries would he have made after me When David exhorteth all the earth to sing unto the Lord Psal. 66. 1. 100. 1. speaketh he to the beasts When Moses sayth All the earth was of one language Gen
11. 1. doth not he mean it of the men of the earth onely and not of beasts So in Exod. 19. 5. yee Israelites shal be a peculiar treasure unto me above all peoples for all the earth that is all peoples of the earth are mine Where God calleth all peoples his not onely by creation as the beasts were his but by covenant made with them in Noes time when he smelled the sweet savour of his sacrifice and promised no more to drown the world and blessed both Noe and his sonns and established his covenani with them and with their seed after them and gave them a sight of his covenant his bow in the clowd Gen 8. 20. 21. 9. 1. 9. 12. 13. which covenant though the natural benefit of it extended to the beasts as the beasts also had natural refreshing by that water out of the Rock which to the Israelites was a sacrament of Christ Numb 20 8 1 or 10. 4. yet unto men and to men onely it was a spiritual covenant of grace by Christ as appeareth by Esa. 54. 8. 9. 10. Rev. 4. 3. and 10 1. 1 Pet. 3. 20. 21. Now the covenant of grace thus established with Noe his sonns and their seed after them was respected of God in Exod 19. 5. when for the Apostasie of Noes seed he of his love made Israel his peculiar above all other peoples though some of the Nations were as in charitie I judge from Iobs historie Gods true churches stil and in the worst of the nations as the cursed Canaanites he had many of his elect as he hath now in the church of Rome which the examples of Rahab the harlot the Gibeonites or Nethinims Vriah the Hittite Aravnath the Iebusite and many other throughout the scriptures doe confirme All men as th'Apostle teacheth from the heathens confession are Gods ofspring or generation Act. 17. 28. 29. The Gentile as the parable shewerh in Luke 15 was brother to the Iew and God is the God not of the Iewes onely but also of the Gentiles Rom. 3. 29. and if the uncircumcised Gentile kept the righteousnes of the Law his uncircumcision was counted for circumcision for there is no respect of persons with God Rom. 2. 10. 11. 26. Act. 10. 34. 35. And as Paul reasoneth Hath God cast away his people Israel Far be it for J also am an Israelite c God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew Rom. 11. 1. 2. So I reason Did God cast away his peoples of the seed of Noes sonns Far be it For Rahab was a Canaanite Aravnah a Iebusite Vriah an Hittite Ebedmelech an Ethiopian Iether an Ismaelite and thousands of these and the other nations which were Gods people whom he foreknew and saved of his grace in Christ. They which can not answer these things but by instancing beasts doe want the wisdom which men of God should have With like successe in another place of his book he answereth touching the Gentiles For wheras I wrote The ordinanoes of God which they the Apostate Israelites in shew reteyned could not be unto them the figâ—es and seales of the forgivnes of synns and of life eternal and therfore were in their use of them false and deceytfull as were also the ordinances of God reteyned in other nations as * Altars Sacrifices Preists tithes first fruits incense meat-offrings drink-offrings feasts baptismes or washing â—â—byntings excommunications prayers vowes and many the like wherof all histories doe record that the Gentiles did reteyn them * Numb 23. 1. Pompon Laetus de Sacerd. Tâ—bull l. 1. eleg 10. l. 2. eleg 1. 2. Homer Odyss 3. Jliad 1. Uirgil Aen. 2. Caesar bell Gall. l. 6. He replieth All is to no purpose For if it be to shew that the Gentiles had Altars sacrifices priests c none doeth deny it But if it be to shew that these were the Lords ordinances given by him to these nations as circumcision was to Jsrael for confirmation of his covenant unto them or that circumcision in Israel was no more a signe and seale of Gods covenant and consequently of forgivenes of synns and life eternal then those were among the heathens c then all may see that this scripture is also perverted and that neyther it nor all the writers in the world prove any such matter c. Answ. It is easy to say the scripture is perverted and shew no reason how I have before proved from the historie of Noe God covenant of grace with his seed after him and from the historie of Iob that all nations had not onely Altars sacrifices Preists c but had them also as the Lords ordinances given them for confirmation of his covenant of forgivenes of synns in Christ to come Whence did Cain and Abel Noe Abram Iakob and Iob learn to offer first fruits and beasts build altars pay tithes make vowes c but from divine institution taught their fathers from God and by the fathers to the children Otherweise they could not have doen them in faith as of some of them th'Apostle testifieth they did Heb. 11. which teacheth us so to judge of the rest And if all other nations had kept the faith as did Iob their sacrifices had been the seales of forgivenes of synns unto them as they were unto Iob. When they lost their faith their sacrifices were vaine and no seale of grace unto them Now compare Israel in their Apostasie they made new Temples new Altars new Priests new feasts and signes which were not onely none of Gods ordinances but expresly forbidden them by his written Law Exod. 20. 4. 5. so that they were so farre from having their sacrifices seales of forgivenes of synns unto them as they were reputed for bloud unto them and they were by the doom of his Law to be cut off for offring them Levit. 17. 4. Thus having no word of promise they neither did nor could sacrifice of faith but their sacrifices were abominable as the sacrifices of the heathens and they sacrificed to divils not to God as Moses and the prophets testifie Deut. 32. 17. 2. Chron. 11. 15. Now for Circumcision first it was not commanded to the Gentiles neither was it a seale of the covenant of grace to Noe and his seed but was first commanded to Abraham and his seed and houshold Gen 17. and so to Israel and such as would be of that Church and partake of their passover Levit. 12. Exod. 12. 44. 48. Wherefore it being not commanded to Noes sonns such of them as were scatered farr off and heard not of the precept to Abraham were doubtlesse in the covenant of gracefull if they abode in Noes faith and were saved without circumcision as well as we at this day Who doubteth of the salvation of the Patriarchs Sem and Heber who both of them lived till after the ordinance of circumcision yet is there no record that they were circumcised Yea all the Israelites that were born for the space
and people so doth the Antichristian of Antichrist his ministers and people This Beast hath seven heads and ten hornes Rev. 17. 3. the ten hornes are sayd to be ten Kings v. â—2 as in Dan. 7. 24. the ten hornes out of that kingdom are ten kings these kings are none of the hierarchy wherefore the whole body of this beast conteineth more then the Pope and his hierarchy The Lamb against whom the Beast with his hornes fighteth Rev. 17. 14. Mr. Iunius expoundeth to be Christ and his Church why may not we by like reason expound the Beast to bee Antichrist and his Church Finally the Beast sayth Mr. Iunius * himselfe is the Romane Empire made long agoe of civill Ecclesiastical the chief head whereof hee maketh the Pope to beâ— And the Beast of Rome sayth he of a civil Empire is made an ecclesiastical Hierarchie The Whore he expoundeth to be the spiritual Babylon which is Rome so then by mine opposites plea neither did Mr. Iunius say neither ever entred into his thought that the ecclesiastical Roman Empire since the Pope was head of it or the hierarchy was ever married unto Christ. As for the Whore the Church which rideth this Beast he calleth it the False-Christian Church over which Antichrist ruleth and Antichrists Church which title mine opposite will not beare at my hand and that Antichristian Church which the Angel biddeth cast out and measure it not in Rev. 11. 12. Mr. Iunius explaineth thus As if he should say it belongeth nothing to thee to judge those which are without 1. Cor. 5. 12. which be innumerable look unto those of the houshold onely or unto the house of the living God Notwithstanding all this Mr. Iohnson would needs measure it for the true Church House and Temple of God so well doe Mr. Iunius and he accord together To a testimony which I alleaged out of D. Fulk concerning the miserable blindnesse of people in Popery of which mine opposite sayth he might have been better aduised hee to requiâ—e me as he thinketh alleageth a speech of Mr. Broughtons who sayth Millions of millions of Romes clients are saved Brought on Rev. 13. 18. p. 203. Answ. Would he be content that Mr. Broughton should decide our controversie touching the Church of Rome Thus then sayth that author in the same book The Popes clients are the taile of the great Dragon Thence from Rome was the Rebellion to arise Man of syn Apollyon c. to set up or depose states and to have a people of his own frame and to burne the true Temple of God The Popes power driveth the Church not to be seen for certaine hundreds of yeares The Pope wresteth al that is spoken of the true Church into protection for his synagogue of Satan Rome passeth al the enemies of the Church in cruelty and idolatry Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezar were never so hardened The prophane Caesars did not so strictly hinder all use of Religion Rome hath farr passed the old Babel in idolatry The Pope followeth al heathen superstition in name staffe apparel of Caesars and Temples setting but a face of Christianity upon them All their doctrine is such that their Temples Masse and dayly profession in al things is from the unclean spirit and their whole policie is a lye The Beast which is ascended out of Abyssos that is al his eorporations millions of millions alpapists goe from their Abyssos of black ignorance unto Abyssos Luk. 8. whither the Divils shal come in their time to be tormented for ever ever These sundry the like coÌ„mendations doth the author alleaged give of the church of Rome which mine opposite pleadeth for and taking hold of a phrase wresteth it for his purpose from the mans meaning who seemeth not to speak of the popish church but of the ancient Christian for these are there Mr. Broughtons words And for Julius the captaine who was so careful for S. Paul that for his sake the liâ—e of the prisoners were spared Act. 27. God would not record this but to save millions of millions of Romes clients for S. Paul but for the unthankeful to S. Paul and forgers that Peter was at Rome who never came neere it he stil reserved Pilats holiness that Popes selfe-murder should be the reward Was not here a testimony well alleaged So in other places of his book he quoteth Mr. Brightman and others whose writings directly cross that which he pleadeth for in many things as they that read the authors may see and anone I will set downe their sayings No marvell then if hee wrest my words as where next he sayth that that which the Apostle speaketh of the Man of sin and of them that perish because they receive not the love of the truth c. 2. Thess. 2. 9. J apply for exclusion from pardon and certain condemnation to the whole Church of Rome and so to all the members thereof and that for all ages that either have been are or shal be ever since the Man of syn was seated there Answ. I sayd no more but thus God if it were granted that he is the husband of this whore hath promised her no pardon but delivered her to Satan to be seduced deluded damned 2. Thes. 2. 9. 11. 12. I speak not here of those in Rome that have withstood her whoordoms which have been many nor of those to whom at last God hath given repentance unto life which I hope are moe nor of other his elect but of the whore in generall whose damnation is shewed in Rev. 17. and 18. yea th'Apostle speaketh more particularly That they all might be damned who beleeve not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness Behold how hee sayth they all which some evill minded man might urge against the Apostle as mine opposite doth against me But wise men know that the promises of life to the true Church pertain not to the reprobates that are in it so the threatnings of death to the false Church take not hold on Gods elect which are therein Object Jf this harlot the Church of Rome was never Christs spouse otherwise then all the world was by our first parents Adam and Noe how then hath she broken the covenant of wedlock if she never were in it how can she be called a whore in respect of Christ any more then the heathens that never knew God in Christ How can she be sayd to be in Apostasie c. Answ. Of the state of the Gentiles I have spoken before and proved them to have been all in the covenant of grace in Christ from Gen. 9. 9. c. But they generally fell from God to idolatry which is whoredom and apostasie and were in time rejected of God who renewed his covenant with one small nation of the Iewes and yet saved his elect among the Gentiles also So the Christian Churches planted by the Apostles soon fell from
is Christs true Church because it is the Temple of God 2. Thess. 2. D. Whitakers giveth sundry answers the two first are these 1. Jt may be called the church wherein Antichrist sitteth because it was the true church of Christ before not because now it is c. So Esaias sayth the faithful citie was become an harlot Esa. 1. 21. where he calleth Jerusalem the faithful citie because it had been faithful before so we say the Temple of God is the seat of Antichrist that is that which of old was the Temple of God 2. The Church of Rome taketh to it selfe the name title of the true Church and in the opinion of our adversartes it is the true Church 〈◊〉 was a monstrous thing of old 〈◊〉 deny this neither was it denyed but of a very few who straight way when they were knowen were killed notwithstanding it was not the true Church but the whore of Babylon c. These answeres when I gave mine opposite could by no meanes endure at my hand The same author sayth a litle before Now let us see whether the Bishop of Rome hath departed from Christ and from the faith so that the church of Rome now reteyneth not the form of the Apostles doctrine Surely that is evident by all the heads of doctrine which are in controversie between us and them That Church succeedeth the Apostles in deed but so as a den of theeves doe the house of God and as an harlot doth the faithful citie c. And after But the Pope sayth Billarmine honoreth one true God the Father Son and holy Ghost J answer hee honoureth him not but blasphemeth him He doth I confess as Atheists are wont to do which wil not openly deny God but in hart and workes they deny him so the Pope figneth and preclaimeth that he honoureth the trinity but in deed he carâ—h not for him For he that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father of the holy Ghost but the Pope honoureth not the Son for he corrupteth his doctrine c. Againe touching that particular before handled whether by Babylon in Rev. 17. be meant the Citie or the Church of Rome Mr. Whitakers sayth Whereas the adversary affirmeth that it is not the Church of Rome whloâ—â— is called Babylon but the citie such as it was under the Emperours it is false For it is certain that Rome is by Iohn in the Revelation called Babylon because of that Church which should be at Rome For mention is made there of the false Prophet as also of the Whore which by her allurements should bewitch the whole world These things cannot be understood but of the Church and are necessarily to be referred unto Antichrist Mr. Brightman in his book of the Revelation expoundeth the Gentiles in Rev. 11. 2. to be the christiaÌ„s that are so in name only On Rev. 13. 8. he saith The holy Ghost doth cry openly that all they do wholly â—eopard and cast away their salvation that are subject to the Pope of Rome if so bee that they depart out of this life without repentance And again This Beast is worshipped of all Reprobates with whom while thou conspirest in thy worship who shal separate thee froÌ„ the state of reprobates He doth not therfore break off unity who departeth from the synagogue of Rome but he purchaseth unavoydable destruction to himselfe who cleaveth unto it without repentance These and the like things sayth Mr. Brightman one whose name mine opposite useth to grace his erroneous cause by Mr. Brovghtons testimony we have heard before Mr. Dudly Fenner in his Theologie writeth thus Antichrist is the head of the universal apostasie that should come 1. Ioh. 2. 18. Ioh. 4. 2. 2. Thess. 2. 4. 5. 6. Wherupon his church is by a Synechdoche called Antichrist 1. Ioh. 4. 3. 2. 18. as the true Church is called Christ 1. Cor. 12. 12. The Antichristian church compared to a Beast is the apostatical church but counterfeyting the vizar of the true which representeth the lively image of the Roman monarchie formerly doen away and of the goverment power amplitude seat therof amongst all peoples 2 Thes. 2. 4. 5. 6. 8. Revel 11. 7. 8. 13. 3. 11. 12. 18. Antichrist or the False prophet is the head of the Antichristian church the mediatour between it and the Dragon Rev. 16. 13. 13. 4. 11. 12. This Antichrist is an Opposer for to defend the foresayd departing away froÌ„ the truth of Christ 2 Thes. 2. 4. compared as touching the phrase with Dan. 8. 11. and an Exalter of himself first that he may lift up himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped that is against all powers and majesties both earthly heavenly 2. Thes. 2. 9. Dan. 8. 11. 36. Secondly that placing his seat in the church in name called Gods he may shew himself as God that is arrogate to himself the divine power and absolute dominion of Christ Esai 31. 1. 2. 2 Thes. 2. 4. Dan. 8. 25. Napier the Noble of Scotland expounding the Revelation sayth But as for the outward and visible face of the pretended church it must be rejected from God and no care measure nor account had by him therof because it must be given over to Antichristian and idolatrous people who shal subdue his holy church and spiritual Jerusalem and tread it under foot 1260. yeres Gods true church and spouse was chased away and remayned invisible and soliturie among certaine private persons predestinate elect of God But the rest of the people that lay dead in Antichristian errors arose not therfrom to imbrace the word of life ill c. But the rest J mean the whole outward visible church lay wholly as dead and corrupt with papistocal errours Of the Baptisme in the Church of Rome ALthough the former things against the Church of Rome be ynough to disprove her baptisme which is ordained of God onely for his Church and those in his covenant out of which Rome is gone yet because mine opposite urgeth some speciall reasons against mee for the same I will also briefly answer them About this poynt he hath nine reasons in his Christian plea pag. 27 ... 30. 1. The first which is against the repeating of Baptisme againe I grant him neither doe I hold it needfull or lawfull to repeate again the baptisme received in false churches 2. The second being for the same purpose I likewise grant As also that there is one baptisme as there was one circumcision which plea of his I would have noted because of his contrary reasoning afterward Likewise his example from Israel whose circumcision was not repeated I hold very fit But let the Reader observe how the Scriptures by him brought to prove it are 2. Chron. 30. chap. Ezr. 6. 19. 20. 21. of which the first was before the captivity the other after 3. The third that the covenant of grace is everlasting
of the abuse our question is of the thing it selfe notwithstanding their sinful abuse Ans. Our question is of popish baptisme which cannot bee rightly handled without looking to their abuses for how should we judge of the heathens worship and sacrifices if wee looke not upon their abuses as Paul doth in Rom. 1. The same I answer to his 5. exception of their opinions and errours Take away the errours of actions and what fault can we finde with any 6. If the Romish baptisme be a lye in the right hand of all that receive it then of infants then also in their own right hand that were baptised there Not to speak of the Martyrs c. Ans. There is no respect of persons with God Bee they old or yong better or worse syn is syn in all Though Gods grace in Christ purgeth syn from his elect which remaineth in the reprobates His 7. 8. and 9. exceptions are vain and repetitions of former things without conviction If Bellarmine or any speak truth wee may speak it with them so Paul speaketh with the heathen Poets Tet. 1. 12. 13. Act. 17. 28. 10. Jf they mean the true sacraments in Christs Church seale not up to Gods people forgiveness of sinns it is an errour if they meane that they doe not themselves take away sinns and conferr grace they use shifts and keep not to the poynt of the relation here spoken of and as it is appoynted to bee by the Lord himself Answ. The first I grant him and hee knew well it was not my meaning The latter I have proved that they being under Gods wrath 2. Thess. 2. have no seale from God of forgivenesse of synns in that estate And their doctrine of conferring grace by the work doen is hereticall and idolatrous which he not being able to gainsay puts it away as his manner is with a shift 11. From Gods sentence of condemnation touching Antichrist and his adhaerents they reason to Gods baptisme never condemned by the Lord but still continued in the Church and Temple of God where Antichrist sitteth Ans. Of his own mouth let him be judged Wee reason onely of Antichrist and his adherents the Whore of Babylon or adulterous church which hee sayth are condemned of God How then doth God give them the signe and seale of grace forgivenesse of synns Gods baptisme wee condemne not neither our Lords Supper but Antichrists Christening and Masse we deny to be Christs baptisme and supper Hee still beggeth the question which he should prove And let him take away Antichrist and his adhaerents and the church of Rome whereof we reason wil be vanished as smoke and come to nothing as take away Christ and his adhaerents so there will bee no Christian Church nor sacraments to be found 12. From the brasen serpent which was but a temporary and extraordinary signe the use whereof was ceased when it was thus perverted c. they reason to baptisme which is an ordinary signe whose use still continueth and may never be taken away or destroyed to the end of the world Ans. We reason not from the one to the other but by the abuse of the one we shew the abuse of the other And what is this in him but a shift to plead the temporarinesse of that signe For if they had burnt incense to it in the wildernesse or if they had burnt incense to the Cherubims or brazen Bulls or pillars which were continued signes they had made idols of them nevertheless Otherweise the wheaten god in the Popish supper is no idol seeing the use of the Lords Supper continueth to the worlds end as well as baptisme And hitherto of the shifts as he calleth them wherein how he hath shifted in sted of answering by the word of truth the wise reader may see Like these are his catalogue of Errours 1. That the baptisme had in the church of Rome is an idol c. Ans. 1. This is proved by the 2. commandement Exod. 20. whiles they ascribe divine honour to the creature 2. It is proved also by his owne assertion that bookes of prayer read for prayer are idols as before I shewed from his words in his last book 3. He sheweth not one word to prove it an errour in me but sayth Of which more hereafter Thus vain tantologies are his arguments to oppose the truth which he calleth Errour 2. That whereas idols are of two sorts both the kinds are in Popish baptisme Jf it be as the brazen serpent that from an holy signe was perverted to an idol it should presently be destroyed as 2. King 18. 4. Answ. I deny his inference If they had burnt incense to the Temple should it have been destroyed The brazen serpent was named but for an instance to shew that holy signes may be made idols by wicked men This doctrine hee being not able to convince leaveth it and would evade by the destroying of it As if all idols must bee destroyed The heathens made idols of the Sun Moon Starrs Beasts Fishes Mountaines Lakes c. Must all these therefore be destroyed If men make an idol of their King as did the Babylonians Dan. 6. 7. must the King presently be destroyed whoever heard of such divinity That which hee addeth of the Popes crossings exorcismes c. is before answered for he sayth Our question is of the baptisme it selfe as if those were not a part of Popish baptisme He would have wicked mens actions separated from all their synns errours and wickednes in doing them So in deed I could justifie all idolatry in the world for take away the errour and syn of an action and that which remaineth must needs be good 3. They say not they have renounced the abuses and kept the baptisme it selfe c. but say they have renounced that Romish baptisme as an impure idol in their abuse If they have in deed so doen then here again is notable errour and Anabaptistry And now then what outward baptisme have they remaining to themselves Ans. Neither doth Solomon say the abuse of the wickeds sacrifice is an abomination and except the sacrifice as holy but he sayth expresly The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord Prov. 15. 8. He was answered before to his two baptismes outward and inward that the Apostle and elsewhere himselfe maketh but one baptisme Eph. 4. 5. And the outward part thereof we reteyne as now sanctified to us of God as the outward cutting of the idolatrous Israelites was to them that repented 2. Chron. 30. Ezr. 6. 21. which again he putteth off till afterwards 4. Note also that the brazen Serpent was not in deed an idol but an holy ordinance of God which in time came to be idolatrously abused c. Ans. He sayth all things but proves nothing It was in deed an idol and an holy ordinance idolatrously abused also These things stand well together The Sun was in deed an idoll to them that worshiped it and yet it was