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A04901 A confutation of monstrous and horrible heresies, taught by H.N. and embraced of a number, who call themselues the Familie of Loue by I. Knewstub. Seene and allowed, according to the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions. Knewstubs, John, 1544-1624. 1579 (1579) STC 15040; ESTC S108097 192,800 286

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there is no lewdenes nor frowardnesse in them they are al plaine to him that wil vnderstand streight to him that would finde knowlege Which thing also is confirmed in the last verse of the Prophet O sea wherevnto accordeth Augustine Diuinitus visum est vt sacra oracula simplici perspicuo exararentur dictionis genere ne praetendere quisquā possit nihil a se in illis intelligi It was thought good vnto almighty God that the Scriptures shoulde be penned in a simple and plaine kinde of speache least any man might pretende that hee coulde vnderstande nothing in them And in the same place hee speaketh yet more playnely vnto the same ende in these woordes Modus ipse dicendi quo sacra Scriptura contexitur ea quae aperta sunt quasi amicus Familiaris sine fuco ad cor loquitur indoctorum atque doctorum ea vero quae in mysteriis occultat nec ipse eloquio superbo eregit quo non audeat accedere mens tardiuscula inerudita quasi paupet ad diuitem sed inuitat omnes humili sermone quos non solum manifesta pascat sed etiam secreta exerceat veritate hoc in promptis quod in reconditis habens sed ne apertè fastiderentur eadem rursus operta desiderantur desiderata quodāmomodo renouantur renouata suauiter intimantur Augustine affirmeth in these woordes that the fourme of speaking with the Scripture vseth euen in the parables and darkest places thereof creepeth so lowe vppon the grounde that not onely an vnlearned man but euen a dull heade may reache vnto it And touching the matter conteyned in those parables and darke speaches hee affirmeth it to be no other then that which is in plaine wordes deliuered elsewhere in the Scripture neither hath the holie Ghost any other meaning in speaking that darkely and in parables which before was deliuered in plaine speache as hee saith but to keepe contempt from the woorde which through our corruption continuall plainnesse and familiaritie casteth vppon it and that we might so bring a newe and fresh desire and appetite vnto the same thing which in an other forme commeth as it were a newe and freshe vnto vs. Now as for H N. hee is farre from this lowe stile that creepeth in the most difficult matters vpon the grounde for when hee is the lowest most neere vnto vs he is at the least soaring in the middle region of the ayre and verie often a man shall not meete with him no not if hee were rapte into the thirde heauen so mysticall is his meaning Whereby we may easily see and perceiue that H.N. is not guided and conducted with that spirite who hath penned the Scriptures in so playne and simple a stile as inuiteth euen the simplest sort to resort thither As H.N. doth imitate ancient Heretiks in Allegories so doeth he likewise in his darke and straunge forme of spelaking Marcitae a kinde of Heretikes whō Augustine maketh mencion of in his booke of heresies who affirmed themselues to be perfect and wherein H. N. is a faithfull follower of them denied the resurrection of the bodie did with a darke and straunge stile so astonie the simple people that woondering at the matter because it was aboue their capacitie they yeelded vnto it as vnto an oracle lately come from heauen Touching the stile which the first Authour thereof one Marcus vsed thus I finde it written Obscurissime quibusdam verborum tanquā mysteriorum inuolucris vtens loquebatur de Deo vt stuperent audientes homines potius quam intelligerent Hebreae quoque linguae fuit peritus itaque vocabulis Hebraeis Graecis hominibus exoticis deliria sua tegebat He did speake darkely and vsed such a wrapping kinde of woordes that the hearers were rather astonied with the strangenes of the words then edified with any vnderstanding they had of the meaning therof and his heresies and doating dreames he couered with Hebrue Greeke words among thē who were ignorāt of of these tongues Who seeth not here the playne picture of H. N. both in the darkenesse of his writing and in the making of al his misteries w are coyned by a certain foolish doting deriuation of names from the Hebrues The Libertines likewise had a picked kinde of speache which one thing that worthie instrument in Christ his Church Master Caluine did so mislike of as being an infallible note of iugling and craftie conueying that hee willeth al men to cut them of here at the first eyther to haue them leaue their pedlars Frenche speaking playnely and simply as the Scripture doeth or else to let them talke vnto themselues as men not meete to haue any audience among those schollers who haue bene trayned vp in the playne and simple teaching of the Scriptures FINIS A Confutation of the doctrine of Dauid George and H. N. the father of the Familie of loue By M. Martyn Micronius Minister of the woorde in the Dutche Churche at London vnder Edward the vi of blessed memory King of England taken out of his booke concerning holy assemblies whiche hee wrote in Latine a litle before his death at Nord in East Freeslande which also afterwards M. Nicholas Carinaeus set foorth publiquely in printe certaine thinges being added vnto it translated woorde for woorde into Englishe IT is not fayth but a certaine faithlesse and arrogant falling awaye from GOD and a meere deceipt of the Deuil to faine that Idolatrie superstition and outwarde vices are free and pure vnto them which vnder the pretence of a certaine fayth and inwarde puritie boast that they knowe no sinne in the heart Into which gulfe of execrable errour are fallen not onely those which are commonly called Libertines and those that follow Dauid George who reiecting Iesus Christ foolishly fained vnto him selfe a certaine immortalitie in this earth which he hoped to purchase with the sword for those that were his but in vaine they beeing already dead buried but also those euyll Chickens which are hatched of that euyll egge who this daye deceiue the worlde vnder the amiable title of a certaine peace gloriyng that they haue founde the house and region of loue in which all differences of good euil being taken away al things besides loue are free Out of which house of peace they feine it lawfull for theirs to goe into the regions of the worlde and as they say safely to goe through them which is that they may colourably and dissemblingly applie thēselues to the manners wordes and deedes of al other men which yet belong not to that house of peace Heereof it commeth that they mocke in their minds and contemne all separation from the impure sacrifices and ceremonies of the Romish Churche and so consequently all waightie profession of any religion and outwardly ioyne them selues to all religious and wicked factes vnlesse they bee witheld from thence through the feare of daunger or some hope of commoditie But howe execrable this errour is
of the Actes of the Apostles touching the holy ghost appearing in clouen tongues like fire was nothing else but the appearing of this his Christ after the spirit These are his wordes touching this matter His disciples therefore were mindfull of all this and what he had said vnto thē remained within Ierusalē waiting cōcordably with supplication praier for the promises of the father vntil that christ after the spirit appeared vnto them out of the heauenly being The subtiltie of that ancient enimie vnto mankind may here euidently be seene for albeit heauē be not further distant frō the earth then the meaning of H.N. is from the truth of the doctrine set forth in this cōmon Creede these articles of our belief yet to colour his craft withall he keepeth him to the same words which the church vseth professing the christ rose the third day frō the dead saue that he interlaceth some odde words which cannot wel be discerned but by thē that are well acquainted with his bookes vnder the which he conueyeth all his corrupt doctrine Here hee sayeth that the God of Abrahā hath raysed vp this his sonne Iesus hauing relation in these wordes this his sonne vnto that Christ which he describeth And likewise when he affirmeth that Christ rose euen so the thirde day from the dead by this speach euen so hee caryeth vs from the resurrection in the fleshe vnto the rising in the spirite according as himselfe hath imagined of the matter and yet is hee content to make mencion of the thirde day as if there were no ill meaning in the man when as indeede this rising the thirde day must bee euen so as hee meaneth that is nothing so as the truth is Where the scripture affirmeth that Christ appeared in the flesh after his resurrection vnto his disciples and shewed vnto them his handes and his side and that hee willed Thomas who had affirmed he woulde neuer beleeue his resurrection vnlesse hee shoulde put his finger into the print of the nayles and his hande into his side to put his finger where the nayles had beene and his hande into his side H.N. to mainteine his doctrine of the resurrection in the spirite affirmeth that he shewed vnto his disciples nothing else but the victorie ouer sinne death deuil and hell as if he had declared vnto them howe by his suffering passion he came by the victorie ouer sin death the deuil and hell to the ende they might follow him in the same footesteppes and so become partakers of the like victorie with him Which thing in plaine woordes hee professeth in the next Section Heere he setteth foorth the matter not altogither so plainely and yet clearely enough to him that is anie thing acquainted with his subtile writing and craftie manner of speaking These bee his woordes in this place Hee appeared or made manifest him selfe to his friendes which loued him shewing vnto them thorowe his suffering and death of the Crosse the victorie ouer the sinne death deuill hell the fleshe and the worlde What plainer proofe can be brought not onely that Christ did rise in the fleshe but also that he rose in the same flesh wherein he suffered then this euen now alledged out of the Gospel after saint Iohn for the Apostles see his handes and his side Thomas putteth his finger into the place where the nayles had beene and his hande into his side which thing H. N. shall neuer bee able to wipe away by any mystical interpretation whatsoeuer inasmuch as our Sauiour Christ reproouing the want of fayth in Thomas and that he was so hardly led to beleeue his resurrection before his senses were satisfied sayth vnto him Thomas because thou hast seene me thou beleeuest blessed are they that haue not seene and haue beleeued In the second of the Actes saint Peter proueth that Christ must be raised vp concerning the flesh and bee set vpon the throne of his father and that he should not bee left in the graue neither should his flesh see corruption and that Dauid long before as he was a prophet did both foresee foretel this therfore seeing he was a prophet knew that God had sworne with an othe to him that of the fruit of his loines he wold raise vp christ cōcerning the flesh to set him vpō his throne he knowing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ that his soule should not be left in graue neither his flesh shuld see corruptiō This testimony of the apostle cannot agree with H. N. his Christ For his flesh must necessarily bee left in the graue and see corruption because when his Christ after the fleshe is dead hee neuer resumeth or taketh vnto him againe that estate but as hauing for euer done with it riseth vp in the spirite and continueth in the same being for euer after an illuminate elder who neither can erre in iudgement nor offend anie more in conuersation So that death or the graue do still keepe that possession or power which once they had of his flesh neither will he that they yeelde it vnto him anie more againe As for the true Christ it was impossible for death to keepe and continue that holde which once it had of him as appeareth in the Actes The Lord if it be his good will giue this Familie to see what a Christ H. N. hath brought vnto them that they refuse no longer the true Christ and onely comfort of all Christians for this miserable Christ whome the graue hath closed vp and holdeth all that euer it had of him For their Christ after the spirite was neuer in the graue and their Christ after the fleshe by H. N. his owne testimonie doeth neuer arise after that once he hath beene in the graue How shall these men bee euer able to gette out at the doores of death when their Christ and Captaine is yet groping and to this day hath not founde the gate that leadeth out of the graue H.N. Wee confesse that no man can become partaker with all the holie ones of God and beleeuers of Iesus Christ of the resurrection of Christ nor of the resurrection from the dead or yet rise vp with the holie ones of God and Christ but such as indeuour themselues in the beliefe vnder the obedience of the loue of Iesus Christ to become implanted into Christ the gracious worde of the Lorde and euen so then to die with Christ in his like death as also to lay away slay and burie through the death of his crosse the sinne in the flesh whereby they may euen so out of the second birth from the dead become renued in the spirit of their minde in Iesus Christ For therethrough wee all obteine and enioy in the vpright righteousnesse and holinesse which GOD esteemeth the making aliue from the dead namely with all the righteous and holie ones of God in the day of the