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A79520 An answer to a book which Samuel Eaton put up to the Parliament: which he saith he is a teacher of the Church of Christ, heretofore meeting at Ducken-field, now at Stockport in Cheshire; and he cals the title of his book Quakers confuted. Moses who was a judg quaked and trembled, David a king in Israel quaked and trembled, and Solomon who was a king trembled, and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled, ... And these heard the voice of God, and thou that writest, thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them; for he that is against them, is against us, and he that is against us, is against them, for the same power is witnessed; but thou Eaton, who saith thou art a teacher of the church at Duckenfield, who saith thou hast heard the voice of the living God, and that such a voice as this, as comes immediately from God, you have not heard, ... And Isaiah saith, hear the word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his word; and this is the man that I do regard, saith the Lord, that is of a contrite heart, and trembleth at my word; but such Eaton and his church doth not regard, but custs out friends of the Lord from them, whom the world calls Quakers. Camm, John, 1604?-1656. 1654 (1654) Wing C389; Thomason E735_9; ESTC R206969 38,921 53

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An Answer to a Book WHICH SAMVEL EATON Put up to the PARLIAMENT Which he saith he is a Teacher of the Church of Christ heretofore meeting at Duckenfield now at Stockport in Cheshire And he cals the Title of his Book QUAKERS CONFUTED Moses who was a Judg quaked and trembled David a King in Israel quaked and trembled and Solomon who was a King trembled and Daniel a servant of the most high God trembled and Jer. the Lords Prophet his bones shaked and Habak a Prophet of the Lord his lips quivered and his belly shoke and Paul a Minister made by the will of God trembled and Job the servant of the most high God who saw God trembled And these saw God and many other of our Witnesses vve might bring And these heard the voice of God and thou that writest thou mayest say thou hast confuted all them for he that is against them is against us and he that is against us is against them for the same power is witnessed b●t thou Eaton who saith thou art a Teacher of the Church at Duckenfield who saith thou hast not heard the voice of the living God and that such a voice as this as comes immediately from God you have not heard and such an inspiration as this you have not received nor do you wait for it And Isaiah saith Hear the Word of the Lord all ye that tremble at his Word and this is the man that I do regard saith the Lord that is of a contrite heart and trembleth at my Word but such Eaton and his Church doth not regard but custs out friends of the Lord from them whom the world calls QUAKERS London Printed for Giles Calvert at the black Spread-Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1654. To the Reader WEe hearing of a Paper which was sent to a Member of a Church as they call it at Duckenfield or that ways of which one Eaton is the Pastor and in that Paper we find many slanderous speeches and false accusations against us whom the world scornfully calls Quakers So the Paper being sent to us we seeing many lies and false reports we wrote some things to the paper to clear our selves from lies and slanders And that generation which ever doth lye and slander and sent it back to the Church as they call it and certain Queri●s to be answered For had the Church or the Pastor of it as they call it sent the Paper to us it had been honest but writing to others not sending to us we see the deceit that would slander the innocent privily but to us it is none because it doth not touch us And the said Church and Eaton which the Queries were sent to have writ forth a Book and sent to the Parliament and so not sent it to us Let all people take notice if here be not pride and hypocrisie Had they sent it to us it had been honest and in it we find much wresting of the Scripture multitudes of conceivings and consequences and contradicting Christs words and Gods words which were spoken forth by his Prophets as hereafter shall be made appear An Answer to a BOOK Entitled The QUAKERS CONFUTED A Reply to the Answers of some Queries in a Book entitled the Quakers confuted set forth by Samuel Eaton a Teacher of the Church of Christ as he saith heretofore meeting at Duckenfield now at Stopworth in Cheshire which was directed to the Parliament of this Nation sitting at Westminster To them I find much flattering and crouching but under whose tongue there is venome under a colour as contending for the faith which he knows nothing of and them that do will trample his dirty stuff under their feet and the said Eaton under a colour would make people believe he appears for God and Christ yet his intent is to persecute and incense and provoke people to wrath against those people he calls Quakers but the Lord is their defence and heard such in all Ages as in the dayes of Isaiah David and the rest who were of a contrite and humble spirit and t●embled at his word which the Lord would not despise but regard but the world would not but despise as Eaton and the world doth now Object O Eaton thou lyar Doth Paul and Christ compare them that trembled at the Word of the Lord as wolves and Satan transforming himself into an Angel of light and so into Ministers of Righteousness Reply O thou lyar Doth Satan transform himself into Ministers of Righteousness Here I charge thee in the Presence of the Lord to be a lyar and perverts the Apostles words they may transform them as the Ministers of Righteousness but not into Ministers of Righteousness and this is thy Quakers confuted Object And thou sayest that John makes them all Antichrists Reyly This shall stand for thy own condition who doth oppose Christ as thou declares in this Book and as touching Satans transforming himself into an Angel of light this is thy own condition and into the Ministers of righteousness as thou sayest here thou hast uttered forth thy lyes And on touching Christs call ng them wolves that is thy own condition who art making war against the Lambs of Christ and be silent and slander thou not the Church of Christ he need not have an outward power to maintain it that is dispersed abroad in this Land which doth torment thee for its the pillar and ground of truth Object Which sows much corrupt seed Reply This is thy own condition as thou hast shewed in this Book but that which thou calls corrupt is the Seed of God and God will judge thee for thy blasphemy who art in errour In this Book thou hast sown thy corrupt seed Object Doctrine of Seducers Reply This is thy own condition for such practises we do abhor and how fain wouldest thou raise a persecution and shew your selves zealous of his glory in these things and saith the Lord will bless you hence-forward And the Magistrate is for praise to good works and a terrou● to evil works then will it take hold upon thee thou envious man who art seeking after blood as all thy generation did Object Whereof thou art accusing Apostacy from the true God from the true faith and from the true word Reply This is thy own condition Object And thou sayest If there be sorcery and familiarity with the Devil to be found among a people who challenge propriety in God Reply This is thy own condition for them whom thou calls Quakers doth own the true faith and true Christ and true God and denys all such filthy things Object First thou accusest them and saith That it is held forth much of their doctrine and practises concerning revelations and immediate voyces and against the holy Scriptures Christs Ministers Church and Ordinances Reply And these are all lies for Revelations we own according to the Scriptures and immediate voyces Christs Ministers Church and Ordinances we own according to the Scriptures And O man lay thy hand upon
your preaching tend thither and you say you do not preac● that Christ which you have seen with your bodily eyes for Christ is in heaven and not in earth not any other that lives upon earth hath heard of him and seen him Rep. O thou dark Sot Does any see Christ with their carnal eyes and know him Was it not said to the Apostle that flesh and bloud had not revealed it unto him w●en he said Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God and from this Revelation thou hast cleared thy self Ob. And thou sayest That Christ is in heaven and not in earth Rep. And here thou hast cleared thy self to be a Reprobate Ob. And thou sayest How shall they preach except they be sent Rep. And before thou denied'st as hearing any voice from heaven and denied immediate inspiration and how dost thou exalt Christ and knows him not and the framing of a Christ shall stand for thy own condition who art without and Saul seeing Samuel indeed saw the Devil and talked with him and had fellowship with him but saw not Samuel Ob. And thou sayest You do not give your assurance but you conceive Rep. Let all people see if thy preaching be not phancy and no assurance and to be scattered among the proud who live in their imaginations and conceivings and hast cleared thy self from the eternal Spirit and canst give no testimony of that which was from the beginning Ob. And thou sayest Thou givest not thine own assurance but you conceive and speak of the Apostles assurance Rep. Let the Apostles assurance alone for that we own who wi●ness assurance but deny thy conceivings Query 10. Whether you have this word which was from the beginning and this Life manifest unto you which was to the Apostl●s and if it be why do you take a text from the Letter and preach from it and shew the people that letter Ans And thy answer is Th●s Word and this Life which is Christ made manifest in the flesh and thou sayest The design in this question is to draw all persons from all that is written to depend upon an unwritten word something within them the word from the beginning and is the Life and is manifest as they gave it out Rep. This word is owned among them you call Quakers which was from the beginning which all the Apostles spoke from which is immediate which thou hast cleared thy self from and shews that thou hast nothing but the letter which is death and feeds people with that Object And thou sayest this sort of men which hath the immediate word doth the divel shew his spite spleen and malice against the holy Scriptures Rep. Here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar and in that state thy self for where the immediate word is which was in the beginning which gave forth the Scriptures it owns every tittle of it again and many Scriptures hast thou wrested for the taking of a Text which Christ and the Apostles spoke of the fulfilling of the Scriptures and shewed the fulfilling of the Scriptures and to bring men to Christ out of the letter into that thing the letter speaks of that they might not live in the oldness of the letter but in the newness of the spirit Ob. And thou sayest you take a text because the whole w●ll of God and mind of Christ is left you in letters which is now left us in words and letters in the Evangelists and Apostles writings and so you take a text from the letter and if the Gospel be hid it is hid from you that are lost whom the God of the world hath blind●d the mind of them that believe not Rep. Here thou speak'st thou know'st not what for if all should have been written which Christ spoke forth the world could not contain the books that might have been written of him and many could speak of his word but had not his mind therefore they persecuted him as thou dost and there thou shewest thy self to be him whom the God of the world hath blinded the mind who hath the letter of the Gospel but not that which it speaks of the Gospel the glad tydings the Son that was given but that is without thee and the letters of it thou hast but not the Gospel Object And thou sayest Saints do not as yet see Christ and yet Abraham saw his daies Rep. What confused stuff is this that comes out of thy bo●tle these are thy Saints which do not see Christ and how dost thou exalt him The Saints witness Christ in them the mystery the hope of glory but thou hast cleared thy self from this Christ from this mystery from this hope of glory to be a Reprobate and an Anti-christ and from the faith of Abraham Query 11. And shew me where the Prophets did take a text and preach from it but only Christ read a place and said it was fulfilled who said he was anoynted to preach and which of you can witness you are anoynted to preach by the living God yea or no Ans And in thy answer to this Query thou speak'st whom God calls out to be to the body in place of eyes to guide and direct them and before you denyed as hearing any such voyce as from God Reply Here all people may see thy folly and thou dost not say that you are anointed to preach by the living God or how canst thou who hast denyed his voyce or immediate inspiration Obj. And thou sayest the Prophets did take no text but laid the foundation Reply And here thou hast cleared thy self from the Prophets Christ the Foundation and though Christ did read who fulfilled the Prophets who prophesied of him and Moses who wrote of him for he was the substance and the end and though they had Synagogues and Temple and Sabbath Day to read Moses the Law and the Prophets When Christ was come and sacrificed up and who believed and received him had received the end of the Law the end of the Prophets and the end of the Sabbath and they went into the Synagogues shewing the people the substance of what they had read and to bring them of the Temple the Sabbath days and observing of times which in all thy words thou clearest thy self from that life and doctrine but would keep people in observing of days and times and places and so shews thy self in the dark generation living long in a text and not witnessing it fulfilled as Christ did Obj. And thou sayest Christ might have discoursed of a subject many months who came to fulfil what was written of him Reply Here you would make Christ like thy self who art unlearned discoursing with thy carnal mind upon that which was given forth by an Eternal Spirit who art for death and destruction Quer. 12. Tell me why you sing Davids Conditions and Experiences in Moeter and when you read them hats you put on and when you sing them hats you put off Ans And thy
for utter c●nfusion and d●struction and that which thou sayest thou hast confu●ed shall confound thee and thy gene●ation and all who are in the l●ght may see thy pride and hypocrisie And as thou sayest Our speech bewrayeth us but it is made manifest to all who is in any measu e e●lightened that thy sp●ech bewrayeth thee what generation then and art of which never heard the voyce o● God that thou knows not the Spirit of God where it is mad● man fest neither art thou guided by the light of thy conscience but art warring for the Devil against the Lamb and ●he Saints but the Lamb shal● get the victory over such beasts and false prophets as thou art Prayses be to our God the living God for evermore And so grace and peace be mul●iplied among all those that love the Lord Jesus Christ A Reply to a Book which is full of lies and slanders set forth by Higgison a Priest in Westmerland which he writ against the Northern Quakers as he calls them FIrst Thou gives an Epistle to the CHRISTIAN READER Reply O how dar'st thou mention Christians who appears so openly to be an enemy to them For when one Thomas Holme came to thee to speak to thee in the Steeple-house he was cruelly beat and his clothes rent and torn and set in the stocks and this was by thy Church as thou calls it and is this thy conferring with Christians And thou sayest in thy Epistle Thou would'st not have the Government of this Nation to read thy Book not as lying lines And how hast thou proved thy self to be a lyar in thy own Congregation who saith you do not persecute and besides hundred of places more I might mention where they have been and are daily imprison●d and stockt And in thy seventh Page to thy Book thou gives to the Reader a story of one Fox as going to a Gentlemans house in Cumberland with one or two more men and one of the house came to them and asked to know their business and they asked if the Gentleman of the house was within and called him by name O Higgison thou lyar and slanderer I charge thee to mention that mans name which him which thou calls Fox as thou sayest went to in Cumberland him that thou calls Fox had not been in Cumberland then And here I charge thee ●n the presence of the living God to be a lyar who art a publish r of lyes who art impudent and brazen and hardened in thy deceit And thou sayest the Gentleman took them aside and they told him they were sent to him from God Reply And as for the Gentleman's taking him that thou calls Fox aside it is a lye and a slander there was never no such thing And as for saying that he heard a voice that is ano her of thy lyes and slanders And as he whom thou calls Fox calling for a little water at the Gentlemans house Thou lyar here I charge thee to be a lyar again he was never there And as for him thou calls Fox going to an Ale-house and desiring the host to provide meat O thou slanderer and lyar here I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be no Minister of Christ but in iniquity And let the Gentleman in Cumb●rland witness against thee And le● th● Reader of thy Book read with a single eye and he will see it is come out of the generation of lyars a●d will be ashamed that ever such as thou should be mentioned to be a Min ster of Jesus Christ who sued one of thy hearers for two-pe●ce And Higgison who art for destruction in the lake that burns where the portion of all lyars is to that in thy conscience I speak which shall be a witness against thee and condemn thee Here are more of thy lyes and slanders that thou casts upon him whom thou calls Fox And th u P●iest Higgison saith that he cr●pt into the Countrey whom thou calls Fox O thou lyar and slanderer thy Book is nothing but lyes and slanders and flatteries let all the Country witness against thee to be a lyar who art the envious man that art sowing thy seed but thy seed is seen and known And O thou Higgison thou filthy lyar and slanderer of him whom thou calls Fox in the eighteenth Page that thou gives to the Reader as a filthy lying slander which shall turn upon thy self the earth may open and swallow thee up quick Thou sayest that some Person of quality brought this thy lying story to Kendal which thou hast caused to be put in print and told what disorder he had caused in the Country and here thou envious man art sowing thy wicked seed lyes and slanders who art one of the Devils servants but thou art discovered and shalt proceed no further as in thy Book thou hast declared thy self to be more openly known then thou was before though thou was known to the children of light before And thou Higgison saith He was in a certain house together with many of his Disciples thou slanderer who makes di●●urbance in the Country and so this shall return upon thy self And another lying story thou tells of the Devils discovering him to be of his Vessel and Agent and which caused many of his followers to desert him as he was speaking in a certain house procur●d Foxes apprehension and imprisonment in Nottingham Castle till he ran away with his Keeper O thou slanderer and lyar who art of the Devil and for the Lake they in Nottingham Town and Shire will witness against thee he that was with his Keeper whom thou calls George Fox was the Sheriff He was kept at his house And of saying he was taken at a house and carried to prison to Nottingham Castle these are slanders and lyes and they in Nottingham will witness thee to be a Minister of the Devil who ministers lies Thou Priest Higgisson O thou impudent Him that thou calls George Fox as saying he run away with his Keeper from Nottingam Castle they all in Nottingam Town will witness again thee to be a lyar and slanderer And him that thou calls George Fox was hayled out of a Steeple-house to prison for speaking to a Priest of thy generation who spake lyes as thou dost And here thou Higgisson I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be a lyar who art a vessel for Satan to dwell in And thou lyar and slanderer who saith he was accused for sorce●y but sorcery is thy own for he is of God and in him is no gu●le but upright godly and a just man and innocent And thou Higgisson hast written forth many lyes and stories and fables and so shews thy self to be one of those that the Prophet prophesies of who art given up to follow fables and lyes who hath uttered forth thy lying stories but thou and a●l thy lyes are for the lake that burns and the fi e and the pit eternally and the