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A78118 Certain queries, propounded to the churches of Christ; and all that fear God, and love the appearing of King Jesus Barber, Edward, d. 1674? 1650 (1650) Wing B692A; ESTC R230844 19,314 16

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some Prophet and some Evangelists and some Pastors and Teachers And whether as the false church is rejected and the true erected the false Ministerie be not to be forsaken and the true received and consequently false Baptisme renounced and the true assumed According to Ier. 51.6 to the 10. The Lord hath brought forth our righteousnesse come and let us declare in Zion the Work of the Lord our God And 2 Cor. 6.17 Wherefore come out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord and touch no unclean thing and I will receive you compared with Revelat. 18.4 Come out of her my people pertake not of her sinnes and that ye receive not of her plagues Quere 17. Whether Abraham had not a carnall or temporall covenant made to his carnall seed the Promise being of carnall or temporall things sealed to them with a carnall seal Gen. 17.13 Also a second or new covenant made with him and his Spirituall seed concerning spirituall things even the kingdome of grace and glory Hebrews 8.7 to the 12 whereof the Holy spirit of Promise is the seal And thus as I conceive things are proportionable Two covenants Gal. 4.24 Two seeds verse 23 Ishmael of Abraham and Hagar which typed the carnall seed And Isaac of Abraham and Sarah which typed the Spirituall seed These had likewise two Seales Circumcision Gen. 17.11 and the Holy spirit of promise 2 Corinth 1.22 Ephesians 1.13 1 John 4.13 But now under the Gospell the carnall Commandement together with the subject is done away by the crosse of Christ 2 Coloss 14. Blotting out the hand-writing of Ordinances that was against us which was contrary to us and took it out of the way nayling it to his crosse And infteed thereof we have a spirituall covenant typed by the carnall Also the Spiritual seal the Holy spirit of Promise signified by the carnall seal likewise a Spirituall Infant a new born Babe in Christ in whom Christ typed by the male is newly formed signified by the carnall Infant These had also two states and conditions promised the naturall seed the Land of Canaan Genesis 17.8 but the Spirituall seed the Kingdome of Heaven Genesis 17.19 Romans 9.7 8. Galatians 3.7 8 9. Romans 2.7 Mark 10.30 And whether the Admission of Children to Baptisme and so into Church-fellowship by anothers faith either Parents or Godfathers and Godmothers as they call them be not contrary to the Scriptures Which cleerly shewes that men are saved by their own faith and not by the faith of others Habakuk 2.4 Romans 1.17 Hebrews 10.38 John 1.12 13. and 3.3.5 2 Cor. 5.16 17. Quere 18. Whether it may not be said of Infants sprinkling as at the mariage of England and Scotland Where every one is charged to examine themselves as they will answer at the day of judgement If they know any cause why they may not lawfully be joyned together then to speak Because such as are joyned together otherwise then Gods Word doth allow are not joyned together by God neither is their Matrimonie lawfull So of Infants Baptisme or Sprinkling it may be said That those that are baptised or rather sprinkled otherwise then Gods Word doth command Matthew 28.19 20 were never baptised into CHRIST Galathians chapter the third verse twenty seven Neither is their Baptisme lawfull Ephesians chapter four verses four and five There is one Body and one Spirit even as yee are called in one hope of your Calling one LORD one Faith one Baptisme Quer. 19. Whether under the Gospel the Church and Civill state bee not two distinct things as bodies or corporations Independant of themselves by Gods divine ordination as is largely shewen by Master Hancoke in the three Kingly Estates Or Light for the Ignorant That is the civill state the true Ecclesiastacall State and the false Eclesiastical state whether the 3 part or civil state which was noted in speech between Mr Selden and Master Grimstone to be but Iure Humane having power from God only over our Estates Liberties lives and that which is externall as is noted by Luther and therefore are called Fathers of our flesh Heb. 12.9 have any authothority from God to settle Religion which is Iure Divino And setled already by the Parliament of Heaven with a curse denounced against all that adde or diminish and therefore not to be altered but by the same authority and Parliament of Heaven by which it was enacted Mat 28.18 19 20. Revel 22.18.19 Qu. 20. Whether it be not a Humane Invention and not Gods Ordinance for one to go up into a pulpit and there speake an houre or more and deliver what he please without questioning by any of the Assembly though never so erronious or judging by them whose due it is or adding if truth or whether these Scriptures prove not the contrary Act. 13.16 17.11 1 Cor 14.31 32. For ye may all prophesie one by one that all may learne and all may be comforted and the spirits of the prophets are subiect to the prophets for God is not author of confusion but of peace as in all the Churches of the Saints And Pet. 14.10 As every man hath received the gift even so minister the same one to another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God And as every member that hath any gift is to administer the same for Gods Glory and the peoples good so the power of determinig is onely in the particular Church where it is done they being the freeest Independent body under heaven whose power resteth in the body not in the Officers Mat. 18.20 and 28.20 Act. 1.21 to the 26. Quer. 21. Whether the servants of Christ are not to preach by vertue of a gift given Ephes 4.8.11 being called thereunto by the Church of which they are members as Acts 13.3 And not by arts learned at the Universitie or Authority gotten from Bishops or any others And whether those priests that hinder beleevers from exercising those gifts or those books from printing which are plainly proved by Scriptures be not a part of the Four angels Revel 7.1 that hold the four winds that they should not blowe upon the earth which causeth separation when men may not deliver truth nor contradict errours the Word of God being as David saith Psal 39.3 Like a fire within the breast of his Disciples they beinig as the Lawvers that take away the key of knowledge and enter not in themselves but hinder those that are entring Luke 1152. Quere 22. Whether it can be properly said that the Ministers of Englang doe convert any to the faith of Christ and obedience of thegospel by their preaching seeing they take it for granted before they sprinkle the Infant that it is regenerate and borne Anew whereas before it was the Childe of wrath but the godfathers having profest repentance and faith and desired baptisme or having one of the parents a beleever as they now say the Minister saith he receivs the childe into the congregation of Christ
Jer. 25.13 to the 18. and Rev. 18.21 22 23 24 The Angel took up a stone like a great milstone and cast it into the Sea saying thus with violence shall that great Citie Babylon be thrown down and shall be found no more at all And the voice of Harpers and Musitians and Pipers and Trumpeters shall be heard no more at all in thee And no Craftsman of whatsoever craft he be shall be found any more in thee and the sound of a milstone shall be heard no more at all in thee and the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee and the voice of the Bridegroom and of the Bride shall be heard no more at all in thee for thy Merchants were the great men of the earth for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived and in her was found the bloud of Prophets and of Saints and of all that were slain upon the earth compared with Jude 15. 10 Whether Religion is to be fought for with carnall weapons by Believers in the first publishing the Gospell for the planting or after preserving the Churches of Christ Or if these Scriptures prove not cleerly the contrary Mat. 10.16 Behold I send you forth as sheep in the midst of Wolves be ye therfore wise as Serpents harmlesse as Doves Mat. 16.24 25 Then said Jesus unto his Disciples if any man will come after me let him deny himself and take up his crosse and follow me for whosoever will save his life shall lose it and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall finde it 2 Cor. 10.3 4 5 For though we walk in the flesh we do not warre after the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not carnall but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalteth it self against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivitie every thought to the obedience of Christ compared with Ephes 6.11 to the 19. Col 1 24 Revel 6.10 and 11.12 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimonie and they loved not their lives unto the death Their weapons as I conceive being onely Faith Preaching Prayers Sufferings and Tears Mark 16.16 2 Cor. 5.20 Now then we are Embassadours for Christ as though God did beseech you by us we pray you in Christs steed be ye reconciled unto God Ier. 9.1 and 13.17 2 Cor. 12.15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you though the more abundantly I love you the lesse I am beloved According to Eccles 9.17 The Words of Wise men are heard in quiet more then the crie of him that ruleth among Fooles Quer. 11. Whether Nationall or Parishionall Assemblies be by divine Institution Churches of Christ now under the Gospell or a humane invention and contrary to the Primitive churches practice as 1 Cor. 1.2 Unto the church of God which is in Corinth to them which are sanctified in Christ Jesus called to be Saints Ioh. 15.19 If ye were of the world the world would love his own but because ye are not of the world but I have chosen you out of the world therefore the world hateth you 1 Pet. 2 5 9 Ye also as lively stones are built up a spirituall house an holy Priest-hood to offer up spirituall sacrifices acceptable to God by Jesus Christ Vers 9. But ye are a chosen generation a Royall Priesthood an holy nation a peculiar people that you shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darknesse into his marvailous light And that some would shew how and by whom the Nationall or Parochiall Assemblies were first begun contrived or constituted Quer. 12. Whether God makes any covenant under the Gospell concerning life and salvation with any Parishionall church and their naturall seed much lesse with any Nationall which is cleer he doth with all the Saints and churches of Christ Mark 16.16 He that beleeveth and is baptised shall be saved Rom. 2.6.7 Who will render to every man according to his deeds to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory honour immortality and eternall life The contrary proved Mat. 3 7 8 9. Rom. 9.7 8. Gal. 3.6 7 8 9.27 28 29. And therefore whether practising contrary to the Scripture pretending Scripture for their doings when there is none be not as Isaiah saith seeking deep to hide their counsell from the Lord whose works are in the dark turning things upside down saying who seeth us or who knoweth us saying of him that made them he had no understanding Isaiah 29.15 16. Quer. 13. Whether the Parishionall Assemblies and the Ministerie of England have not their Constitution and calling from the Church of Rome by Austin the Monk As we humbly conceive is to be seen in the Book of Ordination dedicated to Archbishop Abbot And whether such as have their call from them be not as truly Antichristian as theirs Seeing Job the 14.4 he saith Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean not one Therefore Christ saith Math. 7.15 16 Beware of false Prephets which come to you in Sheeps clothing but inwardly they are ravening Wolves ye shall know them by their fruites Do men gather Grapes of Thornes or Figges of Thistles Even so every good Tree bringeth forth good fruit But a corrupt Tree bringeth forth evill fruit A good Tree cannot bring forth evill fruit neither can a corrupt Tree bring forth good fruit Verses the seventeen and eighteen Quer. 14. Whether any that pretend to renounce their call from the Prelates may preach as some do by vertue of their gifts as they pretend without first conversion to the Faith and obedience to the Gospell And so joyning to a church of Christ in order and by them sent forth with whom they are Members Seeing the Apostle saith Rom. 10.15 How shall they preach except they be sent And Acts 13.3 When they chose Paul and Barnabas it is said when they had fasted and prayed they laid their hands on them and sent them away Quer. 15. Whether after the Apostasie JOHN speakes of Revel 6.14 15. Heaven being rowled up as a Scrole and the witnesses being slain Chapter eleven verse the seventh to the twelfth the churches of Christ are not to be so gathered as they were first instituted by Christ and planted by the Apostles as in the first of the Corinthians the third and the 9 to the 15 and Revelat the eleventh and the first And there was given me a Reed like unto a Rod and the Angell stood saying arise and measure the Temple of God and the Altar and them that worship therein Quer. 16. Whether the Ministerie of the Gospell be not those gifts and those onely of Apostles Prophets Evangelists Pastors and Teachers which CHRIST gave at his Ascension Ephes 4.8.11 Wherefore he saith when he ascended up on high he led captivitie captive and gave gifts unto men And he gave some Apostles and