her Who I wonder shall now be thought fit to decide this Dispute She will be tried and judg'd by no other but her self for She is resolv'd to be Sole and Infallible Iudg in all Controversies of Religion That is in plain terms She will accuse us and she will leave us no room for our own Defence She will condemn us and she will not permit us to question the Iustice of her Sentence She tells us we are bound to believe her and obey her or else we must die eternally for it We desire some reason may be brought to convince us of this Duty and she tells us again she is our Supreme and Infallible Mistress and Mother and Iudg and so the Conclusion is We must believe she hath this Supreme Authority and Infallibility because she is Supreme and Infallible which we can yet see no reason to believe and therefore cannot believe and because we cannot believe it we are declared to be Hereticks and in a State of Damnation Seeing then that the Church of Rome will by no means recede from her Claim to this Supremacy and Infallibility it seems plain to me that there is no possibility of satisfying her any way whatsoever but by yielding my self up intirely to her without any farther dispute But because I cannot do this without violence to my Conscience and incurring that very Damnation which she would persuade me thereby to prevent I must of necessity leave her a while to satisfy her self about the Truth and Charity of this Doctrine as she can whilst I for my own private Satisfaction take into a very serious Consideration these two things I. Whether I can discern any solid ground to hope that I may be saved as I am now a Protestant of the Church of England II. What more hopeful way to Salvation the Church of Rome can me put into should I enter into her Communion If the result of this double Enquiry shall be that I really think my self in a fair way to Salvation where I am already and cannot discern any more hopeful way to it in the Church of Rome I must needs accout my self bound in Conscience and under the Penalty of Damnation to steer my course according to the best Light I shall be able by such a diligent and impartial Inquiry to attain unto and content my self with that Religion which seems best and safest to me till some better and safer can be found SECT I. The first thing I am to inquire into is What good ground of hope I can discern that I may be saved as I am a Protestant And here the first thing I am to consider is what I mean by the Name of Protestant as it is own'd by the Members of the Church of England and as I can heartily answer to it By a Protestant I understand no other but a Christian adhering firmly both in Faith and Practice to the written Word of God and protesting against both the Faith and Practice of the Papists and all others whatsoever so far only as they are either repugnant to the Holy Scripture in any thing or ungrounded on the same in things pretended by them necessary to Salvation Such Protestants do we of the Church of England profess our selves to be as is apparent unto all from the 6 th of our XXXIX Articles affirming That the Scriptures contain all things necessary to Salvation so that whatsoever is not read therein nor may be proved thereby is not to be required of any Man that it should be believed as an Article of Faith or be thought requisite or necessary to Salvation This is our very first Principle as we are called Protestants and such an one I do heartily profess my self neither see I yet the least cause to doubt of my Salvation whilst by the Grace of God I live answerably to this Profession For that the Protestant Religion built upon this Principle is a safe Religion is I think altogether as plain as that Christianity it self pure and unmix'd is the Way to Salvation because 't is plain that this Religion we profess holding to this Principle can be nothing else but pure and unmix'd Christianity being that and no other which is contained in the Holy Scripture Is then the holy Scripture the Word of God or not Was it given unto us of God to be the Rule of our Religion that is of our Faith Worship and holy Conversation or was it not If Bellarmine may be credited this is the Declaration of the Catholick Church both in the third Council of Carthage and also in that of Trent The Books of the Prophets and Apostles are the true Word of God and the sure and stable Rule of Life And as he shortly after adds The most sure and safest Rule Now whether it be the compleat perfect and adequate Rule as we constantly affirm or only a partial Rule or but some part of it as the Papists contend it self when diligently consulted will be best able to inform us For it is on all hands granted to be the Word of God which cannot lie and therefore unquestionably true in all things what soever it teacheth us and of those many excellent things which it very plainly teacheth its one Perfection and Sufficiency is one and for my present Satisfaction very considerable I find in the first place that God himself writ the Ten Commandments the compleat Rule of Piety and Iustice with his own Finger Exod. 31. 1 18. Deut. 9. 10. 10. 2 4. That he commanded them to be written on the Posts and Gates Deut. 6. 9. 11. 20. That Moses wrote all the Words of the Lord Exod. 24. 4. and deliver'd the Writing to the Priests to be read unto the People Deut. 31. 9. And that the King was to have by him a Copy of it for his Direction Deut. 17. 18. I find many Curses denounced against the Breakers of it Deut. 28. 58. and Blessings promised to them that keep it Deut. 30. 10. I find it was expresly forbidden to add unto it or to aiminish from it Deut. 4. 2 12 32. To turn from it to the right-hand or to the left Josh. 1. 7. And that the good Kings were careful to order all things according to it and to reform what had been amiss by it 1 Chron. 16. 40. 2 Kings 22. 13. And therefore I do not wonder to hear the Psalmist saying The Law of the Lord is perfect converting the Soul Psal. 19. 7. nor to find Isaiah sending Men to the Law and to the Testimony saying If any speak not according to this Word it is because there is no Light in them Isa. 8. 20. Again I find our Blessed Saviour himself and his Apostles after him very frequently appealing and referring their Hearers to that which had been written in the Books of Moses in the Psalms and in the Prophets They have Moses and the Prophets let them hear them saith Abraham in the Parable Luk. 16. 29. Search the Scriptures saith Christ
unreasonable or can produce no Reason for it self or is so lodged in Obscurity as it cannot be found I. I cannot leave the Communion of the Church of England and enter into that of Rome in obedience to an Authority which commands me to do things unreasonable agreeing neither with the Nature of Mankind nor with the undoubted Principles of Religion If therefore the Church of Rome require such things of me I must be a Protestant still and protest against that Authority which She pretends to And for ought I can yet see I cannot submit to her Authority but upon the hardest and most unreasonable Terms in the World. I must renounce my Reason and my Iudgment I must no longer trust my Senses I must either lay aside or learn to speak dishonourably of God's Word I must not believe a Word that God hath spoken without that Church's Leave I must embrace a Religion for which according to that Church's Principles no Reason can be given to convince me and when I have thus learn'd to do all things without Reason I must do what with Reason I can never do believe all Men whatsoever and how piously soever they otherwise live if they be not of the Roman Communion to be in a State of Damnation If I be deceiv'd in any thing of all this I shall be very glad to know it and I have only this to say for my self that they were Roman Catholicks who should know their own Religion best that have deceived me and if I may be deceiv'd by hearkening to them whom that Church sends abroad to make us Converts I shall be the less encouraged hereafter to embrace her Communion upon their Perswasions Whether all who are already of her Communion either own or know all this it concerns not me to enquire but I think it a Debt of Charity that I owe them to think till they tell me the contrary that they do not and that if they did they would not long continue where they are However till they who taught me these things shall either confess their own Error or shew me my Mistake I must needs think them all true and therefore also account it much safer for me to continue a Protestant than to turn Papist whatever it may seem or be to others First I think nothing can be plainer than that it is more safe to act like understanding and discreet considering Men than otherwise or that the Religion which alloweth Men so to do is safer than that which doth not allow it Now the Protestant Religion alloweth Men to make use of their Reason and Iudgment to discern between Truth and Falshood Good and Evil which the Roman Religion as it seems to me will not allow and therefore it must needs be the safer Religion Christ certainly came not into the World to save Sinners by destroying but rather by restoring and perfecting Human Nature His business was not to deprive us of the use of the most noble Faculty which God had given us but to rectify that and all the rest after they had been depraved by Sin. His Gospel was not preached to close up the Eye of the Soul the Understanding and so to lead Men blindfold to Heaven but to open Mens Eyes and to furn them from Darkness to Light Act. 26. 18. The Apostles preach'd to teach us how to offer unto God a Reasonable Service Rom. 12. 1. And Christ expects that his Sheep should be able to discern the voice of him their Shepherd from the voice of Strangers and avoiding them to follow him only Iohn 10. 4 5. St. Peter exhorts Men to be always ready to give a Reason of the Hope that is in them 1 Pet. 3. 15. And St. Paul bids Men prove all things and hold fast that which is good 1 Thess. 5. 21. And St. Iohn exhorts not to believe every Spirit but to try the Spirits whether they be of God 1 Joh. 4. 1. How any Man shall be able to do all this and much more which as a Christian he is obliged to do and not be allow'd the free use of his Reason and judging Faculty I am sure no Man can tell me neither indeed how he can be of any Religion at all for before he can really be of any Religion he must choose it and choose it he cannot till he have rationally consider'd and judg'd of it and of the Reasons which must move him to the choice of it And in Truth to deny a Man the free use of his Reason and Iudgment in Religion is to turn him into a Beast where he should be most a Man and either to make it impossible for him to be of any Religion at all and to serve God like a Man or else to say in effect That Christian Religion is altogether a most unreasonable thing and proper only to unreasonable Creatures Now the Writing Men of the Roman Church tell us nothing more frequently than that no private Man ought to be allow'd to judg for himself in matters of Faith that to allow this is to set the Gate wide open to all Heresies that every Man is bound to sumbit and captivate his Understanding and Iudgment to the Iudgment of the Church that is to all the Definitions of as they call it the Roman-Catholick Church Whatsoever this Church affirms we must believe to be true and whatsoever She commands we must chearfully obey seem the thing to our own private Reason never so false or never so wicked We must not dare to examine the Truth or Lawfulness of her Decrees or Determinations tho Reason and Scripture too seem to us to be against them as we have been lately taught by the Representer for as we receive from Her the Books so from Her only we are to receive the Sense of Scripture Hence it is that they define a Heretick to be one that obstinately opposeth the Sentence of the Church The Doctrines of Fathers Bellarmine some-where tells us may be examined by Reason because they teach but as private Doctors but the Church teaches as a Iudg with all Authority and therefore no Man may dispute the soundness of her Doctrine This then is the first step I must take if I will go over to the Church of Rome I must resolve to see no longer for my self with my own Eyes but give my self up to be led by the Church never questioning the Way I am to go in so long as she leads me And truly so far as I am yet able to discern with my Protestant Eyes it is but needful to close the Eye of Reason before-hand when I am about to go where I must otherwise see such things as no Reason can indure It was therefore very ingenuously spoken as I have heard of Mr. Cressy when he said that the Wit and Judgment of Catholicks is to renounce their own Judgment and depose their own Wit. Yet if this be true I must beg his Pardon if I dare not yet imitate his Example or
have the least Zeal for God's Honour I am verily oerswaded that the good Language they bestow upon the Scripture hath kept more out of their Church than ever their Arguments yet won I will not now take notice of those too well known Encomiums bestow'd upon it by some of their Communion calling it a Nose of Wax a Leaden Rule a dead Letter unsens'd Characters and I am ashamed to say what more I shall only observe what is ordinarily taught us and endeavour'd with much Art to be prov'd by their best most modest and generally approved Authors as That the Scripture is not Necessary that it hath no Authority as to us but from the Church that it is an imperfect an insufficient Rule that it is an obscure Book and finally a very dangerous one to be read by the People I know very well That the Representer and others of them tell us That the Papist believes it damnable in any one to think speak or to do any thing irreverently towards the Scripture and that he holds it in the highest Veneration of all Men living I know also that most of them even whilst they are industriously proving all that I but now said do yet labour to mollify and sweeten their own harsh Expressions which they know must needs grate the Ears of all pious Persons I am also verily perswaded that many Papists have a very venerable esteem for the Scripture and are not a little troubled to hear it reproachfully used And yet I cannot see that highest Veneration for it or that they speak not very irreverently of it who speak no worse of it than the Representer himself hath taught them viz. That it is not fit to be read generally of all without License tho he gives this very good reason for it Lest they should no longer acknowledg the Authority of the Roman Church or in his own words No Authority left by Christ to which they are to submit As tho Men might be taught by the Scripture to be disobedient to any Authority which Christ hath set up in his Church I cannot see any great Veneration he hath to the Scripture in saying They allow a restraint upon the reading of the Scriptures for the preventing of a blind ignorant Presumption or the casting of the Holy to Dogs or Pearls to Swine such too is his respect for Christians That he hath no other assurance that they are the Word of God but by the Authority and Canon of the Church That almost every Text of the Bible and even those that concern the most essential and fundamental Points of the Christian Religion may be interpreted several ways and made to signify things contrary to one another That it is altogether silent without discovering which of all those Senses is that intended by the Holy Ghost and leading to Truth and which are erroneous and Antichristian That a Man may frame as many Creeds as he pleases and make Christ and his Apostles speak what shall be most agreeable to his Humour and suit best with his Interest and find plain Proofs for all That it alone can be no Rule of Faith to any private or particular Person Certainly they who talk of the Scripture at this rate have not the highest Veneration for it of all Men living They that say and labour to prove that the Scripture is not necessary may well be supposed to think that the Church of God might do well enough without it And tho to lessen the Odiousness of this Assertion they are forced to confess it is a Lie without the help of some such mental Reservation as this So that God could not if he pleas'd preserve his Truth among Men some other way than by writing it yet doth not this speak in them the like Veneration for the Scripture as Protestants have who down-rightly affirm it to be necessary And it must needs sound ill to say That the All-wise God hath been very careful to leave and preserve in his Church an unnecessary thing Yea 't is altogether as absurd to say the Scripture is not necessary because God could if it had seem'd good to him have preserv'd his Church and Faith without it As it would be to say that Plowing and Sowing or Eating and Drinking are not necessary because God could if he pleas'd make the Ground bring forth without the one and preserve Man's Life without the other Nor can it be imagin'd that any Man upon this account only would venture to say and attempt to prove the Scripture not to be necessary in a sense wherein no Man ever affirm'd it if he were not so zealously bent upon lessening the Esteem which we have for it that he will chuse rather to say nothing to the purpose and dispute against no Body than to be silent and say nothing that sounds ill of it and that he thinks it needful for the ends of his Church so to do In like manner when they contend that the Authority of the Scripture is from the Church which is the thing whereof at every turn they are forward enough to mind us they are forced again to make some Abatements to make it seem a Truth 'T is true they say that consider'd in it self alone it hath its Authority from God whereby they can mean no more but that God is the Author of it but in relation to us it hath its Authority from the Church Now I would fain know what any Man can understand properly by the Authority of the Scripture but its relation to us or the Power it hath to command our Faith in it and Obedience to it as the Word of God. And if it have all this Power from the Church as is confidently affirm'd then tho it self be of God yet all its Authority is from the Church and it must needs be true which was said by one of them That it is of no more Authority than Livy or Aesop ' s Fables without the Churches Declaration Thus is the Authority of God's Word made to depend upon the Authority of Men and all our Faith is no more but humane Faith resting upon humane Testimony And if the Authority which it hath to oblige us be from the Church I would know by what Authority it doth oblige the Church it is not sure by any Authority from Her for then I see no reason why the Church may not chuse whether she will receive it or no whilst yet I think that it is only by the Authority of the Scripture that she can pretend to be a Church and to have any Authority at all However this I am sure of that they who say the Scripture is to be receiv'd for the Churches Sake have not so high a Veneration either for it or the Author of it as they who say it is to be receiv'd for God's Sake And in the next place whether we who say the Scripture is a perfect and sufficient Rule of Faith and Manners containing all things necessary to Salvation or they
I know not how to serve God without it Yet if I should dare to venture thus far may I now have leave to take my rest here If my dimsighted Reason help me to stumble into my Mother's lap may I yet think my self safe there Not till I have learn'd her Charity too as well as her Faith which the REPRESENTER tells us She learn'd of Christ and his Apostles Therefore Lastly I must believe that all other Christians but PAPISTS are in a state of Damnation The Decree of P. BONIFACE the VIIIth as now it stands in the common Extravagants is well known to be this We declare say define and pronounce That it is altogether of necessity to SALVATION that every Creature be subject to the POPE of ROME P. PIUS the II. in his Bull of Retractation tho he was not altogether of the same mind as it seems before whilst he was Aeneas Sylvius saith He cannot be saved that doth not hold the Unity of the ROMAN Church If so lusly a Decree and so preremptory a Declaration of two POPES be too little there is abundance more to this purpose to be met with by him that has a mind to search for it I only take notice at this time that P. LEO the X th in his Lateran Council and his Bull therein read and pass'd saith We do renew and approve that same Constitution viz. of P. BONIFACE but now mentioned the present Sacred Council also approving it And Lastly P. PIUS the IV th in his Bull wherein he confirms the Council of TRENT imposeth an Oath upon Ecclesiastical Persons wherein they swear That the HOLY CATHOLICK and APOSTOLICK ROMAN Church is the MOTHER and MISTRESS of all Churches and that this is the true CATHOLICK FAITH without which no man can be SAVED Here 's enough in all Conscience for us PROTESTANTS to hear and too much a great deal as I think for any man to believe I think my self bound in Charity to have the best Opinion I can of all men and therefore I dare not think that all they who are called ROMAN CATHOLICKS have throughly learn'd this Doctrine There seems to me to be so much of Ill-nature in it that I should think my self the worst natur'd man in the World if I could believe that any considerable numbers of them besides the Priests are guilty of it Many piously disposed Souls are not so happy as to have always the clearest Understandings or the sincerest Teachers but have better Hearts than either Heads or Guides Their Zeal is too great for both their opportunities of Learning and Patience to consider their earnestness of SALVATION a thing very laudable in them puts them into too much haste to deliberate long and gives an advantage to some who watch for it to abuse them Either a cunning JESUIT or a canting FANATICK will hope to make an easy Prey of such Persons for it matters not greatly of which sort the Tempter be whilst the Temptation is the same The Fish minds not the Fisher but the Bait Every Argument from either is edged with a mighty Zeal and Importunity and sharpned with the sinest and most penetrating Expressions of a most tender Compassion for perishing Souls SALVATION is as confidently promised as earnestly desired and whether it be to be had in the ROMANISTS Infallible Church or in the SEPARATISTS purg'd and unmix'd Congregation all 's a case when once the man is made to think it cannot be had in the Church of ENGLAND If they who are so easily Proselyted either way would take time to look before they leap and could but see into the consequents of those very Arguments which most prevail with them and are made the Traps to catch them in they would stand off a little and ask a few Questions more for their better Satisfaction before they could endure to think of entring into a Communion which would oblige them as ever they hope to be saved themselves to believe that CHRIST hath no faithful Followers upon Earth but a few Subjects of the POPE of Rome I can easily perceive by divers Books written by them who call themselves Converts that the main Motive of their going over to the ROMAN Church was this That they could not hope to be saved in any other And I find that most Arguments of late used to persuade us to that Religion look the very same way And it is this Doctrine alone that hath put me upon this Enquiry for my own Satisfaction For I must needs confess that this Doctrine which some acount so powerful a Persuasive to Popery has always with me had the quite contrary effect to what I find it hath in them and has been and is at this present to me as strong a Dissuasive from it If I can never be a PAPIST till I can believe it I am very confident I shall never be one I would leave the Church of ENGLAND the next Minute should she require of me to believe that all out of her Communion were in a state of Damnation and truly I think that most PROTESTANTS are of my mind When therefore I found the REPRESENTER in good earnest to vindicate his Church in this one Point I presently concluded that he had writ his whole Book to no purpose for let him spend all his Oyl and Colours in painting POPERY to the best advantage so long as this one Spot appears in her Face she may possibly seem in her new Dress less terrible but not one jot more lovely Having told us That no one can arrive to the true knowledg of the Catholick Faith but by receiving it as proposed and believed by the Church of CHRIST and that the ROMAN CATHOLICK is the only true Church that whosoever denies any Article of her Faith denies so much of CHRIST's Doctrine That whosoever hears Her hears CHRIST and whosoever obstinately and wilfully is separated from Her is in the same distance separated from CHRIST himself and finally That God addeth to this Church daily such as shall be saved He hath told us enough to persuade us that no PROTESTANT in the World could have done that Church a greater diskindness than he hath done nor by any Misrepresentation of her have worse Represented her When the PAPISTS are pleas'd to ask us that unanswerable Question as they account it Where was your Religion before LUTHER They wish us withal to take into our Serious Consideration the state of our Forefathers who lived and died in the Religion of the Church of ROME asking us if we dare think that they were all damn'd We need not trouble our heads with shaping an Answer to so frivolous a Question because we durst never yet be so hardy as to affirm that all are damn'd who live and die in the Communion of the Church of ROME but do openly declare to the World that tho we think our own Religion the safest yet many of that Communion have been heretofore and many also are at this day under such
her Soveraignty It will therefore concern me to ask How I may be rightly inform'd in both these great branches of her Power unto which my subjection is required upon pain of Damnation 1. She claims a Power of Interpreting or giving the certain Sense of Scripture of Iudging and finally Deciding all Controversies of Religion of peremptorily Defining and Determining in all matters of Faith and Religious Practice so that all are bound without any further dispute or search to submit to all her Determinations and Decrees INFALLIBLE then we must believe this Church to be and that she cannot Err in her Definitions of Faith and Manners And yet where this INFALLIBILITY is to be found is a Question she is not to this day able to resolve In short I find that this Infallible Church which tells us that she cannot Err when she is desired to make this apparent to the World can tell us certainly both How and in What she can Err and in this I doubt not but she is Infallible enough but who they are in all her Communion or in what things it is that they cannot err this she could never tell us certainly and yet it is this alone that can make her Infallibility if she have it to be of any use to us The REPRESENTER saith That the PAPIST believes that the Pastors and Prelates of his Church are Fallible that there is none of them and yet the POPE is one of them and COUNCILS are made up of them but may fall into Errors Heresy and Schism and consequently are subject to mistakes And further he tells us That tho some allow the POPE the assistance of a Divine Infallibility without being in a General Council yet he is satisfied 't is only their Opinion and not their Faith there being no obligation from the Church of assenting to any such Doctrine And tho he maintain the Necessity and Right of General Councils lawfully Assembled yet is it not so plain whether he count them infallible or no by what he says in that Chapter of Councils This we are told That if any thing contrary to what Christ taught and his Apostles should be defined and commanded to be believed even by ten thousand Councils he believes it damnable in any one to receive it But in the following Chapter he speaks out and says That by the Assistance of the Holy Ghost they are specially protected from all Error in all Definitions and Declarations in matters of Faith And this is true tho he grants it possible that the Pastors and Prelates there assembled may be proud ignorant covetous enormous sinners and infamous for other vices and at other times may prevaricate make Innovations in Faith and teach erroneous Doctrines Now a man would think That if all the Guides and Pastors of the Flock not one excepted may err then the Sheep which are bound to follow their Shepherds may err also and if the Fallible lead the Fallible 't is not impossible for both to err and who it is that is infallible is hard to see And again seeing he tells us That Christ committed the care of his Flock to St. Peter and that the POPE or Bishop of Rome is in this charge St. Peter ' s Successor and that God assists those who have this charge with a particular helping Grace such as has a special respect to the Office and Function and that such as was given to the Prophets and to Moses when he was made a God to Pharoah I cannot see but it must be as consequent to all this that the POPE should be Infallible as that a General Council is so especially when it is his Approbation that gives force to its Decrees Moreover it is not easy to believe that God hath made a promise of Infallible Assistance to any number of Pastors and Prelates who are no better qualified than he supposes they may most of them be with Pride Ignorance and Vice Turbulence and Covetousness and assembled it may be under an Heretical Pope for such 't is granted he may be and as vicious too and ignorant as any of them However there are two things which make it very hard to find out this Infalliblility where he sends us to seek it in a General Council For first they must be lawfully assembled and next they must determine nothing contrary to what Christ and his Apostles taught otherwise 't is damnable to receive their Determinations Now it will be hard for me to find out how lawfully they were assembled and therefore as hard to believe all their Decrees as Infallible and I fear I must not be allow'd to examine their Definitions whether they be according to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles or no lest I thereby seem to follow my own private Iudgment or Spirit rather than the Infallible Iudgment of the Church Representative This is all then that I can learn from his Discourse I must take it for a Truth that this Infallibility is lodg'd in a General Council and that it can determine nothing contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and then I need not inquire whether it have done so or no tho if it have done so 't is damnable for me to receive its Determinations But I will hear what others tell me Bellarmin saith That all Catholicks are thus far agreed That the POPE as he is POPE in the midst of his Councellors or together with a General COUNCIL may Err or Iudg amiss in matters of Fact. And if this be true he may even so err in the whole Faith as far as I can yet see for he may thus err in determining that there were such Men as Christ and his Apostles that any of them Preached planted Churches writ Books that these are their Books or that St. Peter was at ROME and was Bishop there left the Bishops of that See his Successors in all his Power that there hath been an uninterrupted Succession of Bishops in that Church that any unwritten Traditions concerning Faith and Manners were left to the Custody of the Church and many more such things which were matters of Fact and on which the Faith of that Church depends Again he saith That the POPE as a private Doctor may Err even through Ignorance in matters both of Faith and Manners And thus the Church whether Virtual or Representative may err But I would fain hear wherein she cannot Err and whether all Catholicks are agreed as well in that The famous Chancellor of Paris Gerson Almain Alphonsus a Castro the Parisian Doctors yea and no less man than P. ADRIAN the VI th saith the same Author have taught That the POPE as he is POPE may be a Heretick and teach Heresy when he desineth any thing without a General COUNCIL And truly If as a Man he may be a Heretick I see no reason why he may not be so as a POPE for I take the Man and the POPE to be here both one But further these last named will