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A08448	A tragoedie or dialoge of the vniuste vsurped primacie of the Bishop of Rome, and of all the iust abolishyng of the same, made by master Barnardine Ochine an Italian, [and] translated out of Latine into Englishe by Master Iohn Ponet Doctor of Diuinitie, neuer printed before in any language	Ochino, Bernardino, 1487-1564.; Ponet, John, 1516?-1556.	1549 (1549)	STC 18770; ESTC S113413	128,091	218

prayer For althoughe thou wilt denye me with thy mouthe yet thou wylt not deny me with thyne heart Thou wylt synne but synne shall not reygne in the so that in thy heart thou shalt yeld to noughtie temptacions I wyll suffre thee to haue a foule fall that by the meanes therof thy temerous boldnes maye be bridelled and rebuked And againe that after when thou shalt come to thy selfe and perceyue thy owne infirmitie thy hearte shall bee touched with compassion agaynst those that shall synne reysing them vp with knowledge and cōfirming and boldning them with thyne example Nowe canne I not perceyue howe it maye be proued by the wordes before rehersed that Peter was Pope and could not erre afterward neither the Byshops of Rome after hym accordyng to his example Mas. Wee shall wrythe all the wordes that euer Christe spake to Peter to make for the Popeship of Rome let vs writhe them also when Peter counseled Christ to forsake the crosse saying Saue thy self O Lorde Lepi. What aunswere then made Christ Mas. He sayed vnto hym get the out of my sighte Sathan thou troubleste me thou haste no perseueraunce of thinges belongynge to god but to manne onely it is easyto proue that Peter whas chief head of oure byshops of Rome and they hys successours takinge it of this fashion but tell for the on the disputacion I woulde fayne heare the ende of it Lepi. This embassadour of Constantinople would fayne haue brought other reasons forthe and other sayinges of scripture against our popeshippe but the Emperoure moued by oure byshope wylled hym to holde hys peace and commaunded the other imbassadours that they shoulde also saye theyr myndes Then the Embassadoure of Antioche spake in thys wise Because me thinketh it sufficientlye declared that holy scripture doeth not onely not stablishe the primacie of Peter but also seme quite contrary therunto I will speake my mynde breflye as I am commaunded neither will I bringe any moe reasons or argumentes then thys one althoughe it bee easy to fynde a number Be it that we graunted Peter to be the vniuersall byshope ordeyned of Christe ouer hys churche whiche thinge is not trewe yet muste it not therefore bee graunted that the byshoppes of Rome ought to bee popes but rather our byshoppes of Antioche oughte to be the chiefe and vniuersall byshoppes Because that our byshops and not the byshopof Rome were the successours of Peter For Peter was byshop of Antioche and so vnlykely a thynge is it that Peter was euer at Rome To this argument master Pseudologus made aunswere in the name of our pope crying out w t a loude voice vntill his sides cracked again saying Peter was here our byshop in Rome our pope .xxv. yeares together cōtinually and in this same citie was he afterwarde crucified Then Thimbasadour aunswered A prety rewarde for paynes taken in preachinge But tell me I praye you In what place of scripture fynde you that he was euer at Rome Then aunswered master Pseudologus In no place of scripture quod he But it may well be founde in our Historiographers and in many other bokes of our byshoppes and other holy menne Whereunto thimbassadoure answered Then howe knowe you by the worde of god that your byshoppes of Rome be the chiefe vniuersall byshoppes of the churche of Christe if ye haue not that in holy scripture that Peter was euer at Rome Trewely if ye intend to proue youre byshoppes to bee popes by the word of God ye muste fyrste proue by thesame worde that Peter was ordeyned of Christe the vniuersall heade of his whole churche And then must ye proue by the worde of god that Christe vndoutedly gaue the same authoritie to Peter to make the byshoppes of Rome after hym chiefe byshops by continual● succession and laste of all it muste be proued by suer authoritie of the worde of god that Peter was at Rome ▪ and byshoppe of that citie and dyed there These thinges done ye might well beleue that youre byshoppes were popes by the worde of God But there is not one of these thre thinges that ye cā proue by scripture especially the second the thyrd as ye youre selfes doe confesse Wherefore I canne not see with what face ye canne beare downe so manifest a lye Then master Pseudologus sayd We know that our byshop is pope that with a fulnes of power we knowe that he hathe receaued thys authoritie of Christe by the meanes of S. Peter and not of man wherefore we knowe him to bee pope by the lawe of god and not by the lawe of manne and we will also holde and beleue thys trueth as an article of oure faithe notwithstandinge that none of these thinges before rehersed can be proued by thauthoritie of holy scripture Then sayed thimbassadour Because wee all bee bounde to beleue the articles of our faythe as the foundacions and chiefe principles of our religion it is nedefull that they appeare moste playnly by scripture And you wyll sette fire and tormentes before the whole worlde to make men beleue that thynge whiche by your owne confession can not be proued by the authoritie of the holye scriptures Where I praye you can menne laye the foundacion of their fayth yf they be compelled to beleue and to confesse as a necessary article of their fayth your Byshoppe to be the vniuersall head of the churche of Christ when there is not one word therof in the holy scripture Yt is an intolerable tirāny the like whereof hath not bene herd to bynde the conscience of men to receyue so manyfest a lye for an article of their fayth seing it can not onely not be proued by goddes worde but also all the whole scripture is agaynst it You ought to be content to binde men to beleue that the Pope hathe the highest authorite of all But ye wyll further compel them to beleue that that power and authoritie cōmeth fullye and wholly from God and not from manne although that thyng can in no wyse be proued by scripture Furthermore he would haue it be beleued that it maye bee proued by holye scripture that oure Byshoppe was Pope when you your selues be forced to graunte that it can not bee proued by holy scripture y t Peter was euer at Rome Of thys chiefe and vniuersall byshoprike of your byshoppe ye can haue none other opinion but that it is a deuise of manne seing the contrary can not be proued by the worde of God And you wyll haue it receyued for an article of y e faith and that it shal be beleued with an heauenly faythe Yf ye bee not sure whether Peter were euer at Rome or not for the whiche cause ye chaleng your byshoppe to be chiefe and the successor of Peter how can ye haue certayne knowledge of thys your chiefe Byshoprike but vpon the saying of men onely who naturally be lyars To thys master Pseudologus made aunswere The men which sayd that Peter was at Rome were the

his successor and so shal we obteyne all our purpose The Pope Will ye attempt to bringe Peter nowe to Rome and he died so many yeres agone This thing me thinketh cannot be Mans iudge In case I shoulde reyse hym vp from deathe and bryng hym to Rome and so in conclusion make hym Byshop of this citie what woulde ye say The Pope Mary I woulde withstand it with tothe nayle Neither canst thou make him Bishop of thys citie but thou shalt bereue me of thys my dignitie Mans iudge Yf I shoulde make hym Byshop and yet robbe not you of youre honour but rather establishe you and make you his successor shoulde it not please you The Pope Yes wonderfully But I see not how that may be brought about Mans iudge I haue written certayne epistles in the name of those christian men whiche were at Rome in the time of the beginning of the church wherin there is oft mencion made of Peter as thoughe he had bene at Rome and not onely Byshop of thys citie but also Pope and vniuersall head of all the churche militant as though sundry constitucions had bene then by him made And bycause ye shall prayse my wit the more I wrot all thys gere in so wonderfull olde bokes that for age they coulde scarsly hange together There is no man that seeth them but they wil iudge they were written a thousand yeres agone or more Lette vs make the people beleue that these bokes be newly found by chaunce in some olde rotten library and so when thys rumor shal once be blowen abrode the common people will strayght beleue that Peter was at Rome If ther were none other cause yet that he came for religions sake on pilgremage to saynctes reliques and to receyue the iubilie and ful pardō The Pope Yet is not all thys ynough For be it that he were at Rome that not with standinge he departed after he had receyued the iubilye and toke his Popeship away with hym and so shall we no longer be his successors Therfore is it nedefull that as ye haue brought hym to Rome and haue made him Pope so ye cause hym also to dye at Rome Mans iudge Abyde a whyle thys is the thing I went about I haue done this thing already And for a confirmacion of the whole matter I gat me an olde scul bone of a dead carcas into y e which I dyd put a paper whiche had these wordes contayned in it Thys is the head of Saynct Peter the firste Pope of Rome Moreouer I haue compassed this head about with an other head of siluer and haue so framed it with a great bearde that it appeareth verely to be Saynct Peters head And I doubt not but that thys fayned matter maye be easly persuaded to the people yf it be published abrode by your authoritie The Pop● We must of necessitie graunt that Peter was crucified vpon a crosse for so dyd Christ prophecie of hym nowe it is well knowen that it was the vse of the Iewes and not of the Romans to hange menne vpon the crosse Wherfore I see not howe the people wyll beleue that Peter was kylled at Rome and put vpon the crosse by the Romans Mans iudge Tushe men will not be so curious in other mens matters to searche euery poynt of them so narowely And agayne we shall haue a sure staffe to leane to wherunto we may alwayes resorte We wil say that god wold haue it so that Christes wordes mought bee fulfillyd Who can proue the contrary Besydes this I haue many remedies meanes how to preserue increase and establishe you in thys highe honour as ye shal see by experience neither will I let any good occasion ouerslyp that may be to your furtheraūce Be it that there come Embassadours to the citie of Rome I alone wyll aunswere them all as they ought to be aunswered In the meane space shall you begyn a litle and litle to publishe abrode that it is Christ who hath made you Pope and that ye be the successor of Peter the high Bishop of Rome The Pope But what will then the Emperour say when he shall perceyue that we noyse it abrode that it was Christe and not he whiche made me Pope Mans iudge Our aunswere shal bee that ye were declared and confirmed the chiefe Bishoppe by themperours maiestie but yet that it was Christ who hath placed you in so highe a seat euen as he did youre predecessors before you But loe one whom ye sawe not a gentle man called the people of Rome I thinke he cōmeth to see you and to do hys dewtie I praye you offer hym youre fote to kysse that ye maye so begyn to bring that thyng into a laudable custome The people And euen for the same very purpose haue I caused a redde crosse to be made on the ouer parte of my fote Mans iudge Althoughe many thinke that to be done of you in despite of the crosse yet is it iustly and well done to sette the crosse in the lowest place yea and Christ hymselfe also that your glory may be auaunced to a most hyghe state Namely for that we know the crosse of Christe alwaye to be hated of the wyse men of thys worlde And to saye the truethe it had ben more mete for you to haue caused the crosse to be set vnder the sole of your fote if it had not bene paynfull for you to lyft vp youre fote so oft to all suche as woulde kysse it But I wyll withdrawe my selfe for a tyme that you maye comon alone at your pleasure with thys sonne of yours The people of Oh happie and blissed am I sence I haue thus muche fauoure shewed me that I maye be suffered to come and kysse these holye and blyssed feete The pope In consideracion that thys benefit maye be the more estemed we graūt to you out of the treasure of Peter Paule and other holy Apostles and Saynctes fortie tymes fortie dayes of pardon The people A goodly rewarde and we thanke you highly we thanke you I say as speakyng to many whiche be most holy and most blissed Popes The Pope What meanest thou by that That thou didest call vs most blissed and most holy Popes in the plurall numbre thinkest thou that we be many Popes Seest thou not vs onely placed in this dignitie The people Pardon thou me I beseche the moste holy and blissed father When I herde the speake in the plurell numbre I thoughte that there had bene two Popes at the least The Pope Doest not thou perceyue thy selfe to speake vnreuerentlye thou sayest pardon thou me vnderstandest thou not that thou shouldest of nurtor and dewe reuerence speake to vs in the plurell numbre And that because he worketh continually in vs who first auaūced vs to this high dignitie for we be not alone in working Otherwise whē thou shouldest speake by name to vs thou oughtest to speake in the singular number and that because oure parson and dignitie is

stronge reasons interruptyng his tale past all good maners as a mad man in hys fury cryed out with loud voyce and sayed Ye of the East churches bee full of sectes and heresies And therfore haue you of all other most nede of a supreme visible head in yearth by whose authoritie wisdom ye may be gouerned by whom the cōtenciōs that arise amongest you for sundrye interpretacions of scripture maye be pacified y e thīg being declared opened by the censure and iudgemente of the chiefe Byshoppe by the whiche meanes ye myghte knowe the trueth and remayne firme and stable in the trewe fayth quietly For thys cause shoulde you chiefely desire thys supreme head and gouernoure who nowe labour to hynder y e thyng for lacke of knowlage of y e profit that shall enshewe And therfore can I not stey my selfe but must a litle passe the bondes of pacience and speake my mind frely Yf the whole matter were put to me I know what I had to doe I say no more To these wordes thimbassador aunswered quietlye Master Falsidicus ye say yf the whole matter were put to you ye knowe what ye had to doe Bycause these wordes maye bee taken diuerslye seinge you expoūde them not your selfe there is none of vs that can well tel what ye meane by thē some may peraduenture gesse but none cā haue any certain assuraūce So that you onelye knowe what is ment by them euen as Paule wrote What manne is he liuinge that knoweth the inward partes thinwarde thoughtes desiers and craftes of man excepte it bee the spirit of man that dwelleth within him Euē so because men see not thinwarde thoughtes of menne they vnderstande not to what ende theyr wordes tende therefore is it no meruayle yf they atteyne not the perfect knoweledge of those thinges that be spoken namely when the wordes be douteful and ambigouse Therfore with what face dareth the byshop of Rome beinge a mortall manne chalenge vnto him authoritie and iudgement to expounde the worde of God as it shall please hym and to force menne to folowe his exposicion be it ryght or wronge Yt was the holye ghoste and not Peter that opened the mindes of thapostles whereby they myght vnderstande the holy scriptures and he taught them all his whole wyll as Christ promysed before and as Esay did wryte they were taught of god and the lawe of god was prynted in theyr stomakes and written in theyr hartes frō aboue as Hieremie prophecied longe before Iohn shadowed thesame thinge sayinge Ye haue no nede of any mannes helpe whereby to learne for thanoyntinge it selfe that is to saye the holy goste shall teach you all truethe The holy goste is the trewest teacher of al other and one that performeth his promes most haboundantly He is no lyar as men be that breake theyr faythe and promes it is he onely that canne declare the trew sence of the holy scripture it is he only that can open the myndes of menne that canne teach strengthen and stablyshe vs in all trueth and not the bishops of Rome And if you would say that the pope being lightened by the holy goost geueth light to vs I will aunswere fyrst The Pope is not alone lightened with the light of the holy gost For y e holy gost inspireth where as it pleaseth him and destributeth his giftes amongest men to euery one as hys will is Wherefore mens consciences must not bee bounden and tyed to beleue and thinke that the pope only hath the holy gost that the pope only can not erre that the pope onely is aboue the worde of god that the pope only must be the interpreter the declarer and ruler of holy scripture and that all we muste in all pointes obeye the popes iudgement Because that this is ones suer that visible thynges canne bringe no inwarde lyghte nor confirme menne in theyr faythe and quiet and pacify theyr consciences but the holy goost only canne performe al these thinges plentifully What nedeth many wordes he is very Antichriste whiche boasteth himself that he canne geue light to the mind either by an inwarde lyght or by some other meanes then by thexpresse worde of God as the minister of the worde by good example of lyfe and continuall prayer Yf all we should stande or fall by the iudgement of the pope why is there so much labor spent in gatheringe together of counselles Why spende we our lyues with so muche paine in study for knowledge in turninge our bokes yf we shall leane to the onely worde of the pope Then in the name of god let vs be short let vs come to the pope heare his word as it wer an Oracle and let vs worship him as a god But Paule the Apostle teacheth farre after another sorte when he commaundeth two or thre to speake in the churche in order one after another and the rest diligentlye to waye the iudgementes of them that speake And so the iudgement of Ecclesiasticall matters muste be sought for at the church it selfe and not at the pope of Rome And further Paule willeth in especiall wordes that when one of the members of the churche speaketh the truethe bee reueled to another that sitteth by hym that spake fyrste to holde hys peace thoughe he were Pope and gyue eare vnto the latter vnto whome the truethe is disclosed thoughe he bee one of the basest sorte and vnlerned For many tymes god hydeth the secretes of his wisdome from the prudent and wyse of thys worlde and openeth thesame to lytle ones And in another place he maketh Peter equall with the reste sayinge All thinges be yours whether it be Paule or Apollo or Peter as thoughe he shoulde saye let none bee youre superiors besides Christe and hys worde for Peter and Paule bee youre ministers Yea and Peter in the fyrst councell of the Apostles harkened to other declarynge hys owne iudgement in that poynt and geuynge authorytye to the churche to doe what they shoulde thinke good and willinglye and gladlye to obeye the iudgement which the whole congregacion approueth to be perfecte and suer And althoughe Christ sayed I haue prayed for thee Peter that thy faythe should not fayle yet foloweth it not therefore that Peter coulde not erre For he erred after that tyme sundrye tymes and namely whē he expresselye denyed Christe the sonne of God But when Christe perceyued Peters temerous boldnes y ● shortly after he would shamefully denye him to arme and strengthen hym agaynste the temptacion which shoulde insewe lest the greatnes of the fault myght hurle hym downe into desperacion he sayed vnto them Satan goeth about to sift you like chaffe and to vndoe and destroye you Yea you had bene all ready vtterly lost yf I had not praied for you and for the especially Peter by name that thy faythe should not fayle beecause thou wylt fall foulier then the rest and I knowe that God hathe herd my

he hath brokē the power both of the other hornes and also of the empire of Rome and hath preuayled agaynst the godlye The same thyng Paule the Apostle confirmeth sayinge before Antichrist be reueled and apeare very stronge there muste be a departinge or goinge awaye that is to saye the people must fall awaye or departe from thobedience of the Empier of Rome as al holy men take it wherfore of necessitie it must be graūted that he must haue his seate at Rome for he shal succede the Emperour of Rome Moreouer Iohn in hys Apocalipse setting forthe the churche of Rome vnto vs to bee not the spouse of Christ but of Antichrist sayth that he saw a certaine whore the mother of all vncleannes abhomynation of all the worlde gorgeousely arayed with golde and stone holdinge a cuppe of gold in her hand with whose migled liquour al the dwellers of the earthe shoulde bee made dronke from the highest to the loweste And further thys whore shal be made dronke with the blude of Sainctes of the martyrs of Christ. And vpon her forehed she had wrytten Babilonia And leste any man shoulde doubt whether Iohn spake of Rome or not he sayeth playnely that the whore sat vpon seuen hilles which thinge is wel knowen to be agreable to Rome wherupon it is called the citie of seuen hilles Wherefore hys seat must be at Rome Whiche thynge is euident bothe by holy scripture and also by Hierome in an epistle that he wrot to Fabiola agaynste Ioninian to Marcella to Algasia in the .47 Chapter of hys commentaryes vpon Esay and in the second Chap. vpon Osee. Thesame thinge is confirmed by thauthoritie of Tertulian wryting against the Iewes and the gentiles in a boke of the resurrec●ion of the body And of S. Augustine also in hys bokes de ciuitate Dei In thesame opiniō also is Nicholaus de Lyra vpō Daniell many other besides And if we wil way Paules wordes diligently we shall also knowe the tyme wherin Antichrist muste be disclosed to the worlde For wryting to the Thessalonians that thought Christ should shortlye come to iudgement and mindynge to brynge them out of that opinion sayeth that there shall a departinge come before the daie of iudgement That is to saye that men must fal from the Empier of Rome as Hierom Anselme Theophilact Bede Dionise almoste all the rest of the interpreters take it Trewe it is that Paule spake thys thynge darkely leste he should offende mens myndes Therefore then sayth Paule that great wycked bodye shall shewe forthe him selfe Yea and he shall not onely succede especially at Rome in hys owne strength but also as Daniell writeth he shall destroye and bringe to nothynge the reste of the hornes and strength of the Empier of Rome So that we nowe see playnely enough that the people hathe not only shronke from the obedience of the Emperoure of Rome but also that themperours haue had no dominion in Rome more thē this seuen hundreth yere The byshoppes haue occupied the place in the stead of the Emperours by the which byshoppes chefelye themperoures power hathe bene minished Wherefore we muste graunt that they bee ryght antichriste Besides this Christe himselfe hath expressed and paynted forthe Antichriste and al his qualities in holye scriptures with so lyuely colours that who so seeth the pope hath neuer so litle light of knowledge and seeth his properties can not chose but he muste also knowe that he is very Antichriste And to speake sumwhat of hym generally Euen as Christe is the heade of all hys electes so shall Antichriste be the head of al them that be reiected of god whiche bee falsely named Christians As in Christe all thresours of knowledge and wisedome of god be hidden So in antichrist shal be hidden with a couer of hipocrisie al mischefes craftes and deceites giles and falsnes whiche be in the great deuell of hel himself And moreouer as the holy gost is geuē to Christ and powred into hym without measure and not hēmed in with any boundes or limites and as Christe is full of grace and truethe yea in hym dwelleth all fulnes of perfecte vertue and perfection So there dwelleth in Antichriste all vices wickednes abhominations deceytes and lyes without all measure So that as Christe is the very trewe and lyuelye ymage of God so shall Antichriste bee the very trew and lyuely ymage of the deuell Wherefore Esaye calleth hym the wycked one Dauyd also wryteth hym to bee the heade of all wyckednes Danyell and Christe hymselfe call hym abhomynacyon it self Paule calleth hym the wycked manne the childe of perdition not onelye because he shal bee loste hymselfe but because he shall also destroye all them that shall folowe hys steppes and doctryne And also Saincte Iohn called hym Antichrist that is to saye a contrary enemye and a repugninge aduersarye to Christe and beecause he especyallye aboue all other creatures shall shewe hym selfe to bee an enemy and an aduersarye to Christe therefore in that hys excedynge contraryousnes agaynste Christe he is called Antichriste Nowe as Christ was conceaued of the holy gooste and borne of the vyrgyne Marye So shall antichriste be conceaued of the spirite of the deuil borne of Simony ambition which shal be in the mindes of thē y t shal declare him pope Then shal y e pope be created of y e most corrupt infected congregation of people that is whom they cal Cardinalles who as thoughe they were the very pillers of mischiefe shal sustayne al the worlde and all the wickednes therof vpon their shoulders They saye thys order was created of god when he sayed The pyllers of the earth be of the Lorde and vpon them he layed the foundacion of the worlde hereby it is easie to bee sene whether they vnderstande rightly the holy scriptures or els wryth thē violently to their croked purpose Who so shall reade their histories and will diligently consider by what craft hipocrisie dissimulacion fayre promises gyftes deceyt and prodicion and suche lyke wicked meanes they haue achiued to thys Popeshyp whiche they so muche desired he shal easely peceaue of what spirite they were both conceyued and begotten Yea they haue gyuen themselues wholye to the deuill so y t they might once come to the Popeshyp As it is playnely written of Siluester the seconde He that could see by what spirite the Popeshyp was conceyued in the myndes of menne and appeared to the worlde shoulde soone knowe whether it be a thynge of God or of manne or of the the deuyl Foure hundreth and foure score yeres after the birth of Christ that litle horne of Daniel that is to say the Byshoppe of Rome had but litle strength and power of manne because they had none authoritie but onely in their owne dioceses as other Bishoppes haue But a bout the yere of our Lorde .480 Odoacer reigninge in Rome